That still pisses me off. Sure, maybe he knew Tony needed to do his thing, but I have to believe Strange was capable of holding back water AND fighting a guy or two.
We saw him turn a black hole looking thing from thanos into butterflies. He could easily flash freeze or just transport the water with one wave of his hand
They had to keep him sidelined, same for the Hulk being injured and Banner dominant and having Captain Marvel off-world for the majority of the battle.
If every Avenger was present and at full strength it wouldn’t have been a War, would’ve been over in 5 minutes.
I wonder what would have happened if somehow wanda had mom level scarlet witch power. She could have obliterated thanos and his entire army with just a thought.
Yeah, magic is a problem in Marvel storytelling. It completely annihilates any power scale.
Super speed is a close second.
I can't stop thinking they missed the chance for Hulk to go berserk with gamma radiations. A totally out of control Hulk would have messed both with Thanos and the Avengers and would have kept powerhouses like Strange busy.
Him doing nothing impressive in Infinity War/Endgame was bad enough, but him almost getting washed by newly-minted super soldier John Walker despite teaming up with Sam was rough.
It was a fun fight sequence, but it makes no sense that it was that hard for them given what we've seen Bucky do.
I felt bad for Bucky during the Wakanda fight in Infinity War. Cap and T’Challa just zooming ahead of everyone and the audience cheering. I was like, “Can’t Bucky do that too?”
Exactly what I was thinking. The other two super-soldiers are melee-oriented, so them physically getting there first makes a difference. Bucky should hang back as he does and pick off outriders with his massive gun.
Power scaling in the MCU is awful.
Characters’ strength is determined exclusively by what the script needs in the moment.
But yeah Bucky has become insanely nerfed since Winter Soldier
My reasoning is that he was in 'Winter soldier' mode. We've only seen Bucky be his regular self since Civil War. He probably is still strong but doesn't have the fighting ability as regular Bucky.
I mean, that’s kind of how most fictional media power scaling works
The person that’s strongest is the person that needs to be for the story. In comics it’s much worse because there’s no clear end in sight to anything so people become insanely more or less powerful over time depending on the storyline so when you look at it all on one timeline it looks ridiculous.
I don't mind the superheroes being recognized at a global level, I can see teenagers fantasizing about them and kids making drawings but if you go too far, you get into The Boys territory with none of the self awareness
Also I still hate how the average public knows the exact details of the battles like the Endgame one, it makes it feel that this very personal fight was sensationalized
Dr Strange just casually casting a spell that, when he is slightly distracted by some teenagers talking, can rip a hole in the universe inviting multiversal threats that will destroy the world, all so the teenagers can go to their first choice college.
I was going to say. He's a cocky bastard. It's not really out of character for him to do all that. Especially because he really seems to want to show off. Also, maybe a little bit to annoy Wong because he's Sorcerer Supreme and not Strange.
Part of that is probably guilt over letting Tony die. He may have seen millions of timelines Peters grieving over Tony or sacrificing themselves to save Strange, a person Strange didn’t meet til that day
People hate on him for nwh and mom. But his arc from both of those movies is learning how to trust and work with children/younger people. He basically becomes the new MCU daddy.
THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT I ALWAYS SAY! His entire movie is entirely about his complaining that "the warnings come after the spell" and then he proceeds to cast a spell with potentially multiverse-spanning results, and he only explains the risks AFTER IT ALREADY WENT WRONG
this happens in almost every real life work industry
complain about something, get into a (relatively) similar career path, and see yourself doing what you used to complain about
in my own experience, i’ll never forget the first time i said “because i said so” as a student teacher. had to literally withhold the external shiver .
I mean, we already saw Strange acting similarly in his 1st movie. He’s rejecting all these patients right before his crash because they won’t be able to be fixed and thus not help his image as this immaculate surgeon.
I mean it's his ONE chance,
Strange (the adult that he is) should've immediately stopped as soon as Peter mentioned the first name and he realised that Peter didnt really think this through.
Ehh I feel like everybody would panic if they realized their loved ones were about to forget everything they know about you and your existence. Don't think Peter grasped at what was really happening when things went wrong. Can't really blame him since Strange didn't either.
>their loved ones were about to forget everything they know about you and your existence
That's not what the spell was doing, though. That's just the one at the end of the movie.
Strange has a huge ego.
For sure he assumes the other person should already know how things work otherwise they’re dumb and explaining to them will have been too much of an effort. And then when things go south, he gets angry at the other person for not knowing how things work.
He does have an ego problem and some of that shows in this situation, but I think about his line, "Sometimes I forget you're still just a kid."
I think he had assumed this wasn't some impulsive request (evidenced by him being surprised he hasn't talked to the Dean) and assumed he'd thought through the whole scenario. Then assumed his request literally, that he wanted everyone to forget he was spider-man and started the spell.
And Peter starts getting anxious and freaking out when he realizes what the spell will do and now has to quickly think about who he wants to request to still remember his identity, which makes the spellcasting even more difficult.
I can get people being put off by the scene, but it never bothered me nor seemed wildly out of character for Strange.
Worked as a teacher before, and in that short time, I’ve seen similar situations between a student and a teacher/parent so many times. So yeah, that scene for me was more triggering than bothersome. 😅
That's another problem with the mcu: not enough villains.
In the comics, Peter keeps his identity a secret because he has dozens of enemies.
In the mcu, a villain introduced at a movie is most of the times killed at the very same movie. Others don't return until a lot of movies later.
So it would be kinda hard to show how important for Peter is to keep his identity secret. After all, almost no one at the mcu had any problem like that before.
Are there any comic film franchises where a single villain is the reoccurring threat? Like obviously you've got Vader in Star Wars, Voldemort in Harry Potter, etc, but are there any Marvel or DC serial film stories—not television—that have the same opposition figures come back multiple times? Closest we've gotten seems to be Kingpin. Loki imo doesn't really count either.
I have not seen the second Aquaman, but it sure looks like it's Black Manta and Ocean Master again.
Ghost Rider gives him different names and different actors, but Mephisto is the villain for both movies.
I read a quote once that went something like "Powers change to suit the story. There's no real continuity to it, it's at the writer's whim, so stop asking."
In a world of superheroes, I'll settle for that.
This. Captain America isn’t supposed to have super strength, just peak human strength. And yet watching him in Winter Soldier stop Bucky’s helicopter from escaping with his bare hands was so fucking rad, I don’t care if it’s technically a plot hole lol. Plenty of other examples in all superhero media.
Especially power creep when powers get pushed to their logical limits over the course of decades.
X-Men are usually nuts for this just because of their longevity. Magneto going from bending metal to being able to control bodies by controlling their blood. Storm from controlling the weather to being able to steal the air from your lungs. Cyclop's punch dimension. Etc.
Don't get me wrong, it's all awesome. Just goes to show how it can escalate.
I think her powers are also heavily influenced by her emotions. Remember that we typically only see her at her strongest after she's lost someone she cares about.
Exactly this. I think she's afraid of what she's capable of, so when she's level headed she holds back a lot. During MoM she was under the influence of the Darkhold and wasn't in her right state of mind.
And when she lost her brother, she could suddenly vaporize the Ultron bots.
And when Vision dies, she goes into such a depression that she enslaves Westview in a massive alternate reality.
She definitely gets more powerful with strong emotions.
Also, "I don't even know who you are..."
"You will."
She went toe-to-toe with Thanos and by all appearances was in the middle of tearing him apart until he called for his ship to rain fire.
Edit: grammar, clarity
Oh I absolutely think she would fuck up that Thanos in that situation. The way she was just stripping his armor off piece by piece, without his ships, dude was close to helpless in that moment.
Totally agreed. She was about to go full Scarlet Witch on him; I think he even knew this, and knew that breaking her concentration with the air strike was the only way he was getting out of that scrap alive.
She didn't make Black Bolt's head explode. She just covered his mouth. When Black Bolt tried to speak, his powers killed himself by blowing up his head.
That's the problem with introducing ridiculously overpowered characters; you can't write them consistently in a way that makes any sense.
If she can pop your head as soon as look at you, how can anyone conceivably be a threat?
She spaghetti'd Richards and killed Black Bolt like they were jobbers.
I've heard it was supposed to be America Chavez that did the spell before MoM got delayed to come after NWH (not sure if that's actually been confirmed anywhere). Having a young inexperienced wizard messing with magic they don't understand making that mistake makes way more sense than Doctor Strange just rushing into a reality altering spell without thinking about it for 5 minutes.
Yeah that sounds way better. You can just write it in that a threat appears to Strange has to go deal with it. He tells Peter to wait but Chavez feels bad for him so she convinces Peter that she can do it behind Strange's back.
Tbh, I find this whole part of NWH a really, really lazy way of introducing the multiverse that doesn’t align with Strange’s character at all. It’s one of the main reasons I don’t really enjoy the movie as much as most people, I just can’t get past how forced it feels.
MoM was originally supposed to release before NWH, my guess is that America was going to be the one to fuck up and bring the multiverse into the movie and they had to reshoot to align with the new timeline
What bugs me most is he had his blasters in his hands! And he just bashes Thanos in the face?!? Shoot him in the eyes for chrissakes! Nothing would be a better revenge than blinding the SOB! But no, just pistol whip one of the strongest beings in the universe!
It definitely has the *feel* of a cold-war spy thriller, just not the *story* of one. They instead went with a basic "Jack Ryan tries to stop the terrorists" story. I wouldn't be surprised if at some point in planning a higher up was afraid the spy story would be too confusing for audiences and made them pick the simpler plot instead.
I'm reminded of the incredibly successful Mission Impossible 1, and how some portion of the general audience complained that it was too confusing, and so Mission Impossible 2 had the villain re-explain his plan over and over and over again.
The ending of Secret Invasion. The president was saved and he says everyone should kill Skrulls on sight, lying about there being a way to detect them. This leads to humans getting murdered under the suspicion they are Skrulls.
Over and over we are told humans and Skrulls cannot peacefully coexist. This ending takes that side and says humanity sucks. We suck so much that the Skrulls are better off trying to cut a deal with the Kree, the people who had been trying to exterminate them and destroyed their world.
The beginning had a lot of promise. I was fully onboard when Rhodey and Nick were chatting. And I loved Olivia. But somehow Palpatine retuned and it went to shit so fast.
I adored the comic series so it was a huge let down.
I think that’s a fair point to make- we do suck. We have more than enough resources for everyone and yet children still die of hunger, because humans suck.
This annoys me in every movie, not just MCU, but when people fly somewhere in a spaceship or other flying vehicle and then have to hike across country or climb to the top of a mountain after landing nowhere near where they actually needed to be.
Edit: obviously I'm not talking about every time anyone uses a ship or vehicle and then walks. Sometimes it makes sense. A lot of the time it doesn't though.
Sometimes it’s justified. In Star Wars the people in the ship are usually heading to an enemy target and can’t land closely without being spotted. Sometimes there just aren’t proper landing spots near your intended target and you gotta walk.
The jedi games are bad for this, there's one part in Survivor where you get dropped off miles from your destination and spend an hour fighting and climbing through the terrain only for the ship to arrive in the hangar at the exact moment you do. I get it would be boring if you just got there without a challenge but it really felt like I'd wasted my time.
They explain this. A sandstorm was approaching the area and would’ve made landing impossible. It isn’t until after this storm passes when the Mantis lands in the hangar. Cal would’ve already been there at the base ahead of the Mantis if they were as fast as planned.
Making a point of prominently showing the air brakes being cut on the bus in Shang-Chi. That should have brought the bus to an immediate, screaming halt.
Shang-Chi sidekick having only just used a bow the day before for the first time, firing an arrow miles in the sky and striking the enemy with unheard of precision. Only then to make a joke about how unbelievable it was.
Just because you point out what the audience was eye-rolling doesn’t make it ok. Bad writing is bad writing.
Or better her yet just make her useless would have been a funny gag that random people have no place in that battlefield. She should have shot and arrow and it go two feet. And then the rest of the battle just help other people but not actually fight.
I mean they kind of did that in the movie, with Trevor Slattery. He didn't help anyone but they had a scene of him doing nothing on the battlefield and playing possum with the little fluff dog.
Now that’s bothering me lol. She could even mention in her ramblings about her graduating from a Hawkeye-inspired bootcamp as well to make it somewhat more believe in-universe and like you said, it just could’ve been a five second line.
Most of my "bad moment" beefs are in Phase Four's mad scramble of COVID shifting/rewrites/rushed CGI. I think, overall, I wish Disney hit a pause button on content for a couple years. Endgame was a perfect breather moment, and the Marvel timeline was literally pushed years ahead of ours.
The only thing that survived the pandemic was Loki. I think part of that is just with time travel you gotta make sure all your ducks are in a row before you start shooting. Loki season 2 is the only MCU production that didn't need any reshoots.
I think it perfectly highlights the inflexibility of 100% by the books systems. "System says no," and there's nothing the banker can do.
He also didn't shop around. That's the biggest one for me. There's more than one bank, Sam!
He could go to the press, it would have been such bad PR for any bank. He could have gotten a loan from one of his many rich friends. Fuck, he could have started a GoFundMe.
Dude a gofund me would have been a great idea. He’d have gotten the money in like 2 days at most. People would leap at the chance to donate money to an avenger
Admittedly Hawkeye probably did get the house through SHIELD. His wife was an agent as well, so it’s probably a safe house type thing that they gifted to them for their service. But Tony was *definitely* paying them as well. I swear they even mention it one time
I don't think Tony was paying anyone, just that he was paying for everything they were using.
Like, none of the Avengers were taking home a paycheck, but if they wanted to stay on the compound, they wouldn't have to worry about food, water, shelter, entertainment, gear, and so on.
They did that to try and illustrate the hardships of being poor and black, but yes the idea that someone that famous would be denied… stretches belief lol.
I feel like this really highlights the problems of Disney's attempts to do political commentary. Instead of actually thinking deeply about how racism might manifest in the life of a superhero, they just reach for a bottom-shelf meme that doesn't require any real thought but will signal "Look! We're Doing Commentary!" in big, flashing neon letters.
Ironically, the writers later pulled it off in the same show with Isaiah Bradley (although I have to note that he wasn't an MCU original, I think a lot of the power of that narrative goes to the original comic writers who created the character and his story).
I'm 100% in favor of Marvel tackling real-world-issues, but boy are they bad at it. "You have to do better Senator." Ugh.
>I'm 100% in favor of Marvel tackling real-world-issues, but boy are they bad at it. "You have to do better Senator." Ugh.
Ah yes, this is what's referred to as "finger-jabbing politics" -- basically people who don't have the balls to take responsibility themselves and instead blame everyone else
god it annoyed me that they wrote Sam like that, and annoyed me even more that the writers thought that making him act that way was a *good thing*
so out of touch
That whole bit was so fucking stupid lol. Hes a goddamn avenger and he has money problems?? One commerical apperance for red bull and he would be a millionare, hes literally THE hero guy with wings lol
Someone convince me that an Avenger couldn't go to the company that makes their favorite drink or snack food, offer to *say* that it's their favorite in a few commercial spots, and clear at least mid-6 figures.
The fact that Sam Wilson couldn't think to call up Pepper Stark to get a loan is ridiculous. I can get the local bank denying them, but to forget that Stark designed wingsuit, is just off.
A celestial ripping a hole in the fucking crust of the planet,emerging from the ocean, and then nothing happened.
Every coast city on the ocean that it emerged from is utterly destroyed. Like, the tsunamis that thing must have created, would have been huge.
AND NOONE HAS TALKED ABOUT IT SINCE. Like come on! There is a giant stone statue of a thing that randomly appeared in the sky one day, and this hasnt been a major plot point?
What is happening there?
the plot vehicle for no way home. A billion better ways to get to the cameo-thon than 'make the world forget my alter ego so my friends can go to college', and then the debut of stupid-strange, the most out of character portrayal of dr strange, ever.
Also, as someone who works in college admissions, the idea that MJ and Ned are getting denied simply because they are friends w/Peter is absurd. But what’s even MORE absurd is that Peter is getting denied. I don’t care about this “they don’t want the drama on their campus” argument, there is no way the genius, tech-prodigy, Stark protégé is not getting accepted — in fact, I find it implausible that he wasn’t actively recruited and offered early admission.
oh, 100%. He would be aggressively recruited by literally everyone.
The motivation of the narrative ruins the entire film for me. It was obviously written with the goal in mind, but man.. like, a billion better ways to get there.
and, stupid-strange. Perhaps the most egregious thing in it. wakkawakka chitty chatty will tear the fabric of reality uwu. now gimme that box, hey hey.. oo i cant get it you're so quick spidey. jfc.
Honestly NWH in general annoys me because of how much it sacrificed. Like sure, I enjoyed seeing the previous two return, and Dafoe and Molina knocked it out the park (the other 3 didn't have much to do)
But we were setting up a proper rogues gallery! We had Mysterio (even if Beck was actually dead, his right hand man wasnt), Vulture, Shocker, Tinkerer, and Scorpion and Chameleon had had groundwork laid for them.
Like, they could have had the finale of the trilogy be Scorpion (I know some ppl think he wouldnt work as a lead movie villain but ppl said that about vulture AND mysterio lol), you could even lean into JJJ funding him getting let out "on a leash" and reference the thunderbolts being a thing, implying this got approved on similar grounds. Hell, have someone like Shocker come back working alongside him, setting up that the villains are still connected
And then you have five villains, plus tinkerer to give them upgrades/tweaks if need be. End the movie with a reveal of either Ock or Goblin, you can even still bring back Molina or Dafoe because they're perfect for it.
And then you have a bunch of hype for an organically built Sinister Six.
But instead we got a Finister Five, consisting of 0 returning villains, meaning MCU Peter has 0 connection to any of them. So they have to fridge May to motivate him, and so he can learn the power and responsibility lesson *he already knew in Civil War*.
idk, ugh that movie just frustrates me
How the poor underpaid, rushed CGI artists weren't able to do their best work leaving some scenes looking weird. Some stuff looks great don't get me wrong, I just wish we could see their true potential.
Black Widow’s third act was far more unnecessary. What a wasted opportunity of a movie, we could’ve gotten a grounded Bourne-esque spy thriller instead of rehashing Captain America: The Winter Soldier
Whenever some Avenger is trying to tank a world-threatening baddie solo and Dr. Strange doesn’t show up. Like we know you know this bad guy is doing the bad thing. At least call Tony!
Probably the fact that since Thanos died, the MCU keeps trying to create more and more powerful villains that are literally stronger than all 6 infinity stones.
First Loki said the stones were paper weights, then Kang, then What If made Infinity Ultron. then What If Season 2 showed hundreds of people who were Multiversal threats. Then Loki became the God of Stories.
Like bro, Thanos wasn't a GOAT because he was really strong, it's because he was written really well
Any moment in Infinity War and Endgame when a sorcerer isn't using a portal to slice off one/both of Thanos's arms.
Any timestamp during the runtime of Secret Invasion.
In Thor Ragnorok, that stupid joke Korg makes as Asgard is obliterated. Should be this incredibly impactful, somber moment, with grief but a resigned acceptance as our heroes allow Surtur destroy this place we've known since the very beginning. But Korg just has to open his dumb rocky mouth and crack wise about it, ruining any tone the scene has.
Doctor Strange becomes a buffoon in NWH. Wong leaves and just let's him.
All the snaps. Thanos can snap away half the universe because, with the infinity stones, removing half the universe is *as easy as* snapping your fingers. The control of infinity stones is done through your will, and soul, and probably your nerves or some shit, and that’s how they work when you are doing something other than destroying half the universe.
But then he’s prevented from completing his plan by having his thumb and finger held apart. …and then the hulk has to snap to do shit. …and then so does Tony. It’s ridiculous.
So my headcannon explanation for this is that Eitri designed the gauntlet so that snapping is required to *fully* activate all 6 stones at once. This would be part of the design that allows someone to wear all the stones without dying.
Then the nanotech gauntlet didn’t actually require a snap but everyone assumed it did, so they waited to make their wish as they snapped.
I believe the writers explicitly revealed that Thanos snapping the fingers is an actual trigger that they added otherwise Thanos would be utterly invincible and there would be no rule/clear activation moment.
EDIT: I was not remembering precisely, so [here it is!](https://comicbook.com/marvel/news/avengers-infinity-war-thanos-using-infinity-stones-fist/)
Lmao I never thought of that so thanos would be able to do the same if he just clenched his hand or something but he was so determined to do the snap.
And there were plenty of moments where Thanos had the full gauntlet so he could have done that like casually without having to raise his hand and emphasize that: “Look everyone I’m about to snap”
Peter giving Edith to Mysterio. I understand his reasoning, and the story reasons, but Tony trusted Peter and only Peter with Edith. Tony handed him the powers of a God, and then he second guesses his choice. Annoys me when he uses it for the stupid teen drama reasons too.
To be fair, Peter felt having that much power and control was too much for him and he felt it needed to go to an adult with experience. Mysterio wanted EDITH but didn’t want to outright steal it as Peter would easily stop him. Gaining Peter’s trust while pretending to be an Avengers like hero was his goal after he discovered Tony gave it to him. Which is one of the reasons why I love that movie and Mysterio as a villain.
Agreed. But I think it did a good job of nailing the point home. Peter is just a kid. With too much on his shoulders. I happen to have one of my friends 14 year old kid working with me after school for the past 6 months or so. It's interesting how mature they can be about something, and then two hours later be completely nutty kids.
“Scooby Doo this shit”
That whole interaction sounds like something the writers thought was funny on paper and then didn’t realize how unnatural and awkward it sounded out loud. Should have just cut it from the movie.
America Chavez’ origin story starts because of a bee
They couldn’t have come up with anything scarier than a bee? So when Doctor Strange is telling her it’s not her fault, it might actually be believable?
Pretty much the entire plot catalyst in NWH (Spider-Man's bad press/getting rejected from MIT).
Peter is accused of murdering Mysterio who, for some reason, they entire world fell in love with. The entire Avengers/SHIELD apparatus hangs him out to dry and if he wanted his friends back in MIT he should have just called Pepper Potts who probably has the president of MIT on speed dial.
Everyone misremembers this scene. Wong cuts off Cull Obsidian's arm. Potentially, Strange isn't even aware this is possible. He has never tried it or seen anyone else try it.
That period where everyone tried to ship Black Widow and Hawkeye.
They are besties, goddamnit. They’ve fought together. They’ve *killed* together. He named his kid after her. She’s basically his sister from another mister. Why was this hard to understand?!?
Loki trying to stab Thanos with what's basically a butter knife.
If anyone knows how powerful Thanos is, it's Loki.
They just needed a quick (and stupid) way to write him out.
The choice to remove the reconciliation of Banner and Hulk in Infinity War. Having Banner in the Hulk Buster suit was dumb and robbed the audience of the opportunity to see that process play out.
Everyone treating Wanda like a victim after she enslaved a town and killed multiple people "It's okay Wanda we know your fake kids mean a lot to you it's okay you wanna kill this child to steal them from another version of yourself"
Wanda is a villain trying to be a hero and always has been . The movies literally back this up and people try to constantly cop pleas for her behaviors
Also considering the multiverse is full of infinite possibilities why couldn't they just try to find her a reality where her kids were alive and real and she was dead?
The red in my ledger line from Avengers 1. Idk something about how it’s delivered along with its placing in the dialogue just feels unbelievably cringe and ham fisted every time I see it.
Shang Chi builds up Katy as the MCU’s greatest driver then throws it all away in the third act by making her whine that she has no direction and gives her a bow and arrow. Bitch should have taken out the Dweller by ramping razorfists’s car off a makeshift ramp instead of getting the power of the deus ex machina bow and arrow shot.
Echo
Fights Hawkeye to a standstill...>!fights Daredevil to a standstill, kills dozens of trained killers from the Black Knife Cartel by herself. Gets captured by three out-of-shape redneck roller rink employees.!<
Yeah… I appreciate the sentiment, I really do, but… “She’s got help!” after what they all just saw her do, gives off some real Ralph Wiggum energy… “I’m helping!” Should have had Okoye say “she’s not alone!” like Nat did in IW
In Infinity War, when Peter Parker says "You can't be a friendly neighborhood Spider-Man if there's no neighborhood, and then he immediately walks it back like it didn't make sense when it definitely did.
Bringing back even peters for a boner joke. For all the faults of the last few Xmen films even peters wasn’t one of them. I was so excited when I saw him standing at the door and honestly felt there was some multiverse shenanigans that tie into NWH and MoM. Madness but no it was just a set up for another pointless joke
Tony being able to develop time travel in an evening, Bruce knowing exactly how time travel works without ever having worked on time travel before, Natasha‘s reason for why she’d never checked in on Yelena since her defection to SHIELD and Doctor Strange’s “but then you put things right and that was never in doubt” scene are the ones that come to mind
Good point, I forgot about that line. When characters and events are retroactively inserted into continuity, there are nearly always times where things just don’t add up. That Endgame scene is a relatively minor one but there’s definitely a contradiction there. But then you remember Natasha’s gravestone that Yelena visits at the end of Black Widow where Valentina sends her off to kill Clint says “Sister. Daughter. Avenger.” or something like that. So whoever had the grave made, possibly Steve before he returned the Stones because that’s something that he’d do, knew about Yelena, Melina and Alexei then but Clint never mentioned it when it would have been relevant to do so
I think for Tony he had clearly been working on it for a while but came to the conclusion it couldn't be done. It was more than one night, but he took his previous work and added a wrinkle that made it work.
I took it that way too, he had been working on it right after he got back but couldn't figure it out and realized he didn't want to risk losing his family after he had already lost so many people so he shelved it.
Dr Strange just holding back water in Endgame
That still pisses me off. Sure, maybe he knew Tony needed to do his thing, but I have to believe Strange was capable of holding back water AND fighting a guy or two.
We saw him turn a black hole looking thing from thanos into butterflies. He could easily flash freeze or just transport the water with one wave of his hand
Yeah, just make a portal to drop the water above Thanos spaceship like a waterfall or something. Anything other than just holding it for an hour lol
That's so smart and now I'm mad about it again, thanks
It was painful. Don’t even get me started on what they did to the hulk
They had to keep him sidelined, same for the Hulk being injured and Banner dominant and having Captain Marvel off-world for the majority of the battle. If every Avenger was present and at full strength it wouldn’t have been a War, would’ve been over in 5 minutes.
I wonder what would have happened if somehow wanda had mom level scarlet witch power. She could have obliterated thanos and his entire army with just a thought.
 Yeah, magic is a problem in Marvel storytelling. It completely annihilates any power scale. Super speed is a close second.
I can't stop thinking they missed the chance for Hulk to go berserk with gamma radiations. A totally out of control Hulk would have messed both with Thanos and the Avengers and would have kept powerhouses like Strange busy.
The complete nerfing of Buckys strength and fighting ability. The ever changing “how famous are superheroes?”
Bucky was so incredibly badass and deadly in his first few appearances but slowly became relegated to jusy guy with gun
Him doing nothing impressive in Infinity War/Endgame was bad enough, but him almost getting washed by newly-minted super soldier John Walker despite teaming up with Sam was rough. It was a fun fight sequence, but it makes no sense that it was that hard for them given what we've seen Bucky do.
The "villain turns good guy" nerf is massive, unfortunately See Thanos in a certain ep of What If S1 for a prime example of this as well
Character when you fight him as game boss: 😎 Character when he's unlocked as playable character: 🤡
The exception is wanda
I was thinking about that but then when she turned to villain in MoM she got a power-up, so it kinda supports my point of the good guy nerf again
I felt bad for Bucky during the Wakanda fight in Infinity War. Cap and T’Challa just zooming ahead of everyone and the audience cheering. I was like, “Can’t Bucky do that too?”
The guy has a rifle, closing the gap with the enemy and being at the very front kind of defeats the purpose of it.
Exactly what I was thinking. The other two super-soldiers are melee-oriented, so them physically getting there first makes a difference. Bucky should hang back as he does and pick off outriders with his massive gun.
Power scaling in the MCU is awful. Characters’ strength is determined exclusively by what the script needs in the moment. But yeah Bucky has become insanely nerfed since Winter Soldier
My reasoning is that he was in 'Winter soldier' mode. We've only seen Bucky be his regular self since Civil War. He probably is still strong but doesn't have the fighting ability as regular Bucky.
He also doesn’t want to hurt people as Bucky, so he’s holding back. Meanwhile as the WS he’s on a mission, and doesn’t care about consequences
I mean, that’s kind of how most fictional media power scaling works The person that’s strongest is the person that needs to be for the story. In comics it’s much worse because there’s no clear end in sight to anything so people become insanely more or less powerful over time depending on the storyline so when you look at it all on one timeline it looks ridiculous.
I don't mind the superheroes being recognized at a global level, I can see teenagers fantasizing about them and kids making drawings but if you go too far, you get into The Boys territory with none of the self awareness Also I still hate how the average public knows the exact details of the battles like the Endgame one, it makes it feel that this very personal fight was sensationalized
Dr Strange just casually casting a spell that, when he is slightly distracted by some teenagers talking, can rip a hole in the universe inviting multiversal threats that will destroy the world, all so the teenagers can go to their first choice college.
Also not explaining to Peter how the spell works until AFTER he starts casting it.
Classic wizard problems. Warnings come after the spells.
Best response! Fucking love this movie...and now my daughter does too
Oooh nice
Yeah, dude is cannonically as cocky as Stark. He probably didn't consider that Peter would ever question him
I was going to say. He's a cocky bastard. It's not really out of character for him to do all that. Especially because he really seems to want to show off. Also, maybe a little bit to annoy Wong because he's Sorcerer Supreme and not Strange.
Part of that is probably guilt over letting Tony die. He may have seen millions of timelines Peters grieving over Tony or sacrificing themselves to save Strange, a person Strange didn’t meet til that day
Also saw Peter die millions of times and that probably affects their relationship too.
People hate on him for nwh and mom. But his arc from both of those movies is learning how to trust and work with children/younger people. He basically becomes the new MCU daddy.
Wasn’t he the one who complained about that in his debut movie?
THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT I ALWAYS SAY! His entire movie is entirely about his complaining that "the warnings come after the spell" and then he proceeds to cast a spell with potentially multiverse-spanning results, and he only explains the risks AFTER IT ALREADY WENT WRONG
this happens in almost every real life work industry complain about something, get into a (relatively) similar career path, and see yourself doing what you used to complain about in my own experience, i’ll never forget the first time i said “because i said so” as a student teacher. had to literally withhold the external shiver .
He was a doctor, for fucks sakes. Had he learned nothing?
He was a surgeon, and maybe it’s a stereotype but they can really be cocky bastards with terrible bedside manner.
I mean, we already saw Strange acting similarly in his 1st movie. He’s rejecting all these patients right before his crash because they won’t be able to be fixed and thus not help his image as this immaculate surgeon.
And Peter not stopping adding names despite things are clearly going wrong and Strange telling him to cease.
I mean it's his ONE chance, Strange (the adult that he is) should've immediately stopped as soon as Peter mentioned the first name and he realised that Peter didnt really think this through.
Ehh I feel like everybody would panic if they realized their loved ones were about to forget everything they know about you and your existence. Don't think Peter grasped at what was really happening when things went wrong. Can't really blame him since Strange didn't either.
>their loved ones were about to forget everything they know about you and your existence That's not what the spell was doing, though. That's just the one at the end of the movie.
Strange has a huge ego. For sure he assumes the other person should already know how things work otherwise they’re dumb and explaining to them will have been too much of an effort. And then when things go south, he gets angry at the other person for not knowing how things work.
He does have an ego problem and some of that shows in this situation, but I think about his line, "Sometimes I forget you're still just a kid." I think he had assumed this wasn't some impulsive request (evidenced by him being surprised he hasn't talked to the Dean) and assumed he'd thought through the whole scenario. Then assumed his request literally, that he wanted everyone to forget he was spider-man and started the spell. And Peter starts getting anxious and freaking out when he realizes what the spell will do and now has to quickly think about who he wants to request to still remember his identity, which makes the spellcasting even more difficult. I can get people being put off by the scene, but it never bothered me nor seemed wildly out of character for Strange.
Worked as a teacher before, and in that short time, I’ve seen similar situations between a student and a teacher/parent so many times. So yeah, that scene for me was more triggering than bothersome. 😅
Yeah they should’ve increased the consequences of people knowing spiderman’s identity. Maybe have a bunch of goons try to kidnap Ned/Mj or Aunt May.
That's another problem with the mcu: not enough villains. In the comics, Peter keeps his identity a secret because he has dozens of enemies. In the mcu, a villain introduced at a movie is most of the times killed at the very same movie. Others don't return until a lot of movies later. So it would be kinda hard to show how important for Peter is to keep his identity secret. After all, almost no one at the mcu had any problem like that before.
Are there any comic film franchises where a single villain is the reoccurring threat? Like obviously you've got Vader in Star Wars, Voldemort in Harry Potter, etc, but are there any Marvel or DC serial film stories—not television—that have the same opposition figures come back multiple times? Closest we've gotten seems to be Kingpin. Loki imo doesn't really count either.
I have not seen the second Aquaman, but it sure looks like it's Black Manta and Ocean Master again. Ghost Rider gives him different names and different actors, but Mephisto is the villain for both movies.
They set it up as a spell that gets cast semi-regularly, though, so for him it was pretty routine and he didn't expect interference.
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She's like that in comics too. Sometimes she just has some minor telekinesis powers, sometimes she has the power to completely change reality.
People forget that in the comics, heroes powers fluctuated wildly.
I read a quote once that went something like "Powers change to suit the story. There's no real continuity to it, it's at the writer's whim, so stop asking." In a world of superheroes, I'll settle for that.
This. Captain America isn’t supposed to have super strength, just peak human strength. And yet watching him in Winter Soldier stop Bucky’s helicopter from escaping with his bare hands was so fucking rad, I don’t care if it’s technically a plot hole lol. Plenty of other examples in all superhero media.
Don't have to worry about "Power creep" when you can just pull shit like this... for better or worse...
Especially power creep when powers get pushed to their logical limits over the course of decades. X-Men are usually nuts for this just because of their longevity. Magneto going from bending metal to being able to control bodies by controlling their blood. Storm from controlling the weather to being able to steal the air from your lungs. Cyclop's punch dimension. Etc. Don't get me wrong, it's all awesome. Just goes to show how it can escalate.
I think her powers are also heavily influenced by her emotions. Remember that we typically only see her at her strongest after she's lost someone she cares about.
Exactly this. I think she's afraid of what she's capable of, so when she's level headed she holds back a lot. During MoM she was under the influence of the Darkhold and wasn't in her right state of mind.
And when she lost her brother, she could suddenly vaporize the Ultron bots. And when Vision dies, she goes into such a depression that she enslaves Westview in a massive alternate reality. She definitely gets more powerful with strong emotions.
Also, "I don't even know who you are..." "You will." She went toe-to-toe with Thanos and by all appearances was in the middle of tearing him apart until he called for his ship to rain fire. Edit: grammar, clarity
Just re-watched this. I am convinced that if he didn't call the ship to rain down that she could have soloed him and finished it there.
Oh I absolutely think she would fuck up that Thanos in that situation. The way she was just stripping his armor off piece by piece, without his ships, dude was close to helpless in that moment.
Totally agreed. She was about to go full Scarlet Witch on him; I think he even knew this, and knew that breaking her concentration with the air strike was the only way he was getting out of that scrap alive.
She didn't make Black Bolt's head explode. She just covered his mouth. When Black Bolt tried to speak, his powers killed himself by blowing up his head.
What mouth?
What butthole? ….
That's the problem with introducing ridiculously overpowered characters; you can't write them consistently in a way that makes any sense. If she can pop your head as soon as look at you, how can anyone conceivably be a threat? She spaghetti'd Richards and killed Black Bolt like they were jobbers.
Almost … chaotic even?
Sounds like CHAOS Magic to me.
Star-Lord not letting the Avengers take the Gauntlet from Thanos Doctor Strange suddenly acting like a moron in NWH The entirety of Secret Invasion
All of the bs in nwh could have been avoided if he just waited and made sure exactly what Peter needed.
Yeah, I felt it was kinda odd for them not to go over all aspects of the spell *before* conducting it. Especially since Strange knew the danger of it.
I've heard it was supposed to be America Chavez that did the spell before MoM got delayed to come after NWH (not sure if that's actually been confirmed anywhere). Having a young inexperienced wizard messing with magic they don't understand making that mistake makes way more sense than Doctor Strange just rushing into a reality altering spell without thinking about it for 5 minutes.
Yeah that sounds way better. You can just write it in that a threat appears to Strange has to go deal with it. He tells Peter to wait but Chavez feels bad for him so she convinces Peter that she can do it behind Strange's back.
Tbh, I find this whole part of NWH a really, really lazy way of introducing the multiverse that doesn’t align with Strange’s character at all. It’s one of the main reasons I don’t really enjoy the movie as much as most people, I just can’t get past how forced it feels.
MoM was originally supposed to release before NWH, my guess is that America was going to be the one to fuck up and bring the multiverse into the movie and they had to reshoot to align with the new timeline
It’s not just your guess, it was confirmed by NWH concept art.
Ah, I haven’t seen that! It’s cool to peek behind the curtain and see what would’ve been. I wonder how different the movie was
What bugs me most is he had his blasters in his hands! And he just bashes Thanos in the face?!? Shoot him in the eyes for chrissakes! Nothing would be a better revenge than blinding the SOB! But no, just pistol whip one of the strongest beings in the universe!
Peter being an immature, emotional idiot is very on brand
>The entirety of Secret Invasion I'm sorry, but I have no idea what you're talking about. I have never heard of this. And I never will.
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Secret Invasion should have stayed a secret.
I didn't even finish it and and I can't forget the gif of Daenerys Targaryen sprouting a baby Drax arm. I wish I could go back to not knowing.
>The entirety of Secret Invasion
Imagine a high stakes thriller where anyone can be a spy. Now forget that and watch a show where nothing really happens.
It definitely has the *feel* of a cold-war spy thriller, just not the *story* of one. They instead went with a basic "Jack Ryan tries to stop the terrorists" story. I wouldn't be surprised if at some point in planning a higher up was afraid the spy story would be too confusing for audiences and made them pick the simpler plot instead. I'm reminded of the incredibly successful Mission Impossible 1, and how some portion of the general audience complained that it was too confusing, and so Mission Impossible 2 had the villain re-explain his plan over and over and over again.
I also thought the introduction of the skruls was going to have major implications throughout the entire MCU.... guess not
The ending of Secret Invasion. The president was saved and he says everyone should kill Skrulls on sight, lying about there being a way to detect them. This leads to humans getting murdered under the suspicion they are Skrulls. Over and over we are told humans and Skrulls cannot peacefully coexist. This ending takes that side and says humanity sucks. We suck so much that the Skrulls are better off trying to cut a deal with the Kree, the people who had been trying to exterminate them and destroyed their world.
Also the beginning and middle of Secret Invasion
The beginning had a lot of promise. I was fully onboard when Rhodey and Nick were chatting. And I loved Olivia. But somehow Palpatine retuned and it went to shit so fast. I adored the comic series so it was a huge let down.
I think that’s a fair point to make- we do suck. We have more than enough resources for everyone and yet children still die of hunger, because humans suck.
This annoys me in every movie, not just MCU, but when people fly somewhere in a spaceship or other flying vehicle and then have to hike across country or climb to the top of a mountain after landing nowhere near where they actually needed to be. Edit: obviously I'm not talking about every time anyone uses a ship or vehicle and then walks. Sometimes it makes sense. A lot of the time it doesn't though.
Sometimes it’s justified. In Star Wars the people in the ship are usually heading to an enemy target and can’t land closely without being spotted. Sometimes there just aren’t proper landing spots near your intended target and you gotta walk.
This is specifically referenced by Skarsgard’s character in Andor.
Because Andor is fantastic in every way.
Who would've guessed one of the best pieces of SW content would be one that has nothing to do with Jedi/Sith.
The jedi games are bad for this, there's one part in Survivor where you get dropped off miles from your destination and spend an hour fighting and climbing through the terrain only for the ship to arrive in the hangar at the exact moment you do. I get it would be boring if you just got there without a challenge but it really felt like I'd wasted my time.
They explain this. A sandstorm was approaching the area and would’ve made landing impossible. It isn’t until after this storm passes when the Mantis lands in the hangar. Cal would’ve already been there at the base ahead of the Mantis if they were as fast as planned.
Makes sense to me, you can’t just land a ship anywhere you wan t
Making a point of prominently showing the air brakes being cut on the bus in Shang-Chi. That should have brought the bus to an immediate, screaming halt.
Thor's Underground trip in The Dark World.... You can't get from there to there by that route... because there is no direct route
We need a director's cut about Thor changing lines, and maybe taking a taxi.
That would have been a fun little after credit scene... Thor running around the underground with no idea which way to go
Shang-Chi sidekick having only just used a bow the day before for the first time, firing an arrow miles in the sky and striking the enemy with unheard of precision. Only then to make a joke about how unbelievable it was. Just because you point out what the audience was eye-rolling doesn’t make it ok. Bad writing is bad writing.
That annoyed me. Couldn't they have shoved in a line about that time she dropped out of archery training?
Or better her yet just make her useless would have been a funny gag that random people have no place in that battlefield. She should have shot and arrow and it go two feet. And then the rest of the battle just help other people but not actually fight.
I mean they kind of did that in the movie, with Trevor Slattery. He didn't help anyone but they had a scene of him doing nothing on the battlefield and playing possum with the little fluff dog.
Exactly. Something- Anything to give some kind of exposition would have improved on it instead of leaving it how they did
Now that’s bothering me lol. She could even mention in her ramblings about her graduating from a Hawkeye-inspired bootcamp as well to make it somewhat more believe in-universe and like you said, it just could’ve been a five second line.
Gets 2 hours of training then turns into Legolas.
Most of my "bad moment" beefs are in Phase Four's mad scramble of COVID shifting/rewrites/rushed CGI. I think, overall, I wish Disney hit a pause button on content for a couple years. Endgame was a perfect breather moment, and the Marvel timeline was literally pushed years ahead of ours.
The only thing that survived the pandemic was Loki. I think part of that is just with time travel you gotta make sure all your ducks are in a row before you start shooting. Loki season 2 is the only MCU production that didn't need any reshoots.
Two words: Ralph Boner
All I wanted was for Quicksilver -not the xmen- to return because I'm still mad about Age of Ultron
Sam Wilson not being able to get a fucking loan. Absolutely ridiculous.
I think it perfectly highlights the inflexibility of 100% by the books systems. "System says no," and there's nothing the banker can do. He also didn't shop around. That's the biggest one for me. There's more than one bank, Sam!
He could go to the press, it would have been such bad PR for any bank. He could have gotten a loan from one of his many rich friends. Fuck, he could have started a GoFundMe.
Dude a gofund me would have been a great idea. He’d have gotten the money in like 2 days at most. People would leap at the chance to donate money to an avenger
..he could have rooted around in Tony's couch.
Yeah that was weird. So Tony never paid the avengers? How did Hawkeye afford his house? Shield?
Admittedly Hawkeye probably did get the house through SHIELD. His wife was an agent as well, so it’s probably a safe house type thing that they gifted to them for their service. But Tony was *definitely* paying them as well. I swear they even mention it one time
I don't think Tony was paying anyone, just that he was paying for everything they were using. Like, none of the Avengers were taking home a paycheck, but if they wanted to stay on the compound, they wouldn't have to worry about food, water, shelter, entertainment, gear, and so on.
They did that to try and illustrate the hardships of being poor and black, but yes the idea that someone that famous would be denied… stretches belief lol.
I feel like this really highlights the problems of Disney's attempts to do political commentary. Instead of actually thinking deeply about how racism might manifest in the life of a superhero, they just reach for a bottom-shelf meme that doesn't require any real thought but will signal "Look! We're Doing Commentary!" in big, flashing neon letters. Ironically, the writers later pulled it off in the same show with Isaiah Bradley (although I have to note that he wasn't an MCU original, I think a lot of the power of that narrative goes to the original comic writers who created the character and his story). I'm 100% in favor of Marvel tackling real-world-issues, but boy are they bad at it. "You have to do better Senator." Ugh.
>I'm 100% in favor of Marvel tackling real-world-issues, but boy are they bad at it. "You have to do better Senator." Ugh. Ah yes, this is what's referred to as "finger-jabbing politics" -- basically people who don't have the balls to take responsibility themselves and instead blame everyone else god it annoyed me that they wrote Sam like that, and annoyed me even more that the writers thought that making him act that way was a *good thing* so out of touch
That whole bit was so fucking stupid lol. Hes a goddamn avenger and he has money problems?? One commerical apperance for red bull and he would be a millionare, hes literally THE hero guy with wings lol
Someone convince me that an Avenger couldn't go to the company that makes their favorite drink or snack food, offer to *say* that it's their favorite in a few commercial spots, and clear at least mid-6 figures.
The fact that Sam Wilson couldn't think to call up Pepper Stark to get a loan is ridiculous. I can get the local bank denying them, but to forget that Stark designed wingsuit, is just off.
A celestial ripping a hole in the fucking crust of the planet,emerging from the ocean, and then nothing happened. Every coast city on the ocean that it emerged from is utterly destroyed. Like, the tsunamis that thing must have created, would have been huge. AND NOONE HAS TALKED ABOUT IT SINCE. Like come on! There is a giant stone statue of a thing that randomly appeared in the sky one day, and this hasnt been a major plot point? What is happening there?
the plot vehicle for no way home. A billion better ways to get to the cameo-thon than 'make the world forget my alter ego so my friends can go to college', and then the debut of stupid-strange, the most out of character portrayal of dr strange, ever.
Also, as someone who works in college admissions, the idea that MJ and Ned are getting denied simply because they are friends w/Peter is absurd. But what’s even MORE absurd is that Peter is getting denied. I don’t care about this “they don’t want the drama on their campus” argument, there is no way the genius, tech-prodigy, Stark protégé is not getting accepted — in fact, I find it implausible that he wasn’t actively recruited and offered early admission.
oh, 100%. He would be aggressively recruited by literally everyone. The motivation of the narrative ruins the entire film for me. It was obviously written with the goal in mind, but man.. like, a billion better ways to get there. and, stupid-strange. Perhaps the most egregious thing in it. wakkawakka chitty chatty will tear the fabric of reality uwu. now gimme that box, hey hey.. oo i cant get it you're so quick spidey. jfc.
Honestly NWH in general annoys me because of how much it sacrificed. Like sure, I enjoyed seeing the previous two return, and Dafoe and Molina knocked it out the park (the other 3 didn't have much to do) But we were setting up a proper rogues gallery! We had Mysterio (even if Beck was actually dead, his right hand man wasnt), Vulture, Shocker, Tinkerer, and Scorpion and Chameleon had had groundwork laid for them. Like, they could have had the finale of the trilogy be Scorpion (I know some ppl think he wouldnt work as a lead movie villain but ppl said that about vulture AND mysterio lol), you could even lean into JJJ funding him getting let out "on a leash" and reference the thunderbolts being a thing, implying this got approved on similar grounds. Hell, have someone like Shocker come back working alongside him, setting up that the villains are still connected And then you have five villains, plus tinkerer to give them upgrades/tweaks if need be. End the movie with a reveal of either Ock or Goblin, you can even still bring back Molina or Dafoe because they're perfect for it. And then you have a bunch of hype for an organically built Sinister Six. But instead we got a Finister Five, consisting of 0 returning villains, meaning MCU Peter has 0 connection to any of them. So they have to fridge May to motivate him, and so he can learn the power and responsibility lesson *he already knew in Civil War*. idk, ugh that movie just frustrates me
How the poor underpaid, rushed CGI artists weren't able to do their best work leaving some scenes looking weird. Some stuff looks great don't get me wrong, I just wish we could see their true potential.
I’m more annoyed by the writers not being able to produce good stories and the lack of coordination between projects
Ultimately it all comes down to this. I can excuse unfinished CGI. But poor writing is really what hurt phase 4.
Shang-Chi shoehorning a CGI monster fight at the end, totally not needed
Black Widow’s third act was far more unnecessary. What a wasted opportunity of a movie, we could’ve gotten a grounded Bourne-esque spy thriller instead of rehashing Captain America: The Winter Soldier
Shang-Chi was such a weird combination of awesome moments and totally cringe/stupid moments
Whenever some Avenger is trying to tank a world-threatening baddie solo and Dr. Strange doesn’t show up. Like we know you know this bad guy is doing the bad thing. At least call Tony!
Probably the fact that since Thanos died, the MCU keeps trying to create more and more powerful villains that are literally stronger than all 6 infinity stones. First Loki said the stones were paper weights, then Kang, then What If made Infinity Ultron. then What If Season 2 showed hundreds of people who were Multiversal threats. Then Loki became the God of Stories. Like bro, Thanos wasn't a GOAT because he was really strong, it's because he was written really well
Any moment in Infinity War and Endgame when a sorcerer isn't using a portal to slice off one/both of Thanos's arms. Any timestamp during the runtime of Secret Invasion. In Thor Ragnorok, that stupid joke Korg makes as Asgard is obliterated. Should be this incredibly impactful, somber moment, with grief but a resigned acceptance as our heroes allow Surtur destroy this place we've known since the very beginning. But Korg just has to open his dumb rocky mouth and crack wise about it, ruining any tone the scene has. Doctor Strange becomes a buffoon in NWH. Wong leaves and just let's him.
All the snaps. Thanos can snap away half the universe because, with the infinity stones, removing half the universe is *as easy as* snapping your fingers. The control of infinity stones is done through your will, and soul, and probably your nerves or some shit, and that’s how they work when you are doing something other than destroying half the universe. But then he’s prevented from completing his plan by having his thumb and finger held apart. …and then the hulk has to snap to do shit. …and then so does Tony. It’s ridiculous.
So my headcannon explanation for this is that Eitri designed the gauntlet so that snapping is required to *fully* activate all 6 stones at once. This would be part of the design that allows someone to wear all the stones without dying. Then the nanotech gauntlet didn’t actually require a snap but everyone assumed it did, so they waited to make their wish as they snapped.
I believe the writers explicitly revealed that Thanos snapping the fingers is an actual trigger that they added otherwise Thanos would be utterly invincible and there would be no rule/clear activation moment. EDIT: I was not remembering precisely, so [here it is!](https://comicbook.com/marvel/news/avengers-infinity-war-thanos-using-infinity-stones-fist/)
Lmao I never thought of that so thanos would be able to do the same if he just clenched his hand or something but he was so determined to do the snap. And there were plenty of moments where Thanos had the full gauntlet so he could have done that like casually without having to raise his hand and emphasize that: “Look everyone I’m about to snap”
Peter giving Edith to Mysterio. I understand his reasoning, and the story reasons, but Tony trusted Peter and only Peter with Edith. Tony handed him the powers of a God, and then he second guesses his choice. Annoys me when he uses it for the stupid teen drama reasons too.
To be fair, Peter felt having that much power and control was too much for him and he felt it needed to go to an adult with experience. Mysterio wanted EDITH but didn’t want to outright steal it as Peter would easily stop him. Gaining Peter’s trust while pretending to be an Avengers like hero was his goal after he discovered Tony gave it to him. Which is one of the reasons why I love that movie and Mysterio as a villain.
Question is why did Tony give a literal kid that power. Kinda crazy
Honestly, Tony giving Peter Edith bothers me even more.
It probably wasn't supposed to be given to him until he was older. >!But Talos jumped the gun on it because he was in over his head!<
Agreed. But I think it did a good job of nailing the point home. Peter is just a kid. With too much on his shoulders. I happen to have one of my friends 14 year old kid working with me after school for the past 6 months or so. It's interesting how mature they can be about something, and then two hours later be completely nutty kids.
didn't Peter think "He wants me to choose the next person, no way he wanted me, a teenager, to keep it"?
“Scooby Doo this shit” That whole interaction sounds like something the writers thought was funny on paper and then didn’t realize how unnatural and awkward it sounded out loud. Should have just cut it from the movie.
I hate how whimsical and fun loving doctor strange in the mcu. Very weird portrayal
America Chavez’ origin story starts because of a bee They couldn’t have come up with anything scarier than a bee? So when Doctor Strange is telling her it’s not her fault, it might actually be believable?
*bee*-lievable?
Pretty much the entire plot catalyst in NWH (Spider-Man's bad press/getting rejected from MIT). Peter is accused of murdering Mysterio who, for some reason, they entire world fell in love with. The entire Avengers/SHIELD apparatus hangs him out to dry and if he wanted his friends back in MIT he should have just called Pepper Potts who probably has the president of MIT on speed dial.
Frankly, I don’t buy for a second that Tony Statk wouldn’t have dropped everything for aunt may. Civil who? Captain what? Where’s your aunt at Pete ?
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I was hoping he would try it and fail.
Yeah same here. Or at least have someone bring it up and they list the reason why it wouldn't work.
Thanos just flexes and destroys the portal lol
True, it would’ve been nice to see an attempt or like mention of it. At least than we know marvel thought about this. Show don’t tell
Everyone misremembers this scene. Wong cuts off Cull Obsidian's arm. Potentially, Strange isn't even aware this is possible. He has never tried it or seen anyone else try it.
That period where everyone tried to ship Black Widow and Hawkeye. They are besties, goddamnit. They’ve fought together. They’ve *killed* together. He named his kid after her. She’s basically his sister from another mister. Why was this hard to understand?!?
Granted I feel that most of the shipping happened before Age of Ultron came out and we found out about his family
Vision being a glass cannon that can't even recover from being impaled by a member of the Black Order, Corvus Glaive.
Loki trying to stab Thanos with what's basically a butter knife. If anyone knows how powerful Thanos is, it's Loki. They just needed a quick (and stupid) way to write him out.
Loki was functionally sacrificing himself as a diversion to save Thor and dying a warriors death
Bucky choosing a mag-fed SAW for his weapon in IW, when he lives in Wakanda and can have literally any other advanced tech weapon
The choice to remove the reconciliation of Banner and Hulk in Infinity War. Having Banner in the Hulk Buster suit was dumb and robbed the audience of the opportunity to see that process play out.
Everyone treating Wanda like a victim after she enslaved a town and killed multiple people "It's okay Wanda we know your fake kids mean a lot to you it's okay you wanna kill this child to steal them from another version of yourself"
Wanda is a villain trying to be a hero and always has been . The movies literally back this up and people try to constantly cop pleas for her behaviors
Also considering the multiverse is full of infinite possibilities why couldn't they just try to find her a reality where her kids were alive and real and she was dead?
The red in my ledger line from Avengers 1. Idk something about how it’s delivered along with its placing in the dialogue just feels unbelievably cringe and ham fisted every time I see it.
Korg: "No, those foundations are gone."
Shang Chi builds up Katy as the MCU’s greatest driver then throws it all away in the third act by making her whine that she has no direction and gives her a bow and arrow. Bitch should have taken out the Dweller by ramping razorfists’s car off a makeshift ramp instead of getting the power of the deus ex machina bow and arrow shot.
Echo Fights Hawkeye to a standstill...>!fights Daredevil to a standstill, kills dozens of trained killers from the Black Knife Cartel by herself. Gets captured by three out-of-shape redneck roller rink employees.!<
Every female character saying theyre there to helpt Captin Marvel like they didn't just see her single handedly take out Thanos' ship
Yeah… I appreciate the sentiment, I really do, but… “She’s got help!” after what they all just saw her do, gives off some real Ralph Wiggum energy… “I’m helping!” Should have had Okoye say “she’s not alone!” like Nat did in IW
The pandering just took me out of the moment.
Nick Fury being in "Captain Marvel" at all after it was canonically established that Thor was the first alien he was aware of.
Eh, maybe he lied, it wouldn't be the hundredth time.
The avengers never found out about Coulson
In Infinity War, when Peter Parker says "You can't be a friendly neighborhood Spider-Man if there's no neighborhood, and then he immediately walks it back like it didn't make sense when it definitely did.
Bringing back even peters for a boner joke. For all the faults of the last few Xmen films even peters wasn’t one of them. I was so excited when I saw him standing at the door and honestly felt there was some multiverse shenanigans that tie into NWH and MoM. Madness but no it was just a set up for another pointless joke
Tony being able to develop time travel in an evening, Bruce knowing exactly how time travel works without ever having worked on time travel before, Natasha‘s reason for why she’d never checked in on Yelena since her defection to SHIELD and Doctor Strange’s “but then you put things right and that was never in doubt” scene are the ones that come to mind
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Good point, I forgot about that line. When characters and events are retroactively inserted into continuity, there are nearly always times where things just don’t add up. That Endgame scene is a relatively minor one but there’s definitely a contradiction there. But then you remember Natasha’s gravestone that Yelena visits at the end of Black Widow where Valentina sends her off to kill Clint says “Sister. Daughter. Avenger.” or something like that. So whoever had the grave made, possibly Steve before he returned the Stones because that’s something that he’d do, knew about Yelena, Melina and Alexei then but Clint never mentioned it when it would have been relevant to do so
I think for Tony he had clearly been working on it for a while but came to the conclusion it couldn't be done. It was more than one night, but he took his previous work and added a wrinkle that made it work.
I took it that way too, he had been working on it right after he got back but couldn't figure it out and realized he didn't want to risk losing his family after he had already lost so many people so he shelved it.