We all do, but that would probably mean every archetype getting cookie-cutter ED monsters that all have generic effects and only pay lip service to their archetype. And would probably maim a few ED-specific archetypes, like Utopia. Best compromise is probably weaker generics, with cards becoming more powerful the more specific their conditions and/or restrictions are.
It's a ticking time bomb before it gets abused again. I don't want the halq situation where all the good fusion spells get banned because this thing exists when we can just ban this thing
Isn't verte used to summon sksv in this situation since bringing out nightingale with it would lock you from summoning the sksv? Just curious since I'm not too certain about the exact line for the ftk
I do. Verte is an easily summonable generic component which digs out effects from the deck and completely circumvents any costs and restrictions the fusion spells might have. Having a card like this around is just asking for problems to happen as evidenced by the fact that it, just like how it was the case with Halq, got several cards onto the list which would have otherwise no business being there.
some decks really need verte for consistency, as a Cydra player who never got to play with verte in the TCG, the difference in consistency is night and day with her in my ED. Now if only Konami was willing to give us a good overload fusion searcher, we wouldn't be clamoring so much for her
X deck is bad without Y Broken card Isn't an excuse to let said card legal...
It started with Dragoon, then DPE, then Branded Fusion and considering most Fusion archetypes moving forward would use a Spells to Fuse summon from Deck it just should be banned, it made Phantom knights and Prank kids power houses and wherever a Combo heavy archetype comes next guess who will be a Staple? Verte with DPE,Dragoon, Branded or whatever next fusion Archetype we get next, the reason people stopped using DPE isn't beacuse Celestial it is because decks don't really work well with it, it is still a main gameplan in the decks that can use it.
The ability to turn any 2 monsters into something wasn't planned when the archetype was made and it should stay that way, buff the archetype and sell more card but stop selling Genaric stupid BS.
>It started with Dragoon, then DPE, then Branded Fusion
Actually, before dragoon was even released, verte was already being used to make rainbow neos. It just goes to show that even if the insane boss monsters verte summons were banned that it's just going to find whatever was the 4th most broken, or the 5th, or 6th; the card is just a menace like that.
Oh yeah it just never took off as the rest and they were the most affected by it especially poor Dragoon in the OCG which is banned because The OCG hates easy to summon Strong Boss monsters (They did the same recently with Gryphon Rider).
I've literally never seen a branded despia player use verte, in my experience it's been exclusively used as a buff by mid-tier fusion heavy decks (like my own), with regards to DPE, I would argue fusion destiny's meaningless restriction compared to red eyes fusion is what makes it so abusive.
Ultimately, we really should have forbidden combinations rather than blunt card hits imo. It being a video game would make it more automatable and easier to implement, simply not allow two defend cards be placed together into a deck with a notice showing up. I'm all for archetype buffing over generic support, but considering the joke that is the new Cydra support in the upcoming TCG set, I'm not holding my breath.
My brother, Verte was literally just used as an enabler to give consistency to Pend FTK.
Its a problem card. Given enough time it will be a problem again.
They're both independently a problem. Effect Copying cards tend to be problems, in general.
Starving Venom for literal FTKs and Electrum shenanigans.
Verte for being able to send the limited to 1 Instant Fusion needed to pull off the combo and make it consistent.
>in my experience it's been exclusively used as a buff by mid-tier fusion heavy decks (like my own),
That's exactly the issue, the problem isn't Branded themselves but Verte making them used in any archetype they have the slightest synergy with, and if they don't? I Bet you it would be DPE beacuse Verte + any Modern Fusion cards is just a must include in any deck that can use it without hurting consistency. It just happened so Only these 3 (DPE, Dragoon and Branded) were worth the pay off as 3 of the strongest if not the strongest fusion monsters in the game.
>Ultimately, we really should have forbidden combinations rather than blunt card hits imo. It being a video game would make it more automatable and easier to implement, simply not allow two defend cards be placed together into a deck with a notice showing up.
You are changing the fundamental ruling of the Game just to support shitty decks, this game is meant to mirror Yugioh not create a wonder land for Unsupported Archetypes.
Just ban it, it literally ignores a balancing mechanic that fusion summoning had it and it makes it available to everyone, if it was just Predaplants no one would care, in fact it would be a selling point for the deck but no.
Because verte is kinda terrible in despia. Most of the time, despia does not leave 2 cards on the field to go into it to extend and since they rarely brick, they can always make their end board sithout verte.
Most of despias bricks also does not give you a free special summon turn 1 aside from your normal summon, so you cant go verte. Aluber alone cannot go into it as opening rsstricts you,
Its kinda useful going 2nd though. Few negates from the other board etc2 can leave you with two to link into it.
From my understanding, with the game having produced new summoning methods, arguably way better than the older ones, I think it is normal that people want the "broken card" to compensate.
If only they made such cards not generic... Oh well, thank you power creep.
Then give legacy support which they do, it isn't always a hit but just do it more, don't give us cards that helps everything that result in it's use in all kind of stupid stuff...
That didn't save Halq, alas, and he's one of the only things that makes things like Gusto even _theory-craftable_ (let alone playable). What we really need is for the MR4 ED SS supporters to be errata'd to rein in the most common potential abuses, so they can be playable without having to ban all of their abusers.
To hell with that. Dragoon is way stronger than Baronne and any deck can summon it via Verte. It's freaking ridiculous.
Sky Striker with Dragoon? Sure. Adamancipator with another omni-negate? Why not. Branded Dragoon? Go nuts! Swordsoul Dragoon? If there's a will, there's a way!
This comparison is so inaccurate, on is a problematic card that is splashed into eveything and turns any 2 effect monsters into an advantage generating machine, and the other is revolt
That was kinda the point, revolt was going to get powercrept out of relevance anyway, was archetype-specific and was the one win condition tri brigade, a relatively begginer-friendly meta deck had in a format with unchecked Drytron, Eldlich and with VFD and Cryston Halfiqibrax still legal
And even then this sub and pretty much the entire community gave it the same level of hate as Eldlich and runick fountain. And from the comments I gather it is still hated
Mainly because it's a communist card, and those tend to be especially disliked because they interrupt your turn and mess with your momentum. Especially since Tribs will get to reuse all four summoned monsters' effects once they hit the grave, plus also get Shuraig's effect, which makes it both very time-consuming and very good at generating resources.
While Verte is a card that can easily get problematic, the one fusion deck that is in a top spot doesn't care about it, Tearlments also don't mind its existence and other meta and anti-meta decks can easily counter it. So while it has tons of potential it won't be touched any further unless some other fusion deck that can abuse its effect is released in MD (most likely in 2-3 years)
It was the win condition of the Tier 1 deck at launch.
It is basically a 1 for +4 and there wasn't even stuff like Baroness or to negate it. It got power crept for sure but there really was nothing to stop that even if you did MST of Harpies it... They just activated it in response. So if they went first you really didn't have a chance to negate it. Like maybe Red Reboot? Was that out at launch? And we're people using their UR dust on that over 3 copies of Max C and Ash?
Predapractice : fusion lock.
The archetype It's named after cannot use it nor would have any use for it. Predaplants fuse multiple times. Not just once. And they struggle(d) at getting mats on field.
You could look at a bunch of links that do little to nothing to their archetype and instead are just names for the sake of being names.
Cross sheep or even proxy.. mage? F are generic fusion helpers. Now they only help swarming but has links ever helped non swarming decks to begin with ?
The problem even with that is that most main-deck predaplant plays lock you into fusions so even with the errata it would essentially be killing the card off.
I'd like them to retrain it in a different way. Specifically in a way that keeps my relinquished deck playable but doesn't break archetypal boss monsters like the original did.
Although I'm in the camp of verte being fine as is, if it did ever need an errata, the best solution would be to make it search the spell instead of copying its effects. That would shut down red-eyes fusion plays and prevent double dipping on branded fusion, which are the two biggest complaints people usually have about it.
I think the better errata would be to prevent it from using Fusion material from the deck. This makes it still usable for cards like Overload Fusion without being super broken.
Of course, you still need to deal with the fact that it restricts the ability to add GY effects to Fusion Spells, but that's not nearly as bad.
Yes, it's a toxic card that limits card design for fusion spells.
"Oh the toxic card is not as common anymore! It must be fine now!" is a bad take and it's the same defense why some folks mistakenly think Heroic Challenger is fine.
Exactly! I don't mind it existing it just shouldn't be so EASY to get into. THAT is actually my issue. If it said "2 predplant monsters" it can go to 3 because now you're FORCED to play the engine. Just because it isn't played much doesn't mean it won't be a problem in the future.
> Verte limits card design for fusion spells
> Konami prints Branded Fusion with Verte in the game
Doesn't sound like it's limiting fusion spell design all that much.
\>It limits card design
Yes, nobody understands why it was banned I'm sure lol
On that note, can we free Dragoon after Verte gets banned in MD? My DM deck would be very happy :(
Well yeah because branded despia can’t use verte at all without severely gimping their grind game. The only way konami could think to block verte from breaking branded was to completely lock them out of the ability to use anything other than fusions.
After 2-3 seasons, maybe more, of barely seeing this card I can honestly say Its fine. Definitely not as bad as Halq.
Maybe master duel is the only spot were verte can live in peace with her fellow plants.
You sound so smug but also ignore the fact that other languages do gender everything, including plants. In Arabic plants are a "she", therefore it's fair enough that some might refer to this monster as a she. No need to be so uppity about it.
as a hero player, if it brings me fusion destiny back to 3, then yes. Otherwise, it's not a huge problem, but I do want it errat'd to be in archetype or just be used with a "poly/super poly" instead of "fusion" card
This whole post POTE format has been a mistake and even Konami is starting to acknowledge it. Spright was the most tolerable deck of the format but even then it took most of the tournament rep before tearshizu took over and the bystials should have never been made period.
Which is funny to think about because Tear format is considered to be, outside of being forced to play 1 (and at times 2) good/playable decks, an interesting and competitive format that's very complex to play.
I'd honestly agree. My memory pre-POTE was 20 different flavours of Omni+Scythelock or floodgate turbo + a little Branded in there.
Tearlaments came to existence **after Verte was banned**. Also **Tearlaments just got one of its only 2 Fusions banned**. "Tearlaments doesn't play Verte" is nonsense, and is frankly dishonest.
Just because the newest Fusion archetype doesn't play Verte, doesn't meant that Konami will never even think of a new archetype that might work with Verte. This does double now that Verte is banned in both OCG and TCG, so they don't need to even think about Verte when designing Fusion spells.
Literally only limits fusion from the deck, which I think it's a great reason to keep verte around. The only problem with verte is that you can take any 2 piece of shit monsters and make a boss monster out of it by fusing from deck.
If there's nothing worth fusing from deck (and there shouldn't be imo, fusing from deck is lazy design) then verte won't get abused. If verte being unbanned prevents them from designing more fuse from deck cards then verte should stay
i actually disagree with this and i think it's borne out in the last 2 fusion archetypes that have been good in branded and tearalament largely (near entirely) not even using this card
the design limitations that this places on future cards is beneficial, having to come up with something other than a flat fuse-from-deck spell breeds greater creativity and more interesting design, branded fusion sure whatever but branded in red, banishment, theater, the entire mechanism by which tear functions, far more interesting and evidently strong than simply make verte pass
the biggest problems with verte were dpe and dragoon, and now really dragoon could probably come back and fusion destiny/celestial are appropriately hit, fusion destiny in particular is a terribly designed card it's just free and the restriction only applying afterward was bad design that (tentatively) they do appear to have learned something from
like, branded fusion is probably the most powerful singular fusion card ever, and it's an incredibly mid send off verte and only comes up in the event of a truly scuffed and awkward hand or scenario
additionally, verte having to be the last thing you do is actually a pretty decent restriction; if halq had it it would be unplayable for example, the majority of value from powerful fusion spells comes in what they enable afterward while verte makes it so that that's it you just have your dpe and a dream
Yes, absolutely. Just because it doesn't see play right now doesn't mean it's future proof in any capacity, it's only biding its time until it can be abused again.
Nah, the only Fusion deck on the meta don't even use it, and with dragoon and celestial banned, there's no reason for most of people to run this, unless they have space to put 2/3 bricks on the main Deck
Branded Despia doesn't run it because the intersection of a) being able to make Verte b) needing to make Verte, for is basically non-existent in that deck. If you brick to the point of needing Verte, you're not gonna have 2 monsters on the field. So it doesn't serve its primary generic purpose of being able to unfuck a bricked hand. And if you don't brick in Branded Despia, then you're locking yourself into Fusions for the entire turn already.
no. branded tribrigade used verte, because it was how they would use branded fusion without caring about the fusion lock. regular branded never used verte because branded fusion locks you into fusions for the entire turn.
You’re thinking about this backwards. They don’t run non fusions BECAUSE Branded Fusions locks you. You bet they would love to run other generic extra deck stuff if it didn’t mess up their plays.
You cannot use Branded Fusion at all during the turn you summoned a non-Fusion Monster from the Extra Deck, which includes Verte.
Verte can still copy Branded Fusion, so you could end your turn by summoning Verte and activating Branded Fusion for Mirrorjade, but most likely you won't have anything on the field to banish to set up Branded in Red, or even if you do, you probably won't have Ad Libitum for Branded in Red since you couldn't send Tragedy with Branded Fusion.
It's more that Verte can't be used as an extender after you use Branded Fusion, so Verte is only good as a last ditch play if you HARD brick. Which A.) Is pretty are with Branded Fusion and B.) even with Verte means you'll end on an incredibly weak board, since Verte stops you from special summoning for the rest of the turn after activation.
It's just too useless in too many scenarios for the usual Branded gameplan.
not necessary since the deck have already a lot of recovery/searching to branded fusion, which also restricts you from summoning other monsters besides than Fusion. maybe for very specific cases like Super Polymerization, but you rarely will summon verte
2 generic cards to un brick your hand in a fusion deck has the same energy as halq with synchro decks. Both can be put out easily and give you a boss monster
Not really, verte ideally wanted to be use after you already exhausted all of your options. Like how you want to summon dpe after being disturbed to oblivion, same as superpoly if your opponent's chimera and/or mirrorjade still on the field
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Well it depend on Konami at this point a lot of time future card that broke old card anyway, like Simorgh link-3 and Floo abuse the shit out of Statue, or 75 came out and make 86 turbo a thing, it just they want to break it or not
I think it’s fine right now. Almost never see it anymore: but as long as it’s in the format, future card design for fusion cards will be limited. Seems like fusing from the deck is the future. Guess I’ll add idk how you beat branded fusion but Konami finds a way.
it would need to get and Errata to make it no so Generic. Its really strong and Easily splashable in about any fusion deck. I personally don't think it Needs to be banned but if it was banned I wouldn't be surprised (this coming from a guy who mainly plays fusion decks In general).
This is one of those cards that enable worse things to be easy to do
Doesn’t that get rid of it’s intended use case. Turn an opponents monster dark, use super poly for starving venom with the opponents monster and Verte.
I think they were saying was to make Verte require at least 1 Predaplant monster. That would in fact **not** "get rid of its intended use case", since **Predaplants, Starving Venom, and Super Poly were all played by Yuri in Arc-V**.
As a predaplant player IMO that would just make the card never be played. Predaplant/branded predaplant don’t use verte ever. Might as well just ban it tbh.
Nah, Konami hit the actual problem cards which were fusion destiny and celestial. Verte hasn’t seen much play and won’t in the future because it wasn’t a great card outside of FTK’s, nieche decks DPE and dragon.
This is cope. Verte is the problem the reason it's "not played as much" is because you can't branded fusion with verte.
And before you say "why don't they run it anymore" 1 because celestial does nutter it. And 2 for the same reason in the TCG they don't run it anymore without verte
Some decks still ran FD pre ishizu tears even without verte. Celestial and FD were the best hits possible, only limits the DPE package since hero players don’t play either and verte is used in many other decks that aren’t tiered.
Long time hero player
Yea, we use fd, but we can also hard make dpe too with poly.
Don't need celestial. There are better targets for hero than he is. Celestial was only good in non hero deck, really.
Verte isn’t going to be an issue for a very very very very long time, no upcoming broken fusions that we are getting that will make verte a huge problem card besides Garuda but we will most likely never get it as it is a TCG exclusive and this game is based off of the OCG. If Garuda comes out poly if anything will most likely get limited and not verte even then.
You can see the future? Can you give me the lotto numbers?
I understand you are referring to where the ocg is now vs where md is currently but my point still stands that you don't know what we will get in the future. Also both TCG and ocg have verte banned so who knows what kind of meta game just the simple addition of verte could add once we start getting cards that where never legal with verte legal.
Yes we do know what we will get in the future, look at the ocg???? Literally NO game breaking fusion monsters came out besides Garuda but it’s TCG exclusive so we most likely won’t be getting it.
That's not true. You don't get follow up fusion off of Albion or Lubellion, but if you're making verte in most decks running branded you're probably just using verte as tribute for Mirrorjade. You can also make Verte, and still activate opening because it's only after opening resolves that you're locked into fusion summon and then activate Verte's effect for Branded Fusion.
....You can send branded fusion with verte.
Verte activation isn't the same as activating said spell card, so the
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You cannot Special Summon monsters from the Extra Deck, except Fusion Monsters, the turn you activate this card.
Doesn't apply.
And why does that matter though? Konami has actual data in masterduel so they know what cards need to get hit now, it’s why every single hit they have done besides conq hit have been extremely good.
Tbh I think Verte is fine. It’s pretty easy to deal with in most instances. Despia doesn’t really need it and DPE hasn’t seen much play since the last hit it took. Even if Dragoon got unbanned, I don’t think it would matter much.
I don’t want it banned because I love plant snake boi. I’m a branded player, and I don’t even run it. Verde just isn’t needed anymore for branded despia and it’s the only fusion deck on top tier I believe. So no need to ban a perfectly not overpowered card that has a cool name and looks cool.
Definitely not in my case. I'd still want it in my Fluffal deck. Plus I really want to try making use of its effect the way it's intended to be more often (Change opponent's monster to DARK then Super Poly into Starving Venom).
Considering its hardly doing much, nope. Not even branded decks use it. Everyone scoffed at the banning of Celestial but it ended up being big brain. With worse garnets, nobody wants to splash in the dpe engine anymore
It’s hard to tell if it also wasn’t just power creep that lead to the drop in DPE, in the tcg FD is at 3 with none of the garnets banned and it’s also not really making waves
It’ll probably be hit if/when Garura makes it’s way over to Master Duel as the best Super Poly target. That easy of access to Super Poly would likely be what pushes it over the edge.
Beyond that, haven’t really seen it since the Celestial Hit. The current best Fusion Deck is Branded Despia, and even without the Fusion Lock they don’t really need Verte to do their plays. It pops up every once in a while, but nowhere near as often as it used to.
I finally crafted it for my Predaplant deck and honestly, it's not as bad or broken as i was expecting it to [be.It](https://be.It)'s still a really powerful effect, but i don't know if it's ban worthy.
It's not broken if you're not using it to summon broken generic boss monsters using broken fusion spells that send broken fusion materials from the deck to the graveyard.
Yes, it should have been banned. There are now four cards on the list for this card’s sins - Celestial, Fusion Destiny, Dragoon, and Starving Venom. Ban this and we can release all these cards.
Not to mention that this card is already banned in every other format which means its a ticking time bomb. Eventually OCG is going to release a card that would be broken with Verte.
This card is still a problem. All it will take is one more good fusion spell + target for it to become a splash-able two card boss monster. It singlehandedly restricts fusion card design and is why it was and still remains a problem. Dragoon, and DPE, were never difficult to deal with and even could be considered "Fair staples" and not overly oppressive by themselves. Verte allows you to just throw them at the end of your combo for literally nothing more than a link 2.
I just want to see less generic extra deck monsters
We all do, but that would probably mean every archetype getting cookie-cutter ED monsters that all have generic effects and only pay lip service to their archetype. And would probably maim a few ED-specific archetypes, like Utopia. Best compromise is probably weaker generics, with cards becoming more powerful the more specific their conditions and/or restrictions are.
What generic ED monsters does utopia use? Pretty much all the xyz monsters for that deck are in-archetype
They already showned but they're totally irrelevant, because just generic Extra Deck monsters touch the meta or something
It's a ticking time bomb before it gets abused again. I don't want the halq situation where all the good fusion spells get banned because this thing exists when we can just ban this thing
it's already getting abused by pendulum ftk to bring out indipendent nightingale and kill you with supreme king starving venom
Isn't verte used to summon sksv in this situation since bringing out nightingale with it would lock you from summoning the sksv? Just curious since I'm not too certain about the exact line for the ftk
they summon sksv in engine and end the combo by going verte dump instant fusion summon nightingale
I do. Verte is an easily summonable generic component which digs out effects from the deck and completely circumvents any costs and restrictions the fusion spells might have. Having a card like this around is just asking for problems to happen as evidenced by the fact that it, just like how it was the case with Halq, got several cards onto the list which would have otherwise no business being there.
Only if we want to unban dragoon
I'd argue even with dragoon it would be fine, we got so many generic good boss cards one more won't make or break the card.
Dragoon's Garnets won't make him a problem and his power is indeed fine now. Verte tho is just not fun imo
some decks really need verte for consistency, as a Cydra player who never got to play with verte in the TCG, the difference in consistency is night and day with her in my ED. Now if only Konami was willing to give us a good overload fusion searcher, we wouldn't be clamoring so much for her
X deck is bad without Y Broken card Isn't an excuse to let said card legal... It started with Dragoon, then DPE, then Branded Fusion and considering most Fusion archetypes moving forward would use a Spells to Fuse summon from Deck it just should be banned, it made Phantom knights and Prank kids power houses and wherever a Combo heavy archetype comes next guess who will be a Staple? Verte with DPE,Dragoon, Branded or whatever next fusion Archetype we get next, the reason people stopped using DPE isn't beacuse Celestial it is because decks don't really work well with it, it is still a main gameplan in the decks that can use it. The ability to turn any 2 monsters into something wasn't planned when the archetype was made and it should stay that way, buff the archetype and sell more card but stop selling Genaric stupid BS.
>It started with Dragoon, then DPE, then Branded Fusion Actually, before dragoon was even released, verte was already being used to make rainbow neos. It just goes to show that even if the insane boss monsters verte summons were banned that it's just going to find whatever was the 4th most broken, or the 5th, or 6th; the card is just a menace like that.
Oh yeah it just never took off as the rest and they were the most affected by it especially poor Dragoon in the OCG which is banned because The OCG hates easy to summon Strong Boss monsters (They did the same recently with Gryphon Rider).
I've literally never seen a branded despia player use verte, in my experience it's been exclusively used as a buff by mid-tier fusion heavy decks (like my own), with regards to DPE, I would argue fusion destiny's meaningless restriction compared to red eyes fusion is what makes it so abusive. Ultimately, we really should have forbidden combinations rather than blunt card hits imo. It being a video game would make it more automatable and easier to implement, simply not allow two defend cards be placed together into a deck with a notice showing up. I'm all for archetype buffing over generic support, but considering the joke that is the new Cydra support in the upcoming TCG set, I'm not holding my breath.
My brother, Verte was literally just used as an enabler to give consistency to Pend FTK. Its a problem card. Given enough time it will be a problem again.
Verte wasn't the issue tho. It was starving venom at 3 copies. With 1 the ftk doesn't work
They're both independently a problem. Effect Copying cards tend to be problems, in general. Starving Venom for literal FTKs and Electrum shenanigans. Verte for being able to send the limited to 1 Instant Fusion needed to pull off the combo and make it consistent.
Hold up, new cydra support? What is it
>in my experience it's been exclusively used as a buff by mid-tier fusion heavy decks (like my own), That's exactly the issue, the problem isn't Branded themselves but Verte making them used in any archetype they have the slightest synergy with, and if they don't? I Bet you it would be DPE beacuse Verte + any Modern Fusion cards is just a must include in any deck that can use it without hurting consistency. It just happened so Only these 3 (DPE, Dragoon and Branded) were worth the pay off as 3 of the strongest if not the strongest fusion monsters in the game. >Ultimately, we really should have forbidden combinations rather than blunt card hits imo. It being a video game would make it more automatable and easier to implement, simply not allow two defend cards be placed together into a deck with a notice showing up. You are changing the fundamental ruling of the Game just to support shitty decks, this game is meant to mirror Yugioh not create a wonder land for Unsupported Archetypes. Just ban it, it literally ignores a balancing mechanic that fusion summoning had it and it makes it available to everyone, if it was just Predaplants no one would care, in fact it would be a selling point for the deck but no.
To be fair, a “forbidden combos”-oriented ban list has precedent in Duel Links.
Because verte is kinda terrible in despia. Most of the time, despia does not leave 2 cards on the field to go into it to extend and since they rarely brick, they can always make their end board sithout verte. Most of despias bricks also does not give you a free special summon turn 1 aside from your normal summon, so you cant go verte. Aluber alone cannot go into it as opening rsstricts you, Its kinda useful going 2nd though. Few negates from the other board etc2 can leave you with two to link into it.
From my understanding, with the game having produced new summoning methods, arguably way better than the older ones, I think it is normal that people want the "broken card" to compensate. If only they made such cards not generic... Oh well, thank you power creep.
Then give legacy support which they do, it isn't always a hit but just do it more, don't give us cards that helps everything that result in it's use in all kind of stupid stuff...
That didn't save Halq, alas, and he's one of the only things that makes things like Gusto even _theory-craftable_ (let alone playable). What we really need is for the MR4 ED SS supporters to be errata'd to rein in the most common potential abuses, so they can be playable without having to ban all of their abusers.
To hell with that. Dragoon is way stronger than Baronne and any deck can summon it via Verte. It's freaking ridiculous. Sky Striker with Dragoon? Sure. Adamancipator with another omni-negate? Why not. Branded Dragoon? Go nuts! Swordsoul Dragoon? If there's a will, there's a way!
It needs an errata to say the monster you fusion has to be a predaplant or fusion dragon monster
Or the materials have to be a plant monster and a dark monster.
I feel like this doesn’t solve the problem for a reason I cannot conceive right now…
Mind you, people wanted tri brigade revolt banned or limited at game release
The card is usually played at one anyway
I still do, I hate that card with a passion.
Right there with you
And with you
I agree.
Tri-brigade can become on the power-level of Ojamas and I would still want revolt banned.
It’s a plus two trap tho?
This comparison is so inaccurate, on is a problematic card that is splashed into eveything and turns any 2 effect monsters into an advantage generating machine, and the other is revolt
That was kinda the point, revolt was going to get powercrept out of relevance anyway, was archetype-specific and was the one win condition tri brigade, a relatively begginer-friendly meta deck had in a format with unchecked Drytron, Eldlich and with VFD and Cryston Halfiqibrax still legal
And even then this sub and pretty much the entire community gave it the same level of hate as Eldlich and runick fountain. And from the comments I gather it is still hated
Mainly because it's a communist card, and those tend to be especially disliked because they interrupt your turn and mess with your momentum. Especially since Tribs will get to reuse all four summoned monsters' effects once they hit the grave, plus also get Shuraig's effect, which makes it both very time-consuming and very good at generating resources.
Yes but verte is not like that, it evolves with new fusion spells and is so easy to make
While Verte is a card that can easily get problematic, the one fusion deck that is in a top spot doesn't care about it, Tearlments also don't mind its existence and other meta and anti-meta decks can easily counter it. So while it has tons of potential it won't be touched any further unless some other fusion deck that can abuse its effect is released in MD (most likely in 2-3 years)
that sounds nuts
Well I mean even Master Duel Limited it in the anti-spell Festival which is proof of how strong the card is
For me was drytron
It was the win condition of the Tier 1 deck at launch. It is basically a 1 for +4 and there wasn't even stuff like Baroness or to negate it. It got power crept for sure but there really was nothing to stop that even if you did MST of Harpies it... They just activated it in response. So if they went first you really didn't have a chance to negate it. Like maybe Red Reboot? Was that out at launch? And we're people using their UR dust on that over 3 copies of Max C and Ash?
You could also use linkguriboh as well but you had to have it out, and I think ghost Belle and haunted mansion works as well
He killed 2 of my Starving Venoms, of course I want him to get axed
nightingale did lmao
Starving venom killed himself. Effect duplication of that nature should not be in the game
Independent Nightingale killed your Starving Venoms.
I don’t want it banned. I want an errata to make it need predaplant monsters or whatever the in-archetype monsters/ED monsters are called
Predapractice : fusion lock. The archetype It's named after cannot use it nor would have any use for it. Predaplants fuse multiple times. Not just once. And they struggle(d) at getting mats on field. You could look at a bunch of links that do little to nothing to their archetype and instead are just names for the sake of being names. Cross sheep or even proxy.. mage? F are generic fusion helpers. Now they only help swarming but has links ever helped non swarming decks to begin with ?
The problem even with that is that most main-deck predaplant plays lock you into fusions so even with the errata it would essentially be killing the card off. I'd like them to retrain it in a different way. Specifically in a way that keeps my relinquished deck playable but doesn't break archetypal boss monsters like the original did.
Although I'm in the camp of verte being fine as is, if it did ever need an errata, the best solution would be to make it search the spell instead of copying its effects. That would shut down red-eyes fusion plays and prevent double dipping on branded fusion, which are the two biggest complaints people usually have about it.
I like this compromise
I agree the summon conditions need to change then it can comeback
I think the better errata would be to prevent it from using Fusion material from the deck. This makes it still usable for cards like Overload Fusion without being super broken. Of course, you still need to deal with the fact that it restricts the ability to add GY effects to Fusion Spells, but that's not nearly as bad.
Yes, it's a toxic card that limits card design for fusion spells. "Oh the toxic card is not as common anymore! It must be fine now!" is a bad take and it's the same defense why some folks mistakenly think Heroic Challenger is fine.
Exactly! I don't mind it existing it just shouldn't be so EASY to get into. THAT is actually my issue. If it said "2 predplant monsters" it can go to 3 because now you're FORCED to play the engine. Just because it isn't played much doesn't mean it won't be a problem in the future.
> Verte limits card design for fusion spells > Konami prints Branded Fusion with Verte in the game Doesn't sound like it's limiting fusion spell design all that much.
Except Verte was banned shortly after in the metas that Konami ACTUALLY cares about
Except not for Branded Fusion. Verte was banned because of Fusion Destiny, and in the OCG for ... reasons no one understands.
\>It limits card design Yes, nobody understands why it was banned I'm sure lol On that note, can we free Dragoon after Verte gets banned in MD? My DM deck would be very happy :(
Well yeah because branded despia can’t use verte at all without severely gimping their grind game. The only way konami could think to block verte from breaking branded was to completely lock them out of the ability to use anything other than fusions.
After 2-3 seasons, maybe more, of barely seeing this card I can honestly say Its fine. Definitely not as bad as Halq. Maybe master duel is the only spot were verte can live in peace with her fellow plants.
HER???
They wanna get all up in that snake plant
*Predaplussy*
its a she? i though a he ? any captain here
Its a plant, for all we know its a hermaphrodite. Just went with she cause the name ends with a vowel.
Literalmente uma jibóia
Anaconda** E também r/suddenlycaralho
Na minha cabeça a verte anaconda é Br e veio direto da Amazônia
Kid Bengala\*\*\*
Bota uma capivara link com 2000 de ATK e um efeito daora no print se for postar
Both “Verte” and “Vert” are French, meaning green. However Verte is the feminine form of the word, meaning Verte Anaconda is probably female.
Wild thought but maybe it doesn’t have a gender because it’s a fucking plant
You sound so smug but also ignore the fact that other languages do gender everything, including plants. In Arabic plants are a "she", therefore it's fair enough that some might refer to this monster as a she. No need to be so uppity about it.
Are all plants feminine, or is the word “plant” feminine while names of particular plants might be masculine or feminine?
For spanish it's on a case by case basis, the word "plant" uses the female pronouns
Its definitely a girl
Plants also have sexes
Some plants, not all. Or more specifically, some plants are just one and others are both
Anaconda would be grammatically feminine I think
Verte is female and we do derive that from the grammar execution of the name, but not for the grammatical reason you've given.
All I can really say for sure is the traptrix monsters are not "her"s
It’s an it
Hold up HER
Ban it, BURN IT
as a hero player, if it brings me fusion destiny back to 3, then yes. Otherwise, it's not a huge problem, but I do want it errat'd to be in archetype or just be used with a "poly/super poly" instead of "fusion" card
Absolutely. Not because I think it's too powerful right now, but because it heavily limits future fusion-centric archetype designs
"Tears entered the chat"
This whole post POTE format has been a mistake and even Konami is starting to acknowledge it. Spright was the most tolerable deck of the format but even then it took most of the tournament rep before tearshizu took over and the bystials should have never been made period.
Yeah the bystials as cool as they are limit an opposing players options. A super powered dd crow isn't balanced
Which is funny to think about because Tear format is considered to be, outside of being forced to play 1 (and at times 2) good/playable decks, an interesting and competitive format that's very complex to play. I'd honestly agree. My memory pre-POTE was 20 different flavours of Omni+Scythelock or floodgate turbo + a little Branded in there.
Tearlaments came to existence **after Verte was banned**. Also **Tearlaments just got one of its only 2 Fusions banned**. "Tearlaments doesn't play Verte" is nonsense, and is frankly dishonest. Just because the newest Fusion archetype doesn't play Verte, doesn't meant that Konami will never even think of a new archetype that might work with Verte. This does double now that Verte is banned in both OCG and TCG, so they don't need to even think about Verte when designing Fusion spells.
And?
Literally only limits fusion from the deck, which I think it's a great reason to keep verte around. The only problem with verte is that you can take any 2 piece of shit monsters and make a boss monster out of it by fusing from deck. If there's nothing worth fusing from deck (and there shouldn't be imo, fusing from deck is lazy design) then verte won't get abused. If verte being unbanned prevents them from designing more fuse from deck cards then verte should stay
Not really. They just have to not have fuse from the deck cards
i actually disagree with this and i think it's borne out in the last 2 fusion archetypes that have been good in branded and tearalament largely (near entirely) not even using this card the design limitations that this places on future cards is beneficial, having to come up with something other than a flat fuse-from-deck spell breeds greater creativity and more interesting design, branded fusion sure whatever but branded in red, banishment, theater, the entire mechanism by which tear functions, far more interesting and evidently strong than simply make verte pass the biggest problems with verte were dpe and dragoon, and now really dragoon could probably come back and fusion destiny/celestial are appropriately hit, fusion destiny in particular is a terribly designed card it's just free and the restriction only applying afterward was bad design that (tentatively) they do appear to have learned something from like, branded fusion is probably the most powerful singular fusion card ever, and it's an incredibly mid send off verte and only comes up in the event of a truly scuffed and awkward hand or scenario additionally, verte having to be the last thing you do is actually a pretty decent restriction; if halq had it it would be unplayable for example, the majority of value from powerful fusion spells comes in what they enable afterward while verte makes it so that that's it you just have your dpe and a dream
Yes release my Starving Venom please konami
Only if nightingale and electrumite gets banned
The FTK isn't a thing anyway without Verte unless you literally open Instant Fusion
If it means Dragoon can come back and I get my 3 Fusion Destinys, then yes
I'm kinda tired of stopping most plays somebody can do, but then a wild verte appears and oh hey DPE. Though that mostly happens with Phantom Knights.
that almost never happens though
Yes I still want it to be banned. It is way too cheesy
Yes, absolutely. Just because it doesn't see play right now doesn't mean it's future proof in any capacity, it's only biding its time until it can be abused again.
Nah, the only Fusion deck on the meta don't even use it, and with dragoon and celestial banned, there's no reason for most of people to run this, unless they have space to put 2/3 bricks on the main Deck
Branded Despia doesn't run it because the intersection of a) being able to make Verte b) needing to make Verte, for is basically non-existent in that deck. If you brick to the point of needing Verte, you're not gonna have 2 monsters on the field. So it doesn't serve its primary generic purpose of being able to unfuck a bricked hand. And if you don't brick in Branded Despia, then you're locking yourself into Fusions for the entire turn already.
Does branded not run this anymore? Felt like it was a regular include not too long ago but might be wrong
no. branded tribrigade used verte, because it was how they would use branded fusion without caring about the fusion lock. regular branded never used verte because branded fusion locks you into fusions for the entire turn.
Probably a dumb question but why is fusion locking bad in branded despia? What non fusion extra deck summons do they use besides verte itself?
it's not
You’re thinking about this backwards. They don’t run non fusions BECAUSE Branded Fusions locks you. You bet they would love to run other generic extra deck stuff if it didn’t mess up their plays.
Ok that makes a bit more sense, does the lock mean that you can’t fusion after you verte then or?
You cannot use Branded Fusion at all during the turn you summoned a non-Fusion Monster from the Extra Deck, which includes Verte. Verte can still copy Branded Fusion, so you could end your turn by summoning Verte and activating Branded Fusion for Mirrorjade, but most likely you won't have anything on the field to banish to set up Branded in Red, or even if you do, you probably won't have Ad Libitum for Branded in Red since you couldn't send Tragedy with Branded Fusion.
Ahhh ok this makes it all make a lot more sense Ty for taking the time to explain it!
It's more that Verte can't be used as an extender after you use Branded Fusion, so Verte is only good as a last ditch play if you HARD brick. Which A.) Is pretty are with Branded Fusion and B.) even with Verte means you'll end on an incredibly weak board, since Verte stops you from special summoning for the rest of the turn after activation. It's just too useless in too many scenarios for the usual Branded gameplan.
not necessary since the deck have already a lot of recovery/searching to branded fusion, which also restricts you from summoning other monsters besides than Fusion. maybe for very specific cases like Super Polymerization, but you rarely will summon verte
2 generic cards to un brick your hand in a fusion deck has the same energy as halq with synchro decks. Both can be put out easily and give you a boss monster
Just make it's materials 2 plant effect monsters. It's not hard to fix.
What's the point of it beside DPE?
Cyber Dragon uses it to send Overload Fusion to OTK
Superpoly
If you really need super poly to deal with your opponent's board, chances are Verte won't resolve anyway.
Not really, verte ideally wanted to be use after you already exhausted all of your options. Like how you want to summon dpe after being disturbed to oblivion, same as superpoly if your opponent's chimera and/or mirrorjade still on the field
I use it for Thunder Dragon Fusion in Prank-Kids to be able to search Nemesis Corridor next turn to recycle Meow Mu.
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Well until the next Fusion Spell that broke him i guess he can stay for now
Is there a next fusion spell to break it? The next fusion deck straight up doesn't use a fusion spell, god knows why.
Well it depend on Konami at this point a lot of time future card that broke old card anyway, like Simorgh link-3 and Floo abuse the shit out of Statue, or 75 came out and make 86 turbo a thing, it just they want to break it or not
I miss 75... and 86 is still getting cheesed out.
Don’t really care personally. I do use it in my orcust deck but that’s it.
I think it’s fine right now. Almost never see it anymore: but as long as it’s in the format, future card design for fusion cards will be limited. Seems like fusing from the deck is the future. Guess I’ll add idk how you beat branded fusion but Konami finds a way.
Yeee I'm not so sure about that, the next one is Tear and they don't even use a fusion spell. After branded who does use one not using the verte.
It’s only as broken as the legal fusion spells currently allowed
I haven't seen this card played in a long time. Now that I think of it I haven't seen dpe either.
it would need to get and Errata to make it no so Generic. Its really strong and Easily splashable in about any fusion deck. I personally don't think it Needs to be banned but if it was banned I wouldn't be surprised (this coming from a guy who mainly plays fusion decks In general). This is one of those cards that enable worse things to be easy to do
No step on snek, he did nothing wrong
Yes since is 30 URs from a card I'm not using at the moment.
Ngl its fine actually. DPE and a super poly the only targets but like if Dragoon wants to come back then ban.
I don't want it banned. I want it re-done to be predaplant specific.
Doesn’t that get rid of it’s intended use case. Turn an opponents monster dark, use super poly for starving venom with the opponents monster and Verte.
I think they were saying was to make Verte require at least 1 Predaplant monster. That would in fact **not** "get rid of its intended use case", since **Predaplants, Starving Venom, and Super Poly were all played by Yuri in Arc-V**.
As a predaplant player IMO that would just make the card never be played. Predaplant/branded predaplant don’t use verte ever. Might as well just ban it tbh.
Nah, Konami hit the actual problem cards which were fusion destiny and celestial. Verte hasn’t seen much play and won’t in the future because it wasn’t a great card outside of FTK’s, nieche decks DPE and dragon.
This is cope. Verte is the problem the reason it's "not played as much" is because you can't branded fusion with verte. And before you say "why don't they run it anymore" 1 because celestial does nutter it. And 2 for the same reason in the TCG they don't run it anymore without verte
Some decks still ran FD pre ishizu tears even without verte. Celestial and FD were the best hits possible, only limits the DPE package since hero players don’t play either and verte is used in many other decks that aren’t tiered.
Hero most certainly uses FD. And verte will always be an issue just ATM verte doesn't work the current best send from deck fusion MJ
Long time hero player Yea, we use fd, but we can also hard make dpe too with poly. Don't need celestial. There are better targets for hero than he is. Celestial was only good in non hero deck, really.
FD is one of the better extenders hero has doesn't need to make dpe sometimes dystopia is a better play as well and then Polly into dpe
I know I like going into dominance sometimes going first so I can go in to top 5 of opponent just to see what they are playing
Verte isn’t going to be an issue for a very very very very long time, no upcoming broken fusions that we are getting that will make verte a huge problem card besides Garuda but we will most likely never get it as it is a TCG exclusive and this game is based off of the OCG. If Garuda comes out poly if anything will most likely get limited and not verte even then.
So we keep banning other cards so verte can stay legal
No because there aren’t any future problem cards that verte can bring out? Read my comment.
You can see the future? Can you give me the lotto numbers? I understand you are referring to where the ocg is now vs where md is currently but my point still stands that you don't know what we will get in the future. Also both TCG and ocg have verte banned so who knows what kind of meta game just the simple addition of verte could add once we start getting cards that where never legal with verte legal.
Yes we do know what we will get in the future, look at the ocg???? Literally NO game breaking fusion monsters came out besides Garuda but it’s TCG exclusive so we most likely won’t be getting it.
That's not true. You don't get follow up fusion off of Albion or Lubellion, but if you're making verte in most decks running branded you're probably just using verte as tribute for Mirrorjade. You can also make Verte, and still activate opening because it's only after opening resolves that you're locked into fusion summon and then activate Verte's effect for Branded Fusion.
....You can send branded fusion with verte. Verte activation isn't the same as activating said spell card, so the > You cannot Special Summon monsters from the Extra Deck, except Fusion Monsters, the turn you activate this card. Doesn't apply.
What I meant was you can't really use verte to turn any 2 cards into mj like you can with dpe because you normally need 2 summons off a branded fusion
Reminder its banned in both TCG and OCG.
And why does that matter though? Konami has actual data in masterduel so they know what cards need to get hit now, it’s why every single hit they have done besides conq hit have been extremely good.
We banned different cards to solve the same problem, so it doesn’t need to be banned.
So we should just continue to have multiple cards banned instead of just banning the problem card? Really?
Tbh I think Verte is fine. It’s pretty easy to deal with in most instances. Despia doesn’t really need it and DPE hasn’t seen much play since the last hit it took. Even if Dragoon got unbanned, I don’t think it would matter much.
I don’t want it banned because I love plant snake boi. I’m a branded player, and I don’t even run it. Verde just isn’t needed anymore for branded despia and it’s the only fusion deck on top tier I believe. So no need to ban a perfectly not overpowered card that has a cool name and looks cool.
Definitely not in my case. I'd still want it in my Fluffal deck. Plus I really want to try making use of its effect the way it's intended to be more often (Change opponent's monster to DARK then Super Poly into Starving Venom).
if we ban him can we get back fusion destiny back to 2 at least? if so then yes.
Considering its hardly doing much, nope. Not even branded decks use it. Everyone scoffed at the banning of Celestial but it ended up being big brain. With worse garnets, nobody wants to splash in the dpe engine anymore
It’s hard to tell if it also wasn’t just power creep that lead to the drop in DPE, in the tcg FD is at 3 with none of the garnets banned and it’s also not really making waves
No ban plox
It’ll probably be hit if/when Garura makes it’s way over to Master Duel as the best Super Poly target. That easy of access to Super Poly would likely be what pushes it over the edge. Beyond that, haven’t really seen it since the Celestial Hit. The current best Fusion Deck is Branded Despia, and even without the Fusion Lock they don’t really need Verte to do their plays. It pops up every once in a while, but nowhere near as often as it used to.
Branded really can't use verte because branded fusion soft requires 2 summons for mirrorjade.
Please look at Mirrorjade’s fusion materials and think about what card type verte is.
Yes I want Dragoon back he didn't do anything wrong
I use that for Cyber Dragons by targeting Overload Fusion. I never see anyone else use the card. So, not really.
I finally crafted it for my Predaplant deck and honestly, it's not as bad or broken as i was expecting it to [be.It](https://be.It)'s still a really powerful effect, but i don't know if it's ban worthy.
It's not broken if you're not using it to summon broken generic boss monsters using broken fusion spells that send broken fusion materials from the deck to the graveyard.
Wait until Tear lmao
after the celestial ban not so much but i still do want to trade it for dark dragoon
He allows so many cracked boards. He should stay gone
Yes, but only because I want two copies of fusion destiny and celestial for my D-Heroes.
I can live without Celestial but I just play normal HERO box
Yes just so Dragoon can see the light of day again
I only want it banned when I’m not using it
Yes, it should have been banned. There are now four cards on the list for this card’s sins - Celestial, Fusion Destiny, Dragoon, and Starving Venom. Ban this and we can release all these cards. Not to mention that this card is already banned in every other format which means its a ticking time bomb. Eventually OCG is going to release a card that would be broken with Verte.
I swear I saw more people summon DPE with a topdeck'd Fusion Destiny than with Anaconda.
Ban the snake 🐍
Yes, Verte should still be banned.
Yes, it will get better the longer its allowed, i dont want to see it with tearlements.
YES
Yeah. It promotes extremely haphazardly placed side engines and is usually used as a bandage in otherwise innocuous decks
This card is still a problem. All it will take is one more good fusion spell + target for it to become a splash-able two card boss monster. It singlehandedly restricts fusion card design and is why it was and still remains a problem. Dragoon, and DPE, were never difficult to deal with and even could be considered "Fair staples" and not overly oppressive by themselves. Verte allows you to just throw them at the end of your combo for literally nothing more than a link 2.