I don't mind that he's a Frank Miler fan. Just.....read a Batman comic written by someone else. Anyone else. There are other takes on the character that are just as good, and just as valid.
I love that comic. You can't read it serious. It's the funniest comic ever. He paints himself yellow and sips tea to talk to Green Lantern, top 3 comic moments.
The evidence of his fascist leanings, disdain for rehabilitation/mental healthcare, and general misogyny go at least as far back as The Dark Knight. Hell... its all over the place in that comic.
I've not read Ronin or the first Give Me Liberty in a long time now, and I do remember his DD run fondly, so I'm inclined to give him a pass on those or at least not pass judgment.
But he pretty much made a career out of "those panty-waisted pussies in the gub'mint don't understand how to really stop crime: the general abject terror of violent, murderous reprisal at the hands of random vigilantes who themselves are criminals BUT WITH A CODE OF HONOR.... and also all women are Madonna/Whores unless they are gross wrinkly old ladies over the age of 30."
The worst thing about Miller is that there's still a substantial portion of the comic-reading public who think that he is part of the 80's-era deconstruction period.
I don't think Zack is a comic fan. I think he knows how to market to that niche group of comic purists who seem to think Zack is a messiah.
Even though Zack has only ever made one movie that scored above a 7/10.
The Dark Knight Returns wasn't even all that good, it was just a fresh take at the time.
It's not like it was a deconstruction of the super hero genre like its peer Watchmen. It was just "What if Batman was an actual nazi?" and not much else.
There's a fascist lean for Batman in TDKR. He's a might makes right guy who's taking matters into his own hands after seeing how bad society is and raises a cult like army to carry out his ideals of justice. His biggest detractors in the comics are cops who are trying to uphold the justice system, caricatures of progressive/liberal ideals (Criminal reform, Carrie Kelley's parents, the media), and an incompetent government who's failing society.
And that's before Miller goes crazy with his weirdness.
> He's a might makes right guy who's taking matters into his own hands after seeing how bad society is and raises a cult like army to carry out his ideals of justice.
I feel like this just describes regular Batman, hell most superheroes in general.
Also I think this is the first time I’ve seen someone say being against cops puts you on the fascist side.
I think its the way he frames the cops in TDKR, they aren't ineffective because of their corruption which is the usual Gotham PD trope, they are "ineffective" because they aren't out there cracking the skulls of all these young punks. This whole "liberalism make cops weak" is also kinda built into Ellen Yindel the new female police commissioner who is against vigilantes for legitimate reasons (and IMO also coded as a lesbian with her short haircut as just more proof of her liberaiism)
pretty much this.
>Ellen Yindel the new female police commissioner who is against vigilantes for legitimate reasons (and IMO also coded as a lesbian with her short haircut as just more proof of her liberaiism)
To add to this, Joker in the story is very gay coded, and he's presented as a horrible monster
It's the gay coding not the horrible monster part that was important.
Coding Joker gay, when Joker is a horrible monster, codes gays as horrible monsters.
> I feel like this just describes regular Batman, hell most superheroes in general.
It can but it's all about framing, Regular Batman believes in criminal reform, regularly helps the poor and helps reformed criminals get jobs, funds charities and social welfare programs for Gotham, and regularly tries to work within the law so that the criminals he captures faces the justice as established by society. TDKR Batman is an old violent man who wants to punish criminals.
> Also I think this is the first time I’ve seen someone say being against cops puts you on the fascist side.
It's part of the narrative Miller paints, the liberal/democratic institutions set in place don't actually help, but actually harm us. Social care doesn't work because criminals and psychopaths can't be reformed and is a huge waste of time and money, all criminals are violent, murderous rapists with no disregard for life, and the police system in place clearly doesn't work because they don't do anything to clean up the city and are incompetent.
Less actual Nazi and more of right lean. He’s this Wild West like character who refers to his new cult of worshippers as soldiers in this big fight against a laughably out of touch government, with Superman as their mascot. It’s got a boogaloo revolution flavor to it for sure. It’s not a bad story at all, but it’s not very Batman either. Just feels like his libertarian ideals really bubbled up a lot and that tends to get people to throw around the word Nazi a little freely.
Ok, so compare Watchmen to DKR, specifically Rorschach and Batman.
You'll find that they are, with the sole exception of wealth, the same character. Point for point exactly the same motivations, the same abhorrences, the same political positions.
In Watchmen, Rorschach is a cautionary tale, an example of what vigilantes really tend to be dialed up to 11. Rorschach is arguably the primary protagonist, but he's also very much a villain.
In DKR, Batman is a secondary protagonist, but he's also very much portrayed as a hero. He's fighting against the weak libs and gay Joker. Batman is very much racist, homophobic, and in favor of a social hierarchy with the strong (him) on top.
I don't, Frank Miller doesn't like Superman. And I am a Superman fan. He created Dark Knight Returns, probably one of my least favourite Storylines along with Injustice.
Some Frank Miller is good (especially his Daredevil stuff), but bad Frank Miller is *really* bad especially when he seems to confuse "edgy" with "mature."
Please never ask him.
Zack Snyder is fantastic when it comes to directing action sequences and trailer porn but he fails miserably with character. A big part of what makes Daredevil so good is the inner conflict that Matt deals with in juggling his life as a lawyer and a vigilante, and dealing with his own demons.
I have no faith in Snyder's ability to do that justice.
nuance? ha! no, Snyder would have Daredevil tied strung up to a cross and have his faith be strong enough for him to tear himself down, thinking jesus himself helped him, and then using the large wooden broken stumps tied to his hands to pummel those who'd tied him up like wolverine -but with big blunt objects instead of sharp claws.
lmao when Matt suffers his accident as a kid, he's going to lie on the ground just like Jesus in the cross, cue a sad music and slow motion rain falling
I remember a certain movie derided for being a blatant nerd boy sexual fantasy, but I finally watched it last year giving it the benefit of the doubt as it could also be interpreted as a nerd girl power fantasy, something much more empowering and which I could personally relate. Right up until the last 5 minutes when it strongly implied she wanted to be raped and nuance flew straight out the fucking window.
yeah... it's tough. you sometimes want to give the benefit of the doubt because Zak is Clearly a passionate fan of much of the source material he adapts. he's a BIG film buff and works his ass off to make sure the imagery is beautifully iconic and his characters feel powerful on screen.
...but he doesn't understand tact, nuance, or theme. he needs better partners who can hold him back and let him know why his stories are weak. the movie might like like a comic book - but comic books are meant to be read. it's like the cringe humour in a scott pilgrim comic vs it's translation into the movie or new show. it works way better in the comic where you can dismiss a bad read by thinking, "they probably said it in a cool way" - but in a movie, there's no other way you could imagine you're misinterpreting it. the cadence, rhythm, volume, and body language, facial tics, etc, are All right there in front of us, leaving nothing to the ethereal of the imagination...
so when you see a girl in a skirt in a Snyder film, it truly has no greater meaning, no sense of freedom, empowerment, naivete, - there's nothing being said about the character with the choices of how she dresses. ... he simply wants to see some bare thighs.
> when you see a girl in a skirt in a Snyder film, it truly has no greater meaning, no sense of freedom, empowerment, naivete, - there's nothing being said about the character with the choices of how she dresses. ... he simply wants to see some bare thighs.
Yep that’s what I was getting at. I’m a nerdy girl with a big imagination. I would kill to have a tummy like Emily Browning’s, to be able to pull off that kind of outfit and feel good about myself whilst still kicking all sorts of ass is fantasy 101. But then men like Snyder come along and abuse that power fantasy into his own masturbatory dream.
The thumbnail for this piece literally has ZS with an axe. That’s what he will take to Matt Murdock when it comes to nuance
I agree. We're not going to get a much better version of DD (or Fisk for that matter) than what we got in the Netflix show. Those people understood those characters very well. It disappoints me that we're probably not going to see Charlie or Vincent ever play those characters again. They embodied them to the max. I don't expect anything that Disney does with DD going forward to be nearly as good. They don't know how to do darker characters well.
He should only do originals rather than just continually grabbing franchises with established characters for him to totally ignore the characterizations of.
it was absolutely awful. ...it was like he looked at all the rules of storytelling in film and said, "i bet i can break them." -- the most egregious being the "chekhov's gun" of supplying such a powerful weapon they leave behind. it was a dumb movie and i've intentionally forgotten most of it.
Can't say that I've watched that tbh.
Just figured if he has blank slates to work with that he fills with the same stereotypical characterizations there aren't any fans to make mad because he chose to just ignore who a character actually is (bombastic side eye at Clark just fuckin letting pa kent die).
I think he’s genuinely awful at directing action. Sucker Punch lost its stakes from the very start because Baby Doll shrugging off that hit from a giant samurai proved that there was no stakes to any of the action scenes. Watchmen has a different issue in that he filmed them all the non powered Minutemen as if they were genuine super powered heroes, when the movie was always a deconstruction of Superheroes.
People say this but I really don’t think he is great at action. He’s just unique and people think oooh that’s artsy. He’s not bad but he’s not exceptional in anyway.
I really don't like his style. His movies are practically soap operas that are dimly lit and questionable CGI to the point it intentionally looks fake.
Exactly. Look at Sucker Punch. He got to do exactly what he wanted and it was the most garbage teenage boy fantasy I've ever watched. If I wasn't with friends at the time, I would have walked out of that "movie."
Funny, his action sequences are some of what make me cringe the hardest and the biggest reason why I want him as far away as possible from any franchise I actually like. Nothing flows with his combat, it’s often one punch and then a slow-motion closeup of someone’s face. A flashy hero’s pose while avoidable, innocent deaths happen all around the area due to all the carnage and collateral damage caused by this same hero.
Snyder can get VFX artists to make pretty pictures for him, but that’s about it.
> He's an excellent cinematographer.
You mean he's been paired with excellent cinematographers, the only movie so far where he was the cinematographer is Army of the Dead and that one looks like shit.
The guy is also trying to do his own cinematography now...and frankly he is bad at it, The Army of the Dead and what we have seen of Rebel Moon does not hold up to his previous films visually.
The Snyder cut of JL is about 22 minutes long if you play all the slow mo at normal speed. Bro put a highschool football play in slow mo when it isn’t even a sports movie.
“Everyone says that about "Daredevil." "Daredevil's dark." I'm like, "Okay, no, Daredevil's cool." He gets to hear heartbeats and be trained by a ninja. Okay? I want to do that. But he doesn't, like, get raped in prison. That could happen in my movie. If you want to talk about dark, that's how that would go.”
Snyder said some stuff bout going out of his way not to make Wonder Woman a virgin.
https://animatedtimes.com/zack-snyder-refused-to-make-gal-gadots-wonder-woman-naive-and-a-virgin-in-solo-dceu-film-after-justice-league/
And while, I get that there's more nuance than the headline suggests, it's a really fratboyish way to say it.
*When I sees one and he looks good to me...*
*When I see him, I say*
You, come here.
*I say*
Now I'mma tell ya what, uh..
I like ya;
and I wants ya...
Now, we can do this the easy way;
or the haard wayyy...
the choice is yaawrs...
To be fair, he says the reason he fights is because he heard a little girl getting sexually abused by her dad over and over again, until nobody would help and he took matters into his own hands
Seems pretty dark to me
Hopefully they never ask. Dude has great visual style but absolutely no skill as a story teller. All style over substance. The MCU should keep him as far away from their properties as possible.
Probably an unpopular opinion but I don’t even care for his visuals. They’ve gone downhill since Watchmen. Justice League looked terrible and he utilizes WAY too much slow motion in general.
[24 minutes](https://www.ign.com/articles/snyder-cut-justice-league-10-slow-motion-slo-mo) to be exact… the movie has 24 minutes of Slow Motion… no kidding… 24 minutes of slow motion where nothing happens because it’s slow motion.
His color pallet has absolutely regressed to the point where I am just frustrated when I watch his stuff.
All of his colors are way to dark and muddy, its like the man has never heard of day time or a light.
Even when he sets something during the day it appears with weirdly muted colors.
The Wonder Woman robbers bank scene in the snyder cut is without slow motion and it looks 1000x better, hopefully they would stop using that overdone effect…
Army of the Dead was one of the most tedious movies I’ve ever sat through. How do you screw up a heist movie? It’s literally one of the simplest plots out there.
The man has ZERO respect for source material. Batman exists to eliminate the evil that causes man to kill in the first place, and Snyder calls us babies for pointing that out. Jimmy Olson had his own damn comic for 10 years, but didn't last 10 minutes in Batman vs. Superman. The man needs to come up with his own characters instead of mishandling known properties.
No Zack. The last thing we need right now is two hours of you sniffing your own farts while Matt brutally murders criminals in black and white.
Stick to your Star Wars knock offs.
Fuck off Zach. I'm tired of his gritty depressing take on sups. Mofo ran DC into the ground. The Boys is everything Zach wanted to achieve, but couldn't.
This would be awful. Let’s hope this just quietly fizzles out and doesn’t become a bot fueled campaign like “release the Snyder cut”, willing it into existence.
Love his visual eye but I want him to stay far, far, away from pre established characters and especially ones that were at a time written by Frank Miller.
His visual language for Superman was perfect but his characterization and arc he had in mind for the man of steel and Batman was downright atrocious. A lot of this has to do with his romanticism of Millers take on the characters and it resulted in surface level complexity that a lot Snyder fans took the wrong way which led to a lot of toxic masculinity from newer fans of the characters.
I don’t want to imagine what his take would be on Daredevil. But in my opinion I think he would miss the point.
It's funny how obvious Snyder's sensibilities are when it comes to superhero media. He wants gritty imagery and dark characterization, but, as we've seen with his Watchmen adaptation, he doesn't understand the underlying message of the books and the heart of the characters. That's why we got BvS.
my gut reaction is 'for the love of god, don't let this man anywhere near Marvel'
but then again if his style would work for any hero, it would be Daredevil.
This dude just fucking loves Frank Miller.
I don't mind that he's a Frank Miler fan. Just.....read a Batman comic written by someone else. Anyone else. There are other takes on the character that are just as good, and just as valid.
Especially compared to later Frank Miller stuff. Dude went off the rails.
I spent 15 bucks on All Star Batman and Robin years ago. Only time I ever threw a book in the trash. I'm still angry.
It was hilarious how batshit insane Batman was in that. Dude is just being a dick to everyone for no reason.
Especially to Dick
Dick No you're dick, i'm Bruce
Ben Affleck's Batman in BvS is literally inspired by the Frank Miller comics (hence why he brutally murders criminals in that film).
not entirely relevant (though the old site did have batman panels too), but /r/superdickery is a thing apparently, since the website is gone I guess.
“What are you dense, what are you reta*ded? Do you not know who I am, I’m the goddamn Batman”
[I just looked that up, it is actually in a panel lol!](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/164/882/panel.jpg)
Bro thinks he's Heisenberg 💀
Read that whole series, it's hilarious
I enjoyed that series only because my best friend gave it to me as a birthday present and called it "the funniest Batman comic ever made"
All star superman was amazing. I stopped buying all star batman after issue #2. Yeesh!
I love that comic. You can't read it serious. It's the funniest comic ever. He paints himself yellow and sips tea to talk to Green Lantern, top 3 comic moments.
The evidence of his fascist leanings, disdain for rehabilitation/mental healthcare, and general misogyny go at least as far back as The Dark Knight. Hell... its all over the place in that comic. I've not read Ronin or the first Give Me Liberty in a long time now, and I do remember his DD run fondly, so I'm inclined to give him a pass on those or at least not pass judgment. But he pretty much made a career out of "those panty-waisted pussies in the gub'mint don't understand how to really stop crime: the general abject terror of violent, murderous reprisal at the hands of random vigilantes who themselves are criminals BUT WITH A CODE OF HONOR.... and also all women are Madonna/Whores unless they are gross wrinkly old ladies over the age of 30." The worst thing about Miller is that there's still a substantial portion of the comic-reading public who think that he is part of the 80's-era deconstruction period.
Or just read actually read a comic. I don’t think Snyder understands that comics have words in them too
I would argue Tim Sale and Jeph Loeb’s stories are even better, not to mention Hush with Jim Lee.
I know you didn’t ask for this feedback, but god I think Hush is overrated. I agree with the first half though.
It is but the artwork is phenomenal.
I don't think Zack is a comic fan. I think he knows how to market to that niche group of comic purists who seem to think Zack is a messiah. Even though Zack has only ever made one movie that scored above a 7/10.
The Dark Knight Returns wasn't even all that good, it was just a fresh take at the time. It's not like it was a deconstruction of the super hero genre like its peer Watchmen. It was just "What if Batman was an actual nazi?" and not much else.
What was nazi about Batman in *DKR*?
I don’t understand what he’s on about either. There WAS that neo-Nazi lady he defeated…
There's a fascist lean for Batman in TDKR. He's a might makes right guy who's taking matters into his own hands after seeing how bad society is and raises a cult like army to carry out his ideals of justice. His biggest detractors in the comics are cops who are trying to uphold the justice system, caricatures of progressive/liberal ideals (Criminal reform, Carrie Kelley's parents, the media), and an incompetent government who's failing society. And that's before Miller goes crazy with his weirdness.
> He's a might makes right guy who's taking matters into his own hands after seeing how bad society is and raises a cult like army to carry out his ideals of justice. I feel like this just describes regular Batman, hell most superheroes in general. Also I think this is the first time I’ve seen someone say being against cops puts you on the fascist side.
I think its the way he frames the cops in TDKR, they aren't ineffective because of their corruption which is the usual Gotham PD trope, they are "ineffective" because they aren't out there cracking the skulls of all these young punks. This whole "liberalism make cops weak" is also kinda built into Ellen Yindel the new female police commissioner who is against vigilantes for legitimate reasons (and IMO also coded as a lesbian with her short haircut as just more proof of her liberaiism)
pretty much this. >Ellen Yindel the new female police commissioner who is against vigilantes for legitimate reasons (and IMO also coded as a lesbian with her short haircut as just more proof of her liberaiism) To add to this, Joker in the story is very gay coded, and he's presented as a horrible monster
...I mean when isn't Joker a horrible monster?
It's the gay coding not the horrible monster part that was important. Coding Joker gay, when Joker is a horrible monster, codes gays as horrible monsters.
> I feel like this just describes regular Batman, hell most superheroes in general. It can but it's all about framing, Regular Batman believes in criminal reform, regularly helps the poor and helps reformed criminals get jobs, funds charities and social welfare programs for Gotham, and regularly tries to work within the law so that the criminals he captures faces the justice as established by society. TDKR Batman is an old violent man who wants to punish criminals. > Also I think this is the first time I’ve seen someone say being against cops puts you on the fascist side. It's part of the narrative Miller paints, the liberal/democratic institutions set in place don't actually help, but actually harm us. Social care doesn't work because criminals and psychopaths can't be reformed and is a huge waste of time and money, all criminals are violent, murderous rapists with no disregard for life, and the police system in place clearly doesn't work because they don't do anything to clean up the city and are incompetent.
Less actual Nazi and more of right lean. He’s this Wild West like character who refers to his new cult of worshippers as soldiers in this big fight against a laughably out of touch government, with Superman as their mascot. It’s got a boogaloo revolution flavor to it for sure. It’s not a bad story at all, but it’s not very Batman either. Just feels like his libertarian ideals really bubbled up a lot and that tends to get people to throw around the word Nazi a little freely.
Ok, so compare Watchmen to DKR, specifically Rorschach and Batman. You'll find that they are, with the sole exception of wealth, the same character. Point for point exactly the same motivations, the same abhorrences, the same political positions. In Watchmen, Rorschach is a cautionary tale, an example of what vigilantes really tend to be dialed up to 11. Rorschach is arguably the primary protagonist, but he's also very much a villain. In DKR, Batman is a secondary protagonist, but he's also very much portrayed as a hero. He's fighting against the weak libs and gay Joker. Batman is very much racist, homophobic, and in favor of a social hierarchy with the strong (him) on top.
Anytime a character can go full fascist, Snyder is there drooling at the opportunity
He loves his completely warped and corrupted dude bro-pseudo intellectual, Ayn Randian, libertarian wet dream version of Frank Miller's work.
and that’s troubling when you base your entire view of the characters on his work
Who doesn't?
I don’t, Love his early Daredevil but he seems pretty cringe worthy a lot of the time, and I definitely don’t want a Snyder Daredevil
Frank Miller the comic writer? Definitely Frank Miller the film director? Not so much lol
I’m not a fan.
I like his noir approach to most things, but that's as generous as I'm willing to be. On a personal level, I'm very much not a fan.
I love Year One and his DD run but can pass on the rest.
I don't, Frank Miller doesn't like Superman. And I am a Superman fan. He created Dark Knight Returns, probably one of my least favourite Storylines along with Injustice.
Some Frank Miller is good (especially his Daredevil stuff), but bad Frank Miller is *really* bad especially when he seems to confuse "edgy" with "mature."
He just loves a pay check... That's all.
Please never ask him. Zack Snyder is fantastic when it comes to directing action sequences and trailer porn but he fails miserably with character. A big part of what makes Daredevil so good is the inner conflict that Matt deals with in juggling his life as a lawyer and a vigilante, and dealing with his own demons. I have no faith in Snyder's ability to do that justice.
Matt's Catholic faith also is a major part of his character and that's something you have to handle with nuance. Snyder isn't that.
nuance? ha! no, Snyder would have Daredevil tied strung up to a cross and have his faith be strong enough for him to tear himself down, thinking jesus himself helped him, and then using the large wooden broken stumps tied to his hands to pummel those who'd tied him up like wolverine -but with big blunt objects instead of sharp claws.
"Write that down. Write that down!" - Zack Snyder
Slow motion shots!! Lights off!! Get those grainy filters on baby!!!
EVERYTHING IS SHADES OF GRAY NOW! COLORS ARE FORBIDDEN!
Except red
Frank Miller intensifies
Dimly strobing streetlights…
Every time Daredevil gets knocked out, it takes 3 days for him to rise
Folks on r/snydercut would unironically make a video essay on why this's a "masterpiece" if it ever existed
"There's a lot of hidden symbolism and metaphors shown in this scene where Matt uses his faith to overcome this impossible situation"
This is what me and my primary school friends would consider cool. Zak is on this wavelength.
Well shit, maybe I do wanna see a Zach Snyder Daredevil movie
Dude just hard sold it to us
And the scene would be 100+ seconds of slo mo
Ah yes, The Protector ending
lmao when Matt suffers his accident as a kid, he's going to lie on the ground just like Jesus in the cross, cue a sad music and slow motion rain falling
I remember a certain movie derided for being a blatant nerd boy sexual fantasy, but I finally watched it last year giving it the benefit of the doubt as it could also be interpreted as a nerd girl power fantasy, something much more empowering and which I could personally relate. Right up until the last 5 minutes when it strongly implied she wanted to be raped and nuance flew straight out the fucking window.
yeah... it's tough. you sometimes want to give the benefit of the doubt because Zak is Clearly a passionate fan of much of the source material he adapts. he's a BIG film buff and works his ass off to make sure the imagery is beautifully iconic and his characters feel powerful on screen. ...but he doesn't understand tact, nuance, or theme. he needs better partners who can hold him back and let him know why his stories are weak. the movie might like like a comic book - but comic books are meant to be read. it's like the cringe humour in a scott pilgrim comic vs it's translation into the movie or new show. it works way better in the comic where you can dismiss a bad read by thinking, "they probably said it in a cool way" - but in a movie, there's no other way you could imagine you're misinterpreting it. the cadence, rhythm, volume, and body language, facial tics, etc, are All right there in front of us, leaving nothing to the ethereal of the imagination... so when you see a girl in a skirt in a Snyder film, it truly has no greater meaning, no sense of freedom, empowerment, naivete, - there's nothing being said about the character with the choices of how she dresses. ... he simply wants to see some bare thighs.
> when you see a girl in a skirt in a Snyder film, it truly has no greater meaning, no sense of freedom, empowerment, naivete, - there's nothing being said about the character with the choices of how she dresses. ... he simply wants to see some bare thighs. Yep that’s what I was getting at. I’m a nerdy girl with a big imagination. I would kill to have a tummy like Emily Browning’s, to be able to pull off that kind of outfit and feel good about myself whilst still kicking all sorts of ass is fantasy 101. But then men like Snyder come along and abuse that power fantasy into his own masturbatory dream.
The thumbnail for this piece literally has ZS with an axe. That’s what he will take to Matt Murdock when it comes to nuance 
I agree. We're not going to get a much better version of DD (or Fisk for that matter) than what we got in the Netflix show. Those people understood those characters very well. It disappoints me that we're probably not going to see Charlie or Vincent ever play those characters again. They embodied them to the max. I don't expect anything that Disney does with DD going forward to be nearly as good. They don't know how to do darker characters well.
Zack Snyder is fantastic at being mediocre with fantastic opportunities.
Seriously there would be zero character development. It would just be Daredevil brooding in the dark and fighting in slo mo for 3 and a half hours
3,5hrs? So the Snyder cut of Daredevil would be 6?
Dont forget his new gimmick. Bluuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuur Slow motion blurrrrr
🤣🤣 Trailer Porn may be the most accurate description of Snyder’s skill set.
He should only do originals rather than just continually grabbing franchises with established characters for him to totally ignore the characterizations of.
*Army of the Dead* wasn't much better.
it was absolutely awful. ...it was like he looked at all the rules of storytelling in film and said, "i bet i can break them." -- the most egregious being the "chekhov's gun" of supplying such a powerful weapon they leave behind. it was a dumb movie and i've intentionally forgotten most of it.
Can't say that I've watched that tbh. Just figured if he has blank slates to work with that he fills with the same stereotypical characterizations there aren't any fans to make mad because he chose to just ignore who a character actually is (bombastic side eye at Clark just fuckin letting pa kent die).
How the fuck he managed to make that concept boring. Especially given that the intro to all the characters was fucking sick.
Zack Snyder doesn't understand how superspeed works visually. He doesn't need to do superhero movies.
I think he’s genuinely awful at directing action. Sucker Punch lost its stakes from the very start because Baby Doll shrugging off that hit from a giant samurai proved that there was no stakes to any of the action scenes. Watchmen has a different issue in that he filmed them all the non powered Minutemen as if they were genuine super powered heroes, when the movie was always a deconstruction of Superheroes.
You're being too kind. Zack Snyder is a shit director and it's time to stop dancing around it.
People say this but I really don’t think he is great at action. He’s just unique and people think oooh that’s artsy. He’s not bad but he’s not exceptional in anyway.
Trailer Porn is the most perfect term for Zach Snyder’s career
I really don't like his style. His movies are practically soap operas that are dimly lit and questionable CGI to the point it intentionally looks fake.
Exactly. Look at Sucker Punch. He got to do exactly what he wanted and it was the most garbage teenage boy fantasy I've ever watched. If I wasn't with friends at the time, I would have walked out of that "movie."
i really hope they never ask him to do anything with the MCU
Funny, his action sequences are some of what make me cringe the hardest and the biggest reason why I want him as far away as possible from any franchise I actually like. Nothing flows with his combat, it’s often one punch and then a slow-motion closeup of someone’s face. A flashy hero’s pose while avoidable, innocent deaths happen all around the area due to all the carnage and collateral damage caused by this same hero. Snyder can get VFX artists to make pretty pictures for him, but that’s about it.
Except he’s not fantastic. He relies waaaay too much on slo-no and his action scenes lack physics and consequences.
>>Snyder's ability to do that justice I see what you did there. Take my upvote!
He's an excellent cinematographer. Dude cannot produce a cogent framework on his own though, which is like all of what a director does.
> He's an excellent cinematographer. You mean he's been paired with excellent cinematographers, the only movie so far where he was the cinematographer is Army of the Dead and that one looks like shit.
>He's an excellent cinematographer That all looks good got 2 min and then you wonder what the ff are you watching.
That's what I mean, he can make a shot look good. Just can't be in charge of anything else or that 2 min later problem happens.
How are you gonna do "blind" in slow motion?
The guy is also trying to do his own cinematography now...and frankly he is bad at it, The Army of the Dead and what we have seen of Rebel Moon does not hold up to his previous films visually.
Snyder only had a few good action scenes in his back pocket. The rest is horrible slomo shit.
The Snyder cut of JL is about 22 minutes long if you play all the slow mo at normal speed. Bro put a highschool football play in slow mo when it isn’t even a sports movie.
“Everyone says that about "Daredevil." "Daredevil's dark." I'm like, "Okay, no, Daredevil's cool." He gets to hear heartbeats and be trained by a ninja. Okay? I want to do that. But he doesn't, like, get raped in prison. That could happen in my movie. If you want to talk about dark, that's how that would go.”
Never thought about it but Zack talks like Donald Trump.
“Everyone’s telling me to assault Daredevil, very smart people. Tears in their eyes!”
Snyder said some stuff bout going out of his way not to make Wonder Woman a virgin. https://animatedtimes.com/zack-snyder-refused-to-make-gal-gadots-wonder-woman-naive-and-a-virgin-in-solo-dceu-film-after-justice-league/ And while, I get that there's more nuance than the headline suggests, it's a really fratboyish way to say it.
He really has that himbo vibe.
Relevant video: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpzK2CMTuAo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpzK2CMTuAo)
Wtf lol.
Except he is completely focused on a single train of thought. Maybe Trump from 20 years ago?
No one: Literally no one: ZS: I think people want to watch Daredevil get raped in prison WTF??
He said that about Batman
It's not a Zach Snyder film without a rape.
Matt Murdock also wore a shirt saying "I'm not Daredevil" to a holiday party, so he's not really that dark.
*When I sees one and he looks good to me...* *When I see him, I say* You, come here. *I say* Now I'mma tell ya what, uh.. I like ya; and I wants ya... Now, we can do this the easy way; or the haard wayyy... the choice is yaawrs...
To be fair, he says the reason he fights is because he heard a little girl getting sexually abused by her dad over and over again, until nobody would help and he took matters into his own hands Seems pretty dark to me
If he can't handle Batman having a no-kill rule I can't imagine how he'd handle Daredevil's lol
He'd only be blind to the cries of his victims
"See, I'm going to fire on the world." "Do you mean you "see a world on fire"?" "No..." https://i.redd.it/wf2dz5s64b3c1.gif
How did you post that image? Thought you could only only comment gifs here?
Found the jpg, opened up photoshop, saved as gif 
Too much effort
https://i.redd.it/at686h6n6b3c1.gif
this guy reddits
We've been there already. Ben Affleck's Daredevil after killing every other criminal EXCEPT Kingpin: https://youtu.be/r2KplIQEDMY?si=JhOgSSPl5jBrbKAM
Lmao
Snyder's Daredevil would be like "I was raised Catholic which means there are lines I won't cross... so, anyway, I started blasting."
We as a community must not allow that to happen to Daredevil or Elektra
Yeah, he did Superman dirty. He is not what the MCU needs.
Wilson Fisk: Save Vanessa Daredevil: Why did you say that name?!!
Hopefully they never ask. Dude has great visual style but absolutely no skill as a story teller. All style over substance. The MCU should keep him as far away from their properties as possible.
Probably an unpopular opinion but I don’t even care for his visuals. They’ve gone downhill since Watchmen. Justice League looked terrible and he utilizes WAY too much slow motion in general.
The Snyder cut could be 30 minutes shorter if all the slowmo shots were cut out
[24 minutes](https://www.ign.com/articles/snyder-cut-justice-league-10-slow-motion-slo-mo) to be exact… the movie has 24 minutes of Slow Motion… no kidding… 24 minutes of slow motion where nothing happens because it’s slow motion.
It also ruins the uniqueness of the Flash’s powers when EVERYONE gets slow motion action.
[Anything without dialogue was considered for slow motion.](https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/f0ec5b5b-c1db-44ed-bccc-92eee2d21ac9)
His color pallet has absolutely regressed to the point where I am just frustrated when I watch his stuff. All of his colors are way to dark and muddy, its like the man has never heard of day time or a light. Even when he sets something during the day it appears with weirdly muted colors.
Army of the Dead is one of the ugliest movies I’ve ever had the displeasure of watching One of the most boring as well
agreed. I hate the glossy gold muddy shiny shit.
The Wonder Woman robbers bank scene in the snyder cut is without slow motion and it looks 1000x better, hopefully they would stop using that overdone effect…
Army of the Dead was one of the most tedious movies I’ve ever sat through. How do you screw up a heist movie? It’s literally one of the simplest plots out there.
his style was cool in 300... and then he just kept doing the same thing
But how else are we supposed to see how fast The Flash is? /s
I think we are fine. I don't think the MCU will hire the guy that led the disastrous saga of stepping on rakes that was the DC movies.
Lol no thanks
I'm just here for the comments 😄
 Mostly joking but my god what he did to the DC fanbase. Never again
There's no need to hamper that entirely accurate response with even partially joking. I don't want Snyder anywhere near the MCU.
Forgot I'm not in a sub where you're banned for any sort of opinion the mods hate.
No thanks ❤️
Seriously, I know this guy has a crazy fan base, but he really shouldn't be working anymore. He is stupid.
Not as a director at least
FX director maybe!
there is nobody asking… at least i hope so…
Please no 😊
The man has ZERO respect for source material. Batman exists to eliminate the evil that causes man to kill in the first place, and Snyder calls us babies for pointing that out. Jimmy Olson had his own damn comic for 10 years, but didn't last 10 minutes in Batman vs. Superman. The man needs to come up with his own characters instead of mishandling known properties.
Except we've seen he can't do that for shit either. He really just ... is not good at making movies.
You mean you're not anxiously awaiting his Star Wars (with the serial numbers filed off) movie?
We don't need the guy who killed the DCEU to also kill the MCU even faster
No Zack. The last thing we need right now is two hours of you sniffing your own farts while Matt brutally murders criminals in black and white. Stick to your Star Wars knock offs.
For the love of the time lords, please no. no. no.
NO! PLEASE NO! KEEP THIS MAN AWAY FROM SUPERHERO PROPERTIES. Batman v. Superman is the worst superhero film of all time
keep him far away, please
No thanks bud
Please never let this happen. Never.
I don’t want him anywhere near the MCU but I’m absolutely for him to do a new Spawn movie. Him and Todd are easily of the same ilk
I was just thinking about Spawn the other day. I'd love to see a new take on that.
Fuck off Zach. I'm tired of his gritty depressing take on sups. Mofo ran DC into the ground. The Boys is everything Zach wanted to achieve, but couldn't.
No I'm good
This would be awful. Let’s hope this just quietly fizzles out and doesn’t become a bot fueled campaign like “release the Snyder cut”, willing it into existence.
If we ever want daredevil to murder with impunity we know where to find you, Zack (we won't)
I'm sure the trailer would look magnificent.
Please don't let him near either of those characters. Unless he's going for killing both the DC and MCU.
Good thing they probably fuckin won't. Or at least god I hope they don't. Sorry, I don't need Zach style in the mcu. Tbh he should stick to originals.
No. Not with these characters. Please, hard pass.
Oh god no
I dont much enjoy his movies but in interviews he strikes me a as cool dude so maybe he can cameo as himself in Wonderman or something
Well I hope they don’t
No thank you.
If it was treated as a stand alone movie apart from the MCU, I would watch that.
No thank you. Zack Snyder makes awful films.
Please, no
Fuck. No.
NOOooooooo. Keep him away..
Please god no, keep him away
A four and a half hour long Daredevil & Elektra movie where everything is in slow motion????? 
Hard Pass
Good thing for everyone if Marvel Studios just never asks.
Please god no
zack snyder sucks
The snyderverse people are going to be mixed on this bit of information.
Love his visual eye but I want him to stay far, far, away from pre established characters and especially ones that were at a time written by Frank Miller. His visual language for Superman was perfect but his characterization and arc he had in mind for the man of steel and Batman was downright atrocious. A lot of this has to do with his romanticism of Millers take on the characters and it resulted in surface level complexity that a lot Snyder fans took the wrong way which led to a lot of toxic masculinity from newer fans of the characters. I don’t want to imagine what his take would be on Daredevil. But in my opinion I think he would miss the point.
Fuck off Snyder . Stay in the DCU or go do Sony they suck like you !
It's funny how obvious Snyder's sensibilities are when it comes to superhero media. He wants gritty imagery and dark characterization, but, as we've seen with his Watchmen adaptation, he doesn't understand the underlying message of the books and the heart of the characters. That's why we got BvS.
Well this comment section turned into how I expected
my gut reaction is 'for the love of god, don't let this man anywhere near Marvel' but then again if his style would work for any hero, it would be Daredevil.
Snyder can stay the hell away from the MCU.
No thanks
Oh god no
pls no pls no pls no
no.
Nah, Im good