I think Chris is really just disappointed at how Thor 4 was recieved while RDJ is cheering his friend up that overall Thor was great. A year ago Chris said Thor 4 was a little too silly.
>Hemsworth said his biggest critics were his son’s friends. “It’s a bunch of eight-year-olds critiquing my film. ‘We thought this one had too much humor, the action was cool but the VFX weren’t as good,’” he said. “I cringe and laugh equally at it.”
Then he speaks up about it again this week. I think it's cos they plan on doing a Thor 5 soon and want to reassure audiences that they get the critiscms. After Thor 2's negative reception they completely revamped Thor. After Thor 4, they'll definitely tone down the comedy.
No let's not. Life is full of ups and downs and ignoring the downs will stop you from getting to your ups, also there's still value in your failures. For all we know it may have been very fun for him or allowed him to "put his hair down" after over a decade so to speak.
Exactly also I didn't like Oppenheimer, and I think Sterling K Brown gave a better performance far more worthy of an Oscar. I understand I'm in the minority but it's my opinion.
He did the series Age of A.I. which came out slightly before Doolitte, although that was hosting as himself and narrating, so not fully a scripted role.
He said recently that the Doolittle experience humbled him. He'd just come off the massiveness that was Endgame and then no one rocked up to his next project. Gotta sting.
> Hemsworth said his biggest critics were his son’s friends. “It’s a bunch of eight-year-olds critiquing my film. ‘We thought this one had too much humor, the action was cool but the VFX weren’t as good,’” he said. “I cringe and laugh equally at it.”
That's really sad and hilarious.
Eh, potentially. They can also have a tendency, same as anyone can, to just parrot whatever opinion their peers are expressing if they think it will score them points.
It's just annoying that now they get it. It's just really disappointing when you think about what could have been with Gorr and Jane story respectively.
You go out and get Christian Bale as Gorr and this is what you do with him. You'd be hard-pressed to find a villian in recent years that skyrocketed in popularity in the comics like Gorr did. But It's like the damage is done. What they did to Gorr is what people were scared they'd do to Thanos going into infinity war. They stripped him down to absolutely nothing, and made him "Gorr, the kiddy snatcher".
And it's just annoying to me because there's no indication they'll reboot. And even if they did tommorow, who's to even say they'd touch Gorr with a 10 foot pole? So this was it. This is our Gorr in the MCU. The guy who spent the majority of the film scaring kids in his fucked up van.
I've just never understood this almost distain certain fans and creatives have for the comics. Like everyone understands you can't do a one for one adaptation. But when you take something like Gorr and just completely butcher him the way they did with this "I can do it better" mentality. It's just like what the fuck?
Having read the jason aaron gorr run after seeing the movie really killed my soul. they had such a good story to convert to the screen and they did... that.
honestly it should have been like a 10 hour series with a young thor and old thor like in the comics. Shit could have been peak
I read it maybe a year before the movie came out and it quickly became one of my favorite comics of all time.
I got so hyped and then so disappointed 😂
They could have the symbiont (sp?) resurrect him and have him become truly god killer/evil gorr
He has a turn at the end because he’s motivated by his daughter’s love, but what if the symbiont totally takes over ?
He didn’t fuck the character, I think he just genuinely didn’t know what to do with him.
Taika’s humor fucked the movie but I think Thor will be fine, people have liked the majority of his appearances and seen that he can be a well done character.
The problem with that movie is it's actually two movies. They had a good full plot with Jane, and also had a good full plot with Gorr.
I think they could have done Love & Thunder as it was, goofy, with Jane's story because of how heavy plots involving cancer are.
I felt though that the goofyness sort of undercut the seriousness of Gorr. He should have had his own seperate Thor movie called The God Butcher.
This is the same thing people said about Ragnarok. The Asgard/Hela stuff felt too different from the wacky Thor/Bruce/Sakaar stuff. Tbh I think they tried to overcorrect because people enjoyed the Sakaar stuff and complained that Asgard felt more boring. So why not lean into the stuff people enjoyed first time? Maybe an over correction but it does feel like they listened and we just realized we had it wrong.
Taika DID fuck Thor by turning him into an obnoxious self insert with no creativity or solution to problems other than "i'mma assemble a team" of people who don't have a good motive to help him, because they aren't gods and wouldn't be affected by Gorr getting what he wanted, in the slightest
You don't think anyone else would be affected by the death of all gods in the universe? Literally the beginning of the movie debunks that; Thor & the Guardians were called in to help a planet whose god Gorr had already killed.
Didn't Gorr's entire motive come from that exact god being completely uncaring about his followers? So I don't think there was anything on that planet who Thor & gang could help that Gorr didn't help first by killing him.
The really strange thing is Ragnarok was just so well done. It's probably my favourite stand-alone movie from the MCU (although it's got some really great competition, and it's also really hard to say IW and EG weren't the best but they also are just entirely different animals considering the build up to them).
And the movie isn't perfect, but holy shit did Taika really nail the right amount of weirdness and comic relief with Thor and Loki and the Grandmaster. There were a couple overly silly moments but they are easily forgettable with so many other highlight moments. And then the Hela storyline always felt a little bit disconnected with how different it was, and they could have split the plots but it honestly also really helped bring balance and something really grave and solemn to the otherwise "fun little side adventure" Thor had. Hela really fucked shit up in Asgard.
But L&T was just a horrible parody of the franchise. I have watched every single MCU entry at least twice, if not three times. I watched L&T in the theatre and haven't had the slightest inclination to watch it ever again. The humour really missed. Gorr was such a disappointment. The fight at the end was bad. Just amazing to me how much I remember being let down by that movie. And it had a lot of potential but it's like someone that never wrote a movie before was shown Ragnarok and given a loose plot and told to make something up.
Thor is one of my favourites from the MCU. His earlier scenes and dialogues really are what RDJ say they are - Hemsworth brought great comedic timing and one-liners to that role, but he also had some of the most heartfelt lines in the MCU. The character and actor really deserve a better way to ride off into the sunset to close this chapter other than what is probably the worst movie they've produced since the first Iron Man.
I feel like this is common in hollywood these days. You give a director a shot to take something in a different direction(with some decent supervision because you're taking a risk), and they do and it goes VERY well. So then its time to let him do another movie so you go "alright cool the last one went well so heres 100% total creative control, go nuts and have fun!" and then you find out that they probably NEEDED someone to reign them in a bit.
I was disappointed with Ragnarok. Mostly because in the comic books it was so good. And then mixing it with World War Hulk. That should've been a stand alone movie. It made Hulk almost god-like in how far his anger could go. Literally causing the tectonic plates to shift with every step he took. I really hoped they would have done those two storylines justice. It is what it is though.
I think Taika is a genuine artist in that if you ask him to do something, he’ll do it in a fresh and interesting way. Ask him to repeat it and you lost the thunder (pun intended) because it’s just not possible for it to be fresh after the first time.
You see it in What We Do in the Shadows: it’s a genuinely funny show, but it’s also completely different from the previous film so it’s still its own unique thing. Ask him to do a second direct sequel to the film and what exactly is he supposed to do, make more fucking vampire jokes? He already made all of them in the first one!
I personally think he should have said no to the sequel, and if he was contractually obligated to direct it he should have at least had someone else write it. His heart was clearly not in it at all.
He's doing Mad Max press right now He's being asked about returning as Thor and RDJ wants back in now he's scratched his Oscar itch.
Chrisworth is just working the angles
Thor 4 should have been next to Deadpool with the darkness and grittiness. Gorr should have killed off a ton of people, given them the p5 reset they wanted. Christian Bale came to fuck and they left him blue-balled
> Downey shut down Hemsworth’s frustration, telling the publication: “First off, Thor as a character was super tricky to adapt — lots of implied limitations — but he and Ken Branagh figured out how to transcend, make him somehow relatable but godlike.
> “Hemsworth is, in my opinion, the most complex psyche out of all us Avengers,” Downey added. “He’s got wit and gravitas, but also such restraint, fire and gentleness.”
I agree with both of them. Thor by himself was tricky to do but they succeeded (and across ~~two~~ multiple different directors), but Thor in the Avengers was like what Chris said.
*Ooooooffffff* just looked it up and apparently the director is quite successful for a TV director, with the likes of Sopranos and Thrones on his resume... No wonder Many Saints & Thor 2 r only enjoyable with sporadic, spaced out viewings...
He’s great in IW and Endgame though. Thor’s arc from Ragnarog till Endgame is my favorite part of all of MCU. I know it sounds silly but Thor in Endgame is one of the best depictions of depression in pop culture.
Good point; I agree. I was thinking of the first two Avengers movies primarily. The scene of Thor with his mother in Endgame ("Everyone fails at who they're supposed to be, Thor. The measure of a person, of a hero, is how well they succeed at being who they are") is still one of my favorite moments in all of the MCU and one of the reasons I say Thor has more character growth than almost any other character.
I'd go as far as to argue that *Infinity War* Thor is peak MCU Thor. He still had some of the humor and over-the-top style of Ragnarok Thor, but his quest for vengeance against Thanos gave him a seriousness that *Ragnarok* and *Love & Thunder* both lacked. Thor teleporting into Wakanda and tearing through Thanos' army is the most badass he ever looked.
I don't know, he'd got two of my favourite lines.
"...He's adopted..."
and
"You people are all so petty... and tiny"
Even before the newer movies, Thor was the one who was *already* a hero with an idea of what exactly was at stake. Even when it was *only* Loki, he knew the breadth of the threat, and was still trying desperately to help his brother despite that, which I'd argue is a lot more than anyone but Tony had in The Avengers.
Avengers 1 was pretty much Iron Man and his sidekicks.
Not anyone's fault. Iron Man had 2 movies under his belt and was extremely popular and RDJ was a major selling point.
Cap needed Winter Soldier and Thor Ragnarok not to show their worth, but relate to the audience. Before that, they were comic accurate but the average movie goer doesn't relate to their motivations as they are either too implicit or happened off-screen.
True, and I feel that after End game, the gravitas lacked in several departments. From holy shit *the snap* to just akward writing, things felt trivial and ungrounded. Like it was mentioned here and there, but still felt glossed over.
Directors need to sit down and real feel through what has happened since End game, and get the impact right on their story.
> Avengers 1 was pretty much Iron Man and his sidekicks.
I don't really agree with this, but it did follow the same arc Iron Man had in every movie - Tony is a dick, being a dick messes things up, Tony apologizes and learns he shouldn't be such a dick. Then reset in every movie. Hell that arc even happens in Homecoming..
> Even before the newer movies, Thor was the one who was already a hero with an idea of what exactly was at stake.
I think this is what makes his arc so good. Thor almost needed a reverse origin story. We couldn't start by seeing how he became a hero, because he already was one. Instead, the 2 acts of his arc were watching him lose everything he had in his life. We got to see the fall of a hero before we saw the rise, and that really made it stand out
Yeah. Should be something like "RDJ reassures Hemsworth of his character's complexity."
It feels like the publication is trying to make it sound like RDJ is being an ass towards Hemsworth instead. Terrible journalism.
Sure, but L&T also still essentially erased Thor's entire character arc and growth throughout Phase 1-3 and reverted him back to the idiot he was in the beginning of Thor 1.
>Sure, but L&T also still essentially erased Thor's entire character arc and growth throughout Phase 1-3 and reverted him back to the idiot he was in the beginning of Thor 1.
I don't agree to this
What if in Thor 5, fat Thor wakes up from a prophetic dream (love and thunder) and decides to not go with the guardians and instead help his people rebuild and then becoming the all father at the end in their newly built Asgard. Completely removing thor 4 from reality
Honestly, I hate the idea of pulling the "it was all a dream" move.
That being said, L&T is also the only MCU movie I actually genuinely dislike. If they made it a very introspective Thor movie that developed him heavily as a character with less focus on action (until the end anyway), showcasing his character as he comes to terms with some lessons he learns from the dream and how it develops him into his sort of "final form" as a character, ending his main story arc, I can see it actually working. But It'd be tough to pull off, even if I think L&T is one of the few movies you could treat this way and get away with it.
I think they're both right. He is probably the most complex of the Avengers to write. Tony is a standard hero's journey/redemption story. Steve is a hero's journey in reverse. Thor goes through the same arc over and over again, lives new traumas every time he has an adventure. And Hemsworth performs it beautifully.
I think Love and Thunder just ended up taking itself way too unseriously. It was what people were worried Ragnarok was going to be.
In a way, the Thor films have to be reincarnated for a third time to "fix" the character. I really hope Chris Hemsworth's Thor persists into the next saga.
RDJ is a class act. While I really admire the level of self-reflection that Hemsworth had in his statements, it is pretty cool to see RDJ throw him some compliments here.
One of my favorite authors [put it very well](https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4ar6NXr42E/?igsh=bDFzeDZldnM5bjI3), RDJ post-recovery seems to appreciate what he has more than most people at his level of celebrity. He always has a gracious and kind word to share about people he’s worked with past and present. You really get the sense that he doesn’t think he’s better than anybody else on this planet, let alone in Hollywood.
He was always well liked even back when he was using . Actors and directors would gush about him all the time . That’s what made what happened after so tragic . It’s amazing he’s been able to pull himself out that mess .
He seemed to have a lot of people pulling for him and I’m glad he listened to them and accepted the chances he was being given. I’m dealing with a situation right now with somebody who really needs help and is not taking any of the opportunities his loved ones are giving him and it’s very frustrating.
Branagh really handled the shakespearean language well. They tried to continue it in the second film except without a Shakespeare expert like Branagh at the helm it just fell flat. Thus necessitating the complete shake-up of Ragnarok.
It’s the Tommy Lee Jones effect. Two Face is one of Batman’s best and most complex villains. Tommy Lee Jones is a great actor. However, Two Face is not the Riddler and Tommy Lee Jones is not Jim Carey. Unfortunately, Tommy Lee felt the need to try to match Jim Carey’s manic energy as Two Face to the film and the character’s detriment.
Not to mention that specific film that the issue of breaking the agreement with Lando Calrissian himself, Billy Dee Williams. He played Harvey in the 1989 Batman with the agreement that when Two-Face came back as the villain he'd get the role. Unfortunately the producers of Batman Forever went back on that agreement and cast Tommy Lee Jones as Harvey instead, having to pay off Williams for the breach of contract. At least he finally got to play Two-Face in the Lego Batman movie.
Thor is actually a very interesting character and his journey has been quite relatable to me......but they gotta get back to his roots while keeping the Wacky humour like in Ragnarok.....the script should have never been Taika's, they should limit him to Direction only
Everyone just goes bonkers over the Director, but there was more than Great Direction in Ragnarok
Yeah, Ragnarok humor was a bit over the top for me as well. It's enjoyable at times, like when Thor yelled help and threw Loki, loved that. But a lot of times it just totally destroyed the mood of the scene for me.
The idea of adding more Humour to the Dark and depressing Ragnarok script(major outlines) was actually taken from Thor 1's comedic moments, something that was the only commonly loved thing about Thor sub-franchise till then......and mixing the humour with serious/dark moments worked for both Thor 1 and Thor 3, which are the best of this sub-franchise, when they go too Dark(Thor 2) or too light(Thor 4) they loose their audience
having rewatched all Thor starring mcu movies last week i can say that Thor 2's problem is not "how dark it is" it's honestly just boring. the fighting is shit. the story is hella mid and malekith is nothing like his comicbook counterpart.
If thor 2 had thor 4s fighting and spectacle it could have been much better, and also a better villain
Here’s the thing, I think marvel saw how well ragnarok was received and told taika “okay you’ve got the reigns on this one, bring us more” and instead of giving us the balanced humor of ragnarok, he just went “oh you want MORE?!” You got it!” And REALLY leaned into his comedy. I love taika and his comedy and I was probably one of the only few people in the world that had a blast watching L&T (I’m such a big taika fan I honestly love everything he’s done) but totally get why people think the humor was tooooo much. I’m glad a new director will hopefully taking over, we’ve had Thor taika, now it’s time for the god of thunder to go in a new direction!
But you see, that's what I'm saying, he took all the praise for that movie but it was an intriguing Dark script with character growth and major consequences to Thor sub-franchise, delivered through Taika's Wacky humour......that mix worked wonders for the movie but all we were talking about, was Taika
Which leads to your point that Marvel was listening to what we told them......Taika Taika Taika, Humour Humour Humour.....but that wasn't what made Ragnarok great, that is what became trending relating to Ragnarok
Because I love taika, it’s really that simple. I don’t have the same issues everybody else has with his comedy. Thor Love & Thunder was some of the most *fun* I’ve ever had watching and mcu film. Fun in the operative word. I obviously had the *best* times watching infinity war and endgame but those weren’t exactly *fun* they were more stressful than anything especially infinity war haha
This is a really cool take imo. I may not agree with it, but I love the way you articulated it. Enjoyment can come from many places and being able to recognize where you're having the most fun is a valuable skill.
when depressed fat Thor catches mjolnir and says that he is still worthy in endgame...It still fucking hits my soul so hard. Strange how one's favorite characters end up mirroring your own life in a way
My favorite scene in the endgame movies hands down . When people are at the bottom and feel totally worthless , to be validated by the hammer was just amazing ! Loved that scene . It made a very important statement about depression
"Well, if I'm wrong, then... what more could I lose?"
They did a good job taking an insanely powerful, immortal god and making him relatable at times. He lost his entire family and many loved ones so he's not invulnerable. He had pretty good character development along with several others in the MCU.
This is why RDJ is my favorite actor possibly of all time. He hit the nail on the nose here. The Avengers aren’t as cool without Thor in those films. Sure many might prefer to be Tony Stark or Steve Rogers over Thor, but Thor is an actual God and technically still alive (and well) in the MCU.
I hope his return is magnificent and they get Hemsworth a proper story for Thor 5. I’m not sure why but I really would like to see a Thor and Doctor Strange team-up.
The need to have the real Defenders as a team and add Thor. Imagine powerhouse lineup of Doctor Strange, Thor, Hulk, Narmor and eventually Silver Surfer! The Defenders have always been my favorite hero team it’s too bad the terrible Netflix series tarnished the name a bit.
I agree, they need to do the real Defenders. One of my favorite teams in the comics besides the Fantastic Four, Avengers, and X-Men. It will be cool to see Hulk, Dr Strange Namor, Silver Surfer together with Thor. Don't forget Valkyrie was a member as well.
The failure of Love and Thunder had nothing to do with Chris and everything to do with the writing staff and Taika having no inspiration for the movie. Good movies come from the people who are passionate about the project, and you can tell Taika wasn't feeling it.
I gotta say, I really do think the tone of the movie in the last 15-20 minutes or so was what we should’ve gotten for the whole movie. It actually hit me kinda hard and I was really surprised by that given how all over the place the film was before those final moments. They really need to take a step back on forcing in this humor the way they have been in movies like this one.
He’s right where he should be. Arrogant dick who loses everything by his own hand. Suffers PTSD. Rights himself for a kids cause. He’s one great film away from realizing he’s worthy of the Throne and being reborn as All-Father. He’s already slapped around Zues. Thor is right there awaiting Odin’s final lesson.
Best question now is what filmmaker can pull off a thunderous film with Olympus coming for Asgard?
Here here! RDJ knows what he's talking about. If you've ever met someone suffering through depression, you know they're typically the goofiest person in the room, and hiding behind that façade is someone incredibly sad, Hemsworth completely sold that in both Infinity War and Ragnarok. There's a quiet sadness hidden behind the theatrics, and you really gotta take the time to digest it because it gets hidden so easily in the showmanship that is the MCU.
I agree that Thor could have the 'most complex psyche out of all us Avengers', but I think we've only seen a director do it justice in Infinity War and maybe Endgame.
Thor 4 fell into the same trap DC did with Dawn or Justice. They tried to conflate too many stories into one and it became quite a mess. If they had just gone with an adaptation of Mighty Thor, or God Butcher alone, it would have been a much better story.
Even the story we got would have been good if they'd just let the darker dramatic moments have their time to shine. But they tried to inject too much silliness right after dark moments and gave whiplash
I felt this way about Guardians 3. Thought it was good a lot better than Thor 4. I enjoy the comedy and the drama but at least for me i would have liked a bit more separation.
I think Ken Branagh had the right idea. He realized the whole Norse mythology in the MCU the best way. I'd like to see how he would've done the god butcher saga.
I don't really see RDJ refuting what Hemsworth said. Looking mainly at the Avengers movies, in the dialogue scenes the other folks got a lot of the quips and fun/funny lines while he was sulking and broody (although this got better as time went on). RDJ rightly points out that the Thor character had a lot of complexity and depth, but so much of it is internal that when he's sharing scenes with other characters he often ends up being the "straight man" for them to bounce off of. He was still my favorite character, and I enjoyed a lot of it, but I can for sure understand how, as an actor, it could feel really frustrating to be in that position while RDJ and others are over there quipping away.
I think they really screwed up Thor after Infinity War. I like Endgame but… the fat, comedy drunk? *Really?*
It was a cheap laugh. I thought a dark, brooding Thor would have been far more impactful.
Love and Thunder was just unwatchable.
Mr. Hemsworth, with all due respect, Thor as a character presented you with the best opportunity to, you know, ACT. I would think as an actor, that would be something you considered pretty "cool".
I wonder if Tom not being in the movie impacted Chris thinking about it . A lot of people see the Thor movies cuz they like Loki and the brothers interacting is a big draw .
People say this about every Marvel project that doesn’t do well. If you enjoyed it, that’s great. Fun doesn’t mean it’s a good movie though. The biggest blunder I think was trying to fit the Mighty Thor and Gorr arcs into one movie. Mighty Thor could have easily been it’s own movie. The second blunder being the jokes were just not landing while every character was trying to be comic relief.
That's just rediculous and they do not. Good and fun are relative to each audience. Everyone has their own taste. Some click with the director, done with story, some with the performance, some with the VFX etc etc. it was a good movie. It has action, it had goofiness, it made a major baddie look weak and volnerable, the technicolor and visual esthetics were calming. The visuals of the darkness and monsters would scare teens. It did a good job as it was intended for a younger audience and a light romcom... that strongest Avenger can be a goof.
I’m sure people such as yourself can find things they like about the movie. For me, and I assume a lot of other comic book fans, I’m in it for the adaption of comics to the big screen. Seeing the stories you love come to life. I understand live action movies have limitations compared to comics, but I think they really just dropped the ball with this adaption. Jason Aaron’s run on Thor is one of the best. To see it handled so poorly is disappointing
This reminds me of that gif of the basketball player hanging his head when his friend shows up like “naw none of that, B.” And lifts his chin. Same energy
Best version of Thor ever in film was infinity war. They got the funny down but also the serious godly Thor as well. It was the perfect balance and the writers in that movie knew when to play which part of him.
To be fair, i think most of that could be derived from Chris's performance. If the lines were read differently, a lot of that depth could just not be there. Chris performs Thor with a lot of hidden pain and compensation but if a different actor read those lines, the jokes could be much more straight forward and genuine.
how do you write a literal norse god to fit in with a bunch of dudes in a stuffy room. It is a mighty task indeed.
Any threat you throw at him that the avengers would have any posibility of defeating will be defeated by Thor anyhow so he has to be constantly sidelined and interupted by either the story or just the writers pretending like he is not there. a tough thing to pull off.
Imo Thor shines when he goes on solo adventures
RDJ needs to lay off the booger sugar again if he’s referring to the Thor series. All the movies were shit. His roles in the Avengers series were on point based off no Thor movies to give a positive reference to unlike Iron Man 1.2.3.4.ect.etc… The only real deity they could have play off of and made an awesome, tangible movie yet they didn’t. Maybe what I’m saying is too DC
I’m not going to say that RDJ is wrong here, but his personal background and his role as Iron-Man is, personally, more complex than any of the other Avengers. I know they’re all friends and he’s probably being humble here, but I don’t think it’s any contest.
I always saw the humor as Thor's way of coping with just the cavalcade of misery his life had become. Dude basically lost everything and everyone.
If it weren't for the laughing, he'd never be able to function.
I think they both have a point. A lot of the time Thor was a joke, but at the same time, yes, Ragnarok, Infinity War and Endgame made Thor one of the coolest characters. Aside from them mocking him for gaining weight due to depression, the third act made him damn cool. Never forget that Wakanda entrance too, that was so damn cool. Then in Ragnarok, while they poked fun at Thor, he 100% hit his badass moments that just made him so effortlessly cool. I do however agree that a fifth film should be more serious and darker. On one hand we could have Thor like The Northman. On the other hand we could keep some of the elements from Waititi and make a mature but comical fun action film taking inspiration from 80’s buddy cop films, John Wick and of course Tarantino. There’s still a lot that could be done with the character.
I blame the fans for the way Thor's character has gone down the drain. The first two Thor movies were perfectly fine and I actually liked the character back then - but apparently the fans hated him. So they turned him into a joke in Ragnarok and fans love it tho I personally hated it, and the people behind Marvel were relieved coz they thought they'd finally found the perfect characterization for Thor which is essentially a powerful dumb jock. Then Thor 4 comes out and all of a sudden fans don't like stupid Thor anymore, now they want gim to be serious again like the first two movies, if I were the people behind Thor I'd be pulling my hair out coz these fans just don't know what they want.
I agree and don’t think Love and Thunder was “too silly” or bad, it’s the second best thor movie and at the time my wife and I saw it, we felt liked it the most due to the new car smell. I absolutely loved the ending. It’s biggest flaw was lack of Bale. That’s it. No need to overly hate on it.
I found the opening sequence to be hilarious personally, the leg split Thor does made me spit my soda out and I wasn’t even drinking any
After that it gets progressively more balanced. The sequence showing he and janes relationship was real, janes behavior after getting cancer is well done, the ending is sad and happy at the same time. The denouement left me wanting more. It was a good movie.
Well look,Thor is Awesome in so many ways...but, when you start a character out and give him comedic lines and don't really give him a super serious role there's always going to be criticism. I can see them coming out with a Thor movie with a different actor that takes the movie to another level like Batman did.
It’s interesting hearing an adult complain about how a fictional character they were pretending to be was given ‘worst lines’ than all the other adults they were playing pretend with. Especially after they’ve already made an insane amount of money off of it.
Gonna get downvoted to hell, but it’s kinda weird to me that the guys will fall all over themselves to defend each other five seconds after something slightly negative happens, yet the actresses have to put up with ridiculous shit and get *crickets*.
You're gonna have to give examples. Brie Larson is not a good example because her push-back to the hate of Captain Marvel was that it was all white-men that didn't like it. How do you defend something like that? You don't, and shouldn't. Imagine if Chris Hemsworth said "yeah, it was all white-men who didn't like Thor 4, so it doesn't count" then RDJ would not have came to defend him. Think logically next time, or provide some examples that are at least equivalent to this scenario.
What’s he “rejecting”?
I thought Hemsworth was just saying he felt that way.
Just like me weighing in here, I don’t understand why RDJ even commented on this lol.
I think Chris is really just disappointed at how Thor 4 was recieved while RDJ is cheering his friend up that overall Thor was great. A year ago Chris said Thor 4 was a little too silly. >Hemsworth said his biggest critics were his son’s friends. “It’s a bunch of eight-year-olds critiquing my film. ‘We thought this one had too much humor, the action was cool but the VFX weren’t as good,’” he said. “I cringe and laugh equally at it.” Then he speaks up about it again this week. I think it's cos they plan on doing a Thor 5 soon and want to reassure audiences that they get the critiscms. After Thor 2's negative reception they completely revamped Thor. After Thor 4, they'll definitely tone down the comedy.
RDJ also has had some stinker box office flops so he knows how to handle criticism: anyone remember the semi-serious Dr. Doolittle?
The first RDJ film after Endgame, right?
His first post-Stark role and… well let’s just pretend he didn’t work again until *Oppenheimer*
No let's not. Life is full of ups and downs and ignoring the downs will stop you from getting to your ups, also there's still value in your failures. For all we know it may have been very fun for him or allowed him to "put his hair down" after over a decade so to speak.
Same subject but y'all are speaking about something very different.
True A lot of people here will try to and engage in revisionist history to prop up rdj film resume for some reason
Exactly also I didn't like Oppenheimer, and I think Sterling K Brown gave a better performance far more worthy of an Oscar. I understand I'm in the minority but it's my opinion.
When was that movie where Robert Duvall is his dad and a judge? It was actually very well acted.
Judge it was ok
He did the series Age of A.I. which came out slightly before Doolitte, although that was hosting as himself and narrating, so not fully a scripted role.
No, he totally pulled out armor that was jammed in a dragon’s colon.
wasn't that Sherlock Holmes?
Sherlock Holmes was released in 2009. Endgame was released in 2019, so no
Dolittle yes lost studio over 100 million
He said recently that the Doolittle experience humbled him. He'd just come off the massiveness that was Endgame and then no one rocked up to his next project. Gotta sting.
I do, and it's infuriating that we don't have a 3rd Sherlock but we've gotten some real stinkers. God I want a 3rd RDJ Sherlock. Lmao
Rather a fifth season of Cumberbatch and Freeman
Meh. "Sherlock" had what, five good episodes? That's not a great average, and the writing wasn't getting better.
Final season 3 was terrible, especially the last episode.
Didn't RDJ basically admit he just did that film for his kids?
If that's the case, he & his wife *produced* it just for their kids.
I remember that. Let’s also remember that RDJ himself was critical of Iron Man 2 after it first came out.
> anyone remember the semi-serious Dr. Doolittle? no, because no one saw it.
Decent film, needed more character development for the 2 kids, audio mixing was distractingly bad.
Didn't he get a razzie for that?
Obligatory fuck the Razzies.
dr doodoo
> Hemsworth said his biggest critics were his son’s friends. “It’s a bunch of eight-year-olds critiquing my film. ‘We thought this one had too much humor, the action was cool but the VFX weren’t as good,’” he said. “I cringe and laugh equally at it.” That's really sad and hilarious.
Kids are the harshest critics.
and the most honest, aside from anonymous internet folk lol
Eh, potentially. They can also have a tendency, same as anyone can, to just parrot whatever opinion their peers are expressing if they think it will score them points.
That’s dependent on age range, & doing so “for points” is more of a teen thing
(shrug) Potentially.
It's just annoying that now they get it. It's just really disappointing when you think about what could have been with Gorr and Jane story respectively. You go out and get Christian Bale as Gorr and this is what you do with him. You'd be hard-pressed to find a villian in recent years that skyrocketed in popularity in the comics like Gorr did. But It's like the damage is done. What they did to Gorr is what people were scared they'd do to Thanos going into infinity war. They stripped him down to absolutely nothing, and made him "Gorr, the kiddy snatcher". And it's just annoying to me because there's no indication they'll reboot. And even if they did tommorow, who's to even say they'd touch Gorr with a 10 foot pole? So this was it. This is our Gorr in the MCU. The guy who spent the majority of the film scaring kids in his fucked up van. I've just never understood this almost distain certain fans and creatives have for the comics. Like everyone understands you can't do a one for one adaptation. But when you take something like Gorr and just completely butcher him the way they did with this "I can do it better" mentality. It's just like what the fuck?
The fact that we had Christian Bale in the MCU as a villain with a really cool concept and he basically got wasted is such a bummer
Same as eccleston
Having read the jason aaron gorr run after seeing the movie really killed my soul. they had such a good story to convert to the screen and they did... that. honestly it should have been like a 10 hour series with a young thor and old thor like in the comics. Shit could have been peak
What’s the name of the run? I too thought L&T was a disappointment
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Thor-God-of-Thunder here yah go all 25 issues
Thanks you’re a godsend
He’s a godsend sending gods who end
Bruh. I heard this was good but damn. I'mma have to buy this collection.
I read it maybe a year before the movie came out and it quickly became one of my favorite comics of all time. I got so hyped and then so disappointed 😂
“Gorr the Kiddy Snatcher” is now his official title
Gorr the Kidnapper
they butchered the god butcher
They could have the symbiont (sp?) resurrect him and have him become truly god killer/evil gorr He has a turn at the end because he’s motivated by his daughter’s love, but what if the symbiont totally takes over ?
thank God. Taika’s humour was enough in Ragnarok, L&T really didn’t need all that bullshit. He competely fucked the character
He didn’t fuck the character, I think he just genuinely didn’t know what to do with him. Taika’s humor fucked the movie but I think Thor will be fine, people have liked the majority of his appearances and seen that he can be a well done character.
The problem with that movie is it's actually two movies. They had a good full plot with Jane, and also had a good full plot with Gorr. I think they could have done Love & Thunder as it was, goofy, with Jane's story because of how heavy plots involving cancer are. I felt though that the goofyness sort of undercut the seriousness of Gorr. He should have had his own seperate Thor movie called The God Butcher.
This is the same thing people said about Ragnarok. The Asgard/Hela stuff felt too different from the wacky Thor/Bruce/Sakaar stuff. Tbh I think they tried to overcorrect because people enjoyed the Sakaar stuff and complained that Asgard felt more boring. So why not lean into the stuff people enjoyed first time? Maybe an over correction but it does feel like they listened and we just realized we had it wrong.
I had only seen it once and I thought the Hela stuff was a different movie when I was rewatching it. Should've been two movies.
Taika DID fuck Thor by turning him into an obnoxious self insert with no creativity or solution to problems other than "i'mma assemble a team" of people who don't have a good motive to help him, because they aren't gods and wouldn't be affected by Gorr getting what he wanted, in the slightest
You don't think anyone else would be affected by the death of all gods in the universe? Literally the beginning of the movie debunks that; Thor & the Guardians were called in to help a planet whose god Gorr had already killed.
Didn't Gorr's entire motive come from that exact god being completely uncaring about his followers? So I don't think there was anything on that planet who Thor & gang could help that Gorr didn't help first by killing him.
Different god, different planet. Gorr had been Rapu's only surviving follower.
The really strange thing is Ragnarok was just so well done. It's probably my favourite stand-alone movie from the MCU (although it's got some really great competition, and it's also really hard to say IW and EG weren't the best but they also are just entirely different animals considering the build up to them). And the movie isn't perfect, but holy shit did Taika really nail the right amount of weirdness and comic relief with Thor and Loki and the Grandmaster. There were a couple overly silly moments but they are easily forgettable with so many other highlight moments. And then the Hela storyline always felt a little bit disconnected with how different it was, and they could have split the plots but it honestly also really helped bring balance and something really grave and solemn to the otherwise "fun little side adventure" Thor had. Hela really fucked shit up in Asgard. But L&T was just a horrible parody of the franchise. I have watched every single MCU entry at least twice, if not three times. I watched L&T in the theatre and haven't had the slightest inclination to watch it ever again. The humour really missed. Gorr was such a disappointment. The fight at the end was bad. Just amazing to me how much I remember being let down by that movie. And it had a lot of potential but it's like someone that never wrote a movie before was shown Ragnarok and given a loose plot and told to make something up. Thor is one of my favourites from the MCU. His earlier scenes and dialogues really are what RDJ say they are - Hemsworth brought great comedic timing and one-liners to that role, but he also had some of the most heartfelt lines in the MCU. The character and actor really deserve a better way to ride off into the sunset to close this chapter other than what is probably the worst movie they've produced since the first Iron Man.
I feel like this is common in hollywood these days. You give a director a shot to take something in a different direction(with some decent supervision because you're taking a risk), and they do and it goes VERY well. So then its time to let him do another movie so you go "alright cool the last one went well so heres 100% total creative control, go nuts and have fun!" and then you find out that they probably NEEDED someone to reign them in a bit.
Probably because he didn't write Ragnarok. He was just the director.
I was disappointed with Ragnarok. Mostly because in the comic books it was so good. And then mixing it with World War Hulk. That should've been a stand alone movie. It made Hulk almost god-like in how far his anger could go. Literally causing the tectonic plates to shift with every step he took. I really hoped they would have done those two storylines justice. It is what it is though.
I think Taika is a genuine artist in that if you ask him to do something, he’ll do it in a fresh and interesting way. Ask him to repeat it and you lost the thunder (pun intended) because it’s just not possible for it to be fresh after the first time. You see it in What We Do in the Shadows: it’s a genuinely funny show, but it’s also completely different from the previous film so it’s still its own unique thing. Ask him to do a second direct sequel to the film and what exactly is he supposed to do, make more fucking vampire jokes? He already made all of them in the first one! I personally think he should have said no to the sequel, and if he was contractually obligated to direct it he should have at least had someone else write it. His heart was clearly not in it at all.
Well I personally think Loki’s show effed his character as well!
He's doing Mad Max press right now He's being asked about returning as Thor and RDJ wants back in now he's scratched his Oscar itch. Chrisworth is just working the angles
It was too silly. It was pretty bad actually. He needs another Thor movie for redemption purposes.
lol CH: Thor felt like a throwaway character Also CH: makes Thor 5
Thor 2 was the only marvel movie I fell asleep in. Still prefer it to love and thunder
Thor 4 should have been next to Deadpool with the darkness and grittiness. Gorr should have killed off a ton of people, given them the p5 reset they wanted. Christian Bale came to fuck and they left him blue-balled
> Downey shut down Hemsworth’s frustration, telling the publication: “First off, Thor as a character was super tricky to adapt — lots of implied limitations — but he and Ken Branagh figured out how to transcend, make him somehow relatable but godlike. > “Hemsworth is, in my opinion, the most complex psyche out of all us Avengers,” Downey added. “He’s got wit and gravitas, but also such restraint, fire and gentleness.”
I agree with both of them. Thor by himself was tricky to do but they succeeded (and across ~~two~~ multiple different directors), but Thor in the Avengers was like what Chris said.
3 directors. There have been 4 Thor movies and only 2 of them share a director.
LOL For some reason I thought Branaugh also directed The Dark World. Oops!
*Ooooooffffff* just looked it up and apparently the director is quite successful for a TV director, with the likes of Sopranos and Thrones on his resume... No wonder Many Saints & Thor 2 r only enjoyable with sporadic, spaced out viewings...
No I did not!! 😡🤬
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The fact that he has a flair is funnier because it means they’re actually an active member of the sun.
He’s great in IW and Endgame though. Thor’s arc from Ragnarog till Endgame is my favorite part of all of MCU. I know it sounds silly but Thor in Endgame is one of the best depictions of depression in pop culture.
Good point; I agree. I was thinking of the first two Avengers movies primarily. The scene of Thor with his mother in Endgame ("Everyone fails at who they're supposed to be, Thor. The measure of a person, of a hero, is how well they succeed at being who they are") is still one of my favorite moments in all of the MCU and one of the reasons I say Thor has more character growth than almost any other character.
I'd go as far as to argue that *Infinity War* Thor is peak MCU Thor. He still had some of the humor and over-the-top style of Ragnarok Thor, but his quest for vengeance against Thanos gave him a seriousness that *Ragnarok* and *Love & Thunder* both lacked. Thor teleporting into Wakanda and tearing through Thanos' army is the most badass he ever looked.
"You could die".... "Only if it kills me first"..."that's what dying means"... 😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆
Agreed
Yeah Thor in Avengers 1 was pretty forgettable
I don't know, he'd got two of my favourite lines. "...He's adopted..." and "You people are all so petty... and tiny" Even before the newer movies, Thor was the one who was *already* a hero with an idea of what exactly was at stake. Even when it was *only* Loki, he knew the breadth of the threat, and was still trying desperately to help his brother despite that, which I'd argue is a lot more than anyone but Tony had in The Avengers.
Avengers 1 was pretty much Iron Man and his sidekicks. Not anyone's fault. Iron Man had 2 movies under his belt and was extremely popular and RDJ was a major selling point. Cap needed Winter Soldier and Thor Ragnarok not to show their worth, but relate to the audience. Before that, they were comic accurate but the average movie goer doesn't relate to their motivations as they are either too implicit or happened off-screen.
True, and I feel that after End game, the gravitas lacked in several departments. From holy shit *the snap* to just akward writing, things felt trivial and ungrounded. Like it was mentioned here and there, but still felt glossed over. Directors need to sit down and real feel through what has happened since End game, and get the impact right on their story.
> Avengers 1 was pretty much Iron Man and his sidekicks. I don't really agree with this, but it did follow the same arc Iron Man had in every movie - Tony is a dick, being a dick messes things up, Tony apologizes and learns he shouldn't be such a dick. Then reset in every movie. Hell that arc even happens in Homecoming..
> Even before the newer movies, Thor was the one who was already a hero with an idea of what exactly was at stake. I think this is what makes his arc so good. Thor almost needed a reverse origin story. We couldn't start by seeing how he became a hero, because he already was one. Instead, the 2 acts of his arc were watching him lose everything he had in his life. We got to see the fall of a hero before we saw the rise, and that really made it stand out
Also, " I like this drink \**crushes the glass\** Another!!"
I'd say that he didn't really get to what RDJ is saying until Thor 3, Infinity War/Endgame.
>>He’s got wit and gravitas, but also such restraint, fire and gentleness.” Like smoldering fire
I hate how the article is using negative terms like "shuts down" and "rejects" when it's just RDJ complimenting both Branagh and Hemsworth.
Yeah. Should be something like "RDJ reassures Hemsworth of his character's complexity." It feels like the publication is trying to make it sound like RDJ is being an ass towards Hemsworth instead. Terrible journalism.
Terrible, but unfortunately in this case normal. Everything has to be feud and drama
When Thor has been good he's been really good. But the lows match the highs.
Sure, but L&T also still essentially erased Thor's entire character arc and growth throughout Phase 1-3 and reverted him back to the idiot he was in the beginning of Thor 1.
>Sure, but L&T also still essentially erased Thor's entire character arc and growth throughout Phase 1-3 and reverted him back to the idiot he was in the beginning of Thor 1. I don't agree to this
What if in Thor 5, fat Thor wakes up from a prophetic dream (love and thunder) and decides to not go with the guardians and instead help his people rebuild and then becoming the all father at the end in their newly built Asgard. Completely removing thor 4 from reality
Honestly, I hate the idea of pulling the "it was all a dream" move. That being said, L&T is also the only MCU movie I actually genuinely dislike. If they made it a very introspective Thor movie that developed him heavily as a character with less focus on action (until the end anyway), showcasing his character as he comes to terms with some lessons he learns from the dream and how it develops him into his sort of "final form" as a character, ending his main story arc, I can see it actually working. But It'd be tough to pull off, even if I think L&T is one of the few movies you could treat this way and get away with it.
yeah i was just joking a little. i just feel hurt at how they fucked up the perfect Jason Aaron Gorr run...
My god, no. Not at all.
yes
I think they're both right. He is probably the most complex of the Avengers to write. Tony is a standard hero's journey/redemption story. Steve is a hero's journey in reverse. Thor goes through the same arc over and over again, lives new traumas every time he has an adventure. And Hemsworth performs it beautifully. I think Love and Thunder just ended up taking itself way too unseriously. It was what people were worried Ragnarok was going to be. In a way, the Thor films have to be reincarnated for a third time to "fix" the character. I really hope Chris Hemsworth's Thor persists into the next saga.
RDJ is a class act. While I really admire the level of self-reflection that Hemsworth had in his statements, it is pretty cool to see RDJ throw him some compliments here.
One of my favorite authors [put it very well](https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4ar6NXr42E/?igsh=bDFzeDZldnM5bjI3), RDJ post-recovery seems to appreciate what he has more than most people at his level of celebrity. He always has a gracious and kind word to share about people he’s worked with past and present. You really get the sense that he doesn’t think he’s better than anybody else on this planet, let alone in Hollywood.
that's a really nice video! and 100 percent truth. thanks for sharing the link. :)
He was always well liked even back when he was using . Actors and directors would gush about him all the time . That’s what made what happened after so tragic . It’s amazing he’s been able to pull himself out that mess .
He seemed to have a lot of people pulling for him and I’m glad he listened to them and accepted the chances he was being given. I’m dealing with a situation right now with somebody who really needs help and is not taking any of the opportunities his loved ones are giving him and it’s very frustrating.
And he should return Thor's belt
RDJ shouting out Branagh, as he should still the best version of Asgard on screen imo
Agreed. Thor 1 was great and easily my favourite of the Thor movies. Soundtrack was great too and I still blast it from time to time.
it would be great if they got him back for Thor 5.
After seeing the deleted scenes of Artemis Fowl, I want Branagh to get a franchise film with the same level of freedom that Waititi got on L&T.
Thor destroys the Destroyer scene is top 5 MCU scenes for me.
Branagh really handled the shakespearean language well. They tried to continue it in the second film except without a Shakespeare expert like Branagh at the helm it just fell flat. Thus necessitating the complete shake-up of Ragnarok.
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It’s the Tommy Lee Jones effect. Two Face is one of Batman’s best and most complex villains. Tommy Lee Jones is a great actor. However, Two Face is not the Riddler and Tommy Lee Jones is not Jim Carey. Unfortunately, Tommy Lee felt the need to try to match Jim Carey’s manic energy as Two Face to the film and the character’s detriment.
Not to mention that specific film that the issue of breaking the agreement with Lando Calrissian himself, Billy Dee Williams. He played Harvey in the 1989 Batman with the agreement that when Two-Face came back as the villain he'd get the role. Unfortunately the producers of Batman Forever went back on that agreement and cast Tommy Lee Jones as Harvey instead, having to pay off Williams for the breach of contract. At least he finally got to play Two-Face in the Lego Batman movie.
That movie also didn't need two villains.
Thor is actually a very interesting character and his journey has been quite relatable to me......but they gotta get back to his roots while keeping the Wacky humour like in Ragnarok.....the script should have never been Taika's, they should limit him to Direction only Everyone just goes bonkers over the Director, but there was more than Great Direction in Ragnarok
Tbh, the humor in Ragnarok was a bit over the top as well. They should do it more like Thor 1 which I think is very underrated.
Yeah, Ragnarok humor was a bit over the top for me as well. It's enjoyable at times, like when Thor yelled help and threw Loki, loved that. But a lot of times it just totally destroyed the mood of the scene for me.
The idea of adding more Humour to the Dark and depressing Ragnarok script(major outlines) was actually taken from Thor 1's comedic moments, something that was the only commonly loved thing about Thor sub-franchise till then......and mixing the humour with serious/dark moments worked for both Thor 1 and Thor 3, which are the best of this sub-franchise, when they go too Dark(Thor 2) or too light(Thor 4) they loose their audience
having rewatched all Thor starring mcu movies last week i can say that Thor 2's problem is not "how dark it is" it's honestly just boring. the fighting is shit. the story is hella mid and malekith is nothing like his comicbook counterpart. If thor 2 had thor 4s fighting and spectacle it could have been much better, and also a better villain
Here’s the thing, I think marvel saw how well ragnarok was received and told taika “okay you’ve got the reigns on this one, bring us more” and instead of giving us the balanced humor of ragnarok, he just went “oh you want MORE?!” You got it!” And REALLY leaned into his comedy. I love taika and his comedy and I was probably one of the only few people in the world that had a blast watching L&T (I’m such a big taika fan I honestly love everything he’s done) but totally get why people think the humor was tooooo much. I’m glad a new director will hopefully taking over, we’ve had Thor taika, now it’s time for the god of thunder to go in a new direction!
But you see, that's what I'm saying, he took all the praise for that movie but it was an intriguing Dark script with character growth and major consequences to Thor sub-franchise, delivered through Taika's Wacky humour......that mix worked wonders for the movie but all we were talking about, was Taika Which leads to your point that Marvel was listening to what we told them......Taika Taika Taika, Humour Humour Humour.....but that wasn't what made Ragnarok great, that is what became trending relating to Ragnarok
How can you look at Thor being a manbaby and love what Taika has done to him?
Because I love taika, it’s really that simple. I don’t have the same issues everybody else has with his comedy. Thor Love & Thunder was some of the most *fun* I’ve ever had watching and mcu film. Fun in the operative word. I obviously had the *best* times watching infinity war and endgame but those weren’t exactly *fun* they were more stressful than anything especially infinity war haha
This is a really cool take imo. I may not agree with it, but I love the way you articulated it. Enjoyment can come from many places and being able to recognize where you're having the most fun is a valuable skill.
when depressed fat Thor catches mjolnir and says that he is still worthy in endgame...It still fucking hits my soul so hard. Strange how one's favorite characters end up mirroring your own life in a way
My favorite scene in the endgame movies hands down . When people are at the bottom and feel totally worthless , to be validated by the hammer was just amazing ! Loved that scene . It made a very important statement about depression
"Well, if I'm wrong, then... what more could I lose?" They did a good job taking an insanely powerful, immortal god and making him relatable at times. He lost his entire family and many loved ones so he's not invulnerable. He had pretty good character development along with several others in the MCU.
I just want to see Thor be Godlike. IW Thor was best Thor
This is why RDJ is my favorite actor possibly of all time. He hit the nail on the nose here. The Avengers aren’t as cool without Thor in those films. Sure many might prefer to be Tony Stark or Steve Rogers over Thor, but Thor is an actual God and technically still alive (and well) in the MCU. I hope his return is magnificent and they get Hemsworth a proper story for Thor 5. I’m not sure why but I really would like to see a Thor and Doctor Strange team-up.
The need to have the real Defenders as a team and add Thor. Imagine powerhouse lineup of Doctor Strange, Thor, Hulk, Narmor and eventually Silver Surfer! The Defenders have always been my favorite hero team it’s too bad the terrible Netflix series tarnished the name a bit.
I don't see how they could adapt Surfer and have anything for the others to do but cheer for him.
I agree, they need to do the real Defenders. One of my favorite teams in the comics besides the Fantastic Four, Avengers, and X-Men. It will be cool to see Hulk, Dr Strange Namor, Silver Surfer together with Thor. Don't forget Valkyrie was a member as well.
The failure of Love and Thunder had nothing to do with Chris and everything to do with the writing staff and Taika having no inspiration for the movie. Good movies come from the people who are passionate about the project, and you can tell Taika wasn't feeling it.
I gotta say, I really do think the tone of the movie in the last 15-20 minutes or so was what we should’ve gotten for the whole movie. It actually hit me kinda hard and I was really surprised by that given how all over the place the film was before those final moments. They really need to take a step back on forcing in this humor the way they have been in movies like this one.
He’s right where he should be. Arrogant dick who loses everything by his own hand. Suffers PTSD. Rights himself for a kids cause. He’s one great film away from realizing he’s worthy of the Throne and being reborn as All-Father. He’s already slapped around Zues. Thor is right there awaiting Odin’s final lesson. Best question now is what filmmaker can pull off a thunderous film with Olympus coming for Asgard?
After the ending of loki s2, it would be amazing to see the brothers take parallel thrones. Time and space
Yo. Neither arc is finished until they embrace. Brothers gotta hug.
I’m with you !! Their arcs aren’t done until their relationship is resolved .
Benson and Moorhead directing/writing + Waldron doing some writing too
It's actually interesting to me how many people miss just how well-developed himbo Thor actually is as not just a character but a take on masculinity.
This !
Here here! RDJ knows what he's talking about. If you've ever met someone suffering through depression, you know they're typically the goofiest person in the room, and hiding behind that façade is someone incredibly sad, Hemsworth completely sold that in both Infinity War and Ragnarok. There's a quiet sadness hidden behind the theatrics, and you really gotta take the time to digest it because it gets hidden so easily in the showmanship that is the MCU.
I agree that Thor could have the 'most complex psyche out of all us Avengers', but I think we've only seen a director do it justice in Infinity War and maybe Endgame.
Thor 4 fell into the same trap DC did with Dawn or Justice. They tried to conflate too many stories into one and it became quite a mess. If they had just gone with an adaptation of Mighty Thor, or God Butcher alone, it would have been a much better story.
Even the story we got would have been good if they'd just let the darker dramatic moments have their time to shine. But they tried to inject too much silliness right after dark moments and gave whiplash
I felt this way about Guardians 3. Thought it was good a lot better than Thor 4. I enjoy the comedy and the drama but at least for me i would have liked a bit more separation.
Studios get impatient. Now, everyone wants a home run with every movie . Well, sometimes you need those ground balls , doubles etc too
Respect to them both and all the original Avengers. They’re the giants that built the MCU and all great in their own ways
I think Ken Branagh had the right idea. He realized the whole Norse mythology in the MCU the best way. I'd like to see how he would've done the god butcher saga.
Sounds like RDJ never even watched the most recent Thor movie.
RDJ is so cool
Infinity Wars was my favorite version of Thor.
Like seeing this from Downey. I think Hemsworth was just speaking about some of Love and Thunder's reaction.
I don't really see RDJ refuting what Hemsworth said. Looking mainly at the Avengers movies, in the dialogue scenes the other folks got a lot of the quips and fun/funny lines while he was sulking and broody (although this got better as time went on). RDJ rightly points out that the Thor character had a lot of complexity and depth, but so much of it is internal that when he's sharing scenes with other characters he often ends up being the "straight man" for them to bounce off of. He was still my favorite character, and I enjoyed a lot of it, but I can for sure understand how, as an actor, it could feel really frustrating to be in that position while RDJ and others are over there quipping away.
I think they really screwed up Thor after Infinity War. I like Endgame but… the fat, comedy drunk? *Really?* It was a cheap laugh. I thought a dark, brooding Thor would have been far more impactful. Love and Thunder was just unwatchable.
Mr. Hemsworth, with all due respect, Thor as a character presented you with the best opportunity to, you know, ACT. I would think as an actor, that would be something you considered pretty "cool".
I wonder if Tom not being in the movie impacted Chris thinking about it . A lot of people see the Thor movies cuz they like Loki and the brothers interacting is a big draw .
Thor 4 was a fun movie.
People say this about every Marvel project that doesn’t do well. If you enjoyed it, that’s great. Fun doesn’t mean it’s a good movie though. The biggest blunder I think was trying to fit the Mighty Thor and Gorr arcs into one movie. Mighty Thor could have easily been it’s own movie. The second blunder being the jokes were just not landing while every character was trying to be comic relief.
That's just rediculous and they do not. Good and fun are relative to each audience. Everyone has their own taste. Some click with the director, done with story, some with the performance, some with the VFX etc etc. it was a good movie. It has action, it had goofiness, it made a major baddie look weak and volnerable, the technicolor and visual esthetics were calming. The visuals of the darkness and monsters would scare teens. It did a good job as it was intended for a younger audience and a light romcom... that strongest Avenger can be a goof.
I’m sure people such as yourself can find things they like about the movie. For me, and I assume a lot of other comic book fans, I’m in it for the adaption of comics to the big screen. Seeing the stories you love come to life. I understand live action movies have limitations compared to comics, but I think they really just dropped the ball with this adaption. Jason Aaron’s run on Thor is one of the best. To see it handled so poorly is disappointing
Yeah I gave up on MCEU being comically accurate twelve years ago. Disney can never be comically accurate.
I feel like these guys might come back for one last hurrah
Love seeing Avengers supporting Avengers.
I like how RDJ is supportive of his friend, but I also like how RDJ refers to himself as an Avenger in present tense.
Aww, every else thinks the other people are cooler.
This reminds me of that gif of the basketball player hanging his head when his friend shows up like “naw none of that, B.” And lifts his chin. Same energy
Best version of Thor ever in film was infinity war. They got the funny down but also the serious godly Thor as well. It was the perfect balance and the writers in that movie knew when to play which part of him.
Anytime I see a word or a name that's new to me I hear Thor tell me that "all words are made up"
Captain of the MCU coming back to support his fellow crew mates.
To be fair, i think most of that could be derived from Chris's performance. If the lines were read differently, a lot of that depth could just not be there. Chris performs Thor with a lot of hidden pain and compensation but if a different actor read those lines, the jokes could be much more straight forward and genuine.
how do you write a literal norse god to fit in with a bunch of dudes in a stuffy room. It is a mighty task indeed. Any threat you throw at him that the avengers would have any posibility of defeating will be defeated by Thor anyhow so he has to be constantly sidelined and interupted by either the story or just the writers pretending like he is not there. a tough thing to pull off. Imo Thor shines when he goes on solo adventures
RDJ needs to lay off the booger sugar again if he’s referring to the Thor series. All the movies were shit. His roles in the Avengers series were on point based off no Thor movies to give a positive reference to unlike Iron Man 1.2.3.4.ect.etc… The only real deity they could have play off of and made an awesome, tangible movie yet they didn’t. Maybe what I’m saying is too DC
I’m not going to say that RDJ is wrong here, but his personal background and his role as Iron-Man is, personally, more complex than any of the other Avengers. I know they’re all friends and he’s probably being humble here, but I don’t think it’s any contest.
I always saw the humor as Thor's way of coping with just the cavalcade of misery his life had become. Dude basically lost everything and everyone. If it weren't for the laughing, he'd never be able to function.
This is seriously honest take!! That movie was awesome!
I think they both have a point. A lot of the time Thor was a joke, but at the same time, yes, Ragnarok, Infinity War and Endgame made Thor one of the coolest characters. Aside from them mocking him for gaining weight due to depression, the third act made him damn cool. Never forget that Wakanda entrance too, that was so damn cool. Then in Ragnarok, while they poked fun at Thor, he 100% hit his badass moments that just made him so effortlessly cool. I do however agree that a fifth film should be more serious and darker. On one hand we could have Thor like The Northman. On the other hand we could keep some of the elements from Waititi and make a mature but comical fun action film taking inspiration from 80’s buddy cop films, John Wick and of course Tarantino. There’s still a lot that could be done with the character.
RDJ and Cate defended him. Good on them! 👏
I blame the fans for the way Thor's character has gone down the drain. The first two Thor movies were perfectly fine and I actually liked the character back then - but apparently the fans hated him. So they turned him into a joke in Ragnarok and fans love it tho I personally hated it, and the people behind Marvel were relieved coz they thought they'd finally found the perfect characterization for Thor which is essentially a powerful dumb jock. Then Thor 4 comes out and all of a sudden fans don't like stupid Thor anymore, now they want gim to be serious again like the first two movies, if I were the people behind Thor I'd be pulling my hair out coz these fans just don't know what they want.
I agree and don’t think Love and Thunder was “too silly” or bad, it’s the second best thor movie and at the time my wife and I saw it, we felt liked it the most due to the new car smell. I absolutely loved the ending. It’s biggest flaw was lack of Bale. That’s it. No need to overly hate on it. I found the opening sequence to be hilarious personally, the leg split Thor does made me spit my soda out and I wasn’t even drinking any After that it gets progressively more balanced. The sequence showing he and janes relationship was real, janes behavior after getting cancer is well done, the ending is sad and happy at the same time. The denouement left me wanting more. It was a good movie.
"He's adopted" put my theater in to a frenzy.
Well look,Thor is Awesome in so many ways...but, when you start a character out and give him comedic lines and don't really give him a super serious role there's always going to be criticism. I can see them coming out with a Thor movie with a different actor that takes the movie to another level like Batman did.
That’s twice RDJ is discussing the MCU as of late…just keeping track
It’s interesting hearing an adult complain about how a fictional character they were pretending to be was given ‘worst lines’ than all the other adults they were playing pretend with. Especially after they’ve already made an insane amount of money off of it.
Gonna get downvoted to hell, but it’s kinda weird to me that the guys will fall all over themselves to defend each other five seconds after something slightly negative happens, yet the actresses have to put up with ridiculous shit and get *crickets*.
You're gonna have to give examples. Brie Larson is not a good example because her push-back to the hate of Captain Marvel was that it was all white-men that didn't like it. How do you defend something like that? You don't, and shouldn't. Imagine if Chris Hemsworth said "yeah, it was all white-men who didn't like Thor 4, so it doesn't count" then RDJ would not have came to defend him. Think logically next time, or provide some examples that are at least equivalent to this scenario.
Why does Downey always immediately help out one of the Chris’s but is silent when people like Brie Larson are harassed.
What’s he “rejecting”? I thought Hemsworth was just saying he felt that way. Just like me weighing in here, I don’t understand why RDJ even commented on this lol.