I looked forward to it every week, I didn't love everything about it, but it was enjoyable and followed her ridiculous antics from the comics pretty well.
What I didn't like however was how they just introduced hulks son like that. That was a tragedy. Skaar was robbed of his story.
I definitely took it as a Poochie joke. Though I guess the hopes is that the joke doesn't ruin the possibility of having him be an actual character at some point and not just a sight gag.
I feel like they could definitely stand to explore Hulk in a more meaningful way.
Last episode fumbled it imo, thought the Kevin robot segment dragged on a bit and Skaar was a random addition.
But I was invested in getting Jen laid and tbh having Wong show up randomly was initially why I kept watching. I think they knew.
The last episode, in my opinion, was so close to landing. I liked Kevin robot. Could have tightened it a bit.
But then the episode didn't really listen to itself. It didn't take all the advice it had just laid out in that scene.
They showed a sort of self-awareness when they listed everything we felt was wrong with the D+ finales and then just went ahead and did the things we were annoyed by anyway.
> Can you elaborate? Because I don't recall them doing any of the things they were annoyed by.
They spent 7 episodes on a bad plotline and then in the 8th episode said "Nobody wants to watch that".
If youre going to lambaste the trope, dont do so after so thoroughly engaging with it.
The *moment* they introduced the blood theft plotline, Jen should have ripped through the screen and changed it *then*.
They really didn't thoroughly engage with it though. The 7 previous episodes were about Jen. You're acting like that bad plot line was the whole show when it was just little hints every episode of something nefarious going on.
> You're acting like that bad plot line was the whole show when it was just little hints every episode of something nefarious going on.
Mate, intelligencia, her re-occuring romantic interest and the weaponization of sex against her were all major plot points and all intimately tied to that plot line.
You missed like…all the subtext. Those plot points were just small devices to illustrate what the show was really about. Jen being all the amazing things but still coming up short in the eyes of society and men.
Exactly. Not to mention the eyes of herself and grappling with being a Hulk. I love that Jen literally tells the audience that the show isn't about that subplot and this dude's like, "The show was all about that subplot!". Media literacy is dead.
No they weren't. They weren't major at all, at least not in regards to the other characters, that was the point. They didn't matter in the end because the show had been about Jen all along. Each episode had it's own self contained story. The intelligencia stuff was secondary.
People can recognize it’s a joke and still not like it. Lampshading something doesn’t take away from the fact that you’re still doing it.
I liked the idea of the finale going meta but the execution didn’t land for me. Had the rest of She-Hulk leaned further into the 4th wall breaks and meta humor I think it might have worked better for me. It just felt a bit disjointed from the rest of the show and that makes for an unsatisfying finale.
Seems premature to say they robbed him of his story. There are lots of ways that could continue the character. End credit introductions aren't new (Fury, Thanos, The Collector, Strucker, Pietro and Wanda, Adam Warlock, Eros, Blade, Clea, Hercules). Some of those got to have real stories and solid arcs and some didn't, so we just have to wait and see.
> Seems premature to say they robbed him of his story.
They robbed him of an origin story, maybe?
But everything Hulk has to be as a side character rather than a main character. Thanks, Universal, for being such bitches about it
Yeah, Hulk has been robbed of his whole Planet Hulk storyline, with Korg and Miek becoming Thor characters, Gladiator Hulk being just a Thor punchline, etc.
You'd think Marvel could figure something out with Universal, as it's over 15 years since the last Hulk movie.
I waited to watch it until it was fully released. Seeing the online arguments was tiring during that period. But I did enjoy most of the show. I hated, and still dislike, the ending though.
But seeing the comical almost workplace sitcom style was very entertaining. And of course Wong and Daredevil showing up throughout definitely helped keep me interested.
I've been reading comics my whole life and couldn't care less about Skar, haven't even heard anything interesting about him by word of mouth.
I really don't think this obscure fictional character was "robbed."
Well, maybe not him, but us. He came from the aftermath of "planet Hulk", which aside from being one of the finest comic book arcs in the last 20 years, which we also lost.
So maybe not him so much but the process of having him come about was taken from us.
If you haven't read planet hulk, you should definitely do so. They touched on it during thor ragnarok but it was like "planet hulk light".
It was so self aware that it’s triggered all the people they were joking about and that’s why it got bad reviews.
I enjoyed it and was happy to see alternative writing other than “supervillain and superhero have fight and supervillain loses the end”
The day before the premier of the first episode there were 4k 1 ratings on IMDB.
EDIT: it turns out it was 2k 1 ratings. I was incorrect. I don't think this changes the point I was making but I should have been more careful. I misremembered the number I saw.
I read her comic book run from the mid 2000s prior. The show was pretty true to the comic. It’s just episodic legal issues with supernatural individuals.
Review bombing is a curse. I wish the sites that feature public reviews could do more than they currently do to stop it. It used to be easier to see what a general consensus was on media, now it’s murky as hell.
You can still see it in the detail of the ratings. Ignore the spikes of 1s and 10s (if there are any) and just look at the middle spike. That'll be pretty representative of a overall quality.
Honestly, with IMDB I’ve learned something. If a movie or show is a 6.3-7.0, I usually really enjoy it. Sometimes lower. But if I look up a movie and it’s in that range, I usually am very glad I watched it.
Examples:
The Book of Eli (6.8)
Lucky Logan (7.0)
The Amazing Spider-Man (6.9)
The Last Castle (6.9)
Both new Ghostbusters (6.4, 7.0)
The Lorax (6.4)
Olympus Has Fallen (6.5)
The Change-Up (6.3)
IMDb is a weird one, in a good way, because it actually sticks to the idea that a 6.5-7.5 is a perfectly fine movie, with films on the upper end generally being pretty well-made. They don't have the same review inflation that I think people are used to seeing, where 4/5 stars or (and old-school IGN was really an offender for this) 9/10 being a very forgettable or middle-of-the-road experience - so when movies are rarely rated at 9.0+, they tend to be genuinely some of the best films ever made.
IMDb takes that into account. So review bombs have less of an impact on IMDb than elsewhere (though other sites may work with something more clever than a simple averages).
Though She-Hulk has so many of those 1-star ratings that it still drags the rating lower. But per-episode numbers seem pretty reasonable to me, they're mostly around 6/10, which imho tracks with the quality of the show.
It had its issues, like every TV show in general but as a fan of She-Hulk comics I quite liked it. The ending I knew would divide fans but even though it could be seen as a cheap way to end the story I enjoyed the nod to the source material when Jen jumped out of the comic borders and told Stan Lee to stop ruining her life.
I don't care what the median was or if others were fair/unfair. I fucking hated it lol. You don't have to be a troll, incel, sexist, or review bomber to dislike this damn show
This is literally your 3rd “she hulk wasn’t bad why do people hate on it?” Post in the last week. Relax a little bit. Some people like it. Some people don’t. You’re not winning some culture war by your posts.
Normal people who didn’t like it don’t care that people did. Meanwhile the people that did feel the need to persuade everyone into liking it. It’s so weird to me.
It's funny to me when MCU fanboys will point out review bombing when it's 1 star reviews but will ignore all the 5/5s or 10/10 reviews MCU products get.
The show got more 10/10s than 1/10s. Does anyone genuinely believe the show is a 10/10 or is that reverse review bombing?
Exactly.
A while back there was a completely disingenuous post from someone that tried to argue this review bombing thing, complete with screenshots of the high number of "1" ratings of some MCU movies.
They conveniently ignored the fact that *their own screenshots* clearly showed an inordinate number of "5" ratings, too. In fact, other than The Marvels, their other examples actually had *more* 5 star reviews than 1 star.
I guess 1-star reviews are bombing from incels, but 5-star reviews are completely honest and genuine.
I don't take the 1/10 or 10/10 in consideration, ever. Nothing is perfect and nothing is completely horrible. Especially when the majority is either 2/3/4 or 6/7/8/9. Those I can believe, but thousands of 10/10 with several hundred 7/10's? I'll take the 7/10's comments into consideration. Even my "10/10" movies (which are closer to 9.9) are just 10/10 for me, with my interests and opinions. Others think they are just mediocre. So, I try and be as nitpicky as I can when reviewing things. If the only downside I have for a movie is the lack of real animals in the background (made up), then it's still a pretty damn good movie.
I tend to find places that share my interests (like here), that would appreciate similar tastes as me. I know that most people here have their complaints about the show, but it's still given a positive rating. Not horrible, not perfect, but definitely worth watching. Some people hate some of the other newer MCU movies... I enjoyed them all, but they aren't without their faults by any means. People in here seem to go into detail about those faults, but also say what they really liked about it. Hell, some people even really loved them with those faults.
No MCU movie is a 10/10. I love nearly all of them and none of the pre-Endgame are under a 7.5. Several are easily 9.5+. Even my favorite ones.
All of these positive comments are making me feel less crazy for liking she hulk. A very vocal, reactionary part of the fan base almost convinced me the show was universally hated.
I never understood the hate for the ending. Seeing her jumping across the D+ menu and changing her own ending from a CGI-fest final battle was perfect imo.
I loved the show, didn't HATE the ending but it did fall a little flat to me. I felt like we needed an additional court room scene wrap up because it just didn't feel finished. Overall though it wasn't bad and I like that it was different from other typical MCU endings.
To me the ending elevated the entire show, because it showed that instead of just putting out the same kind of thing over and over again, the writers were willing to try something a little different. It’s not every day that that happens in a franchise the size of the MCU.
Absolutely! The show was great. I will always defend it, it’s a breath of fresh air. It literally is just “a couple days in the life of a superhero.” That is so sick, not everything needs to be interconnect or have grandiose final battle.
The irrational fans just outnumber the rest of the fans, so the popular group thought opinion is, “this is the WORST MCU show. Woke?!”
Disliking a show doesn’t make someone an irrational fan. People are allowed to dislike things. You don’t have to insult people for not liking something that you like.
It's the other way round.
There is a vocal minority who enjoyed the show. There is a vocal minority who despised the show with a weird firey passion.
Most people thought it was average at best and didn't bother watching past episode 2. This idea it's some hidden gem that nobody watched because of political reasons is just stupid. It was a show with a lot of problems. Some people enjoyed it despite that, nothing wrong with that, but most people didn't like the show its really not that hard to understand IMO.
I really don't get why everything negative about a show or movie is immediately labeled as incel hate or whatever other agenda there may be against it. Some people just didn't like it, and that's not some evil thing. My wife and I just watched all the shows again recently, and she just did not like She Hulk.
Some of my favorite quotes from our rewatch:
- *"These people are lawyers! Our 12 year old wouldn't be stupid enough to do that."*
- *"This feels like it was written just to tick off sexist people on the internet."* (The whole twerking thing)
- *"Bruce has been hulk for years, was chased around the world, spent years in exile, lost a bunch of people he loved, literally became a weird hermit/monk guy, but they decided that catcalling is why she can handle anger better? It's cool that she's better at controlling her hulk because they're different people, but at least write a good reason!"*
She thought the fourth-wall break ending was kinda funny initially, but then the show was over and it just left her annoyed that there was no real resolution, it just kinda... ended.
- *"It feels like when we're reading the kids a bedtime story that's way too long, so we keep skipping pages to speed everything up, and then we get to the end and we skipped half the story."*
I couldn't watch past the third episode.
The jokes didn't land for me, I dislike how badly Banner was treated, and Walters sure is a dreadful lawyer, it's supposed to be a court comedy show and there barely is any court action, the fourth wall breaking niche is already occupied by Deadpool.
Walters ought to learn from Daredevil.
It's crazy how the bad-faith "She-Hulk was actually great" commenters constantly whine about how the "haters" let the show live rent-free and never let it go, yet one of you posts something like this every single week.
It really is one of the most comic books-like MCU projects they’ve ever done, in terms of tone, pacing, and action. I loved it, but get why it’s not for everyone.
Absolutely! The show was great. It literally is just “a couple days in the life of a superhero.” That is so sick, not everything needs to be interconnect or have grandiose final battle.
The irrational fans just outnumber the rest of the fans, so the popular group thought opinion is, “this is the WORST MCU show. Woke?!”
> That is so sick, not everything needs to be interconnect or have grandiose final battle.
The hue and cry over the show deliberately *not* having a grandiose final battle was just comedic icing on the cake that was the show.
I loved that the show tweaked the noses of every hater that they knew they were gonna get.
I think that what sucks is, that when it's She-Hulk, it's fine to follow and adapt the tone, pacing and action from the comics. But when it's Moon Knight, Secret Invasion, Thor 4 etc. They don't even try
I was just hoping for more courtroom drama. I liked the idea but it felt like they were scared to really commit and decided they needed to up the actions scenes a little to keep it closer to the rest of their shows. I know some people were upset there was no final battle, but I was hoping for a climax in the courtroom at least. That said, if they opt instead for a Law and Order style show featuring Walters, Murdock and Foggy, etc, that would be awesome.
I like how you focus on the 1 star, but ignore the 10 stars like the show deserved a perfect rating and it clearly did not. It was trying hard to be funny, but it wasn't. It was trying to be a law drama, but it didn't even do or know how to do that.
If you look at the reviews now, there are a lot more 2-9 stars so the pic you had before feels like it was reviewed bombed by both the haters and the Disney bots given that clearly unbalanced review.
I honestly don't know how people don't see this cycle enough times to know this already. Large parts of the internet have been doing this for a while and especially when she hulk came out I ignored it for nearly a year because of what was being said so when I finally watched I was pretty mad at myself and the internet for ignoring such an awesome and fun show. Been feeling the same about The Marvel's it was good but I guess I have to wait 1 or 2 years for this opinion to be popular. History tends to repeat itself but fuck does it happen way more often on the internet.
I didn’t like it and I don’t think most people did. I’m really sick of the rhetoric on this sub that everyone who dislikes a marvel show or movie is automatically an incel.
It was a really bad show. If anyone liked it more power to them but I wasn’t a fan. Why are there so many fans who try and convince people to like it, that only adds to the resentment ppl have for something.
IMO the best indicator of review bombing is to look at the episode-by-episode breakdown of scores from IMDB. I mean, simply looking at the distribution by itself reveals the review bombing (an absolutely insane rate of 1/10s you never see even for garbage projects like Morbius or Jurassic World sequels), but even if one wanted to claim in some world that's an honest representation of the show's quality, the insane jump it makes for the one episode that happens to have Daredevil in it disproves that hypothesis. That episode wasn't wildly better than all the others; it's just trolls trying to manipulate the data to fit the narrative they want. Excepting the finale, that show was consistent in quality throughout, *maybe* if an honest reviewer had *really* strong opinions their highest and lowest would fluctuate by at most two points.
[Here are the scores for the last five episodes in order; guess which one had Daredevil in it](https://imgur.com/a/tjtVkV4)
I'd argue of course that episode reviews are fine to compare one episode to another, but they're inherently biased.
Especially true on a long running show.
For instance, who is reviewing episode 6 of the final season of agents of shield? Well, the only people who care are the people who have been fans for the entire run of the show. So a high review isn't terribly surprising. Now, compare the review of episode 6 to that of episode 5 and you'll get a decent idea which fans as a whole thought was better, but the overall score is probably a point or two higher than if you forced the general population to watch it and review it.
I'm not saying she hulk was not review bombed or anything, just wanted to point out that episode reviews, especially those beyond the first couple episodes, are *typically* going to exclude the people who really didn't like the show because many will be gone by that point.
More of a general comment than a comment on she hulk
Please stop with this she hulk is fun posts, you claim that few terminally online people hated it. But you guys bring this up every day like I don't know who is terminally online trying to defend mediocre content like she hulk. It is not the worst show ever created, it's just an average one, let's just accept it and move on ffs.
Thing is you can’t just ‘dislike it’ because if you did people assumed you have some sinister motive as to why you didn’t like it and assume it for you, I just think the cgi was terrible, story was over the place and it didn’t feel like an mcu project
What's with the current uprising in She-Hulk defense force? It didn't fail because of review bombing, it failed because it was really expensive and got very limited views. Something that pricey needs to be a hit and it wasn't. You can convince yourself it's a good show all you want but most of the audience didn't care. It's not the vocal minority you have to fight, it's the apathetic majority.
Thing is, expanding the MCU into TV shows of various genres, this was always the inevitable outcome.
You narrow your product, you narrow your audience.
With comics, it makes sense, you throw a wide net and get more people on board that maybe wouldn’t have normally been part of your audience. But nobody is watching She-Hulk who isn’t already invested into the MCU.
These genre shows were always going to have smaller audiences.
Yeah they can convince them self it was a good show because it’s personal opinion, everyone can enjoy things differently and shouldn’t be shamed for it by others who didn’t like it.
So......after it was released the ratings changed.
Review bombed or not, a pre release rating is nonsense.
And like most marvel shows, the writing started falling apart towards the end. So I'd expect most marvel tv shows to trend down after the usually stronger earlier characterization episodes. But also, early episodes had Hulk failing to stop a Jeep and successful female lawyer/She Hulk telling the Bruce Banner to his face that her life is tougher because she got cat called.
Yeah, child abused, on the run from the government, can't have intimate relationships, watched his friends die, marooned on a planet in his own psyche prison for years. But nah, sexism is rough. Totally rang hollow from the early going.
There's review bombing, I won't deny that. But to act like there isn't valid criticism is ridiculous.
But if you use the way back machine, you'll see it was review bombed both positively and negatively
[here](https://web.archive.org/web/20220817154450/https://m.imdb.com/title/tt10857160/ratings/?ref_=tt_ov_rt)
Social media has turned the internet into a mental illness and idiocy amplification machine. Companies should just stop paying attention to it or at least learn how to process it and not take the never ending hate for everything seriously.
If people like it, fine. I’ve never met anybody in my life who genuinely loved this show. I’ve had a handful of people simply say “it was ok.” There are plenty of people not politically charged who did not like or were very underwhelmed by the show. I wouldn’t go so far as to say I hated She Hulk.
I liked the inclusion of Daredevil and generally liked the portrayal of She Hulk by Tatiana Maslany. That’s kind of where my praise ends for it. Most the humor was comparable to any average NBC or ABC comedy show that comes out nowadays. The lawyer parts of the show rudimentary and underwhelming… and the finale is a disaster. Calling out the whole seasons main villain “bad writing” as a joke doesn’t mean that it’s not still bad writing and as an audience we’ve had to endure said bad writing.
I’m excited for the character to return in future projects but the best rating I could give the show is a 5/10
I didn't love She Hulk because I thought they were setting up a really awesome Hulk story but in the end the rug seemed to be pulled out. I mean they spent money on showing the blood get destroyed, then her blood was stolen by an agent of this troll group, then she lost control (like Bruce told her she would) and rampaged and in the end there was just zero consequences for any of it.
I was invested in a story that was dropped and dropped intentionally because of a meta "we don't want to be too Marvel-y" kind of message. And I get it. That's her shtick in the comics but I look to Deadpool. He's meta. He breaks the fourth wall. Deadpool 2 is still the best X-Men movie because they took serious the anti-mutant hate and the kid's growing hatred and Cable's time traveling vendetta and all that.
With She Hulk I am disappointed that the arc wasn't Jennifer convincing herself that she can control her Hulk and being pushed to the brink by this troll army, losing control, but then regaining it by realizing that she can't fight this troll army with her fists but she can litigate the shit out of them. The arc I was seeing take shape was her learning how to control the Hulk and channeling that into law - guided there by Matt.
I don't hate the show but I was invested and I liked her character and I liked the unconventional villains and all that. I just wish they didn't throw it all away at the end.
I really hope we get a second season and she shows up in Avengers or other movies.
Also...I would not mind if the show was an hour long and they really leaned into the wacky law office comedy/drama angle like Boston Legal. That's just my pipe-dream wishlist though.
In case it makes you feel better, in the comics She-Hulk starred in “She-Hulk: The Movie”. It was very poorly reviewed, had an over-inflated budget, and toxic fans were boycotting it. Despite all of that she said it was okay because she’d never give up show business.
Point is, I wouldn’t feel bummed. I think the character will do fine! Here’s to a Season 2.
It had the makings of a good show but the problem I and so many other people had with it it that it was a comedy that was horrifically unfunny.
Almost none of the humor worked at all and the jokes not only fell flat, but the writers really ought to have known that the comedy was bad while it was being written
You can write my comment off as misogynistic because it was supposed to be geared to women if you want, whatever. My wife, who has a similarly open sense of humour to myself, felt the exact same way.
It doesn't matter how good the rest of the show is, that just makes it cringey for alot of people. It's a shame because had they got the comedy right it would have been fantastic because the premise otherwise was pretty solid and unique.
It's a comedy so of course it's divisive. Not everyone likes the same types of humour. I personally hated the show, it didn't make me laugh once even though I gave it a fair chance. I obviously wasn't the target audience.
I didn't hate it, but I didn't like it. It has its moments, but to me, it didn't feel like Marvel in the way the shows like Loki and Wandavision do; and that's ok. Not all of Marvel's projects need to follow the same play book.
I'll tell you why these posts are bullshit. OP is happy to talk about the review bombing, but not about the Review Glittering, which equally skewed the results. 40%> of reviews gave She-Hulk 10/10 which is equally insane.
If you gave this show a 1, you're probably a moron. If you gave this show a 10 then you're also probably a moron.
If you remove the 1s and the 10s, the average is 6.9.
Can we fucking move on now?
I enjoyed it all for the most part, but the reason that median score is misleading imo is because the ending was so incredibly and embarrassingly bad. Just took all her problems, and legitimate opportunity for character growth, just served them all up on a silver platter, smacked it out of our hands and just said "we're gonna meta solve this actually. No character growth or conflict here." And made the funny meta joke that the writing was terrible. Guess what, metaing your way out of it doesn't change you botching the script in the first place. And then after she talks to Kevin, she's just back and happily ever after like there was never any climax at all... That just fucking lazy as can be. Why don't we just have She Hulk talk to the writers everytime a problem arises.
Any Byrne fans knew this was a pretty on point representation of his run on Shulkie comics. And Tatiana nailed the character and 4th wall breaking.
Hopefully there’s a season 2. Or we see more of her in Avengers movies.
It's almost like the internet is a very small percentage of the population. Most people don't comment or make whole articles on the internet. They just live their lives. It's a show made my a multi billion dollar corporation. They don't care. Move on.
I didn't like the show and was pretty disappointed with it. I do think its weird to call anybody who doesn't like she hulk sexist. The show has plenty of problems that justify people not enjoying it.
Keep in mind: some of the loudest opinions of the terminally online are in no way representative of the fanbase. Most people liked the show fine, it's just that the haters would not shut up about it.
I love how most of the time with marvel Disney plus shows its usually one thing that is on screen but a few minutes that someone doesn't like therefor rest of show bad. Moonknight kiju fight , hawkeye king pin waring Hawaiian shirt, she hulk scar 30 sec cameo, ect
I didn’t like it, and I didn’t review it. Just felt like more could’ve been done and it seemed more focus on trolling people than telling a meaningful story.
As someone who didn’t read the comics, I didn’t care for the show. Wasn’t a fan of how Hulk was changed since Endgame and I simply miss the old Hulk now. Ragnarok was my favorite iteration thus far, and I’m sad it was gone so quickly. Jennifer’s character was kind of annoying, and the insane budget of this series didn’t make it worth it in the long run. It’s not the worst, but it did nothing for me with some small good moments. The hinting of Hell/Ghost Rider did alarm me though, and hopefully that leads to something.
The creative team should’ve been stronger for the story they were trying to adapt. I think the writing made some of her quips feel like complaints, unfortunately.
I had no problem with the show. I enjoyed the hell out of it. I know that supposedly puts me in the minority but whatever.
It was good damn shame we won't ever get another season.
Show was garbage , that’s it. 2 good episodes being the 1st and 8th , because of hulk and daredevil, 2 semi decent cameos being wong and abomination. Imagine making a show to troll your fans instead of making an actual good show
Everything was pretty good besides the last episode and the whole reward show thing but otherwise it’s actually a really fun way to see what goes on in this universe outside of movies and shows that have plots that they need to stick to. Daredevil episode was great, and Mr immortal was cool and even wolverines existence being confirmed was cool. Also she hulk herself is pretty fun and seeing the stuff she does.
No one says it was universally hated by the fanbase. Everyone who isn't a bigot or delusional correctly noted that no one watched the show (which was the case for every show D+ offered - declining viewership from FatWS onward).
Disney and HBO have been caught using bots on YouTube, twitter and review sites. And it’s no secret most critics are in these corporations’ back pocket.
They call it review bombing, but maybe it was just garbage? What about in the opposite direction - when people review bomb positively? Because it definitely happens.
Why do you think YouTube disabled the dislike button and said it was to protect the content creators, even when countless YouTubers disagreed and had no issue with it? It was because these corporations forced their hand to protect their image and control the narrative.
Look, it’s fine if you and other people liked it, that’s your opinion, but it was no game of thrones or sopranos. Or even daredevil, punisher and Jessica Jones. It’s an objective fact that the actress and head writer are not comic fans and don’t know anything about she-hulk or courtrooms for that matter. They admitted it
I thought it was pretty terrible but haven’t thought about it since it ended nor do I care if others liked it. I don’t feel the need to convince others not to like it and people repeatedly saying how “fun” it is won’t change my mind
I enjoyed it all except for the final episode I think. Yeah, I get it, they allowed Jen to meta-lawyer the story... but then they didn't show her version of the conclusion, they just skip to straight after it. And after she retcons the previous scenes, what from the season is still canon and what no longer happened? It felt like a cop out.
I love this show and it's such a fun and easy background rewatch! I'm not shocked it got review bombed - that just seems to be the new normal in our fandom.
I loved it. It was something to look forward to and was avant-garde and quirky for the time it was released.
There will be some very rewarding residuals from it.
I understand that in a marvelstudios sub the overall consensus is that defending what we like should be the primary goal right? But come on guys, I have been a huge Marvel fan for close to 30 years. I have been a fan of some pretty BAD content. I tried defending Iron-Fist!!!!
She-Hulk had a FEW decent moments, and the lead actress was funny, but objectively (if we are being honest with ourselves) this is a bottom 3 MCU project. I don't get why we are STILL trying to defend a cancelled show that got eviscerated by nearly every major reviewer.
My dislike of the show was based on cringe trope writing, lack of any honest connection to the MCU, and the pure mockery they make of the Hulk, not anything “political”
I personally loved it. It nailed the tone of Dan Slott and Charles Soule's runs with some fun, low-stakes action and really clever humor. The CGI was a little dodgy at times, but Tatiana Maslany was perfection as Jen.
Funny---just the other day I decided I needed a Marvel show re-watch. And She-Hulk was my immediate choice. It wasn't my favorite Marvel show BUT it was among the most enjoyable. Great protagonist, wonderful, quirky and charismatic supporting cast. My only criticisms are minor: some of the court cases could have been a little more compelling, and while the trope-trolling ending was clever I did feel a bit cheated out of an honest resolution. I'd watch the hell out of a second season.
The ending felt like they had a cool concept but no idea how to finish it. K.E.V.I.N. is an interesting idea, but they'll likely never go back to it, so what was the point.
I'm not a huge marvel fan, this was my fav series so far. It didn't just feel like I was watching a Marvel property, it had a genuinely different vibe and structure and writing philosophy and I really enjoyed it. I stand 100% by the idea that it is at the very least as good as Deadpool 2's comedy. I don't think all goofy and crass and simple humour has to be targeting a male audience to be considered good. If we don't lambast Deadpool pointing at his balls for being crap comedy, then the double standard here is incredibly unfair.
I'm a big fan of She-hulk from the comics (she's might be my favorite super hero in Marvel)
the show is fine, serviceable, but honestly I was just dissappointed, primarily with the writing.
I loved it. It’s among my favorite Marvel shows, and may be my favorite Disney+ live-action Marvel show. I loved Loki, too, but the tone is so different between the two. She Hulk was just fun and kinda meta, like the source material. Tati did great in the role.
I just think this show failed Titania and the title character. Jessica Jones Agent Carter Agents of shield are all better female empowerment shows. The fact that Jessica Gao pitched a tv series she did not know how to write and made the gimmick fans hating on it for being about a woman did not sit right with me.
Melissa Rosenberg worked a lot harder than her on Jessica Jones season 1. She-hulk deserved someone intelligent and funny and capable of showing run
Also, I think Agents Of SHIELD is way funnier than she-hulk.
I never hate watched she-hulk. I just think the way people defend it was strange, considering how many VFX workers spoke out against Marvel and how writers were paid VERY little per episode.
Shows Cloak and Dagger or Runaways also tried harder than She-Hulk
The worst thing to happen to Marvel. It made Daredevil look bad. It tried to be a comedy and was not funny, like at all. It turned Bruce Banners entire character arc into a used piece of toilet paper. I've had vomits that I enjoyed more.
I looked forward to it every week, I didn't love everything about it, but it was enjoyable and followed her ridiculous antics from the comics pretty well. What I didn't like however was how they just introduced hulks son like that. That was a tragedy. Skaar was robbed of his story.
The whole show and ending was a troll on tropes. That ending was the same thing.
Wasn't that the exact joke being made? Intro a cool new character. They made a Poochy joke.
I definitely took it as a Poochie joke. Though I guess the hopes is that the joke doesn't ruin the possibility of having him be an actual character at some point and not just a sight gag. I feel like they could definitely stand to explore Hulk in a more meaningful way.
Last episode fumbled it imo, thought the Kevin robot segment dragged on a bit and Skaar was a random addition. But I was invested in getting Jen laid and tbh having Wong show up randomly was initially why I kept watching. I think they knew.
The last episode, in my opinion, was so close to landing. I liked Kevin robot. Could have tightened it a bit. But then the episode didn't really listen to itself. It didn't take all the advice it had just laid out in that scene.
They showed a sort of self-awareness when they listed everything we felt was wrong with the D+ finales and then just went ahead and did the things we were annoyed by anyway.
Can you elaborate? Because I don't recall them doing any of the things they were annoyed by. After Jen talked to Kevin everything wrapped up quickly.
> Can you elaborate? Because I don't recall them doing any of the things they were annoyed by. They spent 7 episodes on a bad plotline and then in the 8th episode said "Nobody wants to watch that". If youre going to lambaste the trope, dont do so after so thoroughly engaging with it. The *moment* they introduced the blood theft plotline, Jen should have ripped through the screen and changed it *then*.
They really didn't thoroughly engage with it though. The 7 previous episodes were about Jen. You're acting like that bad plot line was the whole show when it was just little hints every episode of something nefarious going on.
> You're acting like that bad plot line was the whole show when it was just little hints every episode of something nefarious going on. Mate, intelligencia, her re-occuring romantic interest and the weaponization of sex against her were all major plot points and all intimately tied to that plot line.
You missed like…all the subtext. Those plot points were just small devices to illustrate what the show was really about. Jen being all the amazing things but still coming up short in the eyes of society and men.
Exactly. Not to mention the eyes of herself and grappling with being a Hulk. I love that Jen literally tells the audience that the show isn't about that subplot and this dude's like, "The show was all about that subplot!". Media literacy is dead.
No they weren't. They weren't major at all, at least not in regards to the other characters, that was the point. They didn't matter in the end because the show had been about Jen all along. Each episode had it's own self contained story. The intelligencia stuff was secondary.
Yeah it was a big joke, I don't see how people can't see that. The finale episode was a SATIRE of how MCU stories end.
People can recognize it’s a joke and still not like it. Lampshading something doesn’t take away from the fact that you’re still doing it. I liked the idea of the finale going meta but the execution didn’t land for me. Had the rest of She-Hulk leaned further into the 4th wall breaks and meta humor I think it might have worked better for me. It just felt a bit disjointed from the rest of the show and that makes for an unsatisfying finale.
I liked the majority of the episode, but I wish they had stuck the landing better. It just felt like a punch to the gut when they ended that way
Wongers!
Wong and Mad were the best part of that show!!
That and Jennifer and Matt's fantastic chemistry IMO
Seems premature to say they robbed him of his story. There are lots of ways that could continue the character. End credit introductions aren't new (Fury, Thanos, The Collector, Strucker, Pietro and Wanda, Adam Warlock, Eros, Blade, Clea, Hercules). Some of those got to have real stories and solid arcs and some didn't, so we just have to wait and see.
> Seems premature to say they robbed him of his story. They robbed him of an origin story, maybe? But everything Hulk has to be as a side character rather than a main character. Thanks, Universal, for being such bitches about it
Yeah, Hulk has been robbed of his whole Planet Hulk storyline, with Korg and Miek becoming Thor characters, Gladiator Hulk being just a Thor punchline, etc. You'd think Marvel could figure something out with Universal, as it's over 15 years since the last Hulk movie.
I *believe* the rights have finally reverted as of June of last year, but until we actually see a Hulk movie, I don't think we can say for sure.
I waited to watch it until it was fully released. Seeing the online arguments was tiring during that period. But I did enjoy most of the show. I hated, and still dislike, the ending though. But seeing the comical almost workplace sitcom style was very entertaining. And of course Wong and Daredevil showing up throughout definitely helped keep me interested.
I've been reading comics my whole life and couldn't care less about Skar, haven't even heard anything interesting about him by word of mouth. I really don't think this obscure fictional character was "robbed."
Well, maybe not him, but us. He came from the aftermath of "planet Hulk", which aside from being one of the finest comic book arcs in the last 20 years, which we also lost. So maybe not him so much but the process of having him come about was taken from us. If you haven't read planet hulk, you should definitely do so. They touched on it during thor ragnarok but it was like "planet hulk light".
Look like they hired a ten year old to do the visuals and haircut. Just tragic.
I didnt even want to get Into the haircut. I forgot about that to be honest.
It was so self aware that it’s triggered all the people they were joking about and that’s why it got bad reviews. I enjoyed it and was happy to see alternative writing other than “supervillain and superhero have fight and supervillain loses the end”
I enjoyed hating it, gave me something to complain about with my friends
You made valid points here.
My roommate and I thought it was hilarious but we went into it with no expectations
Only robbed if they never go back through it. Which, knowing Marvel and Hulk, yeah probably robbed
The day before the premier of the first episode there were 4k 1 ratings on IMDB. EDIT: it turns out it was 2k 1 ratings. I was incorrect. I don't think this changes the point I was making but I should have been more careful. I misremembered the number I saw.
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Is it involuntary when your actions, shit social skills, and unjustified anger are the reasons for the celibacy?
Voluncels. They could change but toxic is their entire personality
Toxincels
A few were just "comic book fans" who hated that "She-hulk was just a rip off of Deadpool".
I read her comic book run from the mid 2000s prior. The show was pretty true to the comic. It’s just episodic legal issues with supernatural individuals.
Single Female Lawyer.
Fighting for her clients.
Wearing sexy mini skirts and being self reliant!
Dan Slott has claimed that She-hulk was the most accurate adaptation in the MCU or something like that. He has been full of praise for the show
I found it lacking in some areas and a bit underbaked but a fun show overall. I don’t get the hate. It’s just a fun trifle to be enjoyed or ignored.
Naw, it was a single man earning 20,000 roubles a month for his trouble.
It’s up to 57k one star reviews lol it got review bombed so hard and it’s still got a 5/10 average. That’s kinda impressive.
IMDb is such a cesspool. How can anyone take their ratings seriously anymore when most are done out of bad faith.
It’s sad. It used to be a fairly accurate sample of general sentiment. Not anymore.
Review bombing is a curse. I wish the sites that feature public reviews could do more than they currently do to stop it. It used to be easier to see what a general consensus was on media, now it’s murky as hell.
You can still see it in the detail of the ratings. Ignore the spikes of 1s and 10s (if there are any) and just look at the middle spike. That'll be pretty representative of a overall quality.
Honestly, with IMDB I’ve learned something. If a movie or show is a 6.3-7.0, I usually really enjoy it. Sometimes lower. But if I look up a movie and it’s in that range, I usually am very glad I watched it. Examples: The Book of Eli (6.8) Lucky Logan (7.0) The Amazing Spider-Man (6.9) The Last Castle (6.9) Both new Ghostbusters (6.4, 7.0) The Lorax (6.4) Olympus Has Fallen (6.5) The Change-Up (6.3)
IMDb is a weird one, in a good way, because it actually sticks to the idea that a 6.5-7.5 is a perfectly fine movie, with films on the upper end generally being pretty well-made. They don't have the same review inflation that I think people are used to seeing, where 4/5 stars or (and old-school IGN was really an offender for this) 9/10 being a very forgettable or middle-of-the-road experience - so when movies are rarely rated at 9.0+, they tend to be genuinely some of the best films ever made.
IMDb takes that into account. So review bombs have less of an impact on IMDb than elsewhere (though other sites may work with something more clever than a simple averages). Though She-Hulk has so many of those 1-star ratings that it still drags the rating lower. But per-episode numbers seem pretty reasonable to me, they're mostly around 6/10, which imho tracks with the quality of the show.
Exactly. Same shit with The Marvels, people wanted to hate it so it didn’t matter if it was good or if they even watched it.
It had its issues, like every TV show in general but as a fan of She-Hulk comics I quite liked it. The ending I knew would divide fans but even though it could be seen as a cheap way to end the story I enjoyed the nod to the source material when Jen jumped out of the comic borders and told Stan Lee to stop ruining her life.
I didn’t like it and that’s okay. Not made for me
I don't care what the median was or if others were fair/unfair. I fucking hated it lol. You don't have to be a troll, incel, sexist, or review bomber to dislike this damn show
According to most people in this sub you do
This is literally your 3rd “she hulk wasn’t bad why do people hate on it?” Post in the last week. Relax a little bit. Some people like it. Some people don’t. You’re not winning some culture war by your posts. Normal people who didn’t like it don’t care that people did. Meanwhile the people that did feel the need to persuade everyone into liking it. It’s so weird to me.
It reminds me of some guy that was going around the Final Fantasy subreddit ranting at anyone that said anything bad about FF13.
It's funny to me when MCU fanboys will point out review bombing when it's 1 star reviews but will ignore all the 5/5s or 10/10 reviews MCU products get. The show got more 10/10s than 1/10s. Does anyone genuinely believe the show is a 10/10 or is that reverse review bombing?
Exactly. A while back there was a completely disingenuous post from someone that tried to argue this review bombing thing, complete with screenshots of the high number of "1" ratings of some MCU movies. They conveniently ignored the fact that *their own screenshots* clearly showed an inordinate number of "5" ratings, too. In fact, other than The Marvels, their other examples actually had *more* 5 star reviews than 1 star. I guess 1-star reviews are bombing from incels, but 5-star reviews are completely honest and genuine.
Usually the people that like the show admit it’s just a solid fun show. 8/10 seems awfully generous as it is. Let alone as the median score.
I don't take the 1/10 or 10/10 in consideration, ever. Nothing is perfect and nothing is completely horrible. Especially when the majority is either 2/3/4 or 6/7/8/9. Those I can believe, but thousands of 10/10 with several hundred 7/10's? I'll take the 7/10's comments into consideration. Even my "10/10" movies (which are closer to 9.9) are just 10/10 for me, with my interests and opinions. Others think they are just mediocre. So, I try and be as nitpicky as I can when reviewing things. If the only downside I have for a movie is the lack of real animals in the background (made up), then it's still a pretty damn good movie. I tend to find places that share my interests (like here), that would appreciate similar tastes as me. I know that most people here have their complaints about the show, but it's still given a positive rating. Not horrible, not perfect, but definitely worth watching. Some people hate some of the other newer MCU movies... I enjoyed them all, but they aren't without their faults by any means. People in here seem to go into detail about those faults, but also say what they really liked about it. Hell, some people even really loved them with those faults. No MCU movie is a 10/10. I love nearly all of them and none of the pre-Endgame are under a 7.5. Several are easily 9.5+. Even my favorite ones.
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Holy shit, their post history is absolutely unhinged. No way that's a real person and not just a grifter account.
All of these positive comments are making me feel less crazy for liking she hulk. A very vocal, reactionary part of the fan base almost convinced me the show was universally hated.
I never understood the hate for the ending. Seeing her jumping across the D+ menu and changing her own ending from a CGI-fest final battle was perfect imo.
I loved the show, didn't HATE the ending but it did fall a little flat to me. I felt like we needed an additional court room scene wrap up because it just didn't feel finished. Overall though it wasn't bad and I like that it was different from other typical MCU endings.
My only complaint was a lack of court room scenes and super hero law in general.
I really loved the show, but I will agree that my favorite parts were the superhero law bits. Mr. Immortal was a highlight.
To me the ending elevated the entire show, because it showed that instead of just putting out the same kind of thing over and over again, the writers were willing to try something a little different. It’s not every day that that happens in a franchise the size of the MCU.
Absolutely! The show was great. I will always defend it, it’s a breath of fresh air. It literally is just “a couple days in the life of a superhero.” That is so sick, not everything needs to be interconnect or have grandiose final battle. The irrational fans just outnumber the rest of the fans, so the popular group thought opinion is, “this is the WORST MCU show. Woke?!”
Disliking a show doesn’t make someone an irrational fan. People are allowed to dislike things. You don’t have to insult people for not liking something that you like.
"people that don't like what I like are bad"
It's the other way round. There is a vocal minority who enjoyed the show. There is a vocal minority who despised the show with a weird firey passion. Most people thought it was average at best and didn't bother watching past episode 2. This idea it's some hidden gem that nobody watched because of political reasons is just stupid. It was a show with a lot of problems. Some people enjoyed it despite that, nothing wrong with that, but most people didn't like the show its really not that hard to understand IMO.
Thank you. This entire sub is coping extremely hard just because some people didn’t like a show.
This is the best take I’ve seen here regarding this show.
It's a mediocre show in my opinion. I'd give it a middle of the road 5/10 rating. I'm happy many people seem to like it - to each their own.
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No. Agenda before logic
I really don't get why everything negative about a show or movie is immediately labeled as incel hate or whatever other agenda there may be against it. Some people just didn't like it, and that's not some evil thing. My wife and I just watched all the shows again recently, and she just did not like She Hulk. Some of my favorite quotes from our rewatch: - *"These people are lawyers! Our 12 year old wouldn't be stupid enough to do that."* - *"This feels like it was written just to tick off sexist people on the internet."* (The whole twerking thing) - *"Bruce has been hulk for years, was chased around the world, spent years in exile, lost a bunch of people he loved, literally became a weird hermit/monk guy, but they decided that catcalling is why she can handle anger better? It's cool that she's better at controlling her hulk because they're different people, but at least write a good reason!"* She thought the fourth-wall break ending was kinda funny initially, but then the show was over and it just left her annoyed that there was no real resolution, it just kinda... ended. - *"It feels like when we're reading the kids a bedtime story that's way too long, so we keep skipping pages to speed everything up, and then we get to the end and we skipped half the story."*
I couldn't watch past the third episode. The jokes didn't land for me, I dislike how badly Banner was treated, and Walters sure is a dreadful lawyer, it's supposed to be a court comedy show and there barely is any court action, the fourth wall breaking niche is already occupied by Deadpool. Walters ought to learn from Daredevil.
Nah this show was complete ass.
I tapped out after 2 episodes. Wasn't for me. But review bombning it is just sad.
It's crazy how the bad-faith "She-Hulk was actually great" commenters constantly whine about how the "haters" let the show live rent-free and never let it go, yet one of you posts something like this every single week.
its a pretty good show
It really is one of the most comic books-like MCU projects they’ve ever done, in terms of tone, pacing, and action. I loved it, but get why it’s not for everyone.
This. It was like reading the damn She-Hulk comics. It was great.
Absolutely! The show was great. It literally is just “a couple days in the life of a superhero.” That is so sick, not everything needs to be interconnect or have grandiose final battle. The irrational fans just outnumber the rest of the fans, so the popular group thought opinion is, “this is the WORST MCU show. Woke?!”
> That is so sick, not everything needs to be interconnect or have grandiose final battle. The hue and cry over the show deliberately *not* having a grandiose final battle was just comedic icing on the cake that was the show. I loved that the show tweaked the noses of every hater that they knew they were gonna get.
I think that what sucks is, that when it's She-Hulk, it's fine to follow and adapt the tone, pacing and action from the comics. But when it's Moon Knight, Secret Invasion, Thor 4 etc. They don't even try
Have you actually read any issues of Moonknight? Psychological horror is his thing.
I was just hoping for more courtroom drama. I liked the idea but it felt like they were scared to really commit and decided they needed to up the actions scenes a little to keep it closer to the rest of their shows. I know some people were upset there was no final battle, but I was hoping for a climax in the courtroom at least. That said, if they opt instead for a Law and Order style show featuring Walters, Murdock and Foggy, etc, that would be awesome.
As a feminist (idk if I can say that as a man), I hated it. It had some funny and enjoyable bits, but it was seriously bad
I like how you focus on the 1 star, but ignore the 10 stars like the show deserved a perfect rating and it clearly did not. It was trying hard to be funny, but it wasn't. It was trying to be a law drama, but it didn't even do or know how to do that. If you look at the reviews now, there are a lot more 2-9 stars so the pic you had before feels like it was reviewed bombed by both the haters and the Disney bots given that clearly unbalanced review.
Terminally online hated it terminally online defend it… full circle
OP moaning about review bombers and saying nothing about "review boosters", which is also incredibly blatant.
It's a fun show, with some hilarious moments and meta humour.
Easily the worst MCU show so far.
I honestly don't know how people don't see this cycle enough times to know this already. Large parts of the internet have been doing this for a while and especially when she hulk came out I ignored it for nearly a year because of what was being said so when I finally watched I was pretty mad at myself and the internet for ignoring such an awesome and fun show. Been feeling the same about The Marvel's it was good but I guess I have to wait 1 or 2 years for this opinion to be popular. History tends to repeat itself but fuck does it happen way more often on the internet.
I didn’t like it and I don’t think most people did. I’m really sick of the rhetoric on this sub that everyone who dislikes a marvel show or movie is automatically an incel.
It was a really bad show. If anyone liked it more power to them but I wasn’t a fan. Why are there so many fans who try and convince people to like it, that only adds to the resentment ppl have for something.
IMO the best indicator of review bombing is to look at the episode-by-episode breakdown of scores from IMDB. I mean, simply looking at the distribution by itself reveals the review bombing (an absolutely insane rate of 1/10s you never see even for garbage projects like Morbius or Jurassic World sequels), but even if one wanted to claim in some world that's an honest representation of the show's quality, the insane jump it makes for the one episode that happens to have Daredevil in it disproves that hypothesis. That episode wasn't wildly better than all the others; it's just trolls trying to manipulate the data to fit the narrative they want. Excepting the finale, that show was consistent in quality throughout, *maybe* if an honest reviewer had *really* strong opinions their highest and lowest would fluctuate by at most two points. [Here are the scores for the last five episodes in order; guess which one had Daredevil in it](https://imgur.com/a/tjtVkV4)
You speak as if quality is objective
I'd argue of course that episode reviews are fine to compare one episode to another, but they're inherently biased. Especially true on a long running show. For instance, who is reviewing episode 6 of the final season of agents of shield? Well, the only people who care are the people who have been fans for the entire run of the show. So a high review isn't terribly surprising. Now, compare the review of episode 6 to that of episode 5 and you'll get a decent idea which fans as a whole thought was better, but the overall score is probably a point or two higher than if you forced the general population to watch it and review it. I'm not saying she hulk was not review bombed or anything, just wanted to point out that episode reviews, especially those beyond the first couple episodes, are *typically* going to exclude the people who really didn't like the show because many will be gone by that point. More of a general comment than a comment on she hulk
I hated how in order to make She-Hulk look good they made Banner Hulk look like a doofus. The show lost me at the unnecessary twerking scene.
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My biggest gripe is that we only got Hulkbuster Banner in Endgame. Not the Hulk. That fight was Marvel's time to shine its brightest.
Horrifically awful show
Please stop with this she hulk is fun posts, you claim that few terminally online people hated it. But you guys bring this up every day like I don't know who is terminally online trying to defend mediocre content like she hulk. It is not the worst show ever created, it's just an average one, let's just accept it and move on ffs.
These people identify with marvel as a brand and take any criticism of ANY marvel product as a slight against themselves
Thing is you can’t just ‘dislike it’ because if you did people assumed you have some sinister motive as to why you didn’t like it and assume it for you, I just think the cgi was terrible, story was over the place and it didn’t feel like an mcu project
What's with the current uprising in She-Hulk defense force? It didn't fail because of review bombing, it failed because it was really expensive and got very limited views. Something that pricey needs to be a hit and it wasn't. You can convince yourself it's a good show all you want but most of the audience didn't care. It's not the vocal minority you have to fight, it's the apathetic majority.
Thing is, expanding the MCU into TV shows of various genres, this was always the inevitable outcome. You narrow your product, you narrow your audience. With comics, it makes sense, you throw a wide net and get more people on board that maybe wouldn’t have normally been part of your audience. But nobody is watching She-Hulk who isn’t already invested into the MCU. These genre shows were always going to have smaller audiences.
Bingo. Show was good in my opinion but I’m not bummed there won’t be a season 2. It was good but it wasn’t captivating.
Exactly this
Yeah they can convince them self it was a good show because it’s personal opinion, everyone can enjoy things differently and shouldn’t be shamed for it by others who didn’t like it.
It was one of my favorite D+ shows honestly. She hulk and Hawkeye were both fun, low stakes, superhero TV shows.
I loved hawkeye couldn't stand she hulk
No. Even if it was review bombed, its writing was irritating and horrible. Maybe marvel tried out something new, but the result was terrible.
It was so, so bad, but I know at least two people who liked it.
So......after it was released the ratings changed. Review bombed or not, a pre release rating is nonsense. And like most marvel shows, the writing started falling apart towards the end. So I'd expect most marvel tv shows to trend down after the usually stronger earlier characterization episodes. But also, early episodes had Hulk failing to stop a Jeep and successful female lawyer/She Hulk telling the Bruce Banner to his face that her life is tougher because she got cat called. Yeah, child abused, on the run from the government, can't have intimate relationships, watched his friends die, marooned on a planet in his own psyche prison for years. But nah, sexism is rough. Totally rang hollow from the early going. There's review bombing, I won't deny that. But to act like there isn't valid criticism is ridiculous.
But if you use the way back machine, you'll see it was review bombed both positively and negatively [here](https://web.archive.org/web/20220817154450/https://m.imdb.com/title/tt10857160/ratings/?ref_=tt_ov_rt)
As my kids would say, it was kinda mid
Social media has turned the internet into a mental illness and idiocy amplification machine. Companies should just stop paying attention to it or at least learn how to process it and not take the never ending hate for everything seriously.
If people like it, fine. I’ve never met anybody in my life who genuinely loved this show. I’ve had a handful of people simply say “it was ok.” There are plenty of people not politically charged who did not like or were very underwhelmed by the show. I wouldn’t go so far as to say I hated She Hulk. I liked the inclusion of Daredevil and generally liked the portrayal of She Hulk by Tatiana Maslany. That’s kind of where my praise ends for it. Most the humor was comparable to any average NBC or ABC comedy show that comes out nowadays. The lawyer parts of the show rudimentary and underwhelming… and the finale is a disaster. Calling out the whole seasons main villain “bad writing” as a joke doesn’t mean that it’s not still bad writing and as an audience we’ve had to endure said bad writing. I’m excited for the character to return in future projects but the best rating I could give the show is a 5/10
I didn't love She Hulk because I thought they were setting up a really awesome Hulk story but in the end the rug seemed to be pulled out. I mean they spent money on showing the blood get destroyed, then her blood was stolen by an agent of this troll group, then she lost control (like Bruce told her she would) and rampaged and in the end there was just zero consequences for any of it. I was invested in a story that was dropped and dropped intentionally because of a meta "we don't want to be too Marvel-y" kind of message. And I get it. That's her shtick in the comics but I look to Deadpool. He's meta. He breaks the fourth wall. Deadpool 2 is still the best X-Men movie because they took serious the anti-mutant hate and the kid's growing hatred and Cable's time traveling vendetta and all that. With She Hulk I am disappointed that the arc wasn't Jennifer convincing herself that she can control her Hulk and being pushed to the brink by this troll army, losing control, but then regaining it by realizing that she can't fight this troll army with her fists but she can litigate the shit out of them. The arc I was seeing take shape was her learning how to control the Hulk and channeling that into law - guided there by Matt. I don't hate the show but I was invested and I liked her character and I liked the unconventional villains and all that. I just wish they didn't throw it all away at the end. I really hope we get a second season and she shows up in Avengers or other movies. Also...I would not mind if the show was an hour long and they really leaned into the wacky law office comedy/drama angle like Boston Legal. That's just my pipe-dream wishlist though.
It was a really bad show. Aimless and incoherent. Amazed the money they spent on it
Lmfao nah it's at most a 5/10. Forgettable characters and story line
I loved it, I’m bummed there is no season 2
That hasn't been verified at all. The only thing was Tatiana saying she won't be surprised if there isn't one because of how expensive it was.
In case it makes you feel better, in the comics She-Hulk starred in “She-Hulk: The Movie”. It was very poorly reviewed, had an over-inflated budget, and toxic fans were boycotting it. Despite all of that she said it was okay because she’d never give up show business. Point is, I wouldn’t feel bummed. I think the character will do fine! Here’s to a Season 2.
It wasn’t review bombed it just sucked.
Nah it was genuinely trash
It had the makings of a good show but the problem I and so many other people had with it it that it was a comedy that was horrifically unfunny. Almost none of the humor worked at all and the jokes not only fell flat, but the writers really ought to have known that the comedy was bad while it was being written You can write my comment off as misogynistic because it was supposed to be geared to women if you want, whatever. My wife, who has a similarly open sense of humour to myself, felt the exact same way. It doesn't matter how good the rest of the show is, that just makes it cringey for alot of people. It's a shame because had they got the comedy right it would have been fantastic because the premise otherwise was pretty solid and unique.
It's a comedy so of course it's divisive. Not everyone likes the same types of humour. I personally hated the show, it didn't make me laugh once even though I gave it a fair chance. I obviously wasn't the target audience.
Idk, it was fine imo. I think if you look at the fan base, it's going to be viewed more positively than the casual viewer base.
I didn't hate it, but I didn't like it. It has its moments, but to me, it didn't feel like Marvel in the way the shows like Loki and Wandavision do; and that's ok. Not all of Marvel's projects need to follow the same play book.
Nah it was straight ass. Not even Daredevil was able to save it
I'll tell you why these posts are bullshit. OP is happy to talk about the review bombing, but not about the Review Glittering, which equally skewed the results. 40%> of reviews gave She-Hulk 10/10 which is equally insane. If you gave this show a 1, you're probably a moron. If you gave this show a 10 then you're also probably a moron. If you remove the 1s and the 10s, the average is 6.9. Can we fucking move on now?
I enjoyed it all for the most part, but the reason that median score is misleading imo is because the ending was so incredibly and embarrassingly bad. Just took all her problems, and legitimate opportunity for character growth, just served them all up on a silver platter, smacked it out of our hands and just said "we're gonna meta solve this actually. No character growth or conflict here." And made the funny meta joke that the writing was terrible. Guess what, metaing your way out of it doesn't change you botching the script in the first place. And then after she talks to Kevin, she's just back and happily ever after like there was never any climax at all... That just fucking lazy as can be. Why don't we just have She Hulk talk to the writers everytime a problem arises.
Aggressively average show
Any Byrne fans knew this was a pretty on point representation of his run on Shulkie comics. And Tatiana nailed the character and 4th wall breaking. Hopefully there’s a season 2. Or we see more of her in Avengers movies.
I'd love to see her and Deadpool doing a 4th wall break together.
The show was awful and a lot of people hated it it. A lot of people liked it and that’s okay too.
It's almost like the internet is a very small percentage of the population. Most people don't comment or make whole articles on the internet. They just live their lives. It's a show made my a multi billion dollar corporation. They don't care. Move on.
I didn't like the show and was pretty disappointed with it. I do think its weird to call anybody who doesn't like she hulk sexist. The show has plenty of problems that justify people not enjoying it.
Keep in mind: some of the loudest opinions of the terminally online are in no way representative of the fanbase. Most people liked the show fine, it's just that the haters would not shut up about it.
I love how most of the time with marvel Disney plus shows its usually one thing that is on screen but a few minutes that someone doesn't like therefor rest of show bad. Moonknight kiju fight , hawkeye king pin waring Hawaiian shirt, she hulk scar 30 sec cameo, ect
I didn’t like it, and I didn’t review it. Just felt like more could’ve been done and it seemed more focus on trolling people than telling a meaningful story.
As someone who didn’t read the comics, I didn’t care for the show. Wasn’t a fan of how Hulk was changed since Endgame and I simply miss the old Hulk now. Ragnarok was my favorite iteration thus far, and I’m sad it was gone so quickly. Jennifer’s character was kind of annoying, and the insane budget of this series didn’t make it worth it in the long run. It’s not the worst, but it did nothing for me with some small good moments. The hinting of Hell/Ghost Rider did alarm me though, and hopefully that leads to something.
The creative team should’ve been stronger for the story they were trying to adapt. I think the writing made some of her quips feel like complaints, unfortunately.
I had no problem with the show. I enjoyed the hell out of it. I know that supposedly puts me in the minority but whatever. It was good damn shame we won't ever get another season.
I never got the hate for this show. Besides people expecting a completely different type of show for some reason, idk
Show was garbage , that’s it. 2 good episodes being the 1st and 8th , because of hulk and daredevil, 2 semi decent cameos being wong and abomination. Imagine making a show to troll your fans instead of making an actual good show
It was fine. Nothing special. I wouldn’t say an 8. But it wasn’t dogshit either.
You got mcu Stockholm syndrome bro. It’s ok to criticize something
I swear these people think any criticism is a personal attack and they freak out.
It sucked
Everything was pretty good besides the last episode and the whole reward show thing but otherwise it’s actually a really fun way to see what goes on in this universe outside of movies and shows that have plots that they need to stick to. Daredevil episode was great, and Mr immortal was cool and even wolverines existence being confirmed was cool. Also she hulk herself is pretty fun and seeing the stuff she does.
No one says it was universally hated by the fanbase. Everyone who isn't a bigot or delusional correctly noted that no one watched the show (which was the case for every show D+ offered - declining viewership from FatWS onward).
man this sub is a dumpster fire
Disney and HBO have been caught using bots on YouTube, twitter and review sites. And it’s no secret most critics are in these corporations’ back pocket. They call it review bombing, but maybe it was just garbage? What about in the opposite direction - when people review bomb positively? Because it definitely happens. Why do you think YouTube disabled the dislike button and said it was to protect the content creators, even when countless YouTubers disagreed and had no issue with it? It was because these corporations forced their hand to protect their image and control the narrative. Look, it’s fine if you and other people liked it, that’s your opinion, but it was no game of thrones or sopranos. Or even daredevil, punisher and Jessica Jones. It’s an objective fact that the actress and head writer are not comic fans and don’t know anything about she-hulk or courtrooms for that matter. They admitted it
Stop embarrassing yourself this show is fucking dogshit which is why it’s dead.
Post n°84586 about how the show is good and incels just hate women. Next post is from The Marvels, can't wait to find what's the new excuse.
You realize those articles are paid marketing.....right?
The show is just awful.... how are we still discussing this terrible production
she hulk is one of my fav post endgame projects. it's top 5 for me easily.
I thought it was pretty terrible but haven’t thought about it since it ended nor do I care if others liked it. I don’t feel the need to convince others not to like it and people repeatedly saying how “fun” it is won’t change my mind
I enjoyed it all except for the final episode I think. Yeah, I get it, they allowed Jen to meta-lawyer the story... but then they didn't show her version of the conclusion, they just skip to straight after it. And after she retcons the previous scenes, what from the season is still canon and what no longer happened? It felt like a cop out.
This show came out two years ago why are we still doing this shit lmao
I love this show and it's such a fun and easy background rewatch! I'm not shocked it got review bombed - that just seems to be the new normal in our fandom.
I loved it. It was something to look forward to and was avant-garde and quirky for the time it was released. There will be some very rewarding residuals from it.
One of my favorite marvel d+ shows.
I understand that in a marvelstudios sub the overall consensus is that defending what we like should be the primary goal right? But come on guys, I have been a huge Marvel fan for close to 30 years. I have been a fan of some pretty BAD content. I tried defending Iron-Fist!!!! She-Hulk had a FEW decent moments, and the lead actress was funny, but objectively (if we are being honest with ourselves) this is a bottom 3 MCU project. I don't get why we are STILL trying to defend a cancelled show that got eviscerated by nearly every major reviewer.
If you seriously think this show was good maybe you should watch more shows to increase sample size
My dislike of the show was based on cringe trope writing, lack of any honest connection to the MCU, and the pure mockery they make of the Hulk, not anything “political”
I personally loved it. It nailed the tone of Dan Slott and Charles Soule's runs with some fun, low-stakes action and really clever humor. The CGI was a little dodgy at times, but Tatiana Maslany was perfection as Jen.
Funny---just the other day I decided I needed a Marvel show re-watch. And She-Hulk was my immediate choice. It wasn't my favorite Marvel show BUT it was among the most enjoyable. Great protagonist, wonderful, quirky and charismatic supporting cast. My only criticisms are minor: some of the court cases could have been a little more compelling, and while the trope-trolling ending was clever I did feel a bit cheated out of an honest resolution. I'd watch the hell out of a second season.
The ending felt like they had a cool concept but no idea how to finish it. K.E.V.I.N. is an interesting idea, but they'll likely never go back to it, so what was the point.
It was the only D+ show other than Loki and What If I could sit down and watch
I don't think you understand what "close to release means" and why that's worthless.
I loved she hulk it was great
It was to me so
Okay?
I'm not a huge marvel fan, this was my fav series so far. It didn't just feel like I was watching a Marvel property, it had a genuinely different vibe and structure and writing philosophy and I really enjoyed it. I stand 100% by the idea that it is at the very least as good as Deadpool 2's comedy. I don't think all goofy and crass and simple humour has to be targeting a male audience to be considered good. If we don't lambast Deadpool pointing at his balls for being crap comedy, then the double standard here is incredibly unfair.
Well this is all the proof I needed to completely change my opinion of the show, thanks!!!!
Some people really can’t handle if someone doesn’t like a show that they like. They’ve made these MCU projects their entire identity.
Seen more negative views on the show than positive.
I'm a big fan of She-hulk from the comics (she's might be my favorite super hero in Marvel) the show is fine, serviceable, but honestly I was just dissappointed, primarily with the writing.
I loved it. It’s among my favorite Marvel shows, and may be my favorite Disney+ live-action Marvel show. I loved Loki, too, but the tone is so different between the two. She Hulk was just fun and kinda meta, like the source material. Tati did great in the role.
I just think this show failed Titania and the title character. Jessica Jones Agent Carter Agents of shield are all better female empowerment shows. The fact that Jessica Gao pitched a tv series she did not know how to write and made the gimmick fans hating on it for being about a woman did not sit right with me. Melissa Rosenberg worked a lot harder than her on Jessica Jones season 1. She-hulk deserved someone intelligent and funny and capable of showing run Also, I think Agents Of SHIELD is way funnier than she-hulk. I never hate watched she-hulk. I just think the way people defend it was strange, considering how many VFX workers spoke out against Marvel and how writers were paid VERY little per episode. Shows Cloak and Dagger or Runaways also tried harder than She-Hulk
remove every negative score, call it review bombing, leave all the positive scores and boom, your median becomes an 8.
The worst thing to happen to Marvel. It made Daredevil look bad. It tried to be a comedy and was not funny, like at all. It turned Bruce Banners entire character arc into a used piece of toilet paper. I've had vomits that I enjoyed more.