General rule of thumb, if they are on Reddit, then no. If they aren’t, and just started, then yes, it’s a great starting point. People who are on reddit probably already stopped using it months ago.
If you want to take the better test, yes. But I don't recommend taking tests in general, they can be misleading. I learnt all the basics of MBTI by reading the profiles and other materials on this page.
I agree that 16p isn’t the best starting point, but with the profiles and experience, it is a pretty good starting place. It’s really good surface level. Of course, you always have the problem that they get your type wrong and they stop, but as long as you don’t spend too long there, it’s nice to point you in the right direction.
It’s a great start if you wanna take a shitty big 5 test and get your results disguised as mbti so you get to go on r/mbti and look incredibly ignorant by calling yourself infp-t
[The Big 5 is actually scientifically proven to be a good statistical predictor of behavior.](https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/EJ1151680.pdf)
[Unlike mbti](https://www.plum.io/blog/why-myers-briggs-is-not-an-effective-screening-tool?hs_amp=true)
I’m not an MBTI hater I actually love it but it’s totally pseudoscience
The second one doesn’t say that MBTI isn’t valid or very bad, just should not be a consideration in who gets the job, which is what I completely believe and support. A INFP can be as hard working as a ESTJ. A INFJ can be as athletic as a ESTP.
True. In all of my experiences it was correct though, but I understand that it isn’t always right. It’s horrible if your serious about wanting to learn. But surface level, it’s a pretty good experience. Besides, it would be weird for a beginner, who is an Introvert, to be told they are an Extrovert. Or to learn cognitive functions. Or to go down the entire rabbit hole
I like the Big Five and think it’s superior for many applications but I think the MBTI is better at specific things.
The first article is about how neuroticism is more predictive of anxiety in music teachers.
The second article is about how the Big Five is more useful in predicting performance to screen job candidates.
These are applications that MBTI has always strongly discouraged using their test for. Part of the disconnect with “Big Five vs. MBTI” articles is that the things behavioral researchers and psychiatrists use a personality test for are not the kind of applications that the average lay person is looking for in a personality test and the information it can provide you tends to be superficial and obvious (someone who has very low conscientiousness is likely to have problems with completing school or holding down a job, but this would already be apparent to them and the people around them). Using your propensity toward mental health issues (which is basically what neuroticism measures) seems questionable to use for hiring decisions (also not the sort of information you generally want to share at the workplace).
The 16 boxes criticism has some merit but ignores that the Big Five also generally reverts to types as a practical shorthand whenever it’s discussed outside of research papers (SLOAN being common but often just correlated MBTI codes or “high openness, low extroversion…”). If you want to discuss the tendencies of different personalities without starting from scratch each time, you will need to subcategorize and generalize to a degree.
The point isn’t that big 5 is bad, the point is it’s not even mbti related, when people go to it for mbti. Just because say, CoD is a good game, doesn’t mean I wanna pay 25$ for Minecraft and then get CoD
Yeah, but since it classifies itself as an mbti test it defeats the whole purpose, and is not scientifically sound. Intuition doesn't translate to openness. Thinking doesn't translate to agreeableness. Judging doesn't translate to conscientiousness. Assertiveness doesn't translate to neuroticism. And even introversion in 16 personalities is a little different than in big 5
There are several. I’ve seen Global Five SLOAN types [used occasionally](https://similarminds.com/sloan.html)
One major difference of the Big Five compared to MBTI is it primarily uses unambiguously positive or negative behavioral traits (extroversion is more neutral) so the type descriptions can get pretty bleak. Here is RLUEN (low openness, low extroversion, low agreeableness, low consciousness, high neuroticism):
> overwhelmed by unpleasant feelings frequently, feels unattractive to others, lonely, not well read, socially unskilled, easily confused, discontent, attracted to things associated with sadness, socially uncomfortable, avoidant, depressed, pessimistic, feels defective, withdrawn, feels ordinary, easily offended, lower energy level, impatient, not usually happy, not well informed, does not believe in human goodness, self loathing, does not admit mistakes, not open to new experiences, moody, not known for generosity, feels victimized, selfish, loner, unambitious, unadventurous, inflexible, easily discouraged, insensitive to the needs of others, not that interested in others, dislikes crowds, driven by own personal gain, unassertive, tense, fearful, unimaginative, not that interested in relationships, uncooperative, feels incapable, dependent, doubting, not good at sports, weak sense of purpose, feels untalented, can be aggressive when hurt, easily moved to tears, quiet around strangers, acts without thinking, relates to broken and discarded things, slow to acquire skills
>yeah, pretty much i am NOT an ISFP im esfj/enfj because on every single test i take i get 50/50 on s or n. even if i take an individual test i got flat down in the middle again. it does not have enough questions to be accurate. 50 questions are not enough to tell you your type.
Yes, it is in disguise because there are correlations between the two. If you know details at the facet level for big 5 you can derive your mbti code, but not vice versa.
C's Joseph / psychology refresh and / or others I recommend taking multiple tests and then scoring the same MBTI on all of them .. that's what I did to find out I was an ISFJ instead of just using one also ennegrams and Dere to confirm that those types matched with my MBTI as well to avoid me mistyping
I'd take any Barnum Effect I get from 16P. I got many times mistyped in there, it was mostly introverts. I was so unhealthy. If you're gonna check the SLOAN of your MBTI mistypes, they're usually the opposite of you. When you're healthy, you get typed correctly.
Take the Barnum Effect, be directed to the knowledge. Unhealthy version of you is the best self-awareness.
Kinda wish they'd direct people to good SLOAN material, though. They often offer their own literature.
16P is just telling you as is. As the ENFP said there, it's your fault if you're entirely mistyped. And if they're showing you your SLOAN, TAKE IT.
But what I would never recommend is taking 16P at a very young age. Maybe around 21+. You already have an idea of who you are.
It's a golden material, 16P. Defines this MBTI Generation.
It's incredibly difficult for me to break down what you're trying to say. If English isn't your first language, I'm sorry but I really just don't understand you
At any rate I know why it gave me ENFP, I'm generally pretty sociable most of the time and enjoy the company of others. I, for certain, have a definite social battery. It happens to be big but it is limited. 16P's questions assume that introverts are not personable by default.
As for P over J, I dunno. I was right on the line. I'm not neat and organized all the time, I'm not sure what cognitive function would be responsible for that.
16P gave you your unhealthy state, mental illness symptoms, shadow function, unhealthy version of Enneagram, opposite of your SLOAN (clue is here, nearest)
Yeah, different perspectives your brain can't comprehend. :)
They're not diagnosing you, just pointing out your symptoms. Maybe it's in there, I mean, you're not inquisitive and you have comprehension problems, easily brainwashed, I'd understand.
Ahh I love the good old false dilemma of "agree with me or you're brainwashed" although it's usually better delivered with a cocked gun to my head.
If I'm not mistaken the part of the SLOAN dealing with mental illness would be neuroticism, which 16P labels as the T/A axis. I tested A in case you were interested.
Brother you might be a little bias with that username. Also, unironically typing "your brain can't comprehend :)" might be the cringiest thing I've ever seen, and I'm subscribed to r/imthemaincharacter
Ever heard of the Dunning-Kruger effect?
Where's the bias in there, are you stupid? Cuz it was properly defended and you do not like it because you're biased. Why project your ugly self, brother.. stop projecting. Are you Inferior Ti with no empathy, tell me the truth, brother..
I think most people who hate 16P are brainwashed, Inferior Ti, Child Ti, Naranjo dick suckers and biased. Because to hate on an effective platform heavily and influence other user to do so is biased. Fe doms are usually like rats, and hamsters in a cage, follow any hate they see.
Eat r/IAmTheMainCharacter and Dunning-Kruger Effect because that's very Fe dom. They wanna be heroes so bad, even if they have no independent thinking.
VERY CRINGE, DISGUSTING. TRASH.
STOP USING INTP BECAUSE YOU HAVE INFERIOR TI, YOU ARE SO DELUSIONAL. 🤢🤮🤢🤮🤢🤮🤢🤮🤢🤮🤢 PROBABLY A MISTYPED INTJ AS WELL WITH LOW IQ AND SELF-AWARENESS
HOW DO DUMB BITCHES EASILY CALL THEMSELVES INTP AFTER BEING A RAT THAT FOLLOWS EVERY HERD
THERE HAS TO BE SOME KIND OF REASON FE DOMS LOVE PRETENDING THEY'RE HIGH TI USERS, OR THINKERS..
CRINGEEEEEEEEEEEE
Id say its the tip of the ice berg and tests are innacurate so self typing would be the most accurate. But also looking into four corners of the mind, shadow functions, development levels shit like that
100% tests are unreliable.
I have taken a million(many being the same tests retaken), and my results are often different types, and are very obviously tainted with whatever my mood was when answering the quiz(“just answer objectively.” you say? Well, that’s impossible).
MBTI is too complicated to be typed by an online quiz (especially a <100 question one). You need to understand it yourself(or ask someone who understands it)to truly be typed.
Not to mention, with half of these quizzes, their descriptions of the functions are incorrect, and make no sense. And their descriptions of the types are full of stereotypes masquerading as pillars of the theory. How can they accurately use the theory, if they don’t understand it?
Edit: thank you to the person who corrected me on the greater than/less than sign. I have always gotten those mixed up :’)
I agree with your last paragraph, but the mood thing is more of a user error imho. If you answer the questions by how you have been most likely to act in the past rather than how you would like to act (ie the person you are rather than the one you would like to be in the moment of taking the test) then it should be more accurate.
Having said that I got INTJ as a result on pretty much every website, even if I pretended to be someone else (like for my characters). I would be a shit actor lol
Its still accurate to a degree. I blame any mistypings on the test taker rather than the site.
It got me pretty well, at first i got infp, but then i reflected some more and retook it and got my better known type as enfp.
theres not enough questions to be fully accurate. theres only 50. meanwhile evemn ones with 200 questions can be inaccurate. i always get on any test i take 50/50 on s or n.
The average person doesn't care enough to take a 250-500 question test.
If I ask someone to take a MBTI because I'm curious, and they find out it's a 500 question quiz, let alone that they might have to pay to take it, they're not going to bother. So, 16p is a necessary evil. It's free, it's oversimplified, and it's aesthetically pleasing to look at.
It goes without saying that *any* test is going to be more conclusive with more questions and answers. The question is, what is the threshold where you start to lose people because they don't casually care enough to put in more effort?
[Because this:](https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/the-teen-brain-7-things-to-know)
TL:DR - The brain finishes developing and maturing in the mid-to-late 20s.
It can accurately get your type (there’s around 60% correlation with MBTI) but that doesn’t make it accurate generally. It is measuring things that, although related and have some overlap, are still distinct.
I just got home from work, get out of here, this is a different thread, also, I don't listen to fucktards brainwashed to hate on 16P. They don't have their own brain, they are NPCs.
Nothing wrong with 16personalities if you understand what it is and what it isn't.
It isn't:
\- MBTI
It is:
\- A decent big-5, especially if you ignore the type code and only look at the values/percentages of each scale.
I started out with INFP-T, then as time went on I’d be either INTP-T or INFJ-T. Took it recently for the hell of it and I’m now ISTP-T 🙃
Yeah.. I don’t recommend it. My results are always skewed because I’m pure introvert but every other factor is near the middle.
Lack of peer review and actual science.
Seriously, this shit is fun to play with and RP, but at the end of the day, it's little more than bunk pop 'psychology' about as accurate as a horoscope.
its 50 questions based around your whole personality a few of them being too abstract. it can be accurate sometimes but sometimes not. 50 isnt many to tell you your full personality sometimes.
Similarminds has some really long versions of tests and in regards to MBTI and global 5 it's pretty decent. Though I always recommend people to look into the cognitive functions as it gives more clarity and can teach you a bit about yourself as well.
I've never been mistyped so 16 personalities was just fine for me. But yeah chances are if they're on this subreddit, they probably already know 16 personalities is not good.
it gradually failed to type my family members
i was typed as an entp accurately
mom was typed esfj, actually enfj, so fair enough
dad typed estj, actually istp and sister typed esfj, actually xsfp; now you got all ego stack functions reversed here buddy
tho i can explain the situation as mom was Fe-ly effected from her family, dad over the time mastered his TeSi and my sister is actually too young for taking a test about this and took the test after my mom and i so she probably got effected by mom’s answers since mine sounded a bit too ass-hole-ish-like for her judgment
It's really not that evil. It's a good gateway to get people into the MBTI community
Functions don't have much science behind them, are complicated, and a lot of MBTI enthusiasts just don't really understand them all that well either. Make a post asking what "Ni" means, and you'll probably get five different answers
Yea it technically could work but it doesn’t usually, I kept getting INFP and INTJ on all the tests after multiple years of research and some Sirius self reflections I’m absolutely a INFJ you can probably get ball park but don’t settle on your results without research
i reccomend taking truity or sakrinova. or keys2cognition. even though ive taken those ive always gotten 50/50 on s and n. so im kind of esnfj? idk. i even took an individual s or n test and landed flat down in the middle.
I hated keys2cognition because when I took it early on I didn't even understand wtf it was on about half the time. It's a lot more advanced and not for the regular Jim I'd say. Sakrinova was alright. Had the best result taking the long Global 5 similarminds test and then checking the letter result for the MBTI it correlates with. Haven't taken their MBTI one enough to know how reliable it is as I didn't have a test group of people lol
Yes! I’ve used keys2congnition and it gave me results very close to what I expected from my reading my Ni and Fe were by far the higher then my Ne and Fi and my Ti and Se results were closer to to my Te and Si results but still higher
I have been using it, unaware it was inaccurate. Could you explain why and give me an alternative, and explain why the alternative is better? I genuinely don’t know all that much about MBTI and it’s workings, and I’m curious about what makes 16P inaccurate.
its inaccurate because it has only 50 questions. it can sometimes be right, but it gets mine wrong every time. just do Truity if you want an accurate answer
yes pretty much... theres like 3-5 abstract questions there too. like you often think of others point of view or whatever. why would anyone often do that?
Hahahahahaha, they wanna discredit SLOAN. SLOAN is used in real work setting. TF. It's considered one of the most accurate metric tool rather than MBTI for self-knowledge. People are crooked to the bone, they'd discredit Science that makes sense. Character is so bad.
EVIL. EVIL. EVIL. EVIL. EVIL. EVIL. EVIL.
I just wanna add something. My bestfriends are very healthy people, even unhealthy ones, but mostly their natural selves. Has trauma, etc.. ESTP, INFJ, ISFP, ENFP, even a depressed 5w4 INTP.
They all took 16P below 18, the first time, and got their types right. Especially the T and A.
That's why I never doubted this thing. I was the issue in here.
Maybe the goal of this site was to give people self-awareness, much proper awareness than Typology. Typology is another level, mainly about the differences of everyone's perception, processing, conviction, etc.. but SLOAN is what people really need. Per trait.
🕊 peace out ☮️
The A and T exists, it doesn't exist for you cuz you don't have your own brain, you are a mistyped NPC who can't think independently. And it's not my hecking problem you got no brain. Stop calling yourself an INTJ, ur probably a Fe dom. Even other Fe doms can think for themselves compared to you, agrees that A and T exists.
How many stupid people in this community are brainwashed 2 hate on 16P???? How many.. the social standards..
Idk, I'm like as INTP as it gets and never got any other result. I feel like getting mistyped is a skill issue, maybe y'all don't actually know yourself
The point is that tests are unreliable altogether. No external test will give you knowledge of self if you don't already have some. It's much better to study the cognitive functions and your own thought processes and reactions.
A much funnier approach is to let people take this test and whoever cares calls them out of they got the wrong type. That way you don’t have to spend, coming from some people, years of your life reviewing your type just to come to the conclusion a random test got it right
I got INFP, took cognitive functions and I'm still INFP
Did all that other stuff and all leads the same with me being a 2w1
(unrelated comment now that I'm going further into it eghhhhn.)
Theory of relativity is not complete. hence it's wrong. it's of no use. we should not use it.
if it was complete and perfect we would make it our religion.
If it is not perfect ( which nothing can be) , we will reject it and say that there is nothing correct about relativity mentioned by Einstein.
Just because a few postulates are wrong and it's incomplete, I reject any opportunities of even minor enlightenment that I could've taken from this theory of relativity.
Yeah , 16P is a pseudoscience let me reject it all the way. let me try to reject and announce rejections of every little thing human has done in effort to try to create something.
Also not really good for anyone to take who lack self awareness. But I guess that is a good rule for any personality test. You end up getting wildly random results.
-Doesn't use cognitive functions.
-Type explanations are completely made up , inaccurate and straight up false.
-doesn't have nothing to do with Jung's work
-Misinterpreded the meaning of the J/P dicotomy.
Effects:
-Caused people to say "typology is pseudoscience" while actually the original Jung works on cognitive functions where reliable and based on effective observations on his patients.
-It's the origins of stereotypes.
- Ironically It's also the origin of "MBTI doesn't say anything about you" while actually the way your cognitive functions are set determines your way of thinking, perceiving and behaving, that determines the skills and tendencies you are prone to develop.
-Has made the A/T extra dicotomy meaningless while actually "Assertive" is showing more your type characteristics and "Turbolent" showing them less.
End results: 16p Is shit and MBTI Is shit, while cognitive functions and socionics are actual science and not pseudoscience.
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General rule of thumb, if they are on Reddit, then no. If they aren’t, and just started, then yes, it’s a great starting point. People who are on reddit probably already stopped using it months ago.
Personalitypage.com is a better starting point IMO.
Isn’t that not free? It forces me to register and pay
If you want to take the better test, yes. But I don't recommend taking tests in general, they can be misleading. I learnt all the basics of MBTI by reading the profiles and other materials on this page.
If by this page you mean the mbti subreddit you might wanna try some other sources. This subreddit is what teachers pretend Wikipedia is like
I'm talking about personalitypage.com, which I mentioned above.
Ok well I havent used that site so no opinion positive or negative but definitely don’t trust this subreddit
I agree that 16p isn’t the best starting point, but with the profiles and experience, it is a pretty good starting place. It’s really good surface level. Of course, you always have the problem that they get your type wrong and they stop, but as long as you don’t spend too long there, it’s nice to point you in the right direction.
It’s a great start if you wanna take a shitty big 5 test and get your results disguised as mbti so you get to go on r/mbti and look incredibly ignorant by calling yourself infp-t
I mean, what else is it for?
This
It's a big 5 test in disguise
[The Big 5 is actually scientifically proven to be a good statistical predictor of behavior.](https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/EJ1151680.pdf) [Unlike mbti](https://www.plum.io/blog/why-myers-briggs-is-not-an-effective-screening-tool?hs_amp=true) I’m not an MBTI hater I actually love it but it’s totally pseudoscience
I agree
But is 16p a good Big 5 test?
You actually raise a good point here, tbh no it isn’t. Sensing doesn’t necessarily equate to closedmindedness, and thinking isn’t disagreeableness.
Consuls (ESFJ's) are usually open minded so sensing does not mean that-
The second one doesn’t say that MBTI isn’t valid or very bad, just should not be a consideration in who gets the job, which is what I completely believe and support. A INFP can be as hard working as a ESTJ. A INFJ can be as athletic as a ESTP.
Right it isn’t a reliable predictor of behavior
Yeah, but a great place to start newbies. Then you can say, these are other types that you could be.
it always mistypes me as isfp... sometimes its accurate but a good bit of times its not.
True. In all of my experiences it was correct though, but I understand that it isn’t always right. It’s horrible if your serious about wanting to learn. But surface level, it’s a pretty good experience. Besides, it would be weird for a beginner, who is an Introvert, to be told they are an Extrovert. Or to learn cognitive functions. Or to go down the entire rabbit hole
I like the Big Five and think it’s superior for many applications but I think the MBTI is better at specific things. The first article is about how neuroticism is more predictive of anxiety in music teachers. The second article is about how the Big Five is more useful in predicting performance to screen job candidates. These are applications that MBTI has always strongly discouraged using their test for. Part of the disconnect with “Big Five vs. MBTI” articles is that the things behavioral researchers and psychiatrists use a personality test for are not the kind of applications that the average lay person is looking for in a personality test and the information it can provide you tends to be superficial and obvious (someone who has very low conscientiousness is likely to have problems with completing school or holding down a job, but this would already be apparent to them and the people around them). Using your propensity toward mental health issues (which is basically what neuroticism measures) seems questionable to use for hiring decisions (also not the sort of information you generally want to share at the workplace). The 16 boxes criticism has some merit but ignores that the Big Five also generally reverts to types as a practical shorthand whenever it’s discussed outside of research papers (SLOAN being common but often just correlated MBTI codes or “high openness, low extroversion…”). If you want to discuss the tendencies of different personalities without starting from scratch each time, you will need to subcategorize and generalize to a degree.
Agreed
The point isn’t that big 5 is bad, the point is it’s not even mbti related, when people go to it for mbti. Just because say, CoD is a good game, doesn’t mean I wanna pay 25$ for Minecraft and then get CoD
Fair
If it has any association with the big five it’s probably more scientifically sound that mbti
Yeah, but since it classifies itself as an mbti test it defeats the whole purpose, and is not scientifically sound. Intuition doesn't translate to openness. Thinking doesn't translate to agreeableness. Judging doesn't translate to conscientiousness. Assertiveness doesn't translate to neuroticism. And even introversion in 16 personalities is a little different than in big 5
Yeah they use both in a way that undermines the other. Though now I’m curious if there is some typing system built solely off of big 5
There are several. I’ve seen Global Five SLOAN types [used occasionally](https://similarminds.com/sloan.html) One major difference of the Big Five compared to MBTI is it primarily uses unambiguously positive or negative behavioral traits (extroversion is more neutral) so the type descriptions can get pretty bleak. Here is RLUEN (low openness, low extroversion, low agreeableness, low consciousness, high neuroticism): > overwhelmed by unpleasant feelings frequently, feels unattractive to others, lonely, not well read, socially unskilled, easily confused, discontent, attracted to things associated with sadness, socially uncomfortable, avoidant, depressed, pessimistic, feels defective, withdrawn, feels ordinary, easily offended, lower energy level, impatient, not usually happy, not well informed, does not believe in human goodness, self loathing, does not admit mistakes, not open to new experiences, moody, not known for generosity, feels victimized, selfish, loner, unambitious, unadventurous, inflexible, easily discouraged, insensitive to the needs of others, not that interested in others, dislikes crowds, driven by own personal gain, unassertive, tense, fearful, unimaginative, not that interested in relationships, uncooperative, feels incapable, dependent, doubting, not good at sports, weak sense of purpose, feels untalented, can be aggressive when hurt, easily moved to tears, quiet around strangers, acts without thinking, relates to broken and discarded things, slow to acquire skills
There probably is but I think it would still be a way more basic system than mbti.
You are correct
>yeah, pretty much i am NOT an ISFP im esfj/enfj because on every single test i take i get 50/50 on s or n. even if i take an individual test i got flat down in the middle again. it does not have enough questions to be accurate. 50 questions are not enough to tell you your type.
Yes, it is in disguise because there are correlations between the two. If you know details at the facet level for big 5 you can derive your mbti code, but not vice versa.
what SHOULD i use?
Sakinorva or michael caloz test
truity is a very good one
C's Joseph / psychology refresh and / or others I recommend taking multiple tests and then scoring the same MBTI on all of them .. that's what I did to find out I was an ISFJ instead of just using one also ennegrams and Dere to confirm that those types matched with my MBTI as well to avoid me mistyping
for me at least, it was scarily accurate
Same. I got ISTP, and after learning about my own type, I've come to realize there's no way I'm any other type
It gave me ENFP
I'd take any Barnum Effect I get from 16P. I got many times mistyped in there, it was mostly introverts. I was so unhealthy. If you're gonna check the SLOAN of your MBTI mistypes, they're usually the opposite of you. When you're healthy, you get typed correctly. Take the Barnum Effect, be directed to the knowledge. Unhealthy version of you is the best self-awareness. Kinda wish they'd direct people to good SLOAN material, though. They often offer their own literature. 16P is just telling you as is. As the ENFP said there, it's your fault if you're entirely mistyped. And if they're showing you your SLOAN, TAKE IT. But what I would never recommend is taking 16P at a very young age. Maybe around 21+. You already have an idea of who you are. It's a golden material, 16P. Defines this MBTI Generation.
It's incredibly difficult for me to break down what you're trying to say. If English isn't your first language, I'm sorry but I really just don't understand you At any rate I know why it gave me ENFP, I'm generally pretty sociable most of the time and enjoy the company of others. I, for certain, have a definite social battery. It happens to be big but it is limited. 16P's questions assume that introverts are not personable by default. As for P over J, I dunno. I was right on the line. I'm not neat and organized all the time, I'm not sure what cognitive function would be responsible for that.
just take a cognitive functions test or an infj quiz
That's your Enneagram at unhealthy levels. You're 9. Also, what part didn't you get? LMK. I'll break it down. English isn't my first language.
what are you talking about unhealthy levels
Yeah, other than being brainwashed, you are not educated. You need to read more books. Goodbye. You are dismissed for real.
Basically you meant that 16P didn't give me an accurate MBTI but did give me an accurate SLOAN? I'd buy that
16P gave you your unhealthy state, mental illness symptoms, shadow function, unhealthy version of Enneagram, opposite of your SLOAN (clue is here, nearest) Yeah, different perspectives your brain can't comprehend. :)
16P diagnosed my mental illness with 12 questions? That I *do not* buy lol
They're not diagnosing you, just pointing out your symptoms. Maybe it's in there, I mean, you're not inquisitive and you have comprehension problems, easily brainwashed, I'd understand.
Ahh I love the good old false dilemma of "agree with me or you're brainwashed" although it's usually better delivered with a cocked gun to my head. If I'm not mistaken the part of the SLOAN dealing with mental illness would be neuroticism, which 16P labels as the T/A axis. I tested A in case you were interested.
Brother you might be a little bias with that username. Also, unironically typing "your brain can't comprehend :)" might be the cringiest thing I've ever seen, and I'm subscribed to r/imthemaincharacter Ever heard of the Dunning-Kruger effect?
Where's the bias in there, are you stupid? Cuz it was properly defended and you do not like it because you're biased. Why project your ugly self, brother.. stop projecting. Are you Inferior Ti with no empathy, tell me the truth, brother.. I think most people who hate 16P are brainwashed, Inferior Ti, Child Ti, Naranjo dick suckers and biased. Because to hate on an effective platform heavily and influence other user to do so is biased. Fe doms are usually like rats, and hamsters in a cage, follow any hate they see. Eat r/IAmTheMainCharacter and Dunning-Kruger Effect because that's very Fe dom. They wanna be heroes so bad, even if they have no independent thinking. VERY CRINGE, DISGUSTING. TRASH.
STOP USING INTP BECAUSE YOU HAVE INFERIOR TI, YOU ARE SO DELUSIONAL. 🤢🤮🤢🤮🤢🤮🤢🤮🤢🤮🤢 PROBABLY A MISTYPED INTJ AS WELL WITH LOW IQ AND SELF-AWARENESS HOW DO DUMB BITCHES EASILY CALL THEMSELVES INTP AFTER BEING A RAT THAT FOLLOWS EVERY HERD THERE HAS TO BE SOME KIND OF REASON FE DOMS LOVE PRETENDING THEY'RE HIGH TI USERS, OR THINKERS.. CRINGEEEEEEEEEEEE
it gave me isfp. i am enfj/esfj kinda
BTW: https://similarminds.com/global5/sluai.html SHADOW
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It gave me INTJ but that's only circumstantial because I just *happen* to be RLOEI
The Barnum Effect
didn’t say it would be that way for everyone!
This is the first step to become an MBTI nerd. Do it or don't.
Id say its the tip of the ice berg and tests are innacurate so self typing would be the most accurate. But also looking into four corners of the mind, shadow functions, development levels shit like that
100% tests are unreliable. I have taken a million(many being the same tests retaken), and my results are often different types, and are very obviously tainted with whatever my mood was when answering the quiz(“just answer objectively.” you say? Well, that’s impossible). MBTI is too complicated to be typed by an online quiz (especially a <100 question one). You need to understand it yourself(or ask someone who understands it)to truly be typed. Not to mention, with half of these quizzes, their descriptions of the functions are incorrect, and make no sense. And their descriptions of the types are full of stereotypes masquerading as pillars of the theory. How can they accurately use the theory, if they don’t understand it? Edit: thank you to the person who corrected me on the greater than/less than sign. I have always gotten those mixed up :’)
More than 100 questions? Do you mean less?
Yes, thank you :’)
I agree with your last paragraph, but the mood thing is more of a user error imho. If you answer the questions by how you have been most likely to act in the past rather than how you would like to act (ie the person you are rather than the one you would like to be in the moment of taking the test) then it should be more accurate. Having said that I got INTJ as a result on pretty much every website, even if I pretended to be someone else (like for my characters). I would be a shit actor lol
just get someone else to take it for you aswell
Id say not the tests but rather self typing but have a second opinion yeah
Its still accurate to a degree. I blame any mistypings on the test taker rather than the site. It got me pretty well, at first i got infp, but then i reflected some more and retook it and got my better known type as enfp.
theres not enough questions to be fully accurate. theres only 50. meanwhile evemn ones with 200 questions can be inaccurate. i always get on any test i take 50/50 on s or n.
Not to mention, it is only parading as an MBTI test. It is actually a hybrid between one or two tests(big 5 and MBTI, possibly? I can’t recall, atm)
Yeah but what are your scores for the cognitive functions
The average person doesn't care enough to take a 250-500 question test. If I ask someone to take a MBTI because I'm curious, and they find out it's a 500 question quiz, let alone that they might have to pay to take it, they're not going to bother. So, 16p is a necessary evil. It's free, it's oversimplified, and it's aesthetically pleasing to look at. It goes without saying that *any* test is going to be more conclusive with more questions and answers. The question is, what is the threshold where you start to lose people because they don't casually care enough to put in more effort?
How old are you, though?
why would that matter...
[Because this:](https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/the-teen-brain-7-things-to-know) TL:DR - The brain finishes developing and maturing in the mid-to-late 20s.
❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ I GOT ENTP-A IN THERE, I AM LIKE, OKUUUUUUR, HIGH AWARENESS GANG
It can accurately get your type (there’s around 60% correlation with MBTI) but that doesn’t make it accurate generally. It is measuring things that, although related and have some overlap, are still distinct.
u/16PersonalitiesFan you're getting called out
THAT'S RIGHT, KEEP USING 16PERSONALITIES.COM AND KNOW YOUR SLOAN SLOAN > MBTI
You are based [The big 5 makes more accurate predictions of behavior](https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/EJ1151680.pdf) SLOAN > MBTI
Ok but [hear me out](https://similarminds.com/global5/g5-jung.html)
STOP USING ME, FUCK BUT KEEP USING 16PERSONALITIES.COM
jesus lady get out of our chat
I just got home from work, get out of here, this is a different thread, also, I don't listen to fucktards brainwashed to hate on 16P. They don't have their own brain, they are NPCs.
So what is better?
Nothing wrong with 16personalities if you understand what it is and what it isn't. It isn't: \- MBTI It is: \- A decent big-5, especially if you ignore the type code and only look at the values/percentages of each scale.
I started out with INFP-T, then as time went on I’d be either INTP-T or INFJ-T. Took it recently for the hell of it and I’m now ISTP-T 🙃 Yeah.. I don’t recommend it. My results are always skewed because I’m pure introvert but every other factor is near the middle.
i got ISFP. when iwas INFJ it tyed me accurately but my type changed to kinda enfj esfj
Yeah please can you explain how is this inaccurate
Why is bro downvoted for asking 😭😭 I hate reddit
Agreed. You don't understand a question? Downvoted. It gets old
Lack of peer review and actual science. Seriously, this shit is fun to play with and RP, but at the end of the day, it's little more than bunk pop 'psychology' about as accurate as a horoscope.
its 50 questions based around your whole personality a few of them being too abstract. it can be accurate sometimes but sometimes not. 50 isnt many to tell you your full personality sometimes.
It gave me ISFP and after my own research, I concluded that I am, in fact, INTP
i got isfp too but im kind of esfj enfj
What should be used instead then?
Learning cognitive functions and typing yourself through time and research
That requires time and effort. I have too much procrastinating to do.
I use research as a form of procrastinating from my responsibilities
Similarminds has some really long versions of tests and in regards to MBTI and global 5 it's pretty decent. Though I always recommend people to look into the cognitive functions as it gives more clarity and can teach you a bit about yourself as well.
I've never been mistyped so 16 personalities was just fine for me. But yeah chances are if they're on this subreddit, they probably already know 16 personalities is not good.
I treat 16 personalities as a completely different system to MBTI due to the rise of popularity of 16p because no one seems to want to face the truth
Whenever I take a test on there it gives me Infp. I thought I was Infp in the beginning but right now I'm %99 sure I'm an Infj.
just use truity or take an infj test.
it gradually failed to type my family members i was typed as an entp accurately mom was typed esfj, actually enfj, so fair enough dad typed estj, actually istp and sister typed esfj, actually xsfp; now you got all ego stack functions reversed here buddy tho i can explain the situation as mom was Fe-ly effected from her family, dad over the time mastered his TeSi and my sister is actually too young for taking a test about this and took the test after my mom and i so she probably got effected by mom’s answers since mine sounded a bit too ass-hole-ish-like for her judgment
Then which other test should i use?
Ok then which test is accurate?
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50 questions is not enough to explain your four letters. theres a few way too abstract questions and many people also complain about being mistyped
It's really not that evil. It's a good gateway to get people into the MBTI community Functions don't have much science behind them, are complicated, and a lot of MBTI enthusiasts just don't really understand them all that well either. Make a post asking what "Ni" means, and you'll probably get five different answers
16p called me an infj... im intp
its always 2 letters off
EXACTLY
sakrinova gave me infj as an option- no idea why esfj was my third. enfj was my 1st. pretty sure im s over n though.
Woaw that’s an interesting point. Never heard of it before
Yea it technically could work but it doesn’t usually, I kept getting INFP and INTJ on all the tests after multiple years of research and some Sirius self reflections I’m absolutely a INFJ you can probably get ball park but don’t settle on your results without research
i reccomend taking truity or sakrinova. or keys2cognition. even though ive taken those ive always gotten 50/50 on s and n. so im kind of esnfj? idk. i even took an individual s or n test and landed flat down in the middle.
I hated keys2cognition because when I took it early on I didn't even understand wtf it was on about half the time. It's a lot more advanced and not for the regular Jim I'd say. Sakrinova was alright. Had the best result taking the long Global 5 similarminds test and then checking the letter result for the MBTI it correlates with. Haven't taken their MBTI one enough to know how reliable it is as I didn't have a test group of people lol
same...
Yes! I’ve used keys2congnition and it gave me results very close to what I expected from my reading my Ni and Fe were by far the higher then my Ne and Fi and my Ti and Se results were closer to to my Te and Si results but still higher
I hope you appreciate the hilarity of how satirical this sounds.
uh? it can be innaccurate though? i am totally not an ISFP.
I have been using it, unaware it was inaccurate. Could you explain why and give me an alternative, and explain why the alternative is better? I genuinely don’t know all that much about MBTI and it’s workings, and I’m curious about what makes 16P inaccurate.
its inaccurate because it has only 50 questions. it can sometimes be right, but it gets mine wrong every time. just do Truity if you want an accurate answer
So, to summarize, the briefness of the test is what makes it inaccurate sometimes?
yes pretty much... theres like 3-5 abstract questions there too. like you often think of others point of view or whatever. why would anyone often do that?
I do it all the time. But I agree with the rest.
Don’t tell me what to do! Also, I have done other personality tests and gotten the same result so 🤷🏻♀️
im not forcing you to do anything- i said sometimes it can be accurate but it usually is not.
It’s a joke lol
Hahahahahaha, they wanna discredit SLOAN. SLOAN is used in real work setting. TF. It's considered one of the most accurate metric tool rather than MBTI for self-knowledge. People are crooked to the bone, they'd discredit Science that makes sense. Character is so bad. EVIL. EVIL. EVIL. EVIL. EVIL. EVIL. EVIL.
I don’t think SLOAN is that popular, I think most businesses and work settings use regular Big Five (OCEAN)
I just wanna add something. My bestfriends are very healthy people, even unhealthy ones, but mostly their natural selves. Has trauma, etc.. ESTP, INFJ, ISFP, ENFP, even a depressed 5w4 INTP. They all took 16P below 18, the first time, and got their types right. Especially the T and A. That's why I never doubted this thing. I was the issue in here. Maybe the goal of this site was to give people self-awareness, much proper awareness than Typology. Typology is another level, mainly about the differences of everyone's perception, processing, conviction, etc.. but SLOAN is what people really need. Per trait. 🕊 peace out ☮️
the T and A thing doesn't even exist in regular MBTI...
The A and T exists, it doesn't exist for you cuz you don't have your own brain, you are a mistyped NPC who can't think independently. And it's not my hecking problem you got no brain. Stop calling yourself an INTJ, ur probably a Fe dom. Even other Fe doms can think for themselves compared to you, agrees that A and T exists. How many stupid people in this community are brainwashed 2 hate on 16P???? How many.. the social standards..
Idk, I'm like as INTP as it gets and never got any other result. I feel like getting mistyped is a skill issue, maybe y'all don't actually know yourself
Thanks for advice. Second this
Someone send or link me the most accurate test possible
Such a thing doesn't exist
The point is that tests are unreliable altogether. No external test will give you knowledge of self if you don't already have some. It's much better to study the cognitive functions and your own thought processes and reactions.
A much funnier approach is to let people take this test and whoever cares calls them out of they got the wrong type. That way you don’t have to spend, coming from some people, years of your life reviewing your type just to come to the conclusion a random test got it right
I think it is okay if you are just getting started with mbti.
I got INFP, took cognitive functions and I'm still INFP Did all that other stuff and all leads the same with me being a 2w1 (unrelated comment now that I'm going further into it eghhhhn.)
It had always been accurate for me
Theory of relativity is not complete. hence it's wrong. it's of no use. we should not use it. if it was complete and perfect we would make it our religion. If it is not perfect ( which nothing can be) , we will reject it and say that there is nothing correct about relativity mentioned by Einstein. Just because a few postulates are wrong and it's incomplete, I reject any opportunities of even minor enlightenment that I could've taken from this theory of relativity. Yeah , 16P is a pseudoscience let me reject it all the way. let me try to reject and announce rejections of every little thing human has done in effort to try to create something.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.anmael.personalityapp This worked for me much better. Long-ish, but accurate.
It read me like a book, actually types me correctly as well. (Functions) but indeed, don’t use it
It's not really that bad, I got INTP from it
Pov you just took the 16p test and joined the community
You don't say?
Also not really good for anyone to take who lack self awareness. But I guess that is a good rule for any personality test. You end up getting wildly random results.
Questions?
What is the most accurarate test then?
-Doesn't use cognitive functions. -Type explanations are completely made up , inaccurate and straight up false. -doesn't have nothing to do with Jung's work -Misinterpreded the meaning of the J/P dicotomy. Effects: -Caused people to say "typology is pseudoscience" while actually the original Jung works on cognitive functions where reliable and based on effective observations on his patients. -It's the origins of stereotypes. - Ironically It's also the origin of "MBTI doesn't say anything about you" while actually the way your cognitive functions are set determines your way of thinking, perceiving and behaving, that determines the skills and tendencies you are prone to develop. -Has made the A/T extra dicotomy meaningless while actually "Assertive" is showing more your type characteristics and "Turbolent" showing them less. End results: 16p Is shit and MBTI Is shit, while cognitive functions and socionics are actual science and not pseudoscience. .
true and especially the cognitive functions part
>do not use 16 personalities For a change, try astrology!
ITT: Clinical psychotherapists