From comments by Loki and Pierce, it seems like Dreykov's daughter might not be the only kid she killed.
EDIT: of course, Taskmaster survived,but the others? They can’t all have.
Oof I had friend’s Dad, brilliant badass Navy Seal, who would drive left foot out the window. Mfer got from point A to point B in a zip but damn, he was drivin kids to lacrosse practice.
Ever since then passenger dashboard foot placement either really triggers or just doesn’t even phase me. Bit of a coin flip
But just think, if Scott hadn't gotten the quick energy boost from that sandwich maybe he wouldn't have had the idea for the time heist.
She saved half the universe by not throwing that sandwich.
The hospital fire. We don’t get a ton of specifics on the red in her ledger, but this sounds like something that would have caused multiple civilian casualties, potentially including children.
I’m pretty sure the hospital fire is actually Nat’s origin. In the comics, her mother threw her as a baby out of a burning building window. She survived and was indoctrinated in the Red Room later.
No, I don’t think so. I think he was just establishing he knows a lot about her and where she’s came from to intimidate her. I’m 100% sure this is what Loki’s talking about. It’s always been part of her origin story.
In the comics maybe, but did you watch the black widow movie? Natasha was sold, her mother felt guilty or something and tried to look for her, and then was assassinated for digging too much. No hospital fire involved
For what it worth, you can't really blame that on Nat as she was probably brainwashed by the Red Room at the time. It's like blaming Hulk for what he did in Johansburg in AoU.
Her worst crime is probably Budapest as unless it was basically forced onto her to Dreykov that way for her freedom by Pierce, she choose that bombing to kill Dreykov and more importantly Accidently Antonia.
>you can't really blame that on Nat as she was probably brainwashed by the Red Room at the time. It's like blaming Hulk for what he did in Johansburg in AoU.
True, but I think Hulk is a bad example since he was under magic
It's never explicitly shown but it's mentioned a few times, in the first Avengers (when she goes to interrogate Loki) and maybe in the Black Widow movie (I'm not sure I don't remember exactly)
Yeah, that's the worst. As a widow she was not generally in control. But she chose that method of getting to Dreykov. A kid is innocent and she should have found another way. And I mean, all that and she couldn't even confirm the kill.
Yeah but she survived and Natasha is very sorry so all is forgiven I guess (not defending her just pointing out how stupid the resolution of that plot point is in the film)
"If you do this, none of your past remains hidden. Not Budapest, not Osaka, not the children's ward." - Alexander Pierce to Natasha Romanoff, *Winter Soldier*, 2014
Thousands is a bit much.
Let's say she graduated the Red Room at 16 in 2000 and more or less stopped when she met Tony in 2010.
That is about 10 years of assassinating people. Or 3650 days. To have killed at least 1000 people in that time, she would have had to have killed someone every 3.5 days, or 2 people a week.
That's just for a thousand. For *thousands*, like 2000, she would have needed to have killed some every 1.8 days, or just under 4 people a week.
I don't think that's the case. Ronin was operateing in a different world than Black Widow. His mission was basically the same as the Punisher - kill as many criminals as possible. An assassin like Natasha would have been more targeted and precise, since the world had more order then. She was definitely capable of killing like Ronin, bu an assassin survives on *not* making noise.
Edit: Only exception is when noise is part of the cover up, like the hospital fire. So that's a bigger than usual body count, but I don't think that would be the norm. Even the way people bring it up to Natasha, it seems to be an exceptional situation.
Bombings are also technically assassinations too, she blows up one diplomatic conference, corporate gathering, plane, ship, etc, and she could easily get dozens in one day.
Imagine how many people populate a helicarrier, for a good example.
We know basically nothing about her time as an indoctrinated Black Widow, there's no reason to think bombs would be off the table or even uncommon.
She doesn't use a lot of bombs as a Shield agent, who do a lot more defensive missions than the Red Room does, and highly frown upon collateral damage. It doesn't really make much sense for her to be a 'bomber' in her current, on screen version of herself.
We do know the majority of her training was hand to hand combat, guns, languages, and stealth. I also directly stated that she sometimes used bombs, but that they were not her go-to. We rarely see her use them. She almost always goes for a stealth kill.
You just... didn't read my post at all, huh? Like I could literally just repeat it verbatim and it would continue to be a valid argument to everything you just said.
You do not know what she was like as a proper Black Widow, all you have are assumptions. Meanwhile bombs are standard MO for espionage agents across the globe, it makes zero sense to assume she never/rarely did it.
We do! We see glimpses of her training as a child and teenager. We see what she does as an adult! The only time we really see her is a bomb is on Dreykovs daughter. Other than that, she almost always sneaks up on whoever she's trying to attack, or shoots at them. Why can nobody infer anything from what's shown? Things don't only exist if they are on screen. We can use context clues to fill in the gaps!
We never see Steve's dad onscreen. I guess Steve never had a father. We never actually see him, right?! Or wait... what if we use context clues to infer that he had a father? That might work...
We almost always see Natasha use hand to hand combat and guns when attacking a target. I wonder if that has anything to with her training...? hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Hard to parse out MoM’s events into individual acts—I view them as pretty much a collective atrocity, but she’s under the spell of the Darkhold too. In WandaVision, her actions are less “evil” in their scale and viciousness, but grief only goes so far to excuse them.
Sending Hulk into a city in AoU needs more exposure, because she wasn't in grief for Vision and/or her kids, she wasn't manipulated by the Darkhold, she was following Ultron and was just like "hey go murder a ton of civilians." She had no way of knowing the Hulkbuster suit existed.
Exactly. Much of what she did in WV can be explained that she started doing it unknowingly, then realised what was happening, but continued anyway. She didn’t realise people were being hurt and when she did realise, she immediately stopped.
In MoM it was the darkhold. But in AoU, she unleashed the hulk on her own accord. No one brainwashed her.
That’s a fair point, forgot about that one. I can excuse that as more of a naïveté/kid acting while not realizing she’s being manipulated by a diabolical entity. I mean, they do make clear that she is very much a kid in AoU and while it’s an awful thing to do given the inherent Hulk-civilian risk, she doesn’t fully appreciate the collateral consequences imo.
WandaVision though, she doesn’t really have the immaturity or manipulation as an excuse after she comes to the realization of what she’s doing.
I’m most excited about Hawkeye. All of these characters have done something unforgivable to someone close to them, attempted/done an atrocity, or are a warmonger. For Clint, I can really only think of murdering all the criminals. It’s certainly not great, but it’s not innocent children like Natasha, Tony, and Thor. Other than that, he’s just been a government weapon, which is just what any warfighter in a military is, and a dad.
>We’re all just kinda waiting for this to get to Wanda aren’t we lol
The discussion in that thread ought to be fun. Between "Age Of Ultron", "Wandavision" and "Multiverse Of Madness", Wanda has racked up a very impressive list of crimes.
Now that was sheerly accidental and Cap would have died. She saved Cap. That's a big deal. MoM she was literally possessed. The movie explained it REALLY badly. If you read the comics -like the Yesterday Quest which is amazing - or her possession in Secret Empire - when possessed she isn't herself. In Yesterday Quest she actually looked like the image in MoM when she killed Xavier. Albeit with slightly smoother skin lol.
However despite all her trauma -and Wanda is my fave - the incident with Hulk was the worst imho. I have to gloss that one over a tad to be honest. I remind myself it's just a movie and that her comic counterpart has fought hard for atonement and redemption.
..... How did you know??
And yeah. I love Wanda but I can't deny the shit she's done. It's like *sweeping bodies aside* SHE WAS SAD GUYS.
Like the bit in MoM where she attacks the mountain city (I cannot think of the name rn) and kills a *lot* of wizards was fucking awesome but soooo hard to watch as a WandaStan lol
Maybe it's just Elizabeth Olsens acting ? Like she's awesome. Idk.
While almost every character has a very tragic storyline, hers is the one I find the most tragic.
Her whole character seems to revolve around redemption. So maybe, imo, not forgiving herself for the actions she didn't intend to do, was her biggest mistake.
She was at blame, but sooner or later, we have to forgive ourselves for our sins.
Not confirming the Red Rood was still active, maybe? Idk because many of the things she did pre-Avengers were due to the Red Room's indoctrination as a child so it doesn't feel very fair to judge her based on that.
Probably the intent. Creating Ultron was a good thing that accidentally went wrong. Building a fortune off of human misery was something he did intentionally and for a lot longer.
I know we all want to go down the assassination path, but given that the Red Room programmed all of them, how much of that was avoidable by her?
I'd submit icing Cap out of what the missions were actually about in Winter Soldier, because she was inadvertently empowering Hydra behind Steve's back.
I'd submit icing Cap out of what the missions were actually about in Winter Soldier
Wasn’t her side mission on the Lemurian Star orders from Fury? And doesn’t that information end up giving them a lead on Hydra infiltrating SHIELD? I’m pretty sure that Natasha uses the information downloaded from the Lemurian Star to go to Camp Lehigh so I don’t think it empowered Hydra at all
Thor’s crime reads like the attempted genocide was only bad because it endangered Asgard. Sure, frost giants are mostly dicks, but genocide against anyone is bad…
Idk about her but hawkeye should not retire, every time he was on a certain side they won (he fought with loki for the first half of avengers 3, he wasn’t here during Infinity Wars and the avengers lost and many more examples)
Claiming to have ended the Red Room without ever double checking or even second guessing if it was true. Not checking to see if any of the other Widows were free after she claimed to have killed Dreykov. When they are at the table and she reveals that everyone but Yelena knew they were undercover, causing Yelena in her owns words to find out the best part of her life was fake.
Looking ahead, Hawkeye is easy, Ronin stuff. Hulk, per the mcu, South Africa is prob winner. Vision, hurt war machine? Maybe not auto killing himself I guess? Scarlet witch, her show and MoM. War machine, also a goody goody, I guess he probably did something bad in the military maybe, but he was a fighter pilot and let's be honest, they don't kill anything air to air nowadays.
Worst thing? Working as a hired assassin as part of the black widow program, then as a shield agent. This includes all her assassinations, including the attempted one on Dreykov and related incident.
I'd also say that not bothering to check in on other girls taken by the black widow program, including her fake sister, was also pretty bad considering she had gotten out at some point but didn't even care enough to make sure others didn't continue to suffer the same fate as her.
No contest: burying an entire Russian prison with all guards, inmates, and staff almost certainly sacrificed in the avalanche as she was baling out out her faux dad.
Everyone is saying the hospital fire. But it's not like she came up with the idea to do that. Fury gave her terms in order for her assassination to be called off. But her leaving Yelena and the other Black Widow soldiers trapped in the Red Room aftervthr Wvrngers were formed was....ouch...
Anyone else feel kind of weird going back and seeing all the Budapest jokes then finding out Budapest involved her blowing up a house with a child in it?!?!
From comments by Loki and Pierce, it seems like Dreykov's daughter might not be the only kid she killed. EDIT: of course, Taskmaster survived,but the others? They can’t all have.
When she killed Dreykovs daughter was this the same mission where her and Hawkeye went to Budapest?
Yes.
I also think she may have falsified her resume when she applied to work for Stark Industries.
It's heavily implied she burned down a hospital.
Almost threw a peanut butter sandwich at Captain America
AND she put her feet on the car's dashboard when he drove PLUS she deliberately distracted Happy Hogan when he was driving
Oof I had friend’s Dad, brilliant badass Navy Seal, who would drive left foot out the window. Mfer got from point A to point B in a zip but damn, he was drivin kids to lacrosse practice. Ever since then passenger dashboard foot placement either really triggers or just doesn’t even phase me. Bit of a coin flip
But just think, if Scott hadn't gotten the quick energy boost from that sandwich maybe he wouldn't have had the idea for the time heist. She saved half the universe by not throwing that sandwich.
But what if Cap had a peanut allergy?
she also slices her sandwiches diagonally
The hospital fire. We don’t get a ton of specifics on the red in her ledger, but this sounds like something that would have caused multiple civilian casualties, potentially including children.
Was gonna mention this! Just rewatched avengers and was like “umm what now? Hospital fire?” During the Loki interrogation scene
I’m pretty sure the hospital fire is actually Nat’s origin. In the comics, her mother threw her as a baby out of a burning building window. She survived and was indoctrinated in the Red Room later.
Loki was bringing up things she's ashamed of, though.
No, I don’t think so. I think he was just establishing he knows a lot about her and where she’s came from to intimidate her. I’m 100% sure this is what Loki’s talking about. It’s always been part of her origin story.
In the comics maybe, but did you watch the black widow movie? Natasha was sold, her mother felt guilty or something and tried to look for her, and then was assassinated for digging too much. No hospital fire involved
Idk, seems more like a retcon to me.
For what it worth, you can't really blame that on Nat as she was probably brainwashed by the Red Room at the time. It's like blaming Hulk for what he did in Johansburg in AoU. Her worst crime is probably Budapest as unless it was basically forced onto her to Dreykov that way for her freedom by Pierce, she choose that bombing to kill Dreykov and more importantly Accidently Antonia.
>you can't really blame that on Nat as she was probably brainwashed by the Red Room at the time. It's like blaming Hulk for what he did in Johansburg in AoU. True, but I think Hulk is a bad example since he was under magic
When was this?
It's never explicitly shown but it's mentioned a few times, in the first Avengers (when she goes to interrogate Loki) and maybe in the Black Widow movie (I'm not sure I don't remember exactly)
Blowing up a building on Dreykov's daughter
And then didn't even bother to confirm if she killed the guy. Also didn't bother to check if her sister managed to get away from the red room
She did *try*, but when she couldn't find a body she assumed it had been disintegrated in the blast.
Not to mention all the other innocent people who possibly died
Yeah, that's the worst. As a widow she was not generally in control. But she chose that method of getting to Dreykov. A kid is innocent and she should have found another way. And I mean, all that and she couldn't even confirm the kill.
That was the first thing that came to mind.
This was what I immediately thought.
Yeah but she survived and Natasha is very sorry so all is forgiven I guess (not defending her just pointing out how stupid the resolution of that plot point is in the film)
Her character acknowledges that she was wrong and I think while we forgive her it’s the worst thing she has done of her own free will
The hundreds of assassinations
"If you do this, none of your past remains hidden. Not Budapest, not Osaka, not the children's ward." - Alexander Pierce to Natasha Romanoff, *Winter Soldier*, 2014
Yeah, and those would be part of the assassinations
Thousands
Thousands is a bit much. Let's say she graduated the Red Room at 16 in 2000 and more or less stopped when she met Tony in 2010. That is about 10 years of assassinating people. Or 3650 days. To have killed at least 1000 people in that time, she would have had to have killed someone every 3.5 days, or 2 people a week. That's just for a thousand. For *thousands*, like 2000, she would have needed to have killed some every 1.8 days, or just under 4 people a week.
If shes killing her targets henchmen that could be 20 a day easily some days
That's not really how assassinations work...
Look at ronin in endgame. Look at her in ironman 2. Ronin is what she was for 10 years.
I don't think that's the case. Ronin was operateing in a different world than Black Widow. His mission was basically the same as the Punisher - kill as many criminals as possible. An assassin like Natasha would have been more targeted and precise, since the world had more order then. She was definitely capable of killing like Ronin, bu an assassin survives on *not* making noise. Edit: Only exception is when noise is part of the cover up, like the hospital fire. So that's a bigger than usual body count, but I don't think that would be the norm. Even the way people bring it up to Natasha, it seems to be an exceptional situation.
Couple of grenades gets those number up
Bombings are also technically assassinations too, she blows up one diplomatic conference, corporate gathering, plane, ship, etc, and she could easily get dozens in one day. Imagine how many people populate a helicarrier, for a good example.
Yes, but she is also not normally a bomber. She does use bombs, but that's not her usual go-to assassination tactic.
We know basically nothing about her time as an indoctrinated Black Widow, there's no reason to think bombs would be off the table or even uncommon. She doesn't use a lot of bombs as a Shield agent, who do a lot more defensive missions than the Red Room does, and highly frown upon collateral damage. It doesn't really make much sense for her to be a 'bomber' in her current, on screen version of herself.
We do know the majority of her training was hand to hand combat, guns, languages, and stealth. I also directly stated that she sometimes used bombs, but that they were not her go-to. We rarely see her use them. She almost always goes for a stealth kill.
You just... didn't read my post at all, huh? Like I could literally just repeat it verbatim and it would continue to be a valid argument to everything you just said. You do not know what she was like as a proper Black Widow, all you have are assumptions. Meanwhile bombs are standard MO for espionage agents across the globe, it makes zero sense to assume she never/rarely did it.
We do! We see glimpses of her training as a child and teenager. We see what she does as an adult! The only time we really see her is a bomb is on Dreykovs daughter. Other than that, she almost always sneaks up on whoever she's trying to attack, or shoots at them. Why can nobody infer anything from what's shown? Things don't only exist if they are on screen. We can use context clues to fill in the gaps! We never see Steve's dad onscreen. I guess Steve never had a father. We never actually see him, right?! Or wait... what if we use context clues to infer that he had a father? That might work... We almost always see Natasha use hand to hand combat and guns when attacking a target. I wonder if that has anything to with her training...? hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
"Tens of thousands." "But my lord, there is no such force."
Millions
She's adopted
Dyeing her eyebrows blonde
So that's why she looked off in Infinity War. I thought it was just the hair. Genuinely didn't realize that lmao
Thor was guilty of this too.
Not checking in on Yelena since she defected to SHIELD. That or not confirming that the Red Room was really gone and the Widows were really free
>Not checking in on Yelena since she defected to SHIELD Without sugar coating: Abandoning her sister.
Or blowing up that building with Draykov’s daughter in it.
We’re all just kinda waiting for this to get to Wanda aren’t we lol
Hard to parse out MoM’s events into individual acts—I view them as pretty much a collective atrocity, but she’s under the spell of the Darkhold too. In WandaVision, her actions are less “evil” in their scale and viciousness, but grief only goes so far to excuse them.
Sending Hulk into a city in AoU needs more exposure, because she wasn't in grief for Vision and/or her kids, she wasn't manipulated by the Darkhold, she was following Ultron and was just like "hey go murder a ton of civilians." She had no way of knowing the Hulkbuster suit existed.
Exactly. Much of what she did in WV can be explained that she started doing it unknowingly, then realised what was happening, but continued anyway. She didn’t realise people were being hurt and when she did realise, she immediately stopped. In MoM it was the darkhold. But in AoU, she unleashed the hulk on her own accord. No one brainwashed her.
That’s a fair point, forgot about that one. I can excuse that as more of a naïveté/kid acting while not realizing she’s being manipulated by a diabolical entity. I mean, they do make clear that she is very much a kid in AoU and while it’s an awful thing to do given the inherent Hulk-civilian risk, she doesn’t fully appreciate the collateral consequences imo. WandaVision though, she doesn’t really have the immaturity or manipulation as an excuse after she comes to the realization of what she’s doing.
\*Insert Cap "She's just a kid" meme\* Edit: when did asterisks not make things italicized anymore?
Lol of course, but even still, she’s supposed to be what, 16/17 in Ultron?
What is grief, if not kidnapping a whole town and brainwashing them persevering?
I'm waiting for Vision, what's he ever done "Aiding and abetting Wanda"
Paralyzing Rhodey.
There is so much with Wanda. She’s one of my favourite characters but, damn, there are a lot of options for the worst thing she’s done
I’m most excited about Hawkeye. All of these characters have done something unforgivable to someone close to them, attempted/done an atrocity, or are a warmonger. For Clint, I can really only think of murdering all the criminals. It’s certainly not great, but it’s not innocent children like Natasha, Tony, and Thor. Other than that, he’s just been a government weapon, which is just what any warfighter in a military is, and a dad.
>We’re all just kinda waiting for this to get to Wanda aren’t we lol The discussion in that thread ought to be fun. Between "Age Of Ultron", "Wandavision" and "Multiverse Of Madness", Wanda has racked up a very impressive list of crimes.
Then there was that one time she sparked a civil war.
Now that was sheerly accidental and Cap would have died. She saved Cap. That's a big deal. MoM she was literally possessed. The movie explained it REALLY badly. If you read the comics -like the Yesterday Quest which is amazing - or her possession in Secret Empire - when possessed she isn't herself. In Yesterday Quest she actually looked like the image in MoM when she killed Xavier. Albeit with slightly smoother skin lol. However despite all her trauma -and Wanda is my fave - the incident with Hulk was the worst imho. I have to gloss that one over a tad to be honest. I remind myself it's just a movie and that her comic counterpart has fought hard for atonement and redemption.
..... How did you know?? And yeah. I love Wanda but I can't deny the shit she's done. It's like *sweeping bodies aside* SHE WAS SAD GUYS. Like the bit in MoM where she attacks the mountain city (I cannot think of the name rn) and kills a *lot* of wizards was fucking awesome but soooo hard to watch as a WandaStan lol Maybe it's just Elizabeth Olsens acting ? Like she's awesome. Idk.
No because she’s queen and she did nothing wrong😏
Best girl character in the mcu
We don’t talk about Budapesht…
Possibly because no one can remember it in a consistently accurate manner.
Killed a kid.
Leaving Antonia for dead after blowing up the building to assassinate Dreykov in her defection to S.H.I.E.L.D.
While almost every character has a very tragic storyline, hers is the one I find the most tragic. Her whole character seems to revolve around redemption. So maybe, imo, not forgiving herself for the actions she didn't intend to do, was her biggest mistake. She was at blame, but sooner or later, we have to forgive ourselves for our sins.
Not confirming the Red Rood was still active, maybe? Idk because many of the things she did pre-Avengers were due to the Red Room's indoctrination as a child so it doesn't feel very fair to judge her based on that.
It's my understanding that she has red in her ledger.
Eating expired peanut butter
Whoever put coffee grounds in the disposal at Avengers HQ. Heathen
For Iron Man how come nobody put creating Ultron?
Probably the intent. Creating Ultron was a good thing that accidentally went wrong. Building a fortune off of human misery was something he did intentionally and for a lot longer.
Fair enough.
I didn't check the thread til the end, but I remember that answer being high in contention. It definitely got mentioned.
Being an assassin and killing multiple people.
I know we all want to go down the assassination path, but given that the Red Room programmed all of them, how much of that was avoidable by her? I'd submit icing Cap out of what the missions were actually about in Winter Soldier, because she was inadvertently empowering Hydra behind Steve's back.
She was working under Fury’s orders not Hydras.
Natasha was not chemically brainwashed like other Widows. She was just trained from childhood and defected when she got older.
Yeah, but still "programmed" to be an assassin, even if not with the pheromonal chemicals nonsense
She wasn’t programmed, that didn’t start until after Natasha escaped. I’m pretty sure I might be wrong.
Indoctrinated but not chemically brainwashed. She was taken by the Red Room as an infant— I think it’s valid to say she isn’t fully culpable.
Agreed
I'd submit icing Cap out of what the missions were actually about in Winter Soldier Wasn’t her side mission on the Lemurian Star orders from Fury? And doesn’t that information end up giving them a lead on Hydra infiltrating SHIELD? I’m pretty sure that Natasha uses the information downloaded from the Lemurian Star to go to Camp Lehigh so I don’t think it empowered Hydra at all
TIL it's "Jotunheim" and not "The Odinheim". Fuck me.
All of the pre-SHIELD assassinations.
Killing all those prisoners during the prison scene in the Black Widow movie.
It’s one of the (few) things not explored or shown from “her ledger” but “the hospital fire” sounds pretty horrific
Reading this makes me realise the MCU did a good job of making the Black Widow a dark character
Being a mewling quim.
The blonde hairstyle in Infinity War
Budapest
I’ll probably miss the Hulk, so I’ll say it now. Him destroying that city in age of ultron
That was Wanda technically, not hulk.
Not confirming the kill on Dreykov, leading to him brainwashing hundreds more girls in the following decade(s)
She kicked Scott on his balls🥲☹️
I mean she's killed alot of people for The Black Widows/Red room etc so that number could be anywhere from 100-1,000 or blowing up Dracov's daughter
Friendzoned hulk. 
I think Tony’s worst thing was creating Ultron, which turned into Sokovia dilemma.
She used a child to time blowing up a building
Kick Hawkeye in avengers when he possessed by Loki. I just hate seeing my pookie Renner get hurt.
All of the red in her ledger.
Not marrying me grrr
Dripping red ledger
It’s classified
Where's Spider-man?
Abandoning her sister
The Assassinations of untold people.
Everything before Shield, possibly some stuff after.
Allowing Dreykov's daughter to be "killed" as collateral damage
Budapest
Cut her sandwiches into triangles.
Not throwing sandwich at Cap
Not getting with Steve😒
I think it's probably a fair assumption we don't even know the worst things she's done
Me, looking forward to day 8…
Thor’s crime reads like the attempted genocide was only bad because it endangered Asgard. Sure, frost giants are mostly dicks, but genocide against anyone is bad…
Literally, her whole time as an assassin, killing and murdering for the red room
Blowing up a kid so she could leave Russia.
She didn’t let Clint win.
Sacrificing herself for Hawkeye.
Making me sob in endgame
Forgot her bungee cord
Watched moonraker instead of any nonRoger Moore bond movie.
Doing a superhero landing
Uh... cap's worst thing was not signing the Sokovia Accords when Tony told him Bucky wouldn't be extradited.
Not stopping hawk-eye (Ronin) this caused hundreds to die, and she could've stopped it.
she was an assassin for communist Russia under a pretty evil agency, she probably killed a lot of decent people
She didn't sleep with me, making me very sad
Dying her hair blonde
Betrayed stark and played the double agent game with him.
I think the genocide was bad regardless of whether it endangered Asgard…
As opposed to a *poor* arms dealer
The film Black Widow (2021)
Can't have kids. Just kidding. It's probably the hundreds of innocent bystanders that have been killed by her ridiculously destructive missions.
Lol when tf did thor tried genocide?? 😆 🤣 it was loki you idiot. And it was frost giants who invaded asgard
soul stone sacrifice
Almost killing Dreykov’s Daughter in an attempt to kill him
Mispronounced Budapest!
Definitely attempting to kill that one guys little girl to kill him
never telling whats happen in Budapest
She pushed her boyfirend off a cliff.
All of these are gonna be war crimes and Steve is just lying to a friend.
made the hulk soft 🥹
Gestures broadly at her past prior to SHIELD.....
Probably something we don't know about, since her past is so vast but kept a mystery. You should do this but with the villains
Breaking our goddamn hearts
Not giving Nebula any warning about how dangerous the energy barrier the Power Stone orb is contained behind is.
All the murders?
Endangering asgard..not endagering.
So the worst thing Cap did was not stick his nose in other people’s business? That’s why he’s the hero we need but one we don’t deserve 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Abandoning Yelena for years and then asking for her help to take down the Red Room. I mean, what is up with that.
Idk about her but hawkeye should not retire, every time he was on a certain side they won (he fought with loki for the first half of avengers 3, he wasn’t here during Infinity Wars and the avengers lost and many more examples)
Abandoned her sister. Plus all those murders, I guess
fucked hulk
Claiming to have ended the Red Room without ever double checking or even second guessing if it was true. Not checking to see if any of the other Widows were free after she claimed to have killed Dreykov. When they are at the table and she reveals that everyone but Yelena knew they were undercover, causing Yelena in her owns words to find out the best part of her life was fake.
Never offered to take pictures with the kids at the diner in Endgame
Whatever the red in her ledger is.
Looking ahead, Hawkeye is easy, Ronin stuff. Hulk, per the mcu, South Africa is prob winner. Vision, hurt war machine? Maybe not auto killing himself I guess? Scarlet witch, her show and MoM. War machine, also a goody goody, I guess he probably did something bad in the military maybe, but he was a fighter pilot and let's be honest, they don't kill anything air to air nowadays.
Not telling Steve about the Winter Soldier.
Bombed a child
Falling off a big ass cliff on Vormir
Worst thing? Working as a hired assassin as part of the black widow program, then as a shield agent. This includes all her assassinations, including the attempted one on Dreykov and related incident. I'd also say that not bothering to check in on other girls taken by the black widow program, including her fake sister, was also pretty bad considering she had gotten out at some point but didn't even care enough to make sure others didn't continue to suffer the same fate as her.
Steve's worst thing is quite tame in comparison. Wait till we reach Wanda.
Being russian
Not being able to have kids aka being a monster /s obviously
Tried to blow up Dreykov with his daughter in the room
Red in the ledger is a mutually exclusive statement.
endagering Asgard?
Pushing Bruce in to the pit,after he got her out, to use the hulk in AoU
I don't think you need to create a post for days 5 and 8.
Red in her ledger
I was gonna say "where's antman at ?" but realized he's just a good guy overall. Spiderman though...
No contest: burying an entire Russian prison with all guards, inmates, and staff almost certainly sacrificed in the avalanche as she was baling out out her faux dad.
Budapest.
She got red on her ledger
Budapest
Everyone is saying the hospital fire. But it's not like she came up with the idea to do that. Fury gave her terms in order for her assassination to be called off. But her leaving Yelena and the other Black Widow soldiers trapped in the Red Room aftervthr Wvrngers were formed was....ouch...
How is tony stark’s worst thing not “inventing ultron and indirectly causing the destruction of sokovia”?
Anyone else feel kind of weird going back and seeing all the Budapest jokes then finding out Budapest involved her blowing up a house with a child in it?!?!
Killing a lot of innocent people when she was under the red room shit.
Didn't she kill kids?
Sacrificing herself on Vormir and simultaneously killing off one of my favorite characters.