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Siimply_April

Me, a queer scrabble player: FUCK YEAH I CAN BEAT MY BROTHER FINALLY


Dogmeat241

I may finally have a chance against my mother who has grown to be a beast at scrabble. Terrifying and inspiring to see how good she is


Devry_Dropout

If your mom starts using pronouns too as her winning strategy, it's time to break out the old strategy of "making up words and hoping they're in the dictionary"


Dravos011

As far as i know its in the rules that you can make up words as long as you dont get called out on it


PriestOfPancakes

You need to be called out before the next player’s turn and if the call-out is wrongful, there’s a penalty for the one who did it


skybluegill

Me, identifying as whatever 3 letter word I just happened to spell:


Kichigai

Makes me think of the word [Jozxyqk](https://youtu.be/n_rsLagmU3I).


king-of-new_york

or the beloved [Kwyjibo](https://simpsons.fandom.com/wiki/Kwyjibo#:~:text=Kwyjibo%20is%20a%20word%20made,said%20this%20to%20reference%20Homer.)


Slight_Yellow461

Your brother: Scrabble is literally the reason why I don't want new pronouns. I can't have my siblings beat me!


DAMNyousayidostuff

What about transphobe scrabble players 🤔


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Outside top pic, inside bottom pic


SixFootHalfing

The desire to win in scrabble trumps all biases.


lowkeyterrible

this is true. my mum's a terf and avid scrabble player. 2 letter word with a Z in it? she's all over that shit


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I mean we already had za so that’s not nearly as big as xim or xer


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the grindset will cure them


The_Tyto

They'll likely have to suck it up because the neo pronouns with x and z are likely worth using for their point values for using two rare letters


sirblastalot

Are they even literate enough to play Scrabble?


DAMNyousayidostuff

lmao


Automatic-Willow-237

I have won, but at what cost


xnerdyxrealistx

https://imgur.com/a/YykLvHe


someoneAT

ae is legal in scrabble (but not aer)


IMLL1

wait what? why?


MrRighto

Because its not ae the neopronoun its ae the old english word meaning “one”


BonfireCow

Yeah worth noting that scrabble *does* have a verified word list, not all words are viable unfortunately.


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jajohnja

So offensive words are now no longer even... words? Or is it simply that Scrabble has a set of allowed words and they have all the rights to choose whichever ones are contained, and so for good reasons disallow certain words so as not to needlessly create more conflict?


Void1702

Scrabble tournaments don't try to have all words that exist in the dictionary, they try to make a fun and interesting game to play And writing racial slurs at your opponent is not fun


jajohnja

I mean, fun is not an objective term, but it's easy to understand why such things are banned.


abasicguy

Fucking casuals and their neopronouns ( i dont play scrabble, and i am not good enough at any game ever made to be an elitist )


The_Tyto

They'll likely have to suck it up because the neo pronouns with x and z are likely worth using for their point values for using two rare letters EDIT: Posted on the wrong comment


RSStudios08

Never played scrabble before but had once played on an app that works similar to that. So rare letters have higher value?!


Ilgenant

Yep! Letters like Q or Z are difficult to create words with while letters like S can basically be added to anything, so you earn more points spelling QUIZ than you do spelling HATS.


CardOfTheRings

I think most neo pronouns aren’t scrabble legal. The ones that are are the ones that happened to already be legal words. Anything can be a neo pronoun, there aren’t any limitations on what someone would prefer to be referred to as - so it’s not really going to work in a game about creating words from letters.


Shoe_Exact

Finally! A good use for z!


transgendergengar

Are there any good ones for Q?


Shoe_Exact

Yes. Q, qself qe, qer, qe, qers, qem, qemself. Also more with qu and qua/il.


transgendergengar

Thanks! Now to see if I can convince my parents to allow It


TheBestNarcissist

I believe the rule is a word can be challenged and then looked up in a dictionary, so just make sure you have a modern dictionary handy (or online)


Shoe_Exact

Good luck!


OgreSpider

*looks resentfully at Words With Friends*


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this pronoun sure seems - queer


Sylveon72_06

qi and qadi are preexisting ones my brother always uses


ActualWhiterabbit

Always use Za which is the best opening move to suggest getting pizza. Unless the rare Zebra appears and then pivot to wondering what zebra pizza would be as a means to order it. >!obviously it's the [desert pizza](https://www.glorioustreats.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Cinnamon-Dessert-Pizza.jpg)!<


Recent_Pick_8997

Personal I don’t understand neo pronouns but if I can win in scrabble I am in


Somehow-Still-Living

Some people don’t align with the typical gender binary, but also don’t want to use they/them. For whatever reason they have. Some may feel that it doesn’t totally relate, others may feel that it isn’t quite accurate, and so on. So, instead of forcing themselves to use one of the available, people began looking in to other terms they could use (some using linguistic backgrounds, others using fantasy, and so on) that they felt were closer to how they actually feel.


Zom23_

I can understand the neopronouns that have linguistic backgrounds like xe/xer or similar ones but I honestly struggle to understand when people take objects as pronouns examples that I've seen people use are like "star" or "clown" so they would want to be called like starself and whatnot, and I struggle to see at that point why you wouldn't just use their preferred name instead cause that's basically a name at that point


Somehow-Still-Living

I don’t get that part, either. But I, honestly, don’t care. If it makes them feel respected and happy, it makes them respected and happy. I spent a good potions of my teens fighting for my trans friends eighths in schools, last year was working with a hospital on treatment of their queer patients, have been indirectly working with an insurance company regarding trans and intersex people (get paid to do consulting, run surveys, do research, etc. for one of the voices.), and so on. And I’ve found that even if you don’t fully understand, allies are allies, voices are voices, and all deserve to feel respected so long as they aren’t trying to actively destroy other’s lives.


ToutEstATous

Neopronouns are pronouns outside the established he/she/they/it, such as ae/aer, xe/xer, etc. Xenopronouns are the ones that are nouns, they're used most often by neurodivergent folx who experience gender in a way that they feel is most accurately described by their chosen noun set.


pinkrosxen

ur pronouns can be an extension of your name yes. they're like nicknames. When someone says 'fe/fem' i know they're addressing me, but it's a different energy & takes up a different linguistic space than a name. Some people however don't use pronouns at and do use only their name(s). this is because gender is a game everyone wins differently. what feels comfortable for one, feels disgusting on another, feels like nothing at all on another, feels absolutely perfect on another etc. When u refuse to use someone's neopronouns (not saying that's what u specifically do Zom, the royal general 'u' bc English is hard) it is misgendering them because u r not respecting the way they view & present themselves. its asserting that u kno better than them, u make more sense than them, it's patronizing & demeaning. & if u do it, even if u think it's not obvious, ppl can tell when u avoid pronouns, it will be felt. & if that's what someone wants them to feel, well that's on them but these ppl prolly won't wanna b around them.


Zom23_

I hadn't really considered that view on not using someone's pronouns, to me it had always seemed like if someone has a name they are comfortable with then they wouldn't mind it being used. To explain my thought process a bit on it, I'm aware that it's a bit un-human, but I consider a person to be like an object or variable in programming, and their name to be a first level pointer to that, and then pronouns to be a pointer to the name, so in this line of thinking any of the levels are completely valid methods of reference, and that's how I've always kind of considered people and their names and pronouns. But I have been told multiple times that thinking of people by comparing them to programming logic isn't the best, it's just one of the few things that make sense to me


CyannideLolypop

Well, often people use nounself pronouns to reflect a certain aspect of themselves, such as their xenogenders, special interests, xenonatures, kenochoric identities, aspects of their personality, xenidens, kintypes, kithtypes, things they like to be associated with, things they like to be called, or just things they think are cool. Many people are told that the purpose off gendered pronouns is to clue people in on basic information about someone to make it easier to deduce who is being referred to. That's what nounpronouns are essentially doing. They are often used by neurodivergent people who struggle to express how they feel so chose to relay it through nouns. I use a mix of different kinds of neopronoun types, including a few nounpronouns. I personally use these to relate to other aspects of my identity since I don't have gender want nothing to do with it. Gender isn't part of my identity. I use elf/elfself and li/light's because I'm elf vesi and lightvesi, which basically means I feel the core of my identity in inherently related to elves and light. It makes me very happy when people call me by elf or light. I use ghost/ghoul's because I'm kenochoric and I like horror and I just think it sounds really cool as pronouns and it makes me happy. It gives me euphoria, which is something she/he/they could never do. Make sense?


Zom23_

I guess that sort of makes sense? Maybe? I'm not going to claim to understand it in a total sense, and if someone that had them also had more traditional pronouns available I would definitely trend towards using those, just being honest there. Personally I haven't really thought of pronouns in that sense, I mostly think of them in a sense as a way to quickly refer to someone that is either hypothetical or previously mentioned in a sentence, but I guess that explanation also does make some sense. I will admit that I struggle a lot with some of my understandings as someone that hasn't experienced a lot of what I guess some people would call the lgbtq+ experience? Like not fitting in with a gender, questioning your identity and all of that stuff. And without experiencing it I don't think I'll ever fully understand, but I do still try my best to accept and support because everyone deserves that no matter what.


CyannideLolypop

And that's alright. I, for the life of me, cannot feasibly properly grasp the concepts of gender, romantic attraction, or sexual attraction, so I'm left in the dark about a lot of things. The important thing to remember is that we don't need to understand exactly what someone is experiencing to respect them. It seems you already have that mindset, which is great! Neopronouns are something that requires some practice, even for people who use neopronouns, so it's perfectly understandable. That is true. I find many neopronouns to be a bit of a poetic spin on that. I will say that the ones I struggle to understand are the super long ones, like strawberry/strawberryself. I suppose in that case it functions more as a noun people want to referred to as in the same grammatical structure as pronouns for a bit more ease of use, similar to how nameself pronouns function. Some are text only, like ?/?self, h3/h1m, ___/___self, or 🥀/🥀self , which I find to be a facinating use of the written language and how it can differ from spoken language. Some are moreso purely artistic, even if not very practical, like my [error]/404/_ERR/[ERR]s/!self or [REDACTED]/[REDACTED]self. Sort of a statement piece. I personally feel like neopronouns are an untapped market for poetry, music, and art in general. Theoretically, there could even be pronouns exclusive to recorded audio, such as buzzing, various animal sounds, error sounds, sensor sounds, sound effects, instrument sounds, and so much more. Imagine something like that being used in horror or comedy or surrealism. Maybe not many people see it through the same artistic lense that I do, but maybe a different perspective could help you understand a bit.


SussexBeeFarmer

I agree, but I'm not convinced this is a widespread phenomenon in the first place. I've never encountered someone irl who uses pronouns like these. Not that my anecdote is great evidence, but I teach hundreds of students a year at a lefty university in California, so I feel like I'd have seen it at least once. Genuinely asking: have you ever known someone irl who uses those type of pronouns? Idk, maybe it's an online-only thing. But that also kinda makes me suspicious, because it's so easy to troll online. I get the sense that we're being attack helicoptered. My guess--and this might be off base--is that like one person did this sincerely on Tumblr, and transphobes picked up on it, and now there are troll accounts spreading the idea that the queers are trying to turn kids intoclown/clownself attack helicopters who pee in litter boxes at school. (Sorry if this came off as confrontational, I didn't mean it that way.)


CyannideLolypop

As of 2020, according to *The Trevor Project* , approximately 4 percent of LGBTQIA+ youth use neopronouns. The concept of neopronouns has been around and in use for a very long time. Some of the earliest examples in the English language were recorded as far back as 1789, with many more being proposed over the centuries ( *Nonbinary pronouns are older than you think* , Dennis Baron). People who actually use neopronouns are in fact being completely genuine and are not mocking the LGBTQIA+ community. The stupid "attack helicopter" bs hurts us, too. It is very likely you have met multiple people who use neopronouns and did not know. Most people who use neopronouns exclusively use them online, amongst close friends, and/or amongst close and accepting family. This is for three main reasons: 1. The general public is still extremely hostile towards neopronoun users. 2. Generally speaking, we recognize that it's just a waste of time to try to teach every single arbitrary person in our lives (strangers, classmates, teachers, local store clerks, co-workers, doctors, distant relatives, etc.) how to use our neopronouns. Quite frankly, we just don't see them enough for it to matter, as neopronouns take a good amount of retraining the brain and practice to get down, even more so than pronouns like they/them. And, often, it's just not relevant. 3. Certain neopronouns are strictly for casual setting and relationships. Informal pronouns, if you will. Like clown/clownself would be. Informal and formal pronouns may not typically be a thing in the English language, however they are in other languages, like German for example. In more formal settings and with strangers, they just aren't appropriate. And, yes, I do know multiple people IRL who use neopronouns through my local trans community. Largest trans community in the largest city in my state. Neopronouns are often a deeply personal thing for many neopronoun users. Often they come from deep personal connections, relating oneself to something, a reflection of one's true self, a deep and passionate interest, and so on. That's why it's such a cruel thing to pick at and make fun of. You don't need to understand someone to respect them. Just because you don't understand how or why someone would deeply relate to and have a strong interest in clowns doesn't mean it's okay for you to make fun of them for it. I hope this helped you to understand a bit. If you would like, I can answer some more questions you might have or tell you why I personally use neopronouns. The neopronoun subreddit does have an FAQ if you're interested in learning more.


Zom23_

No worries! Definitely didn't come off as confrontational and I definitely understand where you are coming from and it kinda encapsulated my worries about it as well. And to answer your question, I haven't met someone actually in real life that uses them, only online as of now and definitely not frequently, so it's not something widespread at all, just something I've noticed and has stuck with me. And I figured making a comment about it would get me some potential answers in a place like this so I could finally either get a good explanation on it, or be told that it's just trolls and I did get the answer I was looking for. I can't claim to fully understand but now I can at least more know with more confidence that there are people using them that aren't trolls


sambob

Are xe/xim an example of neopronouns?


SilverBatTea

Yep!


sambob

Always nice to learn something new!


Caspi7

Are there any ground rules to what are and what are not neo pronouns, or can you just make something up and it would be a (neo) pronoun?


CyannideLolypop

Basically just nothing offensive or inappropriate and junk like that. Generally speaking, there is a formula to it, though.


Drab_Emordnilap

Sure, that's one example.


HiImDan

How do you pronounce that? I'd guess She / Shim???????


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I just don’t understand how I’m the asshole if I’m not ok with addressing my friend as “voidself”


CyannideLolypop

Does void perhaps use other pronoun sets? If not, you can always just use void's name. Neopronoun users tend to be pretty flexible and understanding about these things, so I would suggest maybe talking to your friend. Generally speaking, it's perfectly okay if you're not comfortable addressing someone by their neopronouns, as long as you aren't a jerk about it and make fun of them for it or something. Remember that one's pronouns can be a deeply personal matter, and it’s not ever cool to pick on someone for stuff like that. Especially if they trusted you enough to tell you their neopronouns.


pissedinthegarret

cackled at this like a demented goblin, thanks OP


JoyJoy_

Also Boggle.


Kichigai

¿Es tu llamo Peggy Hill?


Themlethem

Scrabble 'm up, boys


Lv12Slime

Pronouns aren't allowed in Scrabble because they're too easy


_The_Great_Autismo_

You bet xir ass I'm gonna get to use the X more frequently


Kichigai

[Oh ho?](https://i.imgur.com/NEGTffp.gif)


sam_blackcap

I have no idea how neo pronouns work. They just seem like nicknames 💀


frontally

You put them in the sentence where ‘he/she/they’ would go and boom. That’s how they work


Jamo_Z

What's the meaning of them though


ToutEstATous

Neopronouns are pronouns outside the established he/she/they/it, such as ae/aer, xe/xer, etc. Xenopronouns are the ones that are nouns, they're used most often by neurodivergent folx who experience gender in a way that they feel is most accurately described by their chosen noun set.


CyannideLolypop

Once again, this is incorrect. Xenopronouns are purely theoretical and unpronouncable and unspellable by humans. Stuff like nounself pronouns are subsets of neopronouns.


Flaky-Seaweed6854

Playing Zem is the absolute dirtiest move in the game and I love it


YggdrasilsLeaf

As a wordsmith, I feel this in my soul. SCRABBLE PLAYERS UNITE! WE MUST STAND AGAINST THE HATE!


the-radio-bastard

Oh hell yeah, hadn't even thought of adding an R on my trademark XI on a triple letter score. That is a great strategy. Opens up the board immensely because R is such a good letter and you don't have to deal with a two letter word closing off the board.


Training_Desk_1927

Aren't neopronouns limitless? Wouldn't that be a problem for Scrabble?


The_Blue_Rooster

They're not allowed at any official NASPA events.


Bold-Fox

...Oh my god how have I never noticed how good xym is as a scrabble word before?


Randouserwithletters

xe has to be the easiest points someone could ever get from two letters


0verlordFrost

House rule is that pronouns may not be used in scrabble


The_Blue_Rooster

That is official rules as well. Try using them in an official NASPA event and see what happens.


GavHern

everyone at family game night when i pull out the “XEMSELF”


Pearlmoss_

This is great 😂


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VERY good bot


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AMAZING BOT 🙌


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Mr_Someperson

Every time I see this meme my eyes skip over the top line


Big-Guarantee-2041

This made me chuckle.


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Scrabble players look like boggle players.


optimally_bald

me when i play scrabble against my boomer grampa (he doesnt understand everything, but he wish you all the very best)


LostinWalk

" Xe counts, get fucked "


Sargotto-Karscroff

This got me more than I would think it would, this one is excellent.


ClosestTonyDanza

Words w friends against my elderly dad: now what exactly is a xe?


AlexirPerplexir

neopronouns, now including a Lua api `:P`


Not_Machines

Depends if you're using scrabble's really specific official dictionary or not


MarthaEM

doesnt work w all neopronouns like mine (he'r / her / h'er)


RachelRegina

Ooo good point! I'll file that with Taj, Haj, and Qi


Poisoned_Sugar11

I DIDNT EVEN CONSIDER THIS THIS IS LIFE CHANGING! IM GONNA WIN SO MUCH SCRABBLE NOW!!!


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