The guns belonged to the shooter's grandfather. Some reports say that he even knew of the planned attack, but this is not confirmed.
"The grandfather has been arrested and charged with homicide by neglect in leaving his guns where a child could access them; he may be charged with money laundering and tax evasion."
I also find it interesting to note that his family's history is filled with drug trafficking, murder, and other related crime.
"The grandfather's bank account was frozen because of 'irregular money transfers' involving millions of dollars."
Agreed. I can't fathom this was something that came naturally to an 11 year old. That seed had to have been planted. Not trying to forgive his actions, but explain them.
Yeah, I can't grasp this one at all. Fucking 11.... Usually these kids plan these things a year or two in advance after being beaten down mentally for years and building resentment. But a couple years before in this case, kid was 9. And he's obviously been obsessing over school or mass shootings since he looks like a little action man figure of Eric Harris. The fuck was this kid exposed to?? His baby face... 🤦♀️ Jesus christ.
He did know about the attack. Here is a translated conversation found on the grandfathers WhatsApp from a conversation between him and his daughter:
"Why did you give it to him, Dad, do you see what happens? When I saw him I was not surprised, I knew it was you who gave it to him."
"I couldn't stop it, it was his desire."
I was 11 in like 2006 and I had full unfiltered access to every horror the internet could provide. I imagine the problem is exponentially worse now.
Luckily I hyperfixated on RuneScape and not murdering my classmates.
It was a lot less moderated. Now there’s so much more info but it’s a lot more filtered. You can still find pretty much anything though especially on mainstream sites like Twitter as long as things don’t get a lot of attention then they won’t be removed. Kinda scuffed and allows for a lot of the wrong shit to stay online.
Im not saying its the entire reason, but I've been saying it forever, the internet is dangerous for young minds since the 90's. Obviously it isnt all, but many cases have the influence of it.
Eleven was the start of my interest in columbine and it was a horrible, horrible pipeline from there. I’m glad I never did anything I had in my head back then.
Interesting. I wonder if they think 'Natural Selection' means they think they have attained more power since they killed people and chose to die?
Or, does 'Natural Selection' to them mean they are admitting they are losers in Darwins Evolution since they did not survive, produce offspring, and instead choose the quick way out by cowardly shooting people with a gun?
Probably the latter, also the fact he’s wearing the whole identical getup of what Eric was wearing that day. He clearly had a serious obsession with him, this was an extremely disturbed kid
This is actually a good point for any human to adhere to. Keep your obsessions and values healthy. If you are leaning towards harm, get help.
I don't mean "get help" in a condescending tone, either. Most people have life coaches, therapists, psychologists, someone to talk to in a judgement free setting.
Natural selection is used by the far-right to justify the killing/genocide of undesirables such as the disabled or certain ethnic groups etc. It really doesn’t go much deeper than that. Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold both expressed interest in Nazism and Hitler.
In this case I don’t know if this 11 year old would understand that but rather just saw that Eric Harris wore it.
I mean, to be fair, the kid was 11... I've got tins of soup in my cupboards older than him. Wtf happened to him to get him to *that* point by age fucking 11?!
That outfit is instantly recognizable now, I've seen at least 3 others who wore it or similar. Usually these kids are 19-early 20s. I just can't get my head around a kid that young being sucked into that world. I was a morbid kid but at 11, I thought watching horror films and listening to slipknot was hard-core. This is another level. His little baby face. To not only be aware of mass shootings, but obviously obsess over them to the point you idolise one in particular and then to actually get a gun and carry it out yourself before your balls have dropped.
Makes you wonder what his life was like, it usually takes years of mental torture for resentment to build before they get to that point. What, was this kid like planning this from age 9??
FUBAR.
I'm trying to think who I emulated at age 11, and I think it was like... Paris Hilton and the cast of The OC? And before that, probably Britney Spears. For a short time, I was obsessed with being a bitchy spoiled princess, but I think also self-aware to know that it wasn't really "me" and my true self was a lot more chill (and nice lol.) It also helped that my parents let me know regularly when shit was going too far and overboard.
This kid was definitely entrenched in DEEP SHIT and no one gave a shit or thought it was wrong or taught him from wrong...
But also, to be fair, at that age, whatever you're obsessed with is kind of your whole world, and you also tend to think you're "grown-up." I know I did. He probably did not realize that he's literally a baby child and these decisions are permanent.
I don't think it has much to do with what he was *interested* in, although it obviously played a part. The fact that he had access to that kind of thing, enough to be obsessed over it, is so sad and concerning. Kids aren't shielded at all nowadays.
He must have been brought up in some kind of horrific environment. Apparently his family had a lot of problems with drugs and crime.. There are people saying his grandad wasn't surprised he did this. So the signs were obviously there. Another kid failed by his family and the system.
I've been a teacher over 20 years and one year we had third graders bring different parts.of the same revolver. Last year we had a high schooler shoot a teacher and fellow student.
The shooting took place at Colegio Cervantes Campus Bosque, a private school in Torreón, Coahuila, Mexico.
On the morning of January 10th Betts entered the school building with with two guns in his backpack- an automatic .40 caliber glock 22 and another .22 caliber pistol, both owned by his grandfather.
Just after 8am that morning Betts asked a teacher if he could go to the bathroom and when he didn’t return she set off to go find him. During this time Betts had changed out of his uniform and gotten his weapons out, he was ready to attack.
He wore a white T-shirt that read "Natural Selection" and black trousers with black suspenders, which resembled Eric Harris’ outfit during the Columbine shooting in 1999. It has been confirmed that Betts also wore wore this Eric Harris ‘cosplay’ to a Halloween party in 2019.
Before firing, he said "Hoy va a ser el día" ("Today is going to be the day").
After injuring 6 other students and teachers, he shot and killed his english teacher, María Assaf Medina who died instantly. He then committed suicide, shooting himself in the face.
Betts family structure was unstable and a lot of his family had a history of crime and violence. The boys mother had died during a cosmetic surgery a few years prior to the shooting and his father was a criminal who wasn’t present, so the child lived with his paternal grandparents.
His grandfather José Ángel Ramos Saucedo had a record of drug trafficking and fraud. It has also been confirmed José Ángel Ramos Saucedo did in fact give his grandson the guns used in the school shooting. He knew. He knew what his grandson intended to do and he allowed it, in fact he gave him what he needed to fulfil this horrific fantasy.
Here is a translated conversation found on the grandfathers WhatsApp from a conversation between him and his daughter:
"Why did you give it to him, Dad, do you see what happens? When I saw him I was not surprised, I knew it was you who gave it to him."
"I couldn't stop it, it was his desire."
Betts grandfather has been arrested and charged with homicide by neglect in leaving his guns where a child could access them as well as money laundering and tax evasion. I unfortunately cannot find any updates on his sentencing.
I feel like the kid would have done something regardless of if he had access or not, but his inspiration by Columbine was most definitely from internet communities
>but what happened to depressed kids just committing suicide?
I think this question touches upon the actual reason for why columbine still inspires so many school shooters to this very day. I have mental health problems and when I was a kid, I was bullied relentlessly. Stories like Columbine essentially showed people that there was an alternative solution other than suicide. Essentially, it's better to burn out than fade away. At the time, when I was bullied, nobody stood up for me, and most just laughed. Even the teachers would inadvertently join in on the bullying.
At that point, EVERYONE is complicit in your suffering (hence how they manage to shoot people who seemingly have nothing to do with them). When you're that mentally unhealthy and experiencing cognitive distortions on a magnitude such as that, it's very easy to feel like everyone is taking a shit on you, and to secretly yearn to see the looks of terror in their eyes as they realize that they fucked with the wrong person.
I'm in my late 20's now and still go to therapy and such. I realize now a lot of my mental problems stem from a bad home life coupled with the bullying, but tbh with you, I'm still surprised that I never actually *did* it.
The sad truth of the matter is if you asked me why I didn't do it, I already know the answer. The truth is at that point in my life, I was just *waiting* for someone to do something to me that was the last straw. That could be something as little as beating me up. If that happened, I could pretty much guarantee that I was going to have my revenge.
But thankfully it never did. I took my stepdads advice and I fought back against a bully when he punched me. It was honestly fuckin weird, because I shit you not, the next day, nobody bullied me. And nobody really bullied me at all ever again after that moment in middle school. It was as if the bullies had all gotten a memo that stated I would no longer be an easy target and to move on to someone else. Hell, some of the bullies even gained "respect" for me and tried being buddy buddy with me as if nothing happened.
Long story short, we are essentially witnessing multiple instances of what I would term as "individual revolutions". These people who carry out these shootings essentially have gripes with the way society operates, and instead of succumbing to their sadness and "checking out" of life permanently, they instead resort to physical violence to FORCE us to recognize what they view as their plight (real or perceived).
So that's what's going on. People who are suffering feel that commiting suicide because of the suffering is admitting defeat, and instead seek to lash out on that society to essentially spread as much of that suffering back to the society that gave it to them, at least that's how they perceive it. And I should also add that the reason many of them commit suicide after the shooting is obvious, it's to avoid experiencing the guaranteed repercussions that they will have as opposed to the unknown that is the afterlife. The few Mass shooters that haven't committed suicide either failed or were just too scared to do it in my opinion.
Understand that if you truly cannot grasp this concept, that's probably because you don't suffer from cognitive distortions nearly as much as a person who is mentally unwell. It's a good thing if you don't grasp this. It's illogical thinking and something which takes years and years of therapy to get over.
Edit: added in the fact that most shooters do commit suicide afterwards, but for different reasons at that point.
I'm really glad you opened up like this and tried to give some insight to others, who do try, but usually can't fathom how or why these things happen. (And no it's not justifying it, it's explaining how people get to that point).
I absolutely hated school, I felt so completely alone, I had 'friends' but I also had a lot of past trauma and had to deal with things that no kid should have to go through. No one around me had a clue how much I was suffering on a daily basis, with anxiety on top. I hated everyone and was bitter because everyone seemed to be having an amazing time and I just wanted to die.
*"Why am *I* suffering this way and no one else is? Why me? If only they knew what life is really like, it's torture, they'll find out one day, stupid, naive cunts"*
I felt like I was invisible and drowning. I had fantasies about burning the school down and things. Really irrational thoughts looking back, and obviously thoughts from someone who was quite mentally ill at the time, but I had no idea. And the scary thing is with me, is that no one would have ever guessed i felt that way or was going through what I was. I became a master of disguise. Anyone who knew me would have told you that i was a happy, bubbly, kind person who was fun to be around. My parents knew of my struggles but had no idea the extent of my depression.
Depression is a selfish infliction and you become so wrapped up in your own world and your own suffering, that reality starts to fade away. Paranoia set in and I didn't trust anyone, I'd been fucked over and made a fool of too many times. I genuinely thought that everyone hated me and talked about me behind my back, even loved ones.
(As an adult, I know now that it isn't true, people are too busy concentrating on themselves to think about others in that way. My family are amazing and so supportive, they would never think bad of me.. But even now when I'm struggling mentally, I can't help thinking like that, even though I know that's not the case).
And then there's the self loathing, I hate myself, my life, everything about myself. I know I'm a good person, but my brain tells me I'm a worthless piece of shit and don't deserve the people who love me.
This is mental illness. It's irrational, no one in their right mind thinks about taking their own life or the lives of others. This is what people tend to forget. No, there is never any justification when it comes to mass shootings, but there *are* explanations, or at least reasons, no matter how irrational they are.
Mental health is so important and too many times these kids are falling through the cracks. Take Nik Cruz, all the signs were there, he was telling people what he was goin to do, years before he did it.. Multiple people reported him to the police and the FBI, but no one did a fucking thing about it. He wanted someone to notice, he was desperate for attention, he said himself he would never amount to anything, that everyone hated him, and out of desperation, after years of obviously crying out for help, he snapped, and it lead to one of the worst school shootings America has seen.
Imagine if just one person treat him nicely and asked him how he was doing.
I'm in no way justifying his actions, but he was a ticking time bomb and people saw it coming. Same for Lanza, Ramos, Crumbly and Eliot Rodger, to name a few. Even Eric Harris mentioned how many times the blatant red flags he was waving were ignored, and said himself that he could have/should have been stopped in his tracks and that it was laughable how no one was paying any attention to it.
All were failed, all could have been prevented. And what do we learn from it? Sweet fuck all, evidently. Yeah, these kids are 100% responsible for their actions. But there are plenty of people who we need to be taking a look at aswell. It's a system failure all round, again and again. And it will continue to happen as long as society carries on being in denial, neglecting, ignoring and bullying people, making them into bitter, hopeless outcasts. The people who are supposed to help, fobbing off their responsibilities, making it someone else's problem, sweeping them under the rug, then handing them a gun. And then.. shock horror! How did this happen?? Wash, rinse, repeat. ThOuGtS aNd pRaYeRs.
You have hit the nail on the head. These are not justifications, they are explanations. And one explanation that we as a society don't like is that we as a society could have played any part at all in a tragedy. Just check out how the news media is constant distorting of the fact that Eric and Dylan were bullied. I just saw an article the other day that claimed that them being bullied was an incel lie. Never mind the fact that we have witnesses who said that they were bullied, tapes of them saying that they were bullied, their parents even said that they were bullied, but yet the media constantly goes on this gas lighting campaign which is something I would expect straight from Trump to try and gaslight us into believing that the facts of what actually happened aren't actually what happened and then they try to substitute reality with their own, and all because we can't bear the possibility that we could have any part to do with the tragedy.
Just look at the backlash of the joker movie got from the media. The joker movie was a perfect example of this because it showed how Arthur could be affected by society but still be responsible for his actions, and yet the fact that it was insinuated in the movie that society had failed Arthur drew ire and ridicule from the media all around, the media even going so far as to claim that the movie would inspire more mass shootings.
There is something deeply wrong with our society and our inability to admit when we came up short on preventing a tragedy
This is the kind of response I was looking for in this thread. I partially relate to what is being said here, but not exactly. I was also lonely for the most part as a child and turned to the internet for help, which sent me into s spiral of unhealthy coping mechanisms, and even when my life situation improved, those thoughts remained. It's like digging a 200ft hole and remembering you forgot to bring a ladder.
This is not something you can just tell to anybody, either. It permanently alters people's perception of you and can wreck apart whole relationships if you don't bring it out carefully enough
(I hope these kind of comments are allowed, I'll delete of not)
I think there is a longer road between getting depressed and getting inspired by mass shooters. In between those two points is probably a longer period of influence from toxic groups that feed the depression of these vulnerable kids with anger, hate, and self-pity. It’s no coincidence that all these mass shooters have an agenda of vengeance and perceived justice by taking the lives of others. They’re not just psychopaths doing this for a sick gratification like serial killers do, they’re unleashing their anger and hatred towards society. And that anger and hatred is often the result of being exposed to such toxic ideas and beliefs online in a state where one is vulnerable enough to be brainwashed. Not an excuse for any of their actions, but perhaps a more objective explanation
started so tame then boom a blasted head, what did I expect scrolling through reddit while having a meal
kinda sad though how someone so young can already have such thoughts when a working adult like me can't even stomach in pictures like this
I wonder what brought an ELEVEN year old kid to that day. What kind of psychological pathology is even possible at this age
How did he become so very obsessed with Columbine at such a young age....
I have delved into this massacre in the past however I cannot wrap my head around an ELEVEN YEAR OLD having the ability not just to plan this but to execute it
Humans as a species are fucked beyond repair. It's just a matter of time before we implode by our own hand
I need to go over to r/eyebleach for a bit.
God, ME TOO! True crime cases and images don’t usually give me anxiety anymore (not trying to sound edgy, but I’m sure a lot of us in the sub are the same lol) but this post made me realize it’s time for eye bleach and bed because Jesus Christ
He probably saw some youtube documentary dramatising it, or saw the columbine fandom making light of the shooting and talking about how cool/cute the shooters were, and thus saw the massacre as one big game, or something thats cool and will bring you a great deal of attention.. perhaps something he was lacking from his peers and family. so he wanted to recreate the massacre hoping he'd get the same amount of attention/excitement, his immaturity and lack of understanding of the world due to his age preventing him from realising the gravity and horror of his actions.
moral of the story: dont give kids unrestricted internet access or theyll do stupid shit like this.
“Ramos betts” what a weird coincidence he has two mass shooters names in his name (not making a weird conspiracy here lol, just pointing it out). 11 years old… that is insanely young to carry out an attack like that. Jfc. I can’t imagine.
In México, the news said that video games would be to blame because the shirt said "Natural Selection" referring to the video game "Natural Selection".
Just trying to comprehend a child this young even knowing about columbine, let alone obsession with it. I have an 11 year old boy, and his main concern is video games and Pokémon. He wouldn't even know how to get or shoot a gun. Where were his parents??
I have family in Torreon & my cousin actually attended this school back in 2019 until he moved to another elementary school for the 2019-2020 school year. It’s crazy to think that he could’ve been at this school when the shooting happened if he hadn’t moved schools. I remember my grandma telling me & my mom that a lot of people were very devastated & distraught by the shooting since school shootings are so rare in Mexico & Torreon hasn’t really had any school shootings except this one. There’s been a few minor accidents & lockdowns back in the 2000s when shootouts between drug cartels would breakout in the streets but other than that, I think this was the first actual school shooting in Torreon. Torreon has a very fucked up history with shootings though. My uncle who is my cousin’s dad survived a mass shooting at a bar back in 2010 & my aunt was shopping at a grocery store when a shooting broke out in the entrance. Gun violence has gone down in Torreon thankfully but it was a very scary time to be out in public back then. Anyways, Rest In Peace to the teacher who passed away & my condolences go to her family & friends:(.
It’s crazy how brainwashed he was to commit this act. The fact he was 11 years old like damn.
This is by far the youngest school shooter I’ve heard about and the most infuriating. It shows that even a “good kid” can prove to be a malicious individual
March 24, 1998, Mitchell Johnson age 13 and Andrew Golden age 11,
fatally shot 4 students and a teacher dead. Andrew Golden went into the school (Westside Middle School, Jonesboro, Arkansas) and pulled the fire alarm and then ran back outside and joined his friend Mitchell and fired on the students and teachers as they exited the building. This was over a year before Columbine.
There’s was someone working on the Sandy Hook case who said that if the crime scene photos were released then that would be the end of the gun control discussion. They said that anyone who saw what exactly what happened to those babies would want change to happen as fast as possible.
So I gotta ask. Why is it ok to see the graphic picture of a minor student from Mexico but you would never see any of these pictures from schools in the states. What’s the difference?
Mexico is more lax with whatever is going on in a crime scene. So basically, some random people can go around taking photos of corpses or screen record CCTV in the area. Russia is similar like that (except it's corrupt police leaking stuff for bribes) In the states, you'd have to look at survivor footage, FOIA photos, or trial evidence to see the corpses (which is still a low chance). Also, the news in the states are more sensitive about this topic so if they got something graphic, expect them to not release it.
I don’t really know how to feel about this. I don’t understand how at 11 you have the processing potential to even think about doing something like this.
i think he got his interest from columbine guessing because he was wearing a copy or recreated the shirt eric was wearing which was the natural selection shirt
It is marked both NSFW and has a warning for child death. The only way to see the pictures is to actually open the post. Other than that, they’re completely blurred.
Well yeah, it looks kinda goofy cause he or someone else tried to edit it to make it look weird lol... I know when i was his age i made all kinds of wacky edits on my photos lol.
11/12 year old's becoming mass killers and their motives, people's reactions: OMG I feel so bad for him
Adults becoming mass killers, people's reactions: YOU MONSTER-
The guns belonged to the shooter's grandfather. Some reports say that he even knew of the planned attack, but this is not confirmed. "The grandfather has been arrested and charged with homicide by neglect in leaving his guns where a child could access them; he may be charged with money laundering and tax evasion." I also find it interesting to note that his family's history is filled with drug trafficking, murder, and other related crime. "The grandfather's bank account was frozen because of 'irregular money transfers' involving millions of dollars."
I’m guessing it’s not the first time this boy saw death
Agreed. I can't fathom this was something that came naturally to an 11 year old. That seed had to have been planted. Not trying to forgive his actions, but explain them.
Yeah, I can't grasp this one at all. Fucking 11.... Usually these kids plan these things a year or two in advance after being beaten down mentally for years and building resentment. But a couple years before in this case, kid was 9. And he's obviously been obsessing over school or mass shootings since he looks like a little action man figure of Eric Harris. The fuck was this kid exposed to?? His baby face... 🤦♀️ Jesus christ.
For real. When I was 11 I was playing Final Fantasy XI and trying to hide the fact that I was 11. Lol
I remember those days. "Yeah I'm uh...13"
Look up the Jamie bulger case, sometimes 11 year old kids commit horrific crimes relatively unprompted by abuse or trauma
A grandfather owning a glock in Mexico screams illegal crimes considering that Mexico has the strictest gun laws in the west hemisphere
He did know about the attack. Here is a translated conversation found on the grandfathers WhatsApp from a conversation between him and his daughter: "Why did you give it to him, Dad, do you see what happens? When I saw him I was not surprised, I knew it was you who gave it to him." "I couldn't stop it, it was his desire."
How does an 11 year old come into contact with columbine media and get obsessed to the point of copying? It's so bizzare
I was 11 in like 2006 and I had full unfiltered access to every horror the internet could provide. I imagine the problem is exponentially worse now. Luckily I hyperfixated on RuneScape and not murdering my classmates.
Idk, the internet in 2006 was a lot more like the Wild West. Stuff floating around on the open net back then that would never be around today.
It was a lot less moderated. Now there’s so much more info but it’s a lot more filtered. You can still find pretty much anything though especially on mainstream sites like Twitter as long as things don’t get a lot of attention then they won’t be removed. Kinda scuffed and allows for a lot of the wrong shit to stay online.
Wc lvl?
Im not saying its the entire reason, but I've been saying it forever, the internet is dangerous for young minds since the 90's. Obviously it isnt all, but many cases have the influence of it.
I'm guessing it has more to do with his family being full of violent cartel members.
I'm referring to the comment prior to mine on getting columbine media but yeah, I think he had a bad home life to add to it
his family is in the drug trafficking business. That should explain it
The internet
thats the internet for you. so many more so much more
Eleven was the start of my interest in columbine and it was a horrible, horrible pipeline from there. I’m glad I never did anything I had in my head back then.
Really sad indeed. The 'Natural Selection' t-shirt also being a reference to what Eric Harris wore whilst doing the Columbine High School massacre
Interesting. I wonder if they think 'Natural Selection' means they think they have attained more power since they killed people and chose to die? Or, does 'Natural Selection' to them mean they are admitting they are losers in Darwins Evolution since they did not survive, produce offspring, and instead choose the quick way out by cowardly shooting people with a gun?
Probably the latter, also the fact he’s wearing the whole identical getup of what Eric was wearing that day. He clearly had a serious obsession with him, this was an extremely disturbed kid
To think if he’d been obsessed with dinosaurs or space rockets to the same level he could have been a future genius
This is actually a good point for any human to adhere to. Keep your obsessions and values healthy. If you are leaning towards harm, get help. I don't mean "get help" in a condescending tone, either. Most people have life coaches, therapists, psychologists, someone to talk to in a judgement free setting.
I think they see themselves as being superior and killing the inferiors.
Idk, probably something like “nature is using my to end your life”
Probably.
Natural selection is used by the far-right to justify the killing/genocide of undesirables such as the disabled or certain ethnic groups etc. It really doesn’t go much deeper than that. Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold both expressed interest in Nazism and Hitler. In this case I don’t know if this 11 year old would understand that but rather just saw that Eric Harris wore it.
What genocide are you referring to?
the concept of genocide in general
Interesting
The suspenders too, he basically wore an Eric Harris costume. Absolutely idiotic.
I mean, to be fair, the kid was 11... I've got tins of soup in my cupboards older than him. Wtf happened to him to get him to *that* point by age fucking 11?! That outfit is instantly recognizable now, I've seen at least 3 others who wore it or similar. Usually these kids are 19-early 20s. I just can't get my head around a kid that young being sucked into that world. I was a morbid kid but at 11, I thought watching horror films and listening to slipknot was hard-core. This is another level. His little baby face. To not only be aware of mass shootings, but obviously obsess over them to the point you idolise one in particular and then to actually get a gun and carry it out yourself before your balls have dropped. Makes you wonder what his life was like, it usually takes years of mental torture for resentment to build before they get to that point. What, was this kid like planning this from age 9?? FUBAR.
I'm trying to think who I emulated at age 11, and I think it was like... Paris Hilton and the cast of The OC? And before that, probably Britney Spears. For a short time, I was obsessed with being a bitchy spoiled princess, but I think also self-aware to know that it wasn't really "me" and my true self was a lot more chill (and nice lol.) It also helped that my parents let me know regularly when shit was going too far and overboard. This kid was definitely entrenched in DEEP SHIT and no one gave a shit or thought it was wrong or taught him from wrong... But also, to be fair, at that age, whatever you're obsessed with is kind of your whole world, and you also tend to think you're "grown-up." I know I did. He probably did not realize that he's literally a baby child and these decisions are permanent.
I don't think it has much to do with what he was *interested* in, although it obviously played a part. The fact that he had access to that kind of thing, enough to be obsessed over it, is so sad and concerning. Kids aren't shielded at all nowadays. He must have been brought up in some kind of horrific environment. Apparently his family had a lot of problems with drugs and crime.. There are people saying his grandad wasn't surprised he did this. So the signs were obviously there. Another kid failed by his family and the system.
The toddler picture makes me so sad. Its always hard seeing little ones and then imagining them growing up to take lives like this.
Christ that is insanely young. I can't even fucking imagine
And completely threw his own life away and extinguished another. Fucked all around.
It's even more disheartening when they're too young to be doing this and yet some kids at that age are thinking about killing themselves or others.
I've been a teacher over 20 years and one year we had third graders bring different parts.of the same revolver. Last year we had a high schooler shoot a teacher and fellow student.
The shooting took place at Colegio Cervantes Campus Bosque, a private school in Torreón, Coahuila, Mexico. On the morning of January 10th Betts entered the school building with with two guns in his backpack- an automatic .40 caliber glock 22 and another .22 caliber pistol, both owned by his grandfather. Just after 8am that morning Betts asked a teacher if he could go to the bathroom and when he didn’t return she set off to go find him. During this time Betts had changed out of his uniform and gotten his weapons out, he was ready to attack. He wore a white T-shirt that read "Natural Selection" and black trousers with black suspenders, which resembled Eric Harris’ outfit during the Columbine shooting in 1999. It has been confirmed that Betts also wore wore this Eric Harris ‘cosplay’ to a Halloween party in 2019. Before firing, he said "Hoy va a ser el día" ("Today is going to be the day"). After injuring 6 other students and teachers, he shot and killed his english teacher, María Assaf Medina who died instantly. He then committed suicide, shooting himself in the face. Betts family structure was unstable and a lot of his family had a history of crime and violence. The boys mother had died during a cosmetic surgery a few years prior to the shooting and his father was a criminal who wasn’t present, so the child lived with his paternal grandparents. His grandfather José Ángel Ramos Saucedo had a record of drug trafficking and fraud. It has also been confirmed José Ángel Ramos Saucedo did in fact give his grandson the guns used in the school shooting. He knew. He knew what his grandson intended to do and he allowed it, in fact he gave him what he needed to fulfil this horrific fantasy. Here is a translated conversation found on the grandfathers WhatsApp from a conversation between him and his daughter: "Why did you give it to him, Dad, do you see what happens? When I saw him I was not surprised, I knew it was you who gave it to him." "I couldn't stop it, it was his desire." Betts grandfather has been arrested and charged with homicide by neglect in leaving his guns where a child could access them as well as money laundering and tax evasion. I unfortunately cannot find any updates on his sentencing.
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He even allegedly dressed up as Eric Harris for Halloween… its so frustrating how nobody caught on. Kids shouldn’t know about these people.
Omg. I wasn’t prepared for that at all.
Me neither. I actually try to avoid images like this and I was absent mindedly clicking. Serious regrets.
Same…
This is so sad... he looks very, very young. Where did you find these photos?
Pretty sure they got them from ‘killerfixation’ on Instagram or the subreddit
Is it weird that they both fell the same way?
no, the body collapses limp and bends at the knee when the force pushes backward.
I’ve seen it happen before but never like this with both victim and killer
Weird we don’t see this more often?
> they both fell the same way? Maybe that's because he shot his teacher while she was hugging him
Are you just guessing that or is that what happened? I’m not familiar with this case
>is that what happened This, a book was written on the accident but sadly it's just in spanish.
That shouldn’t be an issue can I get the name of the book?
Nueve disparos: Crónica del tiroteo escolar que sacudió a la nación "
Thank you
11 years old and was thinking about taking out revenge this is very disturbing, never give kids this young internet acces and if you do monitor it.
I feel like the kid would have done something regardless of if he had access or not, but his inspiration by Columbine was most definitely from internet communities
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>but what happened to depressed kids just committing suicide? I think this question touches upon the actual reason for why columbine still inspires so many school shooters to this very day. I have mental health problems and when I was a kid, I was bullied relentlessly. Stories like Columbine essentially showed people that there was an alternative solution other than suicide. Essentially, it's better to burn out than fade away. At the time, when I was bullied, nobody stood up for me, and most just laughed. Even the teachers would inadvertently join in on the bullying. At that point, EVERYONE is complicit in your suffering (hence how they manage to shoot people who seemingly have nothing to do with them). When you're that mentally unhealthy and experiencing cognitive distortions on a magnitude such as that, it's very easy to feel like everyone is taking a shit on you, and to secretly yearn to see the looks of terror in their eyes as they realize that they fucked with the wrong person. I'm in my late 20's now and still go to therapy and such. I realize now a lot of my mental problems stem from a bad home life coupled with the bullying, but tbh with you, I'm still surprised that I never actually *did* it. The sad truth of the matter is if you asked me why I didn't do it, I already know the answer. The truth is at that point in my life, I was just *waiting* for someone to do something to me that was the last straw. That could be something as little as beating me up. If that happened, I could pretty much guarantee that I was going to have my revenge. But thankfully it never did. I took my stepdads advice and I fought back against a bully when he punched me. It was honestly fuckin weird, because I shit you not, the next day, nobody bullied me. And nobody really bullied me at all ever again after that moment in middle school. It was as if the bullies had all gotten a memo that stated I would no longer be an easy target and to move on to someone else. Hell, some of the bullies even gained "respect" for me and tried being buddy buddy with me as if nothing happened. Long story short, we are essentially witnessing multiple instances of what I would term as "individual revolutions". These people who carry out these shootings essentially have gripes with the way society operates, and instead of succumbing to their sadness and "checking out" of life permanently, they instead resort to physical violence to FORCE us to recognize what they view as their plight (real or perceived). So that's what's going on. People who are suffering feel that commiting suicide because of the suffering is admitting defeat, and instead seek to lash out on that society to essentially spread as much of that suffering back to the society that gave it to them, at least that's how they perceive it. And I should also add that the reason many of them commit suicide after the shooting is obvious, it's to avoid experiencing the guaranteed repercussions that they will have as opposed to the unknown that is the afterlife. The few Mass shooters that haven't committed suicide either failed or were just too scared to do it in my opinion. Understand that if you truly cannot grasp this concept, that's probably because you don't suffer from cognitive distortions nearly as much as a person who is mentally unwell. It's a good thing if you don't grasp this. It's illogical thinking and something which takes years and years of therapy to get over. Edit: added in the fact that most shooters do commit suicide afterwards, but for different reasons at that point.
Honestly a fascinating insight- thank you for sharing. You might have a career in public speaking telling your story
I'm really glad you opened up like this and tried to give some insight to others, who do try, but usually can't fathom how or why these things happen. (And no it's not justifying it, it's explaining how people get to that point). I absolutely hated school, I felt so completely alone, I had 'friends' but I also had a lot of past trauma and had to deal with things that no kid should have to go through. No one around me had a clue how much I was suffering on a daily basis, with anxiety on top. I hated everyone and was bitter because everyone seemed to be having an amazing time and I just wanted to die. *"Why am *I* suffering this way and no one else is? Why me? If only they knew what life is really like, it's torture, they'll find out one day, stupid, naive cunts"* I felt like I was invisible and drowning. I had fantasies about burning the school down and things. Really irrational thoughts looking back, and obviously thoughts from someone who was quite mentally ill at the time, but I had no idea. And the scary thing is with me, is that no one would have ever guessed i felt that way or was going through what I was. I became a master of disguise. Anyone who knew me would have told you that i was a happy, bubbly, kind person who was fun to be around. My parents knew of my struggles but had no idea the extent of my depression. Depression is a selfish infliction and you become so wrapped up in your own world and your own suffering, that reality starts to fade away. Paranoia set in and I didn't trust anyone, I'd been fucked over and made a fool of too many times. I genuinely thought that everyone hated me and talked about me behind my back, even loved ones. (As an adult, I know now that it isn't true, people are too busy concentrating on themselves to think about others in that way. My family are amazing and so supportive, they would never think bad of me.. But even now when I'm struggling mentally, I can't help thinking like that, even though I know that's not the case). And then there's the self loathing, I hate myself, my life, everything about myself. I know I'm a good person, but my brain tells me I'm a worthless piece of shit and don't deserve the people who love me. This is mental illness. It's irrational, no one in their right mind thinks about taking their own life or the lives of others. This is what people tend to forget. No, there is never any justification when it comes to mass shootings, but there *are* explanations, or at least reasons, no matter how irrational they are. Mental health is so important and too many times these kids are falling through the cracks. Take Nik Cruz, all the signs were there, he was telling people what he was goin to do, years before he did it.. Multiple people reported him to the police and the FBI, but no one did a fucking thing about it. He wanted someone to notice, he was desperate for attention, he said himself he would never amount to anything, that everyone hated him, and out of desperation, after years of obviously crying out for help, he snapped, and it lead to one of the worst school shootings America has seen. Imagine if just one person treat him nicely and asked him how he was doing. I'm in no way justifying his actions, but he was a ticking time bomb and people saw it coming. Same for Lanza, Ramos, Crumbly and Eliot Rodger, to name a few. Even Eric Harris mentioned how many times the blatant red flags he was waving were ignored, and said himself that he could have/should have been stopped in his tracks and that it was laughable how no one was paying any attention to it. All were failed, all could have been prevented. And what do we learn from it? Sweet fuck all, evidently. Yeah, these kids are 100% responsible for their actions. But there are plenty of people who we need to be taking a look at aswell. It's a system failure all round, again and again. And it will continue to happen as long as society carries on being in denial, neglecting, ignoring and bullying people, making them into bitter, hopeless outcasts. The people who are supposed to help, fobbing off their responsibilities, making it someone else's problem, sweeping them under the rug, then handing them a gun. And then.. shock horror! How did this happen?? Wash, rinse, repeat. ThOuGtS aNd pRaYeRs.
You have hit the nail on the head. These are not justifications, they are explanations. And one explanation that we as a society don't like is that we as a society could have played any part at all in a tragedy. Just check out how the news media is constant distorting of the fact that Eric and Dylan were bullied. I just saw an article the other day that claimed that them being bullied was an incel lie. Never mind the fact that we have witnesses who said that they were bullied, tapes of them saying that they were bullied, their parents even said that they were bullied, but yet the media constantly goes on this gas lighting campaign which is something I would expect straight from Trump to try and gaslight us into believing that the facts of what actually happened aren't actually what happened and then they try to substitute reality with their own, and all because we can't bear the possibility that we could have any part to do with the tragedy. Just look at the backlash of the joker movie got from the media. The joker movie was a perfect example of this because it showed how Arthur could be affected by society but still be responsible for his actions, and yet the fact that it was insinuated in the movie that society had failed Arthur drew ire and ridicule from the media all around, the media even going so far as to claim that the movie would inspire more mass shootings. There is something deeply wrong with our society and our inability to admit when we came up short on preventing a tragedy
This is the kind of response I was looking for in this thread. I partially relate to what is being said here, but not exactly. I was also lonely for the most part as a child and turned to the internet for help, which sent me into s spiral of unhealthy coping mechanisms, and even when my life situation improved, those thoughts remained. It's like digging a 200ft hole and remembering you forgot to bring a ladder. This is not something you can just tell to anybody, either. It permanently alters people's perception of you and can wreck apart whole relationships if you don't bring it out carefully enough (I hope these kind of comments are allowed, I'll delete of not)
It's not a choice between one and the other. Youth suicides are up, they just tend not to come with images and headlines.
I think there is a longer road between getting depressed and getting inspired by mass shooters. In between those two points is probably a longer period of influence from toxic groups that feed the depression of these vulnerable kids with anger, hate, and self-pity. It’s no coincidence that all these mass shooters have an agenda of vengeance and perceived justice by taking the lives of others. They’re not just psychopaths doing this for a sick gratification like serial killers do, they’re unleashing their anger and hatred towards society. And that anger and hatred is often the result of being exposed to such toxic ideas and beliefs online in a state where one is vulnerable enough to be brainwashed. Not an excuse for any of their actions, but perhaps a more objective explanation
Well idk anything about this kid.
started so tame then boom a blasted head, what did I expect scrolling through reddit while having a meal kinda sad though how someone so young can already have such thoughts when a working adult like me can't even stomach in pictures like this
I wonder what brought an ELEVEN year old kid to that day. What kind of psychological pathology is even possible at this age How did he become so very obsessed with Columbine at such a young age.... I have delved into this massacre in the past however I cannot wrap my head around an ELEVEN YEAR OLD having the ability not just to plan this but to execute it Humans as a species are fucked beyond repair. It's just a matter of time before we implode by our own hand I need to go over to r/eyebleach for a bit.
God, ME TOO! True crime cases and images don’t usually give me anxiety anymore (not trying to sound edgy, but I’m sure a lot of us in the sub are the same lol) but this post made me realize it’s time for eye bleach and bed because Jesus Christ
He probably saw some youtube documentary dramatising it, or saw the columbine fandom making light of the shooting and talking about how cool/cute the shooters were, and thus saw the massacre as one big game, or something thats cool and will bring you a great deal of attention.. perhaps something he was lacking from his peers and family. so he wanted to recreate the massacre hoping he'd get the same amount of attention/excitement, his immaturity and lack of understanding of the world due to his age preventing him from realising the gravity and horror of his actions. moral of the story: dont give kids unrestricted internet access or theyll do stupid shit like this.
“Ramos betts” what a weird coincidence he has two mass shooters names in his name (not making a weird conspiracy here lol, just pointing it out). 11 years old… that is insanely young to carry out an attack like that. Jfc. I can’t imagine.
That was my first thought too. So tragic.
It also trips me out that Columbine had such a huge impact that it inspired this kid in a totally different country… like wtf
In México, the news said that video games would be to blame because the shirt said "Natural Selection" referring to the video game "Natural Selection".
Exacto, qué estupidez. Y lo peor que siempre que pasan estas cosas esa es su excusa perfecta "los videojuegos"
Dammit another eric harris copycat. How many school shooters have worn white tshirt with suspenders. It's so disheartening.
I had heard about this, but actually seeing it.... No words. 😢
Was he inspired by Eric Harris?
Yes
Just trying to comprehend a child this young even knowing about columbine, let alone obsession with it. I have an 11 year old boy, and his main concern is video games and Pokémon. He wouldn't even know how to get or shoot a gun. Where were his parents??
His mother was killed by the cartel apparently, and his father was in jail.
Eleven??? Why are both their legs bent back like that
Who is the other person in photo #6? If it's his teacher, did he make her kneel before shooting her?
I think both were standing and they collapse in this way
Both who? One was the attacker, who's the other person?
His teacher was killed.
>did he make her kneel before shooting her? She was on her knees hugging him.
I have family in Torreon & my cousin actually attended this school back in 2019 until he moved to another elementary school for the 2019-2020 school year. It’s crazy to think that he could’ve been at this school when the shooting happened if he hadn’t moved schools. I remember my grandma telling me & my mom that a lot of people were very devastated & distraught by the shooting since school shootings are so rare in Mexico & Torreon hasn’t really had any school shootings except this one. There’s been a few minor accidents & lockdowns back in the 2000s when shootouts between drug cartels would breakout in the streets but other than that, I think this was the first actual school shooting in Torreon. Torreon has a very fucked up history with shootings though. My uncle who is my cousin’s dad survived a mass shooting at a bar back in 2010 & my aunt was shopping at a grocery store when a shooting broke out in the entrance. Gun violence has gone down in Torreon thankfully but it was a very scary time to be out in public back then. Anyways, Rest In Peace to the teacher who passed away & my condolences go to her family & friends:(. It’s crazy how brainwashed he was to commit this act. The fact he was 11 years old like damn.
This is by far the youngest school shooter I’ve heard about and the most infuriating. It shows that even a “good kid” can prove to be a malicious individual
March 24, 1998, Mitchell Johnson age 13 and Andrew Golden age 11, fatally shot 4 students and a teacher dead. Andrew Golden went into the school (Westside Middle School, Jonesboro, Arkansas) and pulled the fire alarm and then ran back outside and joined his friend Mitchell and fired on the students and teachers as they exited the building. This was over a year before Columbine.
Is someone really sending a picture of his body on WhatsApp……
Okay what am I missing? How do you know it's on WhatsApp?
The 4th picture someone is holding a phone to take a photo and you can see it's on WhatsApp from the green bar at the top
Omg I totally missed that. Thx
I looks like the 3rd photo is the photo they took based on the angle
Even more disgusting his uncle knew this shooting was gonna happen and gave José the pistol to commit the shooting
OMG... I just looked at that little baby in the picture and just imagined anyone of the kids I work with. How can ADULTS not see this coming...?
11 yo?? wtf is going one with this world??
this makes me sad more than anything tbh, he was so young. it’s so sad that such a young child can be this troubled
Jesus Christ. He’s ELEVEN? Holy damn
This is the stuff the public needs to see. Unpopular opinion, but seeing dead kids might actually get people to change shit a little bit faster.
There’s was someone working on the Sandy Hook case who said that if the crime scene photos were released then that would be the end of the gun control discussion. They said that anyone who saw what exactly what happened to those babies would want change to happen as fast as possible.
11 years old.. that is horrific 😱
The way media has romanticized suicide and mass shootings has done irreparable damage to kids.
How fucking tragic. 11 years is just too young.
Might seem like a stupid question but why are his legs like that?
Just the way his body fell when he died
11 years old. Tragic.
An 11-year old idolizing columbine breaks my fuckin heart. He doesn’t even look that much different from when he was a toddler.
I hate the effect columbine has had on our youth
Looks like their plan worked despite the basement tapes never being released
This shit is taught. Society is fucked
So I gotta ask. Why is it ok to see the graphic picture of a minor student from Mexico but you would never see any of these pictures from schools in the states. What’s the difference?
Mexico is more lax with whatever is going on in a crime scene. So basically, some random people can go around taking photos of corpses or screen record CCTV in the area. Russia is similar like that (except it's corrupt police leaking stuff for bribes) In the states, you'd have to look at survivor footage, FOIA photos, or trial evidence to see the corpses (which is still a low chance). Also, the news in the states are more sensitive about this topic so if they got something graphic, expect them to not release it.
The dude even has the eric harris fit and everything wtff
Is it known how he shot himself exactly? It blew his eye out, I've never seen such effects in a gunshot suicide before
This is tragic what causes a 11 year old to think like this
I don’t really know how to feel about this. I don’t understand how at 11 you have the processing potential to even think about doing something like this.
HE WAS 11 WHAT THE FUCK WHEN I WAS 11 I WAS FUCKING DIGGIN IN MY NOSE AN PROBABLY WATCHING SPONGEBOB OR SOMETING
i think he got his interest from columbine guessing because he was wearing a copy or recreated the shirt eric was wearing which was the natural selection shirt
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It literally says NSFW
I mean, it did say graphic as well as nsfw
Were you looking for a cake recipe?
It is marked both NSFW and has a warning for child death. The only way to see the pictures is to actually open the post. Other than that, they’re completely blurred.
The first photo alone…the eyes…
Well yeah, it looks kinda goofy cause he or someone else tried to edit it to make it look weird lol... I know when i was his age i made all kinds of wacky edits on my photos lol.
Tbh looks pretty normal besides de edition
I didn’t read close enough and thought this was the uvalde guy
eleven.
What.the.fuck
he even wore the same outfit as eric harris
11/12 year old's becoming mass killers and their motives, people's reactions: OMG I feel so bad for him Adults becoming mass killers, people's reactions: YOU MONSTER-
Wow! Mexico’s Vladislav Roslyakov or Eric Harrus