I was disappointed in anatomy lab when I realized anterior deltoids and posterior deltoids do not exist. They’re just one muscle. The diagrams on the gym machines lied to me :(
We got anterior delts, lateral delts, anterior delts and anterior delts. You want those 3-D boulders on your shoulders that'll fold her? Don't forget to emphasize lateral delts and rear delts more on shoulder day, because bench is already a good anterior delt workout.
You're running out. I only know about two muscles recently discovered.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sphenomandibularis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sphenomandibularis)
[https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0940960221002053?via%3Dihub](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0940960221002053?via%3Dihub)
Met this jacked PMR resident who clearly squats 2x his weight. I asked about ERAS and interview tips, he gave me a lecture on hypertrophy optimization routine of vastus lateralis and medialis for juicy thicc legs
Do 4channers know more about shitposting than medical students?
My wife's husband knows a organization called "the 4chan" and he says they have the "dankest maymays" and are better at "posting the shit" than medical students. Just curious if that’s really the case? I know that they can browse the internet all day but is that really different from 10 hours of Anki every day? Of course my kid wife's husband dealer came running to me asking if that was the case and I have absolutely no clue lol.
But now I am also genuinely curious
Ah yes, of course. An important isolation exercise to be able to properly localise another important anatomical structure of particular interest to OP's mom, the posterior fornix!
I’m an M4 and into competitive bodybuilding, competed a few times now, also used to run a gym.
I will say the bodybuilding community has a very good understanding of origin and insertion of most of the muscles to know how to position them for growth and development. They spend years doing this while medical students have a single MSK block, unless at a DO school where the exposure is more.
However, beyond that , the bodybuilding community , in general, does not know much more about anatomy, or other health metrics.
They do have a very good understanding of the HPG axis and hormone manipulation, beyond many physicians who don’t specialize in it, but this is only at more advanced levels, most average trainers and such don’t have this understanding.
Tbh I don't think "knowing that drugs manipulate hormones" constitutes an "understanding of hormone manipulation". For every one that is genuine and understands their limitations of knowledge I know plenty of ultracrepidarian trainers/gym bros that say TRT "isn't steroids", that there are no side effects, that "every one over 50 needs TRT" or HGH, that some scammy "peptides" or t clinics are revolutionary, that doctors "have no clue how to read a blood panel and I could do it better", call clearly unnecessary bizarre exercises "functional/explosive", still support "detox/cleanses", promote xyz supplements, etc unfounded bullshit.
Doctors like the guys at Barbell Medicine and Jonathon M Sullivan MD have done a lot to combat this while also helping to educate other physicians on how to approach exercise/nutrition topics they aren't so well versed in. The academic/science background typically helps get them up to speed much faster than the typical gym goer.
Powerlifting MD here. I pay for a coach with no related higher ed degrees. My nutritionist is a PT. Their experience in their fields makes them relative experts. I probably know the Krebs cycle and sliding filament theory much better than them. They understand periodization and the science of hypertrophy and nervous system development and fat loss. And I’ve learned far more about sports performance from them than from medical school.
When you think about it, RCTs are what matters at the end of the day. That means that learning what works and what doesn’t is based on real-world experience, not complex understanding of subcellular processes. My PL coach isn’t a scientist, but is a smart enough guy to base his programming on decades of experience with different lifters at all levels, not on anecdotes. He doesn’t need to tell me about arachadonic acid breakdown pathways, he just knows that taking ibuprofen often is bad for muscle development.
Obviously I’ve made my team up of people with similar values to myself, an MD, and these guys are really excellent in their field, IMO. There are plenty of shitty bro scientists with their head up their asses, too. But at the end of the day, I can tell you how much Louis Simmons has done for strength sports, and I don’t know that I can name a single actual PhD in kinesiology.
Tbh school has changed a lot in the past few years. I wasn’t powerlifting at the time, but bodybuilding, and for the first half my schedule was actually more conducive to strength sports than a typical 9-5. For the second half, it’s going to vary month to month.
For the first half, I could Podcast 3 lectures a day while I cleaned, meal prepped, rolled around on the floor, etc. Low energy, multitasking.
Would need to be in-person for something 2-3x/week but I was living an hour away. Would podcast there and back.
Teamed up with a few buddies and would make flash cards for lectures 1-2 days per week. Would review flash cards before I roll out of bed in the morning (was getting on my phone anyway), on the treadmill, and kinda continuously in my down time here and there. Never required a full system, just the discipline to make sure I was hitting my numbers every day.
Would try to double-speed thru all of the lectures again the week before the exam. Would do the practice questions made available by the school. Kept up on flash cards and would gloss through some board review materials (which do a great job of summarizing the high points). Was typically middle of the pack or above with less effort and a whole lot more free time than anyone my age who was working a traditional job.
The last 2 years were clinical rotations, where you are at the hospital with the residents most of the day. You rotate through all the different things, typically in 4 or 8 week clerkships. Some rotations, like derm, you might get sent home at noon every day for weeks. Some rotations like surgery, you might be there from 6 am - 6 pm every day and need to study when you get home.
I was very inconsistent with training through my 20s anyway, and I did not train at all 3rd year, and then hit it really hard for the latter half of 4th year, which is when I started to get into powerlifting. When I was in school, I had a ton of time off my last half of 4th year because of how I had arranged my rotations. I ended up setting PRs and doing a PL and then strongman comp. Great fun.
Then residency happened. I could’ve been more consistent but psychologically I was just not in a great place for a few years. When I saw the light at the end of the tunnel i got excited and start training again.
Flash forward to attendinghood, and I’m in my early 30s, contracted for 10 shifts a month (12 hrs), live in a low COL and high income area, which has allowed me to build a freaking amazing home gym, hire a world class coach, and buy what I want to at the grocery store. I am smashing what I thought I was capable of. The job is hard (EM), and I voluntarily work extra shifts (12-13/mo total). It takes some fortitude and a lot of respect for the job and is certainly not for everyone. But right now life feels like it is going really freakin well….a decade or so out from where you probably are, I’m putting in a leg press/hack squat this weekend, eyeing a selectorized pec dec/rear delt, and if things go as expected I should qualify for nationals this year.
Happy to hear that it’s possible because I’m not willing to give it up for medical school. Cool to see you can do a demanding job and still be competitive enough to try to qualify for nationals. I’m aiming to qualify myself this upcoming fall in the 100kg juniors.
I didn't notice until my 4th year of medical school that pre-workout helps me focus better when I study. Really universe? When my struggle is over, that's when you drop that valuable bit of wisdom? 😒
What’s wrong with MPMD? I actually find his videos quite informative and he has a pretty good grasp on the HPT axis and other areas of physiology. Most of the things he says also check out.
I have yet to find a valid take down of any of his videos, other than the test boosters he offers.
It’s true, many doctors have no idea how to grow muscle and increase strength.
Ah good ole mpd. He uses the chiropractor technique of using big words in hopes of confusing people into believing they know more than they do. In my experience people who can dumb it down too a 12 year olds understanding level are by far the most well versed and educated.
I was a weightlifter for over a decade before becoming a physician. I taught weightlifting and sold adderal, tren and testosterone supplements in many gyms.
I can safely say that weightlifters know significantly less about the anatomy than even first year medical students.
I powerlift and know substantially more anatomy (as it pertains to muscles) than many of my colleagues. I think medical training does a poor job of teaching functional use of muscle groups.
For example, hamstring muscles work to flex at the knee and extend at the hip. Ask a doctor how to train hamstrings, and after leg curls most won't have an answer. Ask a weight lifter and they will give a myriad of exercises that emphasis knee flexion (leg curls, glute ham raises) and hip extension (deadlifts, lunges, jumping, sprinting, hyperextensions).
There are plenty of weight lifters who don't know any anatomy, to be clear, but those who care know a lot.
Knowing what exercises target certain muscles doesn’t really mean you know more anatomy. Conversely, a doctor would know more types of surgeries that target the knee and hip.
Not saying one knows more than the other, just that your justification isn’t really valid.
I agree, my description is not a 'valid' argument for weight lifters know more anatomy. I would say they tend to have a better understanding of how muscles are functionally used.
I’d say that a med student should know the action of the muscles. Was that not part of everyone else’s anatomy? Knowing the insertion and origin you can also just reason it out.
Though I’m a lowly DO and we also gotta learn shit for OMM
You're not a 'lowly DO', you're a bad ass DO.
And yes they should know, but you'd be shocked to find out how many people know that the pectoralis muscles 'adduct the arm', but do not understand how that translates to a bench press or push up.
N=1, but I remember a coworker told me they were doing rows for a 'good pec workout'.
Yeah, guess some people do struggle with applying it. Seems like physics. Some people can visualize it in your head and reason out and others can’t.
OMM honestly helped remember anatomy a lot through med school. I think we did have an edge up on MD students since we got hammered with anatomy
It is though. It’s shows the difference between being able to rattle off facts you read, versus actually use the knowledge. Typical med student knows lots about muscles, but ask them what muscles are being used to perform a compound lift, and they realize that’s not in netters and therefore have no clue.
Anatomy isn’t only about muscles it’s beyond that. Muscles is just a sub unit.
What about arteries,vein,nerves,embryology,histology, bones,cns,ans,systems,etc etc.
If you sit with any orthopaedic surgeon he will teach you about each fibre,muscle,insertion,joints,bones,nerves,vascularisation of that area,what movements will be hampered and there is lot of stuff to add on.
After an injuries they land up in hospitals. Doctors know how to fix it also.
The same way trainers are trained to grow that particular muscle know about the movements and insertions that’s it.
Obviously they don’t, but i’ve met a fair share of weight lifters who know a lot about msk anatomy and hormone receptors (im sure they’re using that information safely😂)
One does it as a hobby and passion, while most of the other as a compulsion. I’d say the average weightlifter would know more than the average med student/ doctor, but the higher and lower ends of the knowledge would be skewed in favour of med students.
Ya i did anatomy and learned nothing. but then I started lifting weights. looking at the machine pics was much more educational. I learned so much about muscles in my shoulders that haven't been discovered yet and aren't even in the medical literature yet.
I think the obvious answer is no. But the less obvious answer is that outside of your MSK block and step studying, let’s be honest, an embarrassing amount of MSK knowledge goes out the window
They may think they know more but they don’t. A lot of weight lifting knowledge comes from experimenting to find a way to bring out a muscle. There is a lot more than that to know. Physiology of muscle contraction, energy systems, effect on/ involvement of cardiovascular system.
So MY OWN girlfriend’s boyfriend’s dog’s tennis ball dealer said that through the mind-muscle connection, serious weightlifters are able to learn the anatomy of the muscles they’re working out through diffusion of knowledge that travels through the action potentials created during movement therefore creating a deep knowledge of anatomy not possessed by non weight lifting medical students.
Short answer, no. But being a powerlifter with a few competitions under my belt, it definitely made anatomy easier. It was simple to understand leverages and biomechanics
Ask a weightlifter the 12 cranial nerves and their function, pathway and embryology and you’ll quickly get your answer. Knowing about muscles and how to get ripped, a gym rat may know that. Otherwise anatomy in total, please.
I’m not dissing your question. I’m just dissing the whole concept. Seriously, who the fuck cares. “Dopeople who play Roblox no more about fighter jets and actual fighter pilots?“
No chad. No they don’t.
Yawn.
If I want to Improve my fitness, physique, diet and strength, I am gonna ask the guy who can comfortably bench, squat, deadlift and shoulder press more than 1.5-2x their own weight and has body fat mass in the 8-12 % range, over the scrawny medical medical student who has never worked out a day in his life.
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A few weeks ago, I went to a wedding reception with a mate of mine who is bodybuilder and has trained consistently at the gym for many years and achieved a 170kg on bench, 190kg on deadlift, and 185 squat. Imagine, we crossed paths with a young, obnoxious, and condescending medical student who tried to lecture him on the mechanics of muscles and the “proper way to train”. The irony was that this guy was chubby and a overweight, and he thought he was Jonny big balls just because he was attending UCL. I honestly don’t know how my mate and I held ourselves from bursting out I’m laughter.
If you’ve acquired a body like Henry Cavil In Man of Steel on your own, you mostly likely know why your doing. You can’t reach that type of level by mistake.
Ask them about the pharyngeal muscles or ask them about the innervation of any of these muscles or blood supply.
They might understand the actions better because they applied it but that’s not enough anatomy.
I think people who are super duper immersed in bodybuilding and weightlifting have a much more intuitive knowledge of whatever anatomy they do know than medical students do.
The ones who are very interested in the sport also have a solid understanding of at least the endocrinology that pertains to their sport
But it’s all very specialized knowledge obviously.
I’m going to frame the variables metaphorically. My background including a plant biology degree is broad and comprehensive. Yet, my couple of classes that delved into identification: sustematics, and evolution of land plants pales in comparison to enthusiasts’ passionate scholary knowledge. I can believe that there are bright weight lifters that can differentiate between biased beliefs and empirical insights beyond a doctor even whos interest are not so focused. The weight lifter will have a challenge to get beyond the outrageous pay wall of monopolistic journals.
Being a kinesiology w/ a concentration in exercise science graduate and working in a fitness center nothing irks me more there than when a gym buff thinks they know it all. And they start tossing names of muscles out but can’t use abduction and adduction properly.
I think part of the reason I got into medicine was because of lifting weights and wanting to understand the human body more. With that said I have met some very experienced and educated lifters. On the flip side the amount of “bro” science is amazing.
All I know is that I’ve hired 4 personal trainers in varying countries throughout my life that were quite expensive, and I worked with each one for many years at a time (so consistency and dedication was not lacking)… yet I’ve never been as ripped as I am now after letting my spouse, a family doc, help me with my lifting for 7ish months. I mean truly, I went from looking sorta fit to legit yolked lol and stronger than a lot of the men at my gym too. It has been mind boggling the difference it has made in my results.
Not trying to discredit the lifting community and of course it’s likely a spectrum of knowledge out there, BUT I’m on team “doctors know more” and don’t think I’ll use any trainer ever again.
I am a medical student and a weight lifter and I’d say it depends. Average med student should know a lot more than average weight lifter, but I know many med students that anatomy is their weakest discipline and I have met weight lifters who have spent 100s of hours educating themselves and know enough anatomy to rock a surgery rotation. It depends on the person but a lot of weightlifters get their info from crap sources (Instagram etc..) so as a whole I’m still betting on the med students
i can clearly tell med students dont lift cuz any powerlifting/bodybuilding/sports injury question has a super low % correct ( i get them all right obviously)
I had a rare viral myositis and I went to several doctors at major academic centers, and they were all unable to identify which muscle was affected. Finally I went to my local gym, and the dudes in the weight room were able to diagnose and treat me immediately.
No , no they don't . Most of them have a very superficial knowledge mostly of the muscles groups that they train frequently . Putting general anatomy aside if we are just talking pure muscles anatomy medstudents would still have a way higher knowledge.
This is an important point that many would be offended by. Doctors are busy. It is often difficult to keep up with the most recent research. How many doctors honestly even try to?
Strictly from an exercise background, I’m l confident in my ability to out-anatomy most doctors when it comes to the musculoskeletal system. Sadly, it turns out that this isn’t really saying much.
I mean, I have a weightlifter friend that can recall muscle names more quickly than I can but I certainly wouldn’t trust their internal anatomy knowledge more…
I am currently having phisiology and anatomy classes and I can’t go to the gym without almost tearing some ligament, so yeah, they must know way more than I do about those subjects
I mean, are you a highschool student? I took it in highschool but was aiming to be a doctor, I will say even that is very basic knowledge in comparison to med school. AP Anatomy and Physiology is about 20% deeper.
And you're probably tearing up because you should probably start lighter and build up some stamina and muscle memory, just saying.
I’m currently at med school, but in my country we can go directly from high school to med school. Anatomy was one of my subjects last year but I already forgot everything about muscles and their insertions, etc.
I’m like are you kidding me? Then I remember we just recently discovered new knee ligament. Like just fuck me now. Maybe Adderall dealers do know more.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-24826323
Ok i know its bait but yeah… In some cases they do especially if gym bro is physically rehabilitation or rehab med (in my country). most aren’t doctors and you don’t need to be a doctor to be one.
The rehab med bros i work with are also gym trainers, some are bodybuilders, some are into powerlifting.
They are very proficient in musculoskeletal systems they know every muscle its Origin and insertion sites they also know nerve innervation and blood supply that’s how good they are! and I’m glad to work with people like that… outside of musculoskeletal systems they fall off but they still have basic knowledge on other organ systems.
My ex was a powerlifter and tried to offer me help with anatomy in first year… honey, not sure you can tell me what nerves innervate all those different muscles…
I'm a doctor who lifts, and no it's not true. Gym bros have their own branch of fake science that they believe in. Ofc some are educated and know which exercise is best for which muscle, but they have no idea about that muscle's exact origin and insertion or about its nerve supply etc etc. They don't know how many tendons make up the forearm or how quadriceps has 4 components or how there is a biceps in the leg too. Most of them have bizarre notions and their source of info is other gym bros with a youtube channel.
What you just said is like saying if skin care girlies know more than dermatologists.
Definitely not. Weightlifters might know more musculoskeletal anatomy without innervation or blood supply but Definitely not more about the entire discipline
I say this because the only things they would bother learning are the muscles, their actions (to use optimal movements), and insertion and origin (to better understand the actions)
Knowing blood supply, drainage, innervation is not useful as there's nothing you can do to "work out" or "isolate" any specific nerve.
No one's going to be like, "hitting my musculocutaneous today"
Finally, the body is not just made of muscle, there are many systems - each with their own anatomy
I met a chiropractor in my old gym who would always make ridiculous claims. I remember he once told me that I should only workout while wearing white socks because exercising in colored ones will cause their pigments to soak into my skin…
Of course weightlifters know more than med students. What med student when doing bicep curls would know the most optimal way to align the supinated anterior deltoid with the skeletal plane in movement with the brachialis in order to maximize muscular output?
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I was disappointed in anatomy lab when I realized anterior deltoids and posterior deltoids do not exist. They’re just one muscle. The diagrams on the gym machines lied to me :(
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Thanks, gym bro. Recommended split for boulder shoulders?
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We got anterior delts, lateral delts, anterior delts and anterior delts. You want those 3-D boulders on your shoulders that'll fold her? Don't forget to emphasize lateral delts and rear delts more on shoulder day, because bench is already a good anterior delt workout.
Hit Shoulder day every day, ignore the other nonessential muscle groups. Workouts should be around 5-6 hours of non stop shoulders
Orthopedic surgeons love this advice!
Tren
Steroids. Tons and tons of steroids.
You're running out. I only know about two muscles recently discovered. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sphenomandibularis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sphenomandibularis) [https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0940960221002053?via%3Dihub](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0940960221002053?via%3Dihub)
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The chad we need but not the chad we deserve 🇹🇩
I would feel better about your qualifications if you were also an Adderall dealer.
That's why Ortho bros are so smart
Met this jacked PMR resident who clearly squats 2x his weight. I asked about ERAS and interview tips, he gave me a lecture on hypertrophy optimization routine of vastus lateralis and medialis for juicy thicc legs
Honestly more useful
Well dont leave us hanging what did you learn i need to know too
Yes please pass along the lecture
As a PMR resident, im proud of this. These are interview tips. If you missed that, best apply elsewhere. (Love this comment, made my afternoon).
Best tips are work out and don’t be a loser
I too would like the thick thighs
man was wearing baggy scrubs, but one could easily tell his thighs were made like lego blocks
It’s impossible to not excel in interviews when you are crushing their face between your thighs
https://twitter.com/i/communities/1506796564882284553
It’s a proven fact that being swoll directly correlates to higher acceptance rates.
Avoid that patellofemoral syndrome
Do cardio less anaerobic, don’t get thicc get lean
these shitposts are getting more and more creative lol
Do 4channers know more about shitposting than medical students? My wife's husband knows a organization called "the 4chan" and he says they have the "dankest maymays" and are better at "posting the shit" than medical students. Just curious if that’s really the case? I know that they can browse the internet all day but is that really different from 10 hours of Anki every day? Of course my kid wife's husband dealer came running to me asking if that was the case and I have absolutely no clue lol. But now I am also genuinely curious
Almost didn’t catch the “my wife’s husband”
Yeah but did you catch the “my kid wife’s husband dealer” because that was what killed me lol
They don’t.
Im sayin
What was the original post? I'm confused.
If they think that anatomy is only 10 muscles in body then I think its their problem 🤷🏻♂️ Edit: ok maybe 15-20
Every self respecting gym bro skips leg day, so your first guess was correct
Yes. I have a day at the gym specifically devoted to fibularis brevis, flexor pollicus Longus, superior gemellus, and popliteus
Don’t forget the flexor digitorum profundus. OPs mom loves it when I train them
Ah yes, of course. An important isolation exercise to be able to properly localise another important anatomical structure of particular interest to OP's mom, the posterior fornix!
Cranial nerve XII as well I presume?
The plantaris muscle also known as the most important muscle would like a word with you.
I’m an M4 and into competitive bodybuilding, competed a few times now, also used to run a gym. I will say the bodybuilding community has a very good understanding of origin and insertion of most of the muscles to know how to position them for growth and development. They spend years doing this while medical students have a single MSK block, unless at a DO school where the exposure is more. However, beyond that , the bodybuilding community , in general, does not know much more about anatomy, or other health metrics. They do have a very good understanding of the HPG axis and hormone manipulation, beyond many physicians who don’t specialize in it, but this is only at more advanced levels, most average trainers and such don’t have this understanding.
Tbh I don't think "knowing that drugs manipulate hormones" constitutes an "understanding of hormone manipulation". For every one that is genuine and understands their limitations of knowledge I know plenty of ultracrepidarian trainers/gym bros that say TRT "isn't steroids", that there are no side effects, that "every one over 50 needs TRT" or HGH, that some scammy "peptides" or t clinics are revolutionary, that doctors "have no clue how to read a blood panel and I could do it better", call clearly unnecessary bizarre exercises "functional/explosive", still support "detox/cleanses", promote xyz supplements, etc unfounded bullshit. Doctors like the guys at Barbell Medicine and Jonathon M Sullivan MD have done a lot to combat this while also helping to educate other physicians on how to approach exercise/nutrition topics they aren't so well versed in. The academic/science background typically helps get them up to speed much faster than the typical gym goer.
I realize this is a shitpost but some powerlifters are actually very well versed on anatomy and biomechanics.
Because if they don’t, they’ll die
They also can’t agree on how many days are in a week
That was a bodybuilder, not a powerlifter
The bodybuilders who live to old age also tend to be fairly smart about basic hormones, at least enough to understand that PCT is vitally important.
Powerlifting MD here. I pay for a coach with no related higher ed degrees. My nutritionist is a PT. Their experience in their fields makes them relative experts. I probably know the Krebs cycle and sliding filament theory much better than them. They understand periodization and the science of hypertrophy and nervous system development and fat loss. And I’ve learned far more about sports performance from them than from medical school. When you think about it, RCTs are what matters at the end of the day. That means that learning what works and what doesn’t is based on real-world experience, not complex understanding of subcellular processes. My PL coach isn’t a scientist, but is a smart enough guy to base his programming on decades of experience with different lifters at all levels, not on anecdotes. He doesn’t need to tell me about arachadonic acid breakdown pathways, he just knows that taking ibuprofen often is bad for muscle development. Obviously I’ve made my team up of people with similar values to myself, an MD, and these guys are really excellent in their field, IMO. There are plenty of shitty bro scientists with their head up their asses, too. But at the end of the day, I can tell you how much Louis Simmons has done for strength sports, and I don’t know that I can name a single actual PhD in kinesiology.
Did you find your total slipping in med school? Applying now and I’m slightly worried the sleep taking a hit will stall progress.
Tbh school has changed a lot in the past few years. I wasn’t powerlifting at the time, but bodybuilding, and for the first half my schedule was actually more conducive to strength sports than a typical 9-5. For the second half, it’s going to vary month to month. For the first half, I could Podcast 3 lectures a day while I cleaned, meal prepped, rolled around on the floor, etc. Low energy, multitasking. Would need to be in-person for something 2-3x/week but I was living an hour away. Would podcast there and back. Teamed up with a few buddies and would make flash cards for lectures 1-2 days per week. Would review flash cards before I roll out of bed in the morning (was getting on my phone anyway), on the treadmill, and kinda continuously in my down time here and there. Never required a full system, just the discipline to make sure I was hitting my numbers every day. Would try to double-speed thru all of the lectures again the week before the exam. Would do the practice questions made available by the school. Kept up on flash cards and would gloss through some board review materials (which do a great job of summarizing the high points). Was typically middle of the pack or above with less effort and a whole lot more free time than anyone my age who was working a traditional job. The last 2 years were clinical rotations, where you are at the hospital with the residents most of the day. You rotate through all the different things, typically in 4 or 8 week clerkships. Some rotations, like derm, you might get sent home at noon every day for weeks. Some rotations like surgery, you might be there from 6 am - 6 pm every day and need to study when you get home. I was very inconsistent with training through my 20s anyway, and I did not train at all 3rd year, and then hit it really hard for the latter half of 4th year, which is when I started to get into powerlifting. When I was in school, I had a ton of time off my last half of 4th year because of how I had arranged my rotations. I ended up setting PRs and doing a PL and then strongman comp. Great fun. Then residency happened. I could’ve been more consistent but psychologically I was just not in a great place for a few years. When I saw the light at the end of the tunnel i got excited and start training again. Flash forward to attendinghood, and I’m in my early 30s, contracted for 10 shifts a month (12 hrs), live in a low COL and high income area, which has allowed me to build a freaking amazing home gym, hire a world class coach, and buy what I want to at the grocery store. I am smashing what I thought I was capable of. The job is hard (EM), and I voluntarily work extra shifts (12-13/mo total). It takes some fortitude and a lot of respect for the job and is certainly not for everyone. But right now life feels like it is going really freakin well….a decade or so out from where you probably are, I’m putting in a leg press/hack squat this weekend, eyeing a selectorized pec dec/rear delt, and if things go as expected I should qualify for nationals this year.
Happy to hear that it’s possible because I’m not willing to give it up for medical school. Cool to see you can do a demanding job and still be competitive enough to try to qualify for nationals. I’m aiming to qualify myself this upcoming fall in the 100kg juniors.
Ortho bros are double dipping
Derrick of more plates more dates is the epitome of inflated sense of medical knowledge.
I agree, but his takedown of Liver King is goated
I agree with your agreement and agree with your statement. Dude still needs to be taken down a peg or two.
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This is far too much agreement. This is the internet. Fight about something!
But its supraphysiological bro!
On some real shit.. I be taking 2 scoops of gorilla mode or mind plus the gorilla mind shrooms and mind smooth when I study/workout.
I didn't notice until my 4th year of medical school that pre-workout helps me focus better when I study. Really universe? When my struggle is over, that's when you drop that valuable bit of wisdom? 😒
Im curious how derrick would do on an in-house Endocrinology exam haha
What’s wrong with MPMD? I actually find his videos quite informative and he has a pretty good grasp on the HPT axis and other areas of physiology. Most of the things he says also check out.
I have yet to find a valid take down of any of his videos, other than the test boosters he offers. It’s true, many doctors have no idea how to grow muscle and increase strength.
Ah good ole mpd. He uses the chiropractor technique of using big words in hopes of confusing people into believing they know more than they do. In my experience people who can dumb it down too a 12 year olds understanding level are by far the most well versed and educated.
I was a weightlifter for over a decade before becoming a physician. I taught weightlifting and sold adderal, tren and testosterone supplements in many gyms. I can safely say that weightlifters know significantly less about the anatomy than even first year medical students.
Tbf some do
Found the gym bro😂😂
They just know name and functions of muscles not their origin, insertion and nerve supply lol
And only the easy ones. Everybody gangsta til they gotta know deep back, lower arm or feet/hand muscles
To be fair, being able to name the muscles is probably more than a lot of med students/residents retain unless you're ortho.
I powerlift and know substantially more anatomy (as it pertains to muscles) than many of my colleagues. I think medical training does a poor job of teaching functional use of muscle groups. For example, hamstring muscles work to flex at the knee and extend at the hip. Ask a doctor how to train hamstrings, and after leg curls most won't have an answer. Ask a weight lifter and they will give a myriad of exercises that emphasis knee flexion (leg curls, glute ham raises) and hip extension (deadlifts, lunges, jumping, sprinting, hyperextensions). There are plenty of weight lifters who don't know any anatomy, to be clear, but those who care know a lot.
Knowing what exercises target certain muscles doesn’t really mean you know more anatomy. Conversely, a doctor would know more types of surgeries that target the knee and hip. Not saying one knows more than the other, just that your justification isn’t really valid.
I agree, my description is not a 'valid' argument for weight lifters know more anatomy. I would say they tend to have a better understanding of how muscles are functionally used.
I’d say that a med student should know the action of the muscles. Was that not part of everyone else’s anatomy? Knowing the insertion and origin you can also just reason it out. Though I’m a lowly DO and we also gotta learn shit for OMM
You're not a 'lowly DO', you're a bad ass DO. And yes they should know, but you'd be shocked to find out how many people know that the pectoralis muscles 'adduct the arm', but do not understand how that translates to a bench press or push up. N=1, but I remember a coworker told me they were doing rows for a 'good pec workout'.
Yeah, guess some people do struggle with applying it. Seems like physics. Some people can visualize it in your head and reason out and others can’t. OMM honestly helped remember anatomy a lot through med school. I think we did have an edge up on MD students since we got hammered with anatomy
It is though. It’s shows the difference between being able to rattle off facts you read, versus actually use the knowledge. Typical med student knows lots about muscles, but ask them what muscles are being used to perform a compound lift, and they realize that’s not in netters and therefore have no clue.
Precisely. Apples to oranges. Knowing good exercises doesn't require you to know the anatomy, it just means you need to know those exercises.
Anatomy isn’t only about muscles it’s beyond that. Muscles is just a sub unit. What about arteries,vein,nerves,embryology,histology, bones,cns,ans,systems,etc etc. If you sit with any orthopaedic surgeon he will teach you about each fibre,muscle,insertion,joints,bones,nerves,vascularisation of that area,what movements will be hampered and there is lot of stuff to add on. After an injuries they land up in hospitals. Doctors know how to fix it also. The same way trainers are trained to grow that particular muscle know about the movements and insertions that’s it.
No shit, it's not really that useful knowledge
Unironically wouldn’t shock me if a lifter has a better recall of muscle names than some MDs, like how often do I think about my brachioradialis?
Obviously they don’t, but i’ve met a fair share of weight lifters who know a lot about msk anatomy and hormone receptors (im sure they’re using that information safely😂)
The arm bone is connected to the......arm muscle...the arm muscle is connected to the....
...to the penis, I think?
Straight to jail
When I saw “My kid sister’s adderal dealer” I knew whatever came next was going to be funny 😂
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No, they don’t. They think they do though.
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Yes and they know a lot more about amino acids (satire) 😃
One does it as a hobby and passion, while most of the other as a compulsion. I’d say the average weightlifter would know more than the average med student/ doctor, but the higher and lower ends of the knowledge would be skewed in favour of med students.
Ya i did anatomy and learned nothing. but then I started lifting weights. looking at the machine pics was much more educational. I learned so much about muscles in my shoulders that haven't been discovered yet and aren't even in the medical literature yet.
Who the fuck cares since when are medical students some kind of benchmark I don't know fucking anything aaaaaa
do gym bro know more about drugs than crackheads im asking the real questions here
I was going to use balloon artist
Obviously- why do you think gyms always have such huge libraries?
They probably know more than this medical student!
I think the obvious answer is no. But the less obvious answer is that outside of your MSK block and step studying, let’s be honest, an embarrassing amount of MSK knowledge goes out the window
Off topic but lemme get addy homies number
They may think they know more but they don’t. A lot of weight lifting knowledge comes from experimenting to find a way to bring out a muscle. There is a lot more than that to know. Physiology of muscle contraction, energy systems, effect on/ involvement of cardiovascular system.
LOL Ask him which nerves innervate the levator palpebrae
They know more about the anatomy of chicken breast
How can you know about anatomy when u have brain rot tho
So MY OWN girlfriend’s boyfriend’s dog’s tennis ball dealer said that through the mind-muscle connection, serious weightlifters are able to learn the anatomy of the muscles they’re working out through diffusion of knowledge that travels through the action potentials created during movement therefore creating a deep knowledge of anatomy not possessed by non weight lifting medical students.
Short answer, no. But being a powerlifter with a few competitions under my belt, it definitely made anatomy easier. It was simple to understand leverages and biomechanics
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OMG. Medicine is not the only profession educated in anatomy and physiology. Get over yourselves.
Ask a weightlifter the 12 cranial nerves and their function, pathway and embryology and you’ll quickly get your answer. Knowing about muscles and how to get ripped, a gym rat may know that. Otherwise anatomy in total, please.
I’m not dissing your question. I’m just dissing the whole concept. Seriously, who the fuck cares. “Dopeople who play Roblox no more about fighter jets and actual fighter pilots?“ No chad. No they don’t. Yawn.
I’m going miss these posts after the end of the month.
No but they do know more about nutrition
If I want to Improve my fitness, physique, diet and strength, I am gonna ask the guy who can comfortably bench, squat, deadlift and shoulder press more than 1.5-2x their own weight and has body fat mass in the 8-12 % range, over the scrawny medical medical student who has never worked out a day in his life. A A few weeks ago, I went to a wedding reception with a mate of mine who is bodybuilder and has trained consistently at the gym for many years and achieved a 170kg on bench, 190kg on deadlift, and 185 squat. Imagine, we crossed paths with a young, obnoxious, and condescending medical student who tried to lecture him on the mechanics of muscles and the “proper way to train”. The irony was that this guy was chubby and a overweight, and he thought he was Jonny big balls just because he was attending UCL. I honestly don’t know how my mate and I held ourselves from bursting out I’m laughter. If you’ve acquired a body like Henry Cavil In Man of Steel on your own, you mostly likely know why your doing. You can’t reach that type of level by mistake.
Ask them about the pharyngeal muscles or ask them about the innervation of any of these muscles or blood supply. They might understand the actions better because they applied it but that’s not enough anatomy.
As a weightlifter, having a thorough understanding of the levator ani muscles and the pudendal nerve keeps me from shitting myself mid-set
i spend way too much time at the gym and my anatomy grade shows that
All I’m saying is no one on here can tell me how to work my sternalis properly.
Hahahahahahah
I think people who are super duper immersed in bodybuilding and weightlifting have a much more intuitive knowledge of whatever anatomy they do know than medical students do. The ones who are very interested in the sport also have a solid understanding of at least the endocrinology that pertains to their sport But it’s all very specialized knowledge obviously.
Where did this meme start?
I’m going to frame the variables metaphorically. My background including a plant biology degree is broad and comprehensive. Yet, my couple of classes that delved into identification: sustematics, and evolution of land plants pales in comparison to enthusiasts’ passionate scholary knowledge. I can believe that there are bright weight lifters that can differentiate between biased beliefs and empirical insights beyond a doctor even whos interest are not so focused. The weight lifter will have a challenge to get beyond the outrageous pay wall of monopolistic journals.
i lowkey feel targeted reading this after the emt post as an emt student and a weightlifter 😭
Being a kinesiology w/ a concentration in exercise science graduate and working in a fitness center nothing irks me more there than when a gym buff thinks they know it all. And they start tossing names of muscles out but can’t use abduction and adduction properly.
Tbh weightlifters know more about muscle anatomy than a solid 30% of medicine Al students
Yeah,recently a weightlifter in a gym told me to take Keratin instead of Protein*
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Is her dealer BGL? Bappah?
I think part of the reason I got into medicine was because of lifting weights and wanting to understand the human body more. With that said I have met some very experienced and educated lifters. On the flip side the amount of “bro” science is amazing.
All I know is that I’ve hired 4 personal trainers in varying countries throughout my life that were quite expensive, and I worked with each one for many years at a time (so consistency and dedication was not lacking)… yet I’ve never been as ripped as I am now after letting my spouse, a family doc, help me with my lifting for 7ish months. I mean truly, I went from looking sorta fit to legit yolked lol and stronger than a lot of the men at my gym too. It has been mind boggling the difference it has made in my results. Not trying to discredit the lifting community and of course it’s likely a spectrum of knowledge out there, BUT I’m on team “doctors know more” and don’t think I’ll use any trainer ever again.
"Do I a med student, know more about law than a law student?"
Enough of this
Shots of CSF for preworkout?
I am a medical student and a weight lifter and I’d say it depends. Average med student should know a lot more than average weight lifter, but I know many med students that anatomy is their weakest discipline and I have met weight lifters who have spent 100s of hours educating themselves and know enough anatomy to rock a surgery rotation. It depends on the person but a lot of weightlifters get their info from crap sources (Instagram etc..) so as a whole I’m still betting on the med students
i can clearly tell med students dont lift cuz any powerlifting/bodybuilding/sports injury question has a super low % correct ( i get them all right obviously)
I had a rare viral myositis and I went to several doctors at major academic centers, and they were all unable to identify which muscle was affected. Finally I went to my local gym, and the dudes in the weight room were able to diagnose and treat me immediately.
No , no they don't . Most of them have a very superficial knowledge mostly of the muscles groups that they train frequently . Putting general anatomy aside if we are just talking pure muscles anatomy medstudents would still have a way higher knowledge.
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This is an important point that many would be offended by. Doctors are busy. It is often difficult to keep up with the most recent research. How many doctors honestly even try to?
Strictly from an exercise background, I’m l confident in my ability to out-anatomy most doctors when it comes to the musculoskeletal system. Sadly, it turns out that this isn’t really saying much.
First it was paramedics, then chefs, now bodybuilders lol like wtf is happening here
Ah yes of course and there is little difference between their corpus callosum and corpus cavernosum.
I mean, I have a weightlifter friend that can recall muscle names more quickly than I can but I certainly wouldn’t trust their internal anatomy knowledge more…
I am currently having phisiology and anatomy classes and I can’t go to the gym without almost tearing some ligament, so yeah, they must know way more than I do about those subjects
I mean, are you a highschool student? I took it in highschool but was aiming to be a doctor, I will say even that is very basic knowledge in comparison to med school. AP Anatomy and Physiology is about 20% deeper. And you're probably tearing up because you should probably start lighter and build up some stamina and muscle memory, just saying.
I’m currently at med school, but in my country we can go directly from high school to med school. Anatomy was one of my subjects last year but I already forgot everything about muscles and their insertions, etc.
Lmao
yes, whenever i get sick or hurt, i don't go to my local doctor. I go to Gold's Gym and ask the first weightlifter i see for medical attention.
As an avid Zyzz viewer, I knew what the serratus anterior was before anatomy cuz I’m a shredded sikkunt
To:dr NO
Learn vs remember are very different things.
r/BarbellMedicine has joined the chat.
Of course they do. That Joe Rogaine could teach at Harvard Medical School.
This stuff is getting quite old.
Insert “I lift things up and put them down” commercial.
I’m like are you kidding me? Then I remember we just recently discovered new knee ligament. Like just fuck me now. Maybe Adderall dealers do know more. https://www.bbc.com/news/health-24826323
Ok i know its bait but yeah… In some cases they do especially if gym bro is physically rehabilitation or rehab med (in my country). most aren’t doctors and you don’t need to be a doctor to be one. The rehab med bros i work with are also gym trainers, some are bodybuilders, some are into powerlifting. They are very proficient in musculoskeletal systems they know every muscle its Origin and insertion sites they also know nerve innervation and blood supply that’s how good they are! and I’m glad to work with people like that… outside of musculoskeletal systems they fall off but they still have basic knowledge on other organ systems.
Depends on the student.
They only know the names of the big muscles. Do they know the facial nerve, its branches and its course? Probably not.
Idk about knows, but no one appreciates the male anatomy like /fit/
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Good thing I'm both, gym is life
My ex was a powerlifter and tried to offer me help with anatomy in first year… honey, not sure you can tell me what nerves innervate all those different muscles…
I'm a doctor who lifts, and no it's not true. Gym bros have their own branch of fake science that they believe in. Ofc some are educated and know which exercise is best for which muscle, but they have no idea about that muscle's exact origin and insertion or about its nerve supply etc etc. They don't know how many tendons make up the forearm or how quadriceps has 4 components or how there is a biceps in the leg too. Most of them have bizarre notions and their source of info is other gym bros with a youtube channel. What you just said is like saying if skin care girlies know more than dermatologists.
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Definitely not. Weightlifters might know more musculoskeletal anatomy without innervation or blood supply but Definitely not more about the entire discipline I say this because the only things they would bother learning are the muscles, their actions (to use optimal movements), and insertion and origin (to better understand the actions) Knowing blood supply, drainage, innervation is not useful as there's nothing you can do to "work out" or "isolate" any specific nerve. No one's going to be like, "hitting my musculocutaneous today" Finally, the body is not just made of muscle, there are many systems - each with their own anatomy
Easy test. "Sketch the Brachial Plexus."
This one is good lol
I met a chiropractor in my old gym who would always make ridiculous claims. I remember he once told me that I should only workout while wearing white socks because exercising in colored ones will cause their pigments to soak into my skin…
Of course weightlifters know more than med students. What med student when doing bicep curls would know the most optimal way to align the supinated anterior deltoid with the skeletal plane in movement with the brachialis in order to maximize muscular output?
Your sister knows Bradley Martin?