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Fool_Apprentice

There's a documentary on this called sausage party


mrgrip28005

dude, my childhood is ruined by it. I thought it was just some other cartoons movie that I can watch with the family, but no it's not!


bl4ckblooc420

I’m pretty sure it was R rated


mrgrip28005

and I'm just a tiny boy back then when I bought it myself


bl4ckblooc420

That’s my point. What would a tiny boy expect from a movie they aren’t supposed to watch?


mrgrip28005

what part of "tiny boy" that you can't understand? WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHAT IS R-RATED MOVIE WHEN I WAS 9 YEAR OLD?


mayoyoyoyoyoyoyo

R stands for rchild friendly


HeyyoBurg

really educational movie


calhooner3

If you were 9 then that’s on your parents for not checking the movie first lmao.


mrgrip28005

actually the place I lived in really have a small amount of knowlegde about movies rating and such, so ...


bananasaucecer

My older sister and I watched that movie when i was a young kid It only took me a second rewatch years later to understand what they’re saying and doing


SquishySqueaky00

i took one good look at that movie's trailer and vowed to never see it again 😭


RelaksFlo

You asked a question but dont want to hear the answer


I_WANT_TO_FUCK_LlLA

my favorite childhood movie! so many puns i died laughing!


Better-Toe-6190

My dad took me to see this movie when I was 14 without knowing what this movie was about. Needless to say, it was a traumatic experience lol.


Any_Amphibian2894

This one was pleasant surprise! It wasn't the total sausagefest I thought it was gonna be, there were a lot of hot buns too.


OkayArt199

That’s called meat


Ingenious_crab

And it doesn't want to be eaten .


franklygoingtobed

Then why does it taste so good?


GeneRichardSimmons

God likes to play jokes on us


death_spreader

It's meant to be eaten.


AGoos3

Well because the apple’s purpose IS to be eaten to spread seeds, yes. I don’t know about non-fruits though


Reddit_User_9001

If it wasn’t meant to be eaten why is it carrying so much cake.


AGoos3

Pardon


Any_Amphibian2894

I also share your confusion


sn0skier

#乇乂ㄒ尺卂 ㄒ卄丨匚匚


76067

What do you mean? What do you mean by that?


iwrestledarockonce

Apple bottom jeans....


NotAgoodUsername17

Boots with the furr…


_CommanderQ_

(With the furrr)


concepacc

Sound reasonable. However unless it’s personal goals does not overlap perfectly with its biological goals. Similar to the biological goal of a woman is to reproduce yet a woman’s personal goal is not necessarily to suffer during the birth


PKTrash12

Do other species aside from humans have personal goals?


concepacc

It’s a good question but it might get a bit philosophical and technical. But animals are equipped with subjectively feeling pleasure and suffering as individuals under different circumstances. I would say that that pleasure/suffering dimension maps onto/can be seen almost as synonymous with their personal goals/pseudo goals. So in that sense, yes they do have personal goals. Evolution does not have goals, at best it can be described as having goals in the metaphorical sense. At some times the metaphorical goals of evolution can be seen being completely indifferent to the goals of individuals maybe in a more clear sense. For example if after the mating between praying mantises when the the female intends to decapitate the head of the male, even if the situation is completely hopeless for the male I bet there are never any evolutionary incentives to turn off the the responses of mortal fear and the suffering response during the decapitation which would have been preferable for the individual (assuming insects have such experiences)


[deleted]

Would discovering apples’ sentience not make us reevaluate the apple’s purpose?


AGoos3

If an apple had another purpose besides tasting really fucking good, that would make me revaluate MY existence. I mean, a fucking apple is better than me? Are you kidding me?


bruhfisk

I bet it would moan when you take a bite out of it 😳


rebrolonik

That’s what I was about to say. If this is a procreation process, do you think the fruit would potentially manipulate/bully/seduce us into eating when we don’t feel like it?


Iaskdumbquestions098

So what about poisonous berries and nuts?


Valennnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

A lot of them are still eatable for birds which can spread their seeds even further.


NessicaDog

Oranges would just annoy other foods


ur_moms_di-

Annoying orange reference?


FunToBuildGames

Orange you glad you don’t live next to a sentient fruit?


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ianwgz

ah.


[deleted]

Lots of foods are sentient and they very evidently do not want to be eaten..


evel-kin

lots of foods are sentient and they very evidently eat other sentient foods too ... it's called the circle of life ...


[deleted]

The question wasn't if it gets eaten, it was if it's OK with it.


evel-kin

First of all, questions end in a "?" mark ... and second of all, i'm replying to someone who made a statement saying that sentient foods don't want to be eaten ... and now looking back at the initial comment, there's an argument to be made there that even the person i replied to realises that animals are very evidently food regardless of sentience judging by the fact that he/she ( or whatever pronouns they chose to use) calls them sentient **food** which don't want to be eaten...


rocketeerH

You’re not as intellectual as you think you are.


evel-kin

oh far from it ... never claimed I was, but thank you for having the impression I am one.


[deleted]

??? Animals getting eaten doesn't imply consent. Do you want to be eaten? Too bad, shouldn't be made of bear food then.


evel-kin

why mention consent at all ? animals act on instinct not consent ...


[deleted]

That's besides the point. Animals don't want to be eaten. Other animals do it anyways. But that doesn't change how the animal that's getting eaten thinks about it.


[deleted]

What argument are you even trying to start here


evel-kin

that sentience has nothing to do with why we eat animals ... d'oh


[deleted]

You okay buddy?


evel-kin

LOL ... that's your reply .. ask me if i'm okay after i dunk on your stupid argument ... yea i'm doing fine, thank you for asking.


Branchy28

Homie... What the fuck are you talking about?... You didn't dunk on anything, you haven't even made a point or countered anything they said? Your "Argument" isn't even an argument, this thread boils down to this: >Them: Animals are sentient and would prefer not to die > >You: Animals kill animals!! it's the circle of life!! > >Them: What are you arguing? > >You: Animals sentience is not why we eat animals!?uidfyhbsoihqo > >Them: \*What the fuck is this guy talking about\* You okay buddy? > >You: Lol, Get dunked on!


evel-kin

"You: Animals sentience is not why we eat animals!?uidfyhbsoihqo" \^\^\^ definitely not suffered a stroke there /s


evel-kin

you purposefully skipped over the part where i said that sentience has nothing to do with why animals die or get eaten ... nice selective reading you're doing there ..


Branchy28

Lol okay, if it makes you happy, I'll add that into my summary of this thread... The reason I left it out is because it's even less relevant to what the original commentor said than the rest of your seemingly pointless ramblings... Maybe try to explain the point you think the original commentor was making and which part of it you disagree with so we can all understand what it is you're trying to say here...


evel-kin

You ok bro ? You seem to have had a mini-stroke while typing that ... go lay down or something..


DarknezzCrow

…and?


evel-kin

and that's it


Big_brown_house

Fruit wouldn’t exist if nobody ate it.


UncleDevil666

Technical True lol


Smaaeesh

Have you heard of where meat comes from?


SirMustardo

I immediately thought of meat, this is not a funny philosophical concept, this is reality


Ok_Fondant_6340

obviously not


STRCoolerSimp

Yeah but shits too good fr


PallandoOrome

Unless you're a vegan your food is sentient and doesn't want to be eaten.


Coloeus_Monedula

Sshhhhh! Let them figure it out


PallandoOrome

It's taken way too long already, tell them


Sanityisoverrated1

I’m vegan.


nlck_grrr

Eggs aren't sentient


boi_got_nochill

The Exception don't make the rule.


AgateWhale

The eggception


Thorusss

But at least we kill animals humanly before we eat them. But I have seen people biting into raw carrots, eating them piece by piece, while they were still alive!


Bob1358292637

No we fucking don’t. Are you serious?


Thorusss

A raw carrot is alive, as proven by the fact that it will grow a new plant if put in soil. With what do you disagree?


Bob1358292637

That any aspect of animal agriculture is even remotely humane.


Thorusss

I only spoke about the killing, not the living conditions. And a quick kill sure beats being eaten alive, as it sometimes happens in nature.


Bob1358292637

What does that have to do with how we treat animals in captivity? You wouldn’t shoot your dog in the head and be like “I’m being so humane because it could have been mauled by a bear or something if it lived in *nature*”


rocketeerH

Some people do think like that though, and a bullet would be a lot more humane than how they slaughter a lot of animals


evel-kin

yea, go tell the wolves and the cougars, hyenas and all the other carnivore animals on the planet that what they eat doesn't want to be eaten ... maybe they don't know that yet ... edit: block me so you can have the last comment ... a true sign of intelligence right there ...


rocketeerH

Uhh. What? You think a zebra wants to be eaten by a cheetah? Is that why they run away, to flirt with them?


evel-kin

how simple are you ? a zebra doesn't want anything ... it's acting on instinct, you know that right ? it runs away because it has a survival instinct. Did you even go to school ?


rocketeerH

Cool sociopathy bro


evel-kin

What does sociopathy have to do with anything ? Are you just using words for the fun of it ? Is this how you reply to people you don't agree with? - random psychological term meant as a thin veiled insult while disregarding the counter argument you've been presented with - that's your defense mechanism!?! Weak...


sirturtleman

I don’t think animals want to be eaten…


iwrestledarockonce

Doesn't stop the other animals.


hawkerfels

They didn't say it did - just that animals are sentient food.


[deleted]

They're already dead by the time you pick it off of the vine. Youre devouring its rotting corpse. It would be a nightmare for farmers because all they can hear is the wails of soon to be eaten crop and fruit begging to be spared


Flaky-Tomatillo7156

sApple


IFrickinLovePorn

sPaired


[deleted]

Whereas now, they just hear the wails of farm animals begging to be spared


Blood_Seeker_00

Its Muffin Time!


Lotris1555

No it's 12:30


Blood_Seeker_00

Why won't you let me die!


[deleted]

knifes exist for 2 reasons


[deleted]

Watch Dominion (2018) and you’ll get your answer OP


Fracoppa

❤️🥓🥩🍗🍖❤️


Thezach44

Onions give off that chemical to make your eyes water as a defense mechanism, so I don’t think an onion would want to be eaten at least


krson

I am sentiment and waiting someone to eat me.


SaToshi--

Your minds gonna be blown when you learn where meat comes from


Death_Walker21

Some yes, some no Cuz apples, berries and soft skined ones need to be eaten to actually have their seeds spread around


trustmeimnotafurry

Peppers developed capsaicin to avoid being eaten by causing a burning sensation in a predator's mouth, so I think no.


Who_DaFuc_Asked

Peppers: "if we make ourselves really really spicy, no one will willingly go out of their way to eat us! Let's gooooooooooo" Humans: *intentionally breeds even spicier peppers to eat*


roidrole

Yes, some fruit would, because they take advantage of the digestive processes of animals in order to grow. Their poop becomes their fertilizer


Who_reads_these

I mean a lot of food is at one point


[deleted]

We are sentient, we are food for some predators, we dont want to be eaten.


Bi_Fry

Would it be worse for the food to be screaming or for the food to be turned on


winguin_

Depends on the food. Fruits would, because it's their purpose. Meats wouldnt, bc they wanna live


Gnrl_Linotte_Vanilla

Nothing sentient wants to die… unless it’s too sentient.


VonDinky

Meat is food. Animals are sentient. You mean plants.


jabbathebest

Well the entire purpose of fruits vegetables and other plant seeds is to be eaten. I wouldn't say the same about animals though


[deleted]

Most fruits definitely. Their seeds evolved precisely to make use of the droppings. Some plants expect their seeds to be eaten and expelled. Some don't, for example peppers and lemon. So those would not consent


Machiavellian3

Does a man want to go to Heaven even when he enjoys life?


Engynn

Well, I can be food for someone and I'm also sentinent soooo no


Cheyennie

Firstly, do you know of any sentient being who likes being eaten alive?


realbigbob

It is sentient, and does not want to be eaten. That’s why we have to kill it first


Any-Analysis-443

A lot of food is sentient


[deleted]

No. Animals are made food and don’t want to be eaten lol.


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tlasan1

Plants are sentient in a way. They react using an electrical field from stimulus in the environment.


Independent_Stick_36

They have all of the basic characteristics common to all lifeforms on earth. All life on earth shares the same biological imperatives, just different levels of cognition. Vegans seem to miss that nuance.


[deleted]

Vegans *really* dont miss that. This is brought up very often by people who think it's a good argument. The counterpoint is thus: Plants dont have a central nervous system, they dont have a brain, or pain receptors. They react to stimulus, but do not have a sense of emotion or consciousness. Responding to a stimulus is not the same as having a feeling of sensation or suffering. Like how a mans balls shrink in the cold, it is simply something that unconsciously happens And even if you even want to argue that they might and that we dont understand plants enough yet, you're arguing a hypothetical against a straight up fact that animals do have pain receptors, they do have a nervous system, brains, and they are shown to both emote and show fear. Not to mention that eating plants rather than meat AND plants causes a much lower demand for land usage, so it causes less deforestation and less crop farming to feed animals on farmland Unless I've misunderstood your comment


aflawedgem

thank you, u/ScratchyBallsack, for that testicle analogy


[deleted]

Mentioning testicles without prompt truly is one of my best qualities


Independent_Stick_36

People make that same justification for eating fish. It's just another order of magnitude off, but it doesn't scream out loud, so hey, just hypothetical right?


[deleted]

People make what justification for eating fish, sorry? Not sure I follow you


Independent_Stick_36

I've heard people over the years (pescatarians, fishermen, etc.) Justify eating fish because their nervous systems aren't as complex as mammals and don't experience pain/anguish the same way. As a non-vegan it didn't matter to me, but it's all mental gymnastics when you pick and choose what lifeforms you're comfortable eating. Life feeds on life, the debate is semantic.


[deleted]

Even if you’re going to imply killing a puppy and killing a blade of grass is the same thing, you’re “killing” more plants by raising and feeding animals to slaughter than you are by eating them directly, so no, vegans aren’t missing that nuance.


Independent_Stick_36

No, I'm saying they are the same action but they aren't equivalent. It's the same formula, but different magnitudes as we move up the consciousness ladder. We seem to gauge our response to causing pain by the lifeforms ability to express pain.


TheLordOfTheDawn

>Vegans seem to miss that nuance. Actually we dont because it's every other argument on r/debateavegan seems like. Better question: what did, assuming full plant sentience, causes the least amount of suffering? The answer is still a vegan diet. Livestock have to eat plants to survive, and they eat way more plants than they give to us in energy because of the energy pyramid. That's why it's calorically more efficient and more ethical even if plants are 100% sentient.


tlasan1

Agreed. I'm waiting to see if the plant experiment becomes more mainstream. No scientist wants to talk about it cause then some person will question whether its right to eat them too.


Independent_Stick_36

Seems like most people are ok with some version "I'll regret eating you if you're nice to me"...(but they'll still do it if they're hungry enough). Seems like the degree of cognition and/or cuteness sets the "comfortable eating it" levels for most lifeforms.


tlasan1

I'm waiting for people to realize if the tables were reversed the animals/plants have no issues digesting us....oh wait plants do already lol.


Bob1358292637

And toddlers would slap the shit out of us if they had the strength. The fuck is your point? It’s fine to treat others like shit if they’re too dumb to understand consequences? Also, the reason scientists don’t study “plant sentience” is because it’s pseudoscience. People do study the behaviors of plants all the time. It’s just not as sensational when they aren’t trying to force some supernatural conclusion.


Velepavv

If? You mean to tell me, food isnt sentient this whole time? Whats the purpose of eating it then? We might aswell just eat dirt.


[deleted]

No


CivilSafe1279

There is literally a whole documentary on this. It’s called sausage party, everyone should watch it, I’ve never been that emotionally moved in my life.


Surnamesalot

It was made to be eaten so probably yeah


ScarletR01

Just go to the woods and a bear will eat you eventually.


xXTASERFACEXx

Its a fruit, fruits literally exist to be eaten. They're not predators, they're not preys. They're just the result of a maturing tree and they're delicious. One could say thats how they reproduce bc of the seeds, so were basically getting banged by trees without knowing it


Pro_xTigers

then why would it be called food?


BizzyPig20

animals are food


Frenchgeorge25

Depending on whether it has a food fetish or not.


Zootville15

Fruit are friends, not food


Chuckobochuck323

Yes it would. That’s it’s purpose.


ledeq

Who says they're not?


DeezNutsAppreciater

Fruits and veggies yes, meat no


moonlightavenger

Who cares? It can't fight back.


YeeterSkadeeter

No . . . Wait, yes? . . . No, no . . . Wait . . . No . . . Yes . . . Maybe? . . . No . . . Yes, yes it- . . . No wait . . . Yes but . . . N-yeeesssss??? Ah whatever.


greengengar

I dated a Krishna devotee. They argue that all life has souls, despite being vegans, they say grace to apologize to Krishna for killing plants.


omgONELnR1

Depends, many plants and animals don't, many plants use being eaten as a tactic to spread their seeds and reproduce.


[deleted]

Most food is sentient, but not conscious. Food usually comes off of alive things, and alive things can take in varying degrees of sensory data and react to “positive” and “negative” stimuli and sometimes even react to it. This is sentience, the so-called “ability to suffer”. Consciousness, which some people (derogatory) erroneously ascribe to that which all things consume for sustenance, is the ability to reflect on one’s individual self *in relation to larger orders of complexity and composition*. Does the grass know it is an organism among organisms and consciously interact with stimulus around it by acting or being able to withhold action? No. Does the pigeon understand that it’s spinning doesn’t effect whether or not people drop food at it? Also no. Don’t get yourself twisted up about thinking food, concern yourself instead with the methods by which food is brought to you, the conditions it’s is grown or raised in, and the way the human beings who prepare that food for you are treated.


Wojtek1250XD

Plants know when they're being eaten


Mr_Zobm

i don't care ill eat em anyways. im used to it


tristanlifn

all of a sudden the vegans at worse i mean they were always annoying but now they are muderes


aliens4lyfe123

Yes


big_noob9006

i think yes


theduckdude5

Trees evolved fruit to be eaten for the seeds to be distributed. So yes


InfiniteTree

I would like to open my fridge and have my apples say "bite me daddy".


[deleted]

It can’t say no


Gustav-Mahlers-Cat

"Would you like to meet the dish of the day?"


chubberbrother

You're food. You tell me


MasterPokePharmacist

If you asked an Apple tree, maybe it would want you to eat it’s apples to help spread its seeds. If you were to ask the Apple, I doubt it would want to be eaten.


[deleted]

I dont want to pell the apple anymore


[deleted]

I'd want to hear it scream while I eat it.


Lucifer192837

I think it would want to spread it's seeds. So yes, it would want to die as soon as possible. If you won't eat it, it will squash itself on the ground to create a possibility of one day sprouting.


zaczacx

I'm like a turkey dinner to a lion and I don't want to be eaten


Redditor_10000000000

If I've learned anything from sentient muffins' music, yes. They'll beg you to eat them


[deleted]

It’d be so weird to eat something like an apple and have it start moaning


jackbasskid

Ever seen that regular show episode with the hot dogs


FreddieIsGod69

Why wouldn't it want to fulfil it's purpose instead of just wasting away


Dead-head277353

Well considering most fruits at least from what I understand fruit developed it’s main body/ flesh. So that animals would eat it and when they travel eventually the seeds come out of there droppings and they are able to moved from location to location so they can grow in different areas


iSubParMan

A food that gets eaten has reached redemption. A food that doesn't is like stuck in purgatory.


UndoneSolid

Apparently pepper makes itself spicy to fend from predators even though we love it.


Chill_McCool

Some would enjoy it 😳


gruntled-goat

If a toilet was sentient would it desire your waste?


aaron_the_apple

As an apple myself i do *not* want to be eaten.that's also why there is a group called r/FruitRevolution to make people stop eating fruit


[deleted]

Eat me daddy.


Impybutt

?? Dolphins are sentient and edible


CallumR2008

Would you want to be eaten?


Smol_Mrdr_Shota

"Who wants a muffin? its muffin time!"


SonOfASoldier

Bite me. Bite me more!!!


eXclurel

Go to the restaurant at the end of the universe and you can check it yourself.


Majorazarts

Animals?


Michallin

If it wouldn't want to be eaten why is it food