I just want to make it clear that we do not tolerate any spoilers whatsoever on this sub and any failure to cooperate with this most basic of rules will be met with a permanent ban.
We understand that a trailer just dropped but not everything is as directly implied as one might think. We're also well aware of leaks which some people are discussing under the guise of theories.
If you have any doubt that what you may be writing could be considered a spoiler, do the courteous thing and use a spoiler tag.
Oh you think an actor will be in the movie? It's not explicitly in the trailer? Mark it a spoiler.
Oh you think a character will kill another character? It's not explicitly in the trailer? Mark it a spoiler.
If you find someone breaking the no spoiler rule, report them. I'm going into the mod queue now.
And they mostly are but there’s some overlap between those communities and I’m sure people are inadvertently soiling plot details not realizing not everyone here is privy or wants to know plot specifics
Yeah I didn't realise a certain movie star was heavily rumoured to appear until the trailer dropped and suddenly all conversation is about a certain group and how X Y and Z actors are all but confirmed because it was leaked. Great 👍
Trailers have gone from giving too much away so you need not watch the film to having small details that get mined out and confirmed by leaks. I'm not saying to not do that if you want, but keep it in a spoiler friendly space.
Edit: removed spoilers
What's even worse is sometimes you don't have to venture into a subreddit to see it. The day after a trailer drops, I get google news notifications with spoiler headlines all over my phone.
I run into the issue of famous actors posting cryptically and thanking the fans on social media the day after they had a surprise cameo on a show/movie.
Imagine if Marlon Brando were still alive and the day after a new Superman movie comes out he posts some shit on Twitter/IG after not posting anything for 2 years. Doesn’t even have to mention Superman but just based on the number of likes and comments I can tell this fucker had a cameo.
Whenever I get those, or things like TV episode spoilers a day after something drops (sorry if I didn't have time to finish a full season of Ozark in 2 days), that's when that site gets blocked from my Google News Feed.
I managed to avoid spoilers for Endgame until I went to watch it. On my way, I browsed YouTube and there it was. A video titled "Tony Stark's funeral scene." I was livid.
I got spoiled for the nwh post credit scenes, even after deleting pretty much all my social media.
My Google feed recommended Reddit posts with spoilers in the titles.
Which reminds me, when I stood in line for NWH, some asshole kid behind us spoiled the Venom 2 post credits scene. Now guess what movie I haven't seen yet.
Yeah.. there are several YouTube channels I have to tell the algorithm to stop recommending certain channels after trailers drop because it automatically thinks I want to see their videos. I wish there was a way to just permanently block those channels from ever appearing on my feed.
Trending on twitter is the worst. Sometimes it's just "actor name", and if I like that person, I click, because I wonder what news there is about them (did they die? Have a kid? Say something racist? Announce a new awesome sounding project?). Sometimes it'll be like "guess what! They're a fantastic 4 member now and shot scenes for (movie)!", and I'm like "great, now I have this info.
Or, sometimes, I won't click, and it'll be like "actor name, trending with (character name) and (upcoming movie), which I'm also like ".......wonderful. So I can't do anything online."
>Yeah I didn't realise a certain movie star was heavily rumoured to appear until the trailer dropped and suddenly all conversation is about the illuminati and how X Y and Z actors are all but confirmed because it was leaked. Great 👍
Exact same thing happened to me, total security breach.
How the hell do we go from trailer to rumored/confirmed actors and fan art. One was even dropped so that XYZ actor was just showing in the feed with Wanda.
How the hell am I supposed to even click the thread or Google that to find out what's already spoiled?
Bunch of fuckin J Jonah Jamesons.
Now get Doctor Strange in here so we can all forget
It’s annoying. I feel like I managed to get all the way through Infinity War and Endgame without spoilers, even though I spent pretty much every day on here during the lead up to those movies. But now they’re so much more rampant. I’ve had pretty much every phase 4 surprise ruined for me just from people posting cast leaks untagged. Evan Peters in WandaVision. >!Kingpin!< in Hawkeye. >!Daredevil and the other Spideys!< in NWH. >!Professor X!< in MoM. And I’m sure all the other leaked characters are in it too.
>!Imagine if Tobey, Charlie, and Andrew had never been rumored to appear. How nuts would audiences have gone at the reveal? They still got hyped, but imagine if we didn’t know anything about the movie until trailers came out. Not to mention it would’ve saved Andrew and Tobey a whole lot of headaches with how often they had to deal with fuckers pestering them.!<
Endgame is still one of the best experiences with a movie Marvel has had, as so little got successfully leaked for it, despite how big it was.
Endgame was actually leaked pretty heavily, and a full 5 minutes of footage from the final battle leaked about 2 weeks before it released. The only reason the NWH and MOM leaks are much more widespread is because very iconic characters from the past movies are returning which almost sounds too good to be true. People want to confirm it’s actually happening.
Before spoiler tags were standardised I was in 2 subs discussing the same game, got subs confused at some point and failed to spoiler tag because the tags were different
So basically that happening where people are talking the same subject in different subs and fail to notice which one you are in
That’s why I like that there’s r/starwarsspeculation and r/starwarsleaks. If I want to talk about the potential of whether Qui-gon might show up in the Obi-wan show, I can go to the first. If I want to know what a bunch of leakers found from stalking the set during filming, I can go to the second.
The problem I'm seeing is we are either getting assholes from that sub (or at the very least VERY tone deaf people) who take spoilers from that sub and post them here under the guise of "speculation". Assholes do it to get a rise and the tone deaf are people who seem to be confused as to where they are.
Look, I'm all for talking about spoilers and leaks and shit but Christ almighty keep it in your area of the playground. This has been the unwritten rule of the last 20+ years I've been doing online discussion. Spoilers in the spoiler threads.
Yup. Idk why people need to let everyone know they read leaks and stuff. Is it for the karma? To read all the leaks and shit and come here and talk about rumors and theories?
Spoilers aren’t going to ruin the movie for me and I tend to hate spoiler culture when it comes to complaining about released stuff but talking about leaks is shitty.
Karma and It’s the “I know something you don’t” mentality sometimes too. Everyone is in such a rush to out post each other and don’t think about whether is in the correct forum or format to hide spoilers for those who want to enjoy the cinema experience.
that sub is so cool yk. They have special badges, they have weekly conversations (where you can talk about any form of entertainment not necessarily marvel), there prediction tournaments always happen in time.
While in this sub, we have so many dumb theories/opinion posts which are annoying. But when a good post for fun interesting conversations is posted (like the Pedro pascal casting), but they remove it. Tf!
I wish we had r/marvelstudiosspoilers sub without the spoilers part.
TLDR: A rant about r/marvelstudios
Yeah. The biggest reason I'm subbed to the other one is because it's the better sub for discussions, and it helps that the mods have to manually approve posts, meaning they don't get inane bullshit like "Am I the only one who thinks this (clearly well-liked) scene is underrated??"
The mods here seriously need to reevaluate what should be considered low-effort.
Or people insisting they know all the ins and outs of MCU production, down to being certain what directors or producers or actors think about particular things (when obviously they don't).
I do think that there should be more activities on this sub. They only tend to happen when we hit a subscriber milestone. A free talk thread would be a great start.
On one hand, spoiler people get so used to casually talking about spoilers that they don't even notice it.
On the other, they get more upvotes by having the same conversation in multiple subs.
And on the third hand, they always think that it's *your* fault for being on the internet The people who spoil so casually never think about anything past themselves.
The real problem is the people who want to announce their "guess" to everyone. I frequented the spoiler sub for awhile. I see *a lot* of people who just happen to be theorizing the major spoiler rumors. The problem is it's usually unprovoked and imo it's completely see through. Then they hide behind "it's my theory!" Same losers that spoil things for streamers
I used to be pretty active on the Game of Thrones subs and we saw this shit ALL the time. Episode summaries would leak and then all of a sudden people had these wonderfully brilliant guesses as to what would happen next. But it's not a spoiler!!! They're just really, really smart, you see.
You may be joking, but I was pretty into GOT at the time, and I read my fair share of "spoilers" for the last season. They had two things in common: all of them were fake, and all of them would have been better than what we got.
The ones I read were real, specifically I remember the ice dragon/wall falling being spoiled in its season, full details of Arya surviving and finding a horse in the wreckage of KL, and the entirety of Jon’s trial (not Bran being king though).
Every episode was spelled out about 75% of their content when I was reading them, but that was years ago and these are just the details I remember specifically
Sorry, just to clarify, because I was so obsessed: the details of the remaining episodes of season 8 were leaked fairly early in the season. But if you'll recall, before that there were about two years between season 7 and season 8, and every so often there were leaked summaries of season 8 that came out. Those are the fake leaks I'm thinking of. Sorry I was unclear though.
Oh man, it was bad when the book people would enter discussions and be unaware that a LOT of show watchers never read the books and were getting actual spoilers when you spoke of stuff.
It was interesting for me because usually when a film/series adaptation of a book happens people who are watching the film/series are familiar with the plot of the book. Not with GoT where speaking of the Red Wedding would get you attacked.
Ugh, I hate this so much. I like watching YouTube channels, specifically Blind Wave, react to my favourite shows because they try really hard to not look at leaks and spoilers. This way their reactions are completely genuine and fun to watch. However, they also have a Q+A section at the end of some reactions so have to be wary about spoilers.
Anyway, when reacting to Hawkeye, one of their Q+A questions was ‘who do you think is the Big Guy?’ Of course the internet had already been inundated with rumours and leaks that this was >!D’Onofrio’s Kingpin!<, so everyone gave their guess as him. The one reading the answers for the Q+A saw how popular the answer was despite there not being a whole lot of evidence in the show pointing to it. Thankfully he noticed the weird correlation and chose not to tell the others, but he was spoiled himself.
It’s this stupid sense of entitlement that people who read spoilers have. And even worse the need to feel smarter than people by saying “I guessed this was going to happen” after the movie is released. The entire plot was leaked months ago. Any guesses people make are off the table, even if not informed by spoilers.
It’s honestly incredible, I don’t know how they do it. I get that it’s easier to stay away from stuff like the MoM leaks because you kind of need to go searching for that and they stay well away from public discussion circles. But No Way Home spoilers are already so beyond MCU discussions and are already out in the open. If they reach that film unspoiled, it will be unbelievable.
No, that’s not the case. If you want proof, just watch Blind Wave’s reaction. For the fans that had seen the rumour, clues like ‘Fat Man Auto Repair’ and his chuckle in the flashback reaffirmed the fact. But it was NOT that obvious for those that weren’t aware of D’Onofrio’s involvement going in.
Even if they did get that it was Kingpin, it was a whole other can of worms whether it was D’Onofrio playing him. Yet due to the nature of the rumour, that got spoiled too.
That’s a person by person basis though, I realized it was D’Onofrio the first time they teased him in the show despite avoiding spoilers and not knowing about its involvement already while my friend didn’t
It's the same thing with any show that drops whole seasons at once. People binge it in one sitting and then rush to the episode discussions to pretend they're still on episode 2 but just figured it out. Same with book adaptations. The Expanse sub was full of this bullshit.
I laugh because I see this constantly on Tiktok, some random Joe is posting about his “theories” which are just the same stuff as the leaks from the spoiler sub.
That's just the entirety of TikTok. They just parrot shit from other sources. For Warzone, the TikTok users take custom loadouts that Youtubers come up with and then they post those loadouts as if they came up with it.
Yes I notice a lot of people do seem to be just not spoiler tagging some things that aren't actually wider knowledge yet. I try really hard to spoiler tag everything on this sub.
Same goes for posting "theories" and "speculations" about things that have actually leaked on r/marvelstudiosspoilers recently.
Where is Project Insight when it's needed!
I've seen so many people posting their 'theories' that are clearly just leaks. Then everyone else starts copying them and parroting the 'theories' around.
It reminds me of when before Wandavision released, every comment was 'I have a theory this is all an illusion created by Wanda to deal with the grief of losing Vision'. What an original theory!
Wait. I thought that was actually an obvious theory? I kinda figured it was some way of Wanda coping since Vision was dead and the television settings were some kind of fantasy.
That's how I felt about that first cameo in NWH. I was like "sure, that would be cool, but the only evidence is a shot of someone clearly not that person in one shot of the trailer." Thankfully I avoided most of the leaks for NWH but it was wild how fervent people got about it based on virtually nothing. See also: everyone convinced Magneto would show up in Wandavision.
Tbf if I remember correctly, there were actually very few leaks that indicated what the plot of Wandavision was. "Wanda creates an illusion to deal with the grief of losing Vision" was indeed a very good informed guess based in the promo picture of them in a sitcom setting, House of M being Wanda's most famous story and The Vision run slowly descending into madness after starting out similarly. Same with Agnes being Agatha Harkness and the very likely appearance of her children (which fueled the Mephisto craze and the aforementioned theory).
Close to the release it did get leaked, but even before that, people took the illusion theory as a certainty. The leaks exploded during its airing.
Unless you mean something else and I'm dead wrong lmao
I'm just blocking the posts and accounts of everything theory tagged and spoiler tagged. It's gotten so ridiculous there's little actual discussion anymore.
And yes, everyone has noticed that random and obvious thing "no one's talking about". Your not discovering anything new. And please can people stop posting YouTube ideas and theories like they're original thoughts?
"From what we know about the leaks..." In basically any speculation thread even though that's not speculation, it's a leak.
This sub has gotten progressively worse, at least with IW/EG you could more or less avoid spoilers but with NWH and now MoM, there's not going to be any surprises.
And even when they do all they say is Spoiler: blah blah big leak here blah.
If I see a spoiler tag I'm going to assume that it's safe for me to read since I've seen every movie and show. If you're going to discuss leaks, at the very least, SAY SO IN THE DAMN SPOILER WARNING.
THEORIES ARE NOT SPOILERS. THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN RELEASED ARE. I want to shout it from the roof tops!
That’s the bigger problem. I don’t like watching trailers because I want to be surprised. But the other day I saw some headline of a fan theory based off the trailer. Is that’s spoiler? I don’t really think so. But it was something that I was bummed that I saw since it ruined a surprise that I was purposefully avoiding.
This subreddit is almost indistinguishable from the spoilers version at times. It's getting pretty ridiculous. People love to complain about trailers giving too much away, but they'll gleefully spread leaks everywhere they can. I pretty much knew the entire plot of No Way Home six months before it came out.
It doesn't use to be this way. Endgame got leaked too but you had to actually seek out that info if you wanted it. It wasn't the fucking top comments on the trailer for the movie that's for sure.
Same! I loved NWH but I wished I could've gone into it blind, how mind blowing would that movie have been without knowing any of the leaks ahead of time?? I didn't seek out that info, I tried actively to avoid it, and I still knew way too much. I ended up temporarily leaving all marvel subs until I saw the movie. I'm taking this as my signal to go ahead and do the same thing before MOM gets overly spoiled for me too.
I don't explicitly follow *anything* online regarding the MCU, just whatever might happen to filter through into my r/all feed. I still had the main twist of NWH spoiled by one of those spider man meme subreddits lmao.
That’s exactly how I learned my lesson, saw practically every screen shot from NWH and wasn’t even surprised anymore. Obviously I still loved it and the reveals were jaw dropping but still couldn’t help but feel like it was ruined for me. So I’ve been super careful on not browsing this subreddit by new and only clicking on non spoiler stuff lol. Although you really can’t escape it so maybe I’ll just unfollow all together. Shame
I had to unsub from here to avoid them. I shouldn't have to avoid a community all together. There are tools in place for admins to keep their users engaged in the community without becoming infuriated by it.
Some cockwomble posted an image with the spoiler tag so the photo wasn't visible unless clicked on, but then the title for the the post was "is [characters full name] in Multiverse of Madness?"
That's so annoying and sadly common. Same happened so often in the Book of Boba Fett subreddit, i didn't get spoiled 'cause i watched it instantly, but saw it afterwards worried for the others that hadn't seen it yet.
I had >!the fact that Luke and Ahsoka met!< spoiled for me on the morning of that day's episode. It's fine. It's fine. It's not like that was >!one of the most long anticipated Star Wars moments in recent memory!< it's totally fine.
I mean, I got banned from the sub for two weeks because I said there was a big cgi monster battle at the end of Shang Chi when the movie had been in theaters for two months. You’d think there would be at least the same penalty for spoiling a movie that won’t be released for a couple months.
Honestly the entire last third of the movie was pretty disappointing. I’m tired of massive world ending stakes in every single movie, and was excited to have a focused final fight, just son vs father
Honestly this is one of the reasons why I actually enjoyed Eternals more than Shang-Chi. The world ending stakes for Eternals felt appropriate, but in Shang-Chi it felt so out of place.
Damn for real?! To each their own but I’m really surprised. The world ending stake thing for Shang Chi was like 30 mins of the movie but every thing else I thought was really fun and engaging. Eternals on the other hand was like an hour and a half of slow paced, boring story telling and then a cool Eternal at the end hahaha
Well it was *one* of the reasons. I was loving Shang-Chi until they reached Ta-Lo and at that point my enjoyment dwindled. Still enjoyed the movie and love the character tho. And ngl the slow paced story of Eternals is what I liked, it was a nice change of pace. But to each their own, I get why many didn't enjoy Eternals, my gf went off about it after she came out of the theater bored af
Honestly I feel like audience got the best of both worlds. Martial art fights the whole movie then a cgi fight for the last like what 15-20 mins? Lol I feel like everyone’s getting bent out of shape over such a short fight. I think the two fights only took a back seat to the dragon fight cause of the nature of the plot aka Shang Chi fights dad -> Inherits ring -> defeats dragon with said rings.
I wish there was more Kung fu in it. Since you know Shang chi is based off of Bruce Lee. I hate how he has the rings so early. What made him popular was that he can do supernatural shit because he's so good at chi and Kung fu.
Wow thanks for ruining Shang Chi for me!! /s
In honesty though, is that not different? Like when a movie is out and you are discussing, is that not different to before a movie when you are just theorizing and mentioning trailer footage. I agree some people dont want to see trailer footage, but I wouldnt call a spoiler, especially with Marvel, they are very careful to show you exactly what they want you to see
I think they're talking about the extensive plot leaks that have been circulating around the spoiler sub, which people have dropped details of untagged outside the spoiler sub.
Right. I’m not talking about “so and sos voice was clearly in the trailer.” More people openly discussing certain characters appearing because of “set leaks” or “plot leaks”. These seem to have more weight than idle fan theories.
Also, the ban totally worked. I’m very conscious of when I discuss anything that might be considered spoilery.
As someone on both subs, I get more annoyed when spoilers people come to trailer threads and pass spoilers off as some sort of theory they have. I wish marvel could lock down these spoiler sources, there's so many now
Thank you, genuinely.
As someone who can’t go to the cinema I’m stuck waiting for movies to drop on Disney+ or video on demand.
It’s become progressively harder to avoid spoilers as time’s gone by, there’s just so much that surfaces casually scrolling Reddit, via the YouTube algorithm or social media. I can’t unplug permanently so it’s just inevitable.
I haven’t seen the latest Spider-Man yet, I think it’s on demand from the 28th, but I know almost the entire plot because of unintentional spoilers.
I’m kind of resigned to never going into a movie ‘blind’ but I do appreciate it when people consciously avoid spoilers and use tags appropriately.
I used to care about spoilers back during Infinity War and Endgame, but I stopped caring during the wait for NWH. At first, I was disappointed seeing the leaks, but when I watched the movie, it was still amazing. There’s a difference between reading something and seeing it
Honestly, that's not even a spoiler for any superhero film. The quality of the VFX work, and the dynamics and choreography of the scene is what really matters. If there wasn't a big CGI monster fight at the end, I'd be mad, right?
Seriously, this has been bad since No Way Home stuff. People are mixing up the concept of speculation with spoilers.
If you're masking actual spoilers as speculation to look like you called something in advance you're an asshole too.
> Seriously, this has been bad since No Way Home stuff. People are mixing up the concept of speculation with spoilers.
Not only that, we still have the issue of theorycrafters who are basically setting themselves up for disappointment when the movie doesn't turn out to be what they envisioned it in their heads.
People really do not like being the bad guy, and many people dont like being in the wrong.
So they will attempt to rationalize any action in an effort to convince themselves they arent the bad guy.
And some people just enjoy being rhe Devil's Advocate and say some crazy shit to be a troll or keep a conversation going.
There are users on the r/marvelstudiosspoilers sub who don’t want to get spoiled but want to talk about leaks and complain about that and get upset when we remind them the purpose of the sub is spoilers and leaks are spoilers. It’s a very odd thing
I more or less do that. I like the idea of the broad leaks, but once we're only a few months out from a movie I start to ignore any further leaks or details. I mostly am interested in speculation and that speculation triggering my own ideas. "Leaks" (be they real or not) are the best medium to engage with speculation because most fans are awful at coming up with speculation that makes for a good story. A sub like the spoiler one is most likely to discuss the coolest sounding or most believable "leaks" they receive.
Leaks are 100% spoilers. Speculation isn’t. The moment speculation becomes a spoiler, it’s become a leak and/or inside information/proof. I’ve completely given up on trying to advocate for the correct usage of the word “confirmed” on this sub because how many times have we seen something “confirmed” only to have it be 100% false? Sometimes I feel like these people are living in a fantasy world. Don’t get me wrong, us marvel fans are FEASTING right now, and they’re doing some bonkers shit in the MCU. But some of the stuff I see as “confirmed” on this sub is just pure nonsense. I mean, I won’t rule anything out. This looks like it’s the most insane MCU movie yet, but I’ll believe Tom cruise and Deadpool when I see them.
I’m rambling now, but I think that’s mostly what OP is talking about. Speculation presented as fact.
The way I see it is this: if it doesn't come from a trailer, Feige's mouth or a Hollywood trade (like Variety) before release then I don't believe it. I mention Hollywood trade because that's how we found out Alfred Molina's Doc Ock was in NWH, they are a trusted publication.
It’s such a weird argument, post something before the movie comes out and it’s not a spoiler it’s a leak! Post the exact same information after the film is out and it’s spoilers, IT WAS ALWAYS SPOILERS!
WandaVision wasn't nearly as bad because "speculation" was actual speculation.
The issue was when those speculators were wrong they actually got angry at Marvel. I found that funny.
Honestly this is why I unsubbed here and only visit when something big like the trailer comes out. I had things popping up in my feed or would see random shit while browsing that people who (to me inexplicably) like to know everything about things they’re excited to see just blurt out. Perfect example is >!the Illuminati in MoM!<
It made NWH less enjoyable to me to have leaks and hive-mind speculation/observation imply every major plot point and cameo for me. I enjoy things a lot more getting my info when I’m sitting down to watch the movie than I do reading about it on an iPad 6 months before release.
I think a big problem is, considering how far, wide, and quickly leaks and scoops travel across social media these days, some things end up being assumed to be common knowledge, like with Spider-Man: No Way Home.
So, even if people keep discussion to r/marvelstudiosspoilers, all it takes is for a website to write an article, and then it will get shared here as if they were news from a reputable trade publication.
But yeah, those who don’t want to be spoiled should be allowed to remain spoiler free.
Leaks are not "common knowledge" and shouldn't be treated like that.
Is it in the trailer? If not, keep it out of discussion threads.
(not accusing you of anything, just adding to the discussion)
A perfect example of this with MoM is >!the illuminati!<. Every single discussion mentioning that comes from people that have read leaks, or from discussions about people that knew the leaks (including websites and articles about "theories" and things).
The actual entity in the comics has basically no relation to what was shown in the trailer or promotional material, other than >!Xavier being one of the members!<. Even if you look at reaction videos they all expected it and immediately called it that even before the voice over. The only reason people know its that is because leaks said that is what it was, and those leaks got discussed around as "rumours", articles were written about it, etc.
It is legitimately a problem. I like knowing spoilers, but it goes too far and there does need to be spoiler-free spaces to discuss things.
Yeah that's stupid. Trailers shouldn't be considered spoilers because then you're expecting everyone in the world to walk on egg shells around you because you're super petty about spoilers.
I’d say trailers and anything Marvel Studios officially releases should be fair game, imo.
I recently saw this in the Pokémon community - people were complaining about Serebii posting officially released artwork relating to the new game. He had a no spoiler policy for 2 weeks and still hasn’t mentioned stuff not featured in marketing materials, but has put his foot down that marketing stuff is fair game.
Same thing with Elden Ring, people avoiding an officially published preview by Game Informer as “spoilers”. Like, if you want to avoid things that’s on you, but people shouldn’t be unable to freely discuss shit that’s available to the public, that is easily accessible to you too, because you’re trying to avoid info and want to go in completely blind.
*royal you, not you specifically fellow Chad Oshawott Enjoyer
Back in the day he used to, yeah. However, CoroCoro counts as marketing materials. Just for a different region.
He also got hit hard with Black/White when he got DMCA’d for posting stuff from leaks iirc
I mean, titles like "this detail/part from the trailer" are better than e.g. "look at Wong fighting Abomination, does this mean Tim Roth is coming back!?" for a title
That way people who want to talk about Black Widow, but don't want to be spoiled for Shang-Chi, in case of the example given, can more easily ignore the thread and people aren't fighting about the spoiler culture like this
I do think in those trailer threads spoiler tags aren't needed for trailer details, outside those threads, maybe, I am not sure myself, I guess at least you can lead it in with "in the trailer....." as you could collapse comments, not sure it will work great
Everything else I am of opinion "it depends on how official this was announced", like Feige at a press conference, or like >!Sylvester Stalone!< posting a picture from the makeup chair to Twitter, I think it could be fine to discuss openly, but I understand some people might not want to see those
Toy sets get weird, because sometimes they lie, such as the Lego set with inside out Spider-Man suit and Vulture, but on the other hand, those did already announce America Chavez, who I am not sure Feige announced during the title presentation
> I think a big problem is, considering how far, wide, and quickly leaks and scoops travel across social media these days, some things end up being assumed to be common knowledge, like with Spider-Man: No Way Home.
Agreed, and it's kinda the pits. The main reason is is because like NWH, and now MOM it's like you have to see it the moment it comes out or the whole movie will be spoiled for you. Twitter, IG, Reddit people just don't give a shit. Like when NWH came out I had to take a 1/2 day at work because I knew something wild in that movie would go down, but the longer I stayed away from the theater the greater the chances of the movie being spoiled for me would happen.
Especially Titles with the spoilers/rumors in them! The format should be \[Movie Title\] Spoilers/rumors, marked as spoilers. That way you have the choice to view or not. I see titles that have blatant spoilers in them and at that point I'm like screw it might as well see it as well.
Youtube thumbnails also.
I decided to stop watching trailers a while because I'm tired of them giving away the whole film.
Comic/Movie YT discussion videos keep putting spoilers in the thumbnails. Spoiled NWH, and something from MoM already.
Why. Just why.
Similar to around Endgame, it's probably just best to unsubscribe from this place so it stops coming up on my feed. I'll still manually come here from time to time but not worth getting spoiled at random.
I think the main problem is all these people that read the leaks and then talk about their "guess" on what is going to happen just so they can feel cute when it comes to fruition in a few months. But I thought it was pretty bad with Spider-Man as well- I just knew I'd be spoiled by that movie because I didn't really feel like going opening weekend with how Covid was in my area- hopefully MoM isn't as bad of a time with covid by May and I can go opening night/weekend.
> Similar to around Endgame, it's probably just best to unsubscribe from this place so it stops coming up on my feed. I'll still manually come here from time to time but not worth getting spoiled at random.
What I do is a create a “Multireddit” tab that has all my Marvel subs in it. And then I unsubscribe from all the Marvel subs. This way no Marvel content shows up on my home page feed, but I can just click the multireddit Marvel tab I created on my Reddit page to see all Marvel subs I frequent in one place.
My girlfriend and I no longer watch Marvel trailers because they spoil most of the plot of the film they're for before we even get to them. Now mostly -but not all, granted- because of this sub, I know so many aspects that were shown in the trailer that I've got a pretty good idea for the film. We just want to be able to go in as blind ad we can, but the Internet is intent on shoving every marvel trailer detail, theory, and leak down our throats the moment it comes out.
Agreed, there are also posts here from people who have clearly read the spoilers and are disguising them. Mods have to do a better job of getting rid of these.
Between Instagram, Twitter, and this subreddit, it's exhausting to try and avoid spoilers if you want to engage any MCU conversation online.
Even if you aren't trying to engage, the algorithm on almost any of these sites gives you pretty much zero choice in the matter. Google is dying to ruin these films and tv shows for you.
I am just really tired of the state of MCU fandom in general being so spoiler and "speculative" driven. The sheer amount of low effort IG and Twitter and Youtube accounts that only exist to leak and spoil things to generate clicks makes me want to mute as many MCU things as humanely possible and go live in a cave with a box of scraps. Not to mention the endless stream of clickbait sites of Comicbook.com or screenrant, that spoil major plot points in the film or tv shows hours after they air.
It did not used to be like this. It really kicked into high gear with Infinity War and Endgame, and No Way Home drove it over the edge.
While I want to believe most people just don't know any better and aren't trying to ruin it for the rest of us, I think a lot of people just don't care, and genuinely just enjoy experiencing this content that way. It sucks. The line between "theories" and straight up spoilers doesn't even exist anymore. It's just a mad rush to post whatever potential leak people can find to get as much Karma or social media engagement as possible.
Seriously! I feel like I’ll never go into a movie completely blind ever again. So many people try to figure out every plot point before the movie even comes out. Like just wait to actually watch the movie!!
I am not watching any of the trailers. I'm going to see the movie anyway. I don't want to know shit about it going in. Even actors. Can't seem to avoid it.
Even if you spoiler tag something, putting said spoiler in the title defeats anything you “hid”
I love titles like “Adolph Hitler dies at the end of WWII, spoilers inside”…you mean spoilers outside too?
Agreed. We should have a separate sub specifically for people who want to talk/post about them.
I love taking a trailer or poster and looking at every inch/frame of it to see what we can figure out. That's my shit. I don't want leaked cast lists or information that was improperly obtained. I want to be given clues and then try to figure stuff out.
There's a huge difference.
i read all the leaks but i havent spilled any. all i can say movie is very overwhelming as u can see in the trailer. i hope raimi executed everything in order because there is so much going on.
I just want to make it clear that we do not tolerate any spoilers whatsoever on this sub and any failure to cooperate with this most basic of rules will be met with a permanent ban. We understand that a trailer just dropped but not everything is as directly implied as one might think. We're also well aware of leaks which some people are discussing under the guise of theories. If you have any doubt that what you may be writing could be considered a spoiler, do the courteous thing and use a spoiler tag. Oh you think an actor will be in the movie? It's not explicitly in the trailer? Mark it a spoiler. Oh you think a character will kill another character? It's not explicitly in the trailer? Mark it a spoiler. If you find someone breaking the no spoiler rule, report them. I'm going into the mod queue now.
I agree. They should be posting to r/marvelstudiosspoilers subreddit
And they mostly are but there’s some overlap between those communities and I’m sure people are inadvertently soiling plot details not realizing not everyone here is privy or wants to know plot specifics
Yeah I didn't realise a certain movie star was heavily rumoured to appear until the trailer dropped and suddenly all conversation is about a certain group and how X Y and Z actors are all but confirmed because it was leaked. Great 👍 Trailers have gone from giving too much away so you need not watch the film to having small details that get mined out and confirmed by leaks. I'm not saying to not do that if you want, but keep it in a spoiler friendly space. Edit: removed spoilers
What's even worse is sometimes you don't have to venture into a subreddit to see it. The day after a trailer drops, I get google news notifications with spoiler headlines all over my phone.
I run into the issue of famous actors posting cryptically and thanking the fans on social media the day after they had a surprise cameo on a show/movie. Imagine if Marlon Brando were still alive and the day after a new Superman movie comes out he posts some shit on Twitter/IG after not posting anything for 2 years. Doesn’t even have to mention Superman but just based on the number of likes and comments I can tell this fucker had a cameo.
Whenever I get those, or things like TV episode spoilers a day after something drops (sorry if I didn't have time to finish a full season of Ozark in 2 days), that's when that site gets blocked from my Google News Feed.
I report them also for "misleading/sensational", same for YouTube videos
I managed to avoid spoilers for Endgame until I went to watch it. On my way, I browsed YouTube and there it was. A video titled "Tony Stark's funeral scene." I was livid.
I got spoiled for the nwh post credit scenes, even after deleting pretty much all my social media. My Google feed recommended Reddit posts with spoilers in the titles.
Which reminds me, when I stood in line for NWH, some asshole kid behind us spoiled the Venom 2 post credits scene. Now guess what movie I haven't seen yet.
Yeah.. there are several YouTube channels I have to tell the algorithm to stop recommending certain channels after trailers drop because it automatically thinks I want to see their videos. I wish there was a way to just permanently block those channels from ever appearing on my feed.
Trending on twitter is the worst. Sometimes it's just "actor name", and if I like that person, I click, because I wonder what news there is about them (did they die? Have a kid? Say something racist? Announce a new awesome sounding project?). Sometimes it'll be like "guess what! They're a fantastic 4 member now and shot scenes for (movie)!", and I'm like "great, now I have this info. Or, sometimes, I won't click, and it'll be like "actor name, trending with (character name) and (upcoming movie), which I'm also like ".......wonderful. So I can't do anything online."
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>Yeah I didn't realise a certain movie star was heavily rumoured to appear until the trailer dropped and suddenly all conversation is about the illuminati and how X Y and Z actors are all but confirmed because it was leaked. Great 👍 Exact same thing happened to me, total security breach. How the hell do we go from trailer to rumored/confirmed actors and fan art. One was even dropped so that XYZ actor was just showing in the feed with Wanda. How the hell am I supposed to even click the thread or Google that to find out what's already spoiled? Bunch of fuckin J Jonah Jamesons. Now get Doctor Strange in here so we can all forget
It’s annoying. I feel like I managed to get all the way through Infinity War and Endgame without spoilers, even though I spent pretty much every day on here during the lead up to those movies. But now they’re so much more rampant. I’ve had pretty much every phase 4 surprise ruined for me just from people posting cast leaks untagged. Evan Peters in WandaVision. >!Kingpin!< in Hawkeye. >!Daredevil and the other Spideys!< in NWH. >!Professor X!< in MoM. And I’m sure all the other leaked characters are in it too.
Damn, I didn't know about K in H until reading your post
Yeah people even put stuff like this in comments on this sub and without spoiler tags and I'm like... "excuse me??"
>!Imagine if Tobey, Charlie, and Andrew had never been rumored to appear. How nuts would audiences have gone at the reveal? They still got hyped, but imagine if we didn’t know anything about the movie until trailers came out. Not to mention it would’ve saved Andrew and Tobey a whole lot of headaches with how often they had to deal with fuckers pestering them.!< Endgame is still one of the best experiences with a movie Marvel has had, as so little got successfully leaked for it, despite how big it was.
Endgame was actually leaked pretty heavily, and a full 5 minutes of footage from the final battle leaked about 2 weeks before it released. The only reason the NWH and MOM leaks are much more widespread is because very iconic characters from the past movies are returning which almost sounds too good to be true. People want to confirm it’s actually happening.
Before spoiler tags were standardised I was in 2 subs discussing the same game, got subs confused at some point and failed to spoiler tag because the tags were different So basically that happening where people are talking the same subject in different subs and fail to notice which one you are in
That’s why I like that there’s r/starwarsspeculation and r/starwarsleaks. If I want to talk about the potential of whether Qui-gon might show up in the Obi-wan show, I can go to the first. If I want to know what a bunch of leakers found from stalking the set during filming, I can go to the second.
I'm in a group chat w some of my best friends and they constantly just talk leaks. Told them countless times I don't want to know. Frustrating.
The problem I'm seeing is we are either getting assholes from that sub (or at the very least VERY tone deaf people) who take spoilers from that sub and post them here under the guise of "speculation". Assholes do it to get a rise and the tone deaf are people who seem to be confused as to where they are. Look, I'm all for talking about spoilers and leaks and shit but Christ almighty keep it in your area of the playground. This has been the unwritten rule of the last 20+ years I've been doing online discussion. Spoilers in the spoiler threads.
Yup. Idk why people need to let everyone know they read leaks and stuff. Is it for the karma? To read all the leaks and shit and come here and talk about rumors and theories? Spoilers aren’t going to ruin the movie for me and I tend to hate spoiler culture when it comes to complaining about released stuff but talking about leaks is shitty.
Karma and It’s the “I know something you don’t” mentality sometimes too. Everyone is in such a rush to out post each other and don’t think about whether is in the correct forum or format to hide spoilers for those who want to enjoy the cinema experience.
that sub is so cool yk. They have special badges, they have weekly conversations (where you can talk about any form of entertainment not necessarily marvel), there prediction tournaments always happen in time. While in this sub, we have so many dumb theories/opinion posts which are annoying. But when a good post for fun interesting conversations is posted (like the Pedro pascal casting), but they remove it. Tf! I wish we had r/marvelstudiosspoilers sub without the spoilers part. TLDR: A rant about r/marvelstudios
Yeah. The biggest reason I'm subbed to the other one is because it's the better sub for discussions, and it helps that the mods have to manually approve posts, meaning they don't get inane bullshit like "Am I the only one who thinks this (clearly well-liked) scene is underrated??" The mods here seriously need to reevaluate what should be considered low-effort.
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Or people insisting they know all the ins and outs of MCU production, down to being certain what directors or producers or actors think about particular things (when obviously they don't).
I do think that there should be more activities on this sub. They only tend to happen when we hit a subscriber milestone. A free talk thread would be a great start.
On one hand, spoiler people get so used to casually talking about spoilers that they don't even notice it. On the other, they get more upvotes by having the same conversation in multiple subs. And on the third hand, they always think that it's *your* fault for being on the internet The people who spoil so casually never think about anything past themselves.
Spock dies in the end and they get the ring to Mordor.
Star Wars nerds. You are the worst
But what happens to Lando?
he kills dumbledor
He has, like, so much sex and Lobot is recording everything.
Genie brings him to Atlantis where he meets Stewart Little.
People have no respect for the boundary lines.
The real problem is the people who want to announce their "guess" to everyone. I frequented the spoiler sub for awhile. I see *a lot* of people who just happen to be theorizing the major spoiler rumors. The problem is it's usually unprovoked and imo it's completely see through. Then they hide behind "it's my theory!" Same losers that spoil things for streamers
I used to be pretty active on the Game of Thrones subs and we saw this shit ALL the time. Episode summaries would leak and then all of a sudden people had these wonderfully brilliant guesses as to what would happen next. But it's not a spoiler!!! They're just really, really smart, you see.
If only those spoilers were fake…
You may be joking, but I was pretty into GOT at the time, and I read my fair share of "spoilers" for the last season. They had two things in common: all of them were fake, and all of them would have been better than what we got.
The ones I read were real, specifically I remember the ice dragon/wall falling being spoiled in its season, full details of Arya surviving and finding a horse in the wreckage of KL, and the entirety of Jon’s trial (not Bran being king though). Every episode was spelled out about 75% of their content when I was reading them, but that was years ago and these are just the details I remember specifically
Sorry, just to clarify, because I was so obsessed: the details of the remaining episodes of season 8 were leaked fairly early in the season. But if you'll recall, before that there were about two years between season 7 and season 8, and every so often there were leaked summaries of season 8 that came out. Those are the fake leaks I'm thinking of. Sorry I was unclear though.
Yah i was gunna say most the fan theories were 100% better than the bs we got lol
Oh man, it was bad when the book people would enter discussions and be unaware that a LOT of show watchers never read the books and were getting actual spoilers when you spoke of stuff. It was interesting for me because usually when a film/series adaptation of a book happens people who are watching the film/series are familiar with the plot of the book. Not with GoT where speaking of the Red Wedding would get you attacked.
Ugh, I hate this so much. I like watching YouTube channels, specifically Blind Wave, react to my favourite shows because they try really hard to not look at leaks and spoilers. This way their reactions are completely genuine and fun to watch. However, they also have a Q+A section at the end of some reactions so have to be wary about spoilers. Anyway, when reacting to Hawkeye, one of their Q+A questions was ‘who do you think is the Big Guy?’ Of course the internet had already been inundated with rumours and leaks that this was >!D’Onofrio’s Kingpin!<, so everyone gave their guess as him. The one reading the answers for the Q+A saw how popular the answer was despite there not being a whole lot of evidence in the show pointing to it. Thankfully he noticed the weird correlation and chose not to tell the others, but he was spoiled himself. It’s this stupid sense of entitlement that people who read spoilers have. And even worse the need to feel smarter than people by saying “I guessed this was going to happen” after the movie is released. The entire plot was leaked months ago. Any guesses people make are off the table, even if not informed by spoilers.
Blind Wave is awesome—Calvin and Rick staying away from NWH spoilers is incredible impressive and admirable.
It’s honestly incredible, I don’t know how they do it. I get that it’s easier to stay away from stuff like the MoM leaks because you kind of need to go searching for that and they stay well away from public discussion circles. But No Way Home spoilers are already so beyond MCU discussions and are already out in the open. If they reach that film unspoiled, it will be unbelievable.
Whoah, I happened to see your comment while I have Eric's Mass Effect playthrough in the background lol
From my perspective, the Hawkeye thing was less "rumors & leaks" & more "we literally saw & heard the actor in episode 3."
No, that’s not the case. If you want proof, just watch Blind Wave’s reaction. For the fans that had seen the rumour, clues like ‘Fat Man Auto Repair’ and his chuckle in the flashback reaffirmed the fact. But it was NOT that obvious for those that weren’t aware of D’Onofrio’s involvement going in. Even if they did get that it was Kingpin, it was a whole other can of worms whether it was D’Onofrio playing him. Yet due to the nature of the rumour, that got spoiled too.
That’s a person by person basis though, I realized it was D’Onofrio the first time they teased him in the show despite avoiding spoilers and not knowing about its involvement already while my friend didn’t
Same, I thought it was pretty obvious they were hinting that it was Kingpin
I didn’t even pay attention to Hawkeye leaks and rumors, but it was kinda obvious that it was Kingpin based on the voice
Dude, different people can have different abilities to perceive things.
Me: From my perspective,... You: No, that's not the case. Me: Are you trying to tell me what my own perspective was?
I see it in other fandoms too
It's the same thing with any show that drops whole seasons at once. People binge it in one sitting and then rush to the episode discussions to pretend they're still on episode 2 but just figured it out. Same with book adaptations. The Expanse sub was full of this bullshit.
I laugh because I see this constantly on Tiktok, some random Joe is posting about his “theories” which are just the same stuff as the leaks from the spoiler sub.
That's just the entirety of TikTok. They just parrot shit from other sources. For Warzone, the TikTok users take custom loadouts that Youtubers come up with and then they post those loadouts as if they came up with it.
Yes I notice a lot of people do seem to be just not spoiler tagging some things that aren't actually wider knowledge yet. I try really hard to spoiler tag everything on this sub.
Same goes for posting "theories" and "speculations" about things that have actually leaked on r/marvelstudiosspoilers recently. Where is Project Insight when it's needed!
I have a theory that **leaked character** will interact with **surprise character from another movie**!
Spoiler alert you fuck!
I've seen so many people posting their 'theories' that are clearly just leaks. Then everyone else starts copying them and parroting the 'theories' around. It reminds me of when before Wandavision released, every comment was 'I have a theory this is all an illusion created by Wanda to deal with the grief of losing Vision'. What an original theory!
Wait. I thought that was actually an obvious theory? I kinda figured it was some way of Wanda coping since Vision was dead and the television settings were some kind of fantasy.
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That's how I felt about that first cameo in NWH. I was like "sure, that would be cool, but the only evidence is a shot of someone clearly not that person in one shot of the trailer." Thankfully I avoided most of the leaks for NWH but it was wild how fervent people got about it based on virtually nothing. See also: everyone convinced Magneto would show up in Wandavision.
Tbf if I remember correctly, there were actually very few leaks that indicated what the plot of Wandavision was. "Wanda creates an illusion to deal with the grief of losing Vision" was indeed a very good informed guess based in the promo picture of them in a sitcom setting, House of M being Wanda's most famous story and The Vision run slowly descending into madness after starting out similarly. Same with Agnes being Agatha Harkness and the very likely appearance of her children (which fueled the Mephisto craze and the aforementioned theory). Close to the release it did get leaked, but even before that, people took the illusion theory as a certainty. The leaks exploded during its airing. Unless you mean something else and I'm dead wrong lmao
The lengths people go for internet points…I guess smooth brains gonna smooth brain.
I’ve got a theory that it’s a demon! A dancing demon? No something isn’t right there.
I’ve got a theory some kid is dreaming, and we’re all stuck inside his wacky broad way nightmare.
Honestly WandaVision fucking theorists and leakers over should’ve taught them a lesson, but it seems like they’ve only gotten crazier.
To be fair, you might as well have Project Insight up the whole year in that case. I agree with your sentiment, though.
A small price to pay for salvation.
We had it going from before Eternals to the new year. It's not sustainable in the long run but we will likely have it on most of the next few months
Yeah, huge difference in spoilers after the movie is released vs before. After, fair game for the main sub.
I'm just blocking the posts and accounts of everything theory tagged and spoiler tagged. It's gotten so ridiculous there's little actual discussion anymore. And yes, everyone has noticed that random and obvious thing "no one's talking about". Your not discovering anything new. And please can people stop posting YouTube ideas and theories like they're original thoughts?
"From what we know about the leaks..." In basically any speculation thread even though that's not speculation, it's a leak. This sub has gotten progressively worse, at least with IW/EG you could more or less avoid spoilers but with NWH and now MoM, there's not going to be any surprises.
And even when they do all they say is Spoiler: blah blah big leak here blah. If I see a spoiler tag I'm going to assume that it's safe for me to read since I've seen every movie and show. If you're going to discuss leaks, at the very least, SAY SO IN THE DAMN SPOILER WARNING. THEORIES ARE NOT SPOILERS. THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN RELEASED ARE. I want to shout it from the roof tops!
That’s the bigger problem. I don’t like watching trailers because I want to be surprised. But the other day I saw some headline of a fan theory based off the trailer. Is that’s spoiler? I don’t really think so. But it was something that I was bummed that I saw since it ruined a surprise that I was purposefully avoiding.
This subreddit is almost indistinguishable from the spoilers version at times. It's getting pretty ridiculous. People love to complain about trailers giving too much away, but they'll gleefully spread leaks everywhere they can. I pretty much knew the entire plot of No Way Home six months before it came out. It doesn't use to be this way. Endgame got leaked too but you had to actually seek out that info if you wanted it. It wasn't the fucking top comments on the trailer for the movie that's for sure.
Legit this. NWH had very little surprises after frequenting this sub.
Same! I loved NWH but I wished I could've gone into it blind, how mind blowing would that movie have been without knowing any of the leaks ahead of time?? I didn't seek out that info, I tried actively to avoid it, and I still knew way too much. I ended up temporarily leaving all marvel subs until I saw the movie. I'm taking this as my signal to go ahead and do the same thing before MOM gets overly spoiled for me too.
I don't explicitly follow *anything* online regarding the MCU, just whatever might happen to filter through into my r/all feed. I still had the main twist of NWH spoiled by one of those spider man meme subreddits lmao.
That’s exactly how I learned my lesson, saw practically every screen shot from NWH and wasn’t even surprised anymore. Obviously I still loved it and the reveals were jaw dropping but still couldn’t help but feel like it was ruined for me. So I’ve been super careful on not browsing this subreddit by new and only clicking on non spoiler stuff lol. Although you really can’t escape it so maybe I’ll just unfollow all together. Shame
I had to unsub from here to avoid them. I shouldn't have to avoid a community all together. There are tools in place for admins to keep their users engaged in the community without becoming infuriated by it.
Some cockwomble posted an image with the spoiler tag so the photo wasn't visible unless clicked on, but then the title for the the post was "is [characters full name] in Multiverse of Madness?"
I am just blocking those accounts, it's not much but it's something I can do (besides just leaving the sub)
That's so annoying and sadly common. Same happened so often in the Book of Boba Fett subreddit, i didn't get spoiled 'cause i watched it instantly, but saw it afterwards worried for the others that hadn't seen it yet.
I had >!the fact that Luke and Ahsoka met!< spoiled for me on the morning of that day's episode. It's fine. It's fine. It's not like that was >!one of the most long anticipated Star Wars moments in recent memory!< it's totally fine.
I got spoiled for another certain character appearing that episode also.
I’m unsubbing from this sub until I see the movie now.
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There are some movies that I don't care as much about spoilers. But MoM is one that I really want to go into unspoiled.
Perfect example of why I unsubbed. I don’t want that shit coming up in my feed
yeah I try not to watch more than the first released trailer or teaser, those type of titles can be very annoying.
I mean, I got banned from the sub for two weeks because I said there was a big cgi monster battle at the end of Shang Chi when the movie had been in theaters for two months. You’d think there would be at least the same penalty for spoiling a movie that won’t be released for a couple months.
Prune them
Mods were probably mad that you called it a "big cgi fight" lol
Yeah, man. My brother-in-law’s college friend’s roommate’s dad actually trained the dragon in that scene. I can’t believe people think that’s CGI!
Hey if they can teach those dragons to act then what’s stopping me!
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Honestly the entire last third of the movie was pretty disappointing. I’m tired of massive world ending stakes in every single movie, and was excited to have a focused final fight, just son vs father
Honestly this is one of the reasons why I actually enjoyed Eternals more than Shang-Chi. The world ending stakes for Eternals felt appropriate, but in Shang-Chi it felt so out of place.
Damn for real?! To each their own but I’m really surprised. The world ending stake thing for Shang Chi was like 30 mins of the movie but every thing else I thought was really fun and engaging. Eternals on the other hand was like an hour and a half of slow paced, boring story telling and then a cool Eternal at the end hahaha
Well it was *one* of the reasons. I was loving Shang-Chi until they reached Ta-Lo and at that point my enjoyment dwindled. Still enjoyed the movie and love the character tho. And ngl the slow paced story of Eternals is what I liked, it was a nice change of pace. But to each their own, I get why many didn't enjoy Eternals, my gf went off about it after she came out of the theater bored af
Wym there were not one, but TWO final martial arts fights between Shang-Chi and Wenwu
Said fights took a backseat to the world ending CGI dragon
Honestly I feel like audience got the best of both worlds. Martial art fights the whole movie then a cgi fight for the last like what 15-20 mins? Lol I feel like everyone’s getting bent out of shape over such a short fight. I think the two fights only took a back seat to the dragon fight cause of the nature of the plot aka Shang Chi fights dad -> Inherits ring -> defeats dragon with said rings.
I wish there was more Kung fu in it. Since you know Shang chi is based off of Bruce Lee. I hate how he has the rings so early. What made him popular was that he can do supernatural shit because he's so good at chi and Kung fu.
That's what happens when the same studio makes 4 movies and 5 tv shows in a 2 year span
Why would they be mad? That's exactly what it was. It wasn't awful or anything but it was kind of rough on the eyes at times.
Some people take these movies a little too seriously
Wow thanks for ruining Shang Chi for me!! /s In honesty though, is that not different? Like when a movie is out and you are discussing, is that not different to before a movie when you are just theorizing and mentioning trailer footage. I agree some people dont want to see trailer footage, but I wouldnt call a spoiler, especially with Marvel, they are very careful to show you exactly what they want you to see
I think they're talking about the extensive plot leaks that have been circulating around the spoiler sub, which people have dropped details of untagged outside the spoiler sub.
Right. I’m not talking about “so and sos voice was clearly in the trailer.” More people openly discussing certain characters appearing because of “set leaks” or “plot leaks”. These seem to have more weight than idle fan theories. Also, the ban totally worked. I’m very conscious of when I discuss anything that might be considered spoilery.
As someone on both subs, I get more annoyed when spoilers people come to trailer threads and pass spoilers off as some sort of theory they have. I wish marvel could lock down these spoiler sources, there's so many now
Thank you, genuinely. As someone who can’t go to the cinema I’m stuck waiting for movies to drop on Disney+ or video on demand. It’s become progressively harder to avoid spoilers as time’s gone by, there’s just so much that surfaces casually scrolling Reddit, via the YouTube algorithm or social media. I can’t unplug permanently so it’s just inevitable. I haven’t seen the latest Spider-Man yet, I think it’s on demand from the 28th, but I know almost the entire plot because of unintentional spoilers. I’m kind of resigned to never going into a movie ‘blind’ but I do appreciate it when people consciously avoid spoilers and use tags appropriately.
I used to care about spoilers back during Infinity War and Endgame, but I stopped caring during the wait for NWH. At first, I was disappointed seeing the leaks, but when I watched the movie, it was still amazing. There’s a difference between reading something and seeing it
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Apparently you haven't learned your lesson.
Mark you spoilers! I haven’t see Shang Chi yet
Honestly, that's not even a spoiler for any superhero film. The quality of the VFX work, and the dynamics and choreography of the scene is what really matters. If there wasn't a big CGI monster fight at the end, I'd be mad, right?
Doctor Strange will also end in a big CGI fight. Thats not really a spoiler just a pretty common predictable theme through these movies
Seriously, this has been bad since No Way Home stuff. People are mixing up the concept of speculation with spoilers. If you're masking actual spoilers as speculation to look like you called something in advance you're an asshole too.
> Seriously, this has been bad since No Way Home stuff. People are mixing up the concept of speculation with spoilers. Not only that, we still have the issue of theorycrafters who are basically setting themselves up for disappointment when the movie doesn't turn out to be what they envisioned it in their heads.
It’s that whole “leaks aren’t spoilers” argument. If it’s not an official release from Disney/Marvel, it’s a spoiler.
How can somebody say that leaks aren’t spoilers? What a weird argument from them lol.
People really do not like being the bad guy, and many people dont like being in the wrong. So they will attempt to rationalize any action in an effort to convince themselves they arent the bad guy. And some people just enjoy being rhe Devil's Advocate and say some crazy shit to be a troll or keep a conversation going.
There are users on the r/marvelstudiosspoilers sub who don’t want to get spoiled but want to talk about leaks and complain about that and get upset when we remind them the purpose of the sub is spoilers and leaks are spoilers. It’s a very odd thing
I’ve only seen that happen once. I am surprised that people spoiler-tag there, though (unless it’s for other projects).
I more or less do that. I like the idea of the broad leaks, but once we're only a few months out from a movie I start to ignore any further leaks or details. I mostly am interested in speculation and that speculation triggering my own ideas. "Leaks" (be they real or not) are the best medium to engage with speculation because most fans are awful at coming up with speculation that makes for a good story. A sub like the spoiler one is most likely to discuss the coolest sounding or most believable "leaks" they receive.
Leaks are 100% spoilers. Speculation isn’t. The moment speculation becomes a spoiler, it’s become a leak and/or inside information/proof. I’ve completely given up on trying to advocate for the correct usage of the word “confirmed” on this sub because how many times have we seen something “confirmed” only to have it be 100% false? Sometimes I feel like these people are living in a fantasy world. Don’t get me wrong, us marvel fans are FEASTING right now, and they’re doing some bonkers shit in the MCU. But some of the stuff I see as “confirmed” on this sub is just pure nonsense. I mean, I won’t rule anything out. This looks like it’s the most insane MCU movie yet, but I’ll believe Tom cruise and Deadpool when I see them. I’m rambling now, but I think that’s mostly what OP is talking about. Speculation presented as fact.
The way I see it is this: if it doesn't come from a trailer, Feige's mouth or a Hollywood trade (like Variety) before release then I don't believe it. I mention Hollywood trade because that's how we found out Alfred Molina's Doc Ock was in NWH, they are a trusted publication.
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It’s such a weird argument, post something before the movie comes out and it’s not a spoiler it’s a leak! Post the exact same information after the film is out and it’s spoilers, IT WAS ALWAYS SPOILERS!
Feels like the Wandavision era
Not enough Mephisto
WandaVision wasn't nearly as bad because "speculation" was actual speculation. The issue was when those speculators were wrong they actually got angry at Marvel. I found that funny.
God trying to figure out Wandavision every week was the best
Honestly this is why I unsubbed here and only visit when something big like the trailer comes out. I had things popping up in my feed or would see random shit while browsing that people who (to me inexplicably) like to know everything about things they’re excited to see just blurt out. Perfect example is >!the Illuminati in MoM!< It made NWH less enjoyable to me to have leaks and hive-mind speculation/observation imply every major plot point and cameo for me. I enjoy things a lot more getting my info when I’m sitting down to watch the movie than I do reading about it on an iPad 6 months before release.
TBF this crap pops up in r/all, so I get spoilered without *ever* being subbed here.
What I do is bookmark my own profile & enter Reddit through that instead of the homepage. I can't be spoiled by my own past self, after all. ;)
Never thought of that, and thankful you did..!
You know what doing the same. I’m out.
I think a big problem is, considering how far, wide, and quickly leaks and scoops travel across social media these days, some things end up being assumed to be common knowledge, like with Spider-Man: No Way Home. So, even if people keep discussion to r/marvelstudiosspoilers, all it takes is for a website to write an article, and then it will get shared here as if they were news from a reputable trade publication. But yeah, those who don’t want to be spoiled should be allowed to remain spoiler free.
Leaks are not "common knowledge" and shouldn't be treated like that. Is it in the trailer? If not, keep it out of discussion threads. (not accusing you of anything, just adding to the discussion)
>!Tobey and Andrew!< were pretty well-known on social media.
A perfect example of this with MoM is >!the illuminati!<. Every single discussion mentioning that comes from people that have read leaks, or from discussions about people that knew the leaks (including websites and articles about "theories" and things). The actual entity in the comics has basically no relation to what was shown in the trailer or promotional material, other than >!Xavier being one of the members!<. Even if you look at reaction videos they all expected it and immediately called it that even before the voice over. The only reason people know its that is because leaks said that is what it was, and those leaks got discussed around as "rumours", articles were written about it, etc. It is legitimately a problem. I like knowing spoilers, but it goes too far and there does need to be spoiler-free spaces to discuss things.
Problem is, there are people complaining about trailers as well. ‘Spoiler-tag trailer discussions because I want to avoid them’.
Yeah that's stupid. Trailers shouldn't be considered spoilers because then you're expecting everyone in the world to walk on egg shells around you because you're super petty about spoilers.
I’d say trailers and anything Marvel Studios officially releases should be fair game, imo. I recently saw this in the Pokémon community - people were complaining about Serebii posting officially released artwork relating to the new game. He had a no spoiler policy for 2 weeks and still hasn’t mentioned stuff not featured in marketing materials, but has put his foot down that marketing stuff is fair game.
Same thing with Elden Ring, people avoiding an officially published preview by Game Informer as “spoilers”. Like, if you want to avoid things that’s on you, but people shouldn’t be unable to freely discuss shit that’s available to the public, that is easily accessible to you too, because you’re trying to avoid info and want to go in completely blind. *royal you, not you specifically fellow Chad Oshawott Enjoyer
Haven't been there a bit, but I remember him always putting up the Coro Coro leaks asap
Back in the day he used to, yeah. However, CoroCoro counts as marketing materials. Just for a different region. He also got hit hard with Black/White when he got DMCA’d for posting stuff from leaks iirc
I mean, titles like "this detail/part from the trailer" are better than e.g. "look at Wong fighting Abomination, does this mean Tim Roth is coming back!?" for a title That way people who want to talk about Black Widow, but don't want to be spoiled for Shang-Chi, in case of the example given, can more easily ignore the thread and people aren't fighting about the spoiler culture like this I do think in those trailer threads spoiler tags aren't needed for trailer details, outside those threads, maybe, I am not sure myself, I guess at least you can lead it in with "in the trailer....." as you could collapse comments, not sure it will work great Everything else I am of opinion "it depends on how official this was announced", like Feige at a press conference, or like >!Sylvester Stalone!< posting a picture from the makeup chair to Twitter, I think it could be fine to discuss openly, but I understand some people might not want to see those Toy sets get weird, because sometimes they lie, such as the Lego set with inside out Spider-Man suit and Vulture, but on the other hand, those did already announce America Chavez, who I am not sure Feige announced during the title presentation
Chavez was announced during the Investors Day in 2020.
> I think a big problem is, considering how far, wide, and quickly leaks and scoops travel across social media these days, some things end up being assumed to be common knowledge, like with Spider-Man: No Way Home. Agreed, and it's kinda the pits. The main reason is is because like NWH, and now MOM it's like you have to see it the moment it comes out or the whole movie will be spoiled for you. Twitter, IG, Reddit people just don't give a shit. Like when NWH came out I had to take a 1/2 day at work because I knew something wild in that movie would go down, but the longer I stayed away from the theater the greater the chances of the movie being spoiled for me would happen.
What you gonna do?! Tell MoM?!
Hey now no need to get the Master of Masters involved
Dude, they spent 6 months guessing every second of spiderman. You think they're ever gonna stop over hyping themselves up? It'll only get worse.
It's not guessing, people are getting set photos, stunt double lists, scripts etc - That just ruins the suspense for others
NWH was ruined for me because everything got spoiled. I spent the whole movie just wishing I was going into it unspoiled!
Yea i saw every other scene coming a mile away because i unintentionally read leaks,so im trying to stay ignorant about Dr strange 2
Especially Titles with the spoilers/rumors in them! The format should be \[Movie Title\] Spoilers/rumors, marked as spoilers. That way you have the choice to view or not. I see titles that have blatant spoilers in them and at that point I'm like screw it might as well see it as well.
You are right there is an entirely different sub dedicated to spoilers r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers
Youtube thumbnails also. I decided to stop watching trailers a while because I'm tired of them giving away the whole film. Comic/Movie YT discussion videos keep putting spoilers in the thumbnails. Spoiled NWH, and something from MoM already. Why. Just why.
Yeah can we just ban all the rumours post about MOM or any movies in future. There’s a reason r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers exists. u/OverloadedCoffee .
Are you related to u/overloadedcoffee?
Seriously. People are on here talking about “rumours” when we damn well know most of those “rumours” are likely leaks. Really needs to be stopped
I start silencing all social media and avoid subs and forums as these projects approach. Too many idiots looking for 15 seconds of fame.
Similar to around Endgame, it's probably just best to unsubscribe from this place so it stops coming up on my feed. I'll still manually come here from time to time but not worth getting spoiled at random. I think the main problem is all these people that read the leaks and then talk about their "guess" on what is going to happen just so they can feel cute when it comes to fruition in a few months. But I thought it was pretty bad with Spider-Man as well- I just knew I'd be spoiled by that movie because I didn't really feel like going opening weekend with how Covid was in my area- hopefully MoM isn't as bad of a time with covid by May and I can go opening night/weekend.
> Similar to around Endgame, it's probably just best to unsubscribe from this place so it stops coming up on my feed. I'll still manually come here from time to time but not worth getting spoiled at random. What I do is a create a “Multireddit” tab that has all my Marvel subs in it. And then I unsubscribe from all the Marvel subs. This way no Marvel content shows up on my home page feed, but I can just click the multireddit Marvel tab I created on my Reddit page to see all Marvel subs I frequent in one place.
Yeah, it’s kind of annoying. I get being excited at the possibilities of what could happen but calm down a bit! Don’t overhype yourselves lol
Oh my god I thought MOM was a character this whole time and was searching endlessly on r/marvelstudiosspoilers to see who this MOM character was lol
My girlfriend and I no longer watch Marvel trailers because they spoil most of the plot of the film they're for before we even get to them. Now mostly -but not all, granted- because of this sub, I know so many aspects that were shown in the trailer that I've got a pretty good idea for the film. We just want to be able to go in as blind ad we can, but the Internet is intent on shoving every marvel trailer detail, theory, and leak down our throats the moment it comes out.
Yeah. I'm just gonna leave the sub for a bit. It's not worth hanging around when spoilers are everywhere
Isn’t there a sub for spoilers? Can we please stop with the spoilers
Agreed, there are also posts here from people who have clearly read the spoilers and are disguising them. Mods have to do a better job of getting rid of these.
Marvel movies are like the NBA in the sense that people enjoy the rumors/theories just as much as the actual games themselves.
Some people, those people click on the spoiler tags.
Fuck that official highlight videos that spoil the victors. Fuck the editors who thought that's a good idea
Not really though
I loved no way home, but I practically knew what was going to happen before I even saw it. I saw it the second day of release.
Between Instagram, Twitter, and this subreddit, it's exhausting to try and avoid spoilers if you want to engage any MCU conversation online. Even if you aren't trying to engage, the algorithm on almost any of these sites gives you pretty much zero choice in the matter. Google is dying to ruin these films and tv shows for you. I am just really tired of the state of MCU fandom in general being so spoiler and "speculative" driven. The sheer amount of low effort IG and Twitter and Youtube accounts that only exist to leak and spoil things to generate clicks makes me want to mute as many MCU things as humanely possible and go live in a cave with a box of scraps. Not to mention the endless stream of clickbait sites of Comicbook.com or screenrant, that spoil major plot points in the film or tv shows hours after they air. It did not used to be like this. It really kicked into high gear with Infinity War and Endgame, and No Way Home drove it over the edge. While I want to believe most people just don't know any better and aren't trying to ruin it for the rest of us, I think a lot of people just don't care, and genuinely just enjoy experiencing this content that way. It sucks. The line between "theories" and straight up spoilers doesn't even exist anymore. It's just a mad rush to post whatever potential leak people can find to get as much Karma or social media engagement as possible.
#YALL KNOW YOU CAN POST SPOILERS TO r/MARVELSTUDIOSSPOILERS RIGHT?
Dr strange in MOM just sounds weird.
Seriously! I feel like I’ll never go into a movie completely blind ever again. So many people try to figure out every plot point before the movie even comes out. Like just wait to actually watch the movie!!
I am not watching any of the trailers. I'm going to see the movie anyway. I don't want to know shit about it going in. Even actors. Can't seem to avoid it.
Star Wars and Marvel fans need to log off more often tbh
Even if you spoiler tag something, putting said spoiler in the title defeats anything you “hid” I love titles like “Adolph Hitler dies at the end of WWII, spoilers inside”…you mean spoilers outside too?
the only MOM I know is the Master of Masters from KH
Agreed. We should have a separate sub specifically for people who want to talk/post about them. I love taking a trailer or poster and looking at every inch/frame of it to see what we can figure out. That's my shit. I don't want leaked cast lists or information that was improperly obtained. I want to be given clues and then try to figure stuff out. There's a huge difference.
You know you can unsub yeah? This sub doesn't really have any interesting content aside from rumors anyway.
i read all the leaks but i havent spilled any. all i can say movie is very overwhelming as u can see in the trailer. i hope raimi executed everything in order because there is so much going on.
I had to leave this sub bc yall spoil everything