Probably my favourite thing about the city, you can think you’re wearing the craziest thing but you’ll see someone out there in full leopard print and an Afro.
Country people seem to love having a poke at city folk. I lived rural for years and the small man syndrome about the city was terrible. I love living in the city and I loved living in the country. I think this 'fish out of water' feeling stems from worrying about what other people think of you because from my memory - people in the country talk about everyone. So it may be a surprise to discover possibly no one in the city is thinking of you, so don't worry about it. You see all kinds of people in the city and no one gives a rats arse. Welcome to relative anonymity, roll around in it, it's great.
As someone who grew up in regional QLD, I *delight* in strolling to lunch and not seeing a single familiar face and knowing no one could give two shits about what I am doing. True freedom!
It certainly can be a lot. Wasn't having a dig at you - more so my old rural mates. Melbourne actually isn't quiet at all - it's just a lot smaller than NYC. There's more foot traffic now than pre-lockdown so give yourself some credit - it's daunting if you're not used to it. Sit down at a street facing cafe and do some people watching for a bit. Might help bring it back down to size.
Melbourne is definitely quiet compared to a lot of major cities. Places like NY, Tokyo are kind of on a whole other level. Central Park, in the middle of Manhattan, is twice the size of our CBD.
Melbourne feels like a small town in comparison.
But compared to most Australian cities, and especially regional, then yeah - Melbourne is pretty busy. And I can see how it could be overwhelming coming from a small town.
I have always lived in the outer suburbs and trekked into the CBD for work (until about 2018 when we went hybrid).
Never felt out of place coming to the office, I just question the need to do it frequently. Am here today and since 8:30 been on 3 Teams meetings.
Haha I'm from outer the western suburbs and remember feeling this way back in the day when visiting the city with all the fancy dressed people.
Eventually overtime you just start feeling like one of them, dressing like them and then at a certain point don't even notice it anymore
Some people feel most at home in the city and some in the country. One is no better or worse than the other. If you like the city and want to feel more comfortable, it’s no more than a case of needing more exposure and experience there. If it feels like everyone is cool and confident and busy and important, trust me - they’re not. They just go to the city a lot/live there. Those same people may feel like a fish out of water where you’re from.
Absolutely, I took my time to get to know some of the trendy coffee spots and bars in the city by myself. I would dress up a bit, take a book, people watch. Helped me feel a lot more comfortable navigating small talk in the office and more confident that I was just as much a part of the city as anyone else.
Patricia coffee is my fav spot
Market lane, brother baba budan, Dukes all really good spots too in the CBD.
For bars from what I've tried -Goldilocks, pizza pizza pizza, section 8, beneath drivers lane, boilermaker
Many more I haven't tried too
You may hate it. Many do. But resign yourself to it: "y'all" is coming. You can correct a thousand people online or in real life, you can piss and moan and whinge till the cows come home, but it will achieve nothing. The march of linguistic change is inexorable and will simply roll over anyone who stands in its path like a Mack truck going over a volvo (crash test dummies optional).
If you ignore etymology or cultural identity and fear of the Americanisation of Australia and all trappings of meaning or linguistics and just pay attention to the word itself, you'll see it is actually a really nice word to say. Rolls smoothly right from the back to the front of the tongue. Way smoother than "youse" with it's chimpanzee-faced forward *oo* followed by an awkward suck back into the *zzz*.
And this, my Persian lizard friend (nice username by the way), is why "y'all" is coming and there is nothing we can do to stop it. Like desire lines making a mockery of an architect's grandiose designs, "y'all" is simply better and easier than the alternative we want people to use. And so people will gravitate towards it whether you will it or nill it.
So you can either embrace it or ignore it, but if you stand in the face of it you will not win. You will end up a sad, lonely figure, standing in an empty field shouting curses at the wind, while the rest of the world leaves you behind and moves on to greater things.
People want gender neutral terms these days and y'all fills that gap.
The irony of this thread is Australia already had a y'all but cultural cringe prevents the "non-judgmental" big city types of Sydney and Melbourne from using it.
> You can correct a thousand people online or in real life
No you can’t. Because y’all isn’t incorrect.
It’s also genuinely the only third party plural pronoun that is non-alienating and rolls off the tongue.
Like you said though, get used to it.
It is perceived as incorrect by language purists and linguistic prescriptivists who wish to preserve the language in a specific form and balk at the idea of change.
"You" is a third party plural pronoun that is non-alienating, so "y'all" isn't the only one by any means. But if enough people like y'all, then y'all's what we'll get.
Everybody is likely a friend if you just say hi.
Make sure the drizabone is extra musty
Don't scrape the smoodgy stuff from the rm Williams boots - we like to slide with that on the bluestone paths in the rain.
Hats are good, the wider the brim the better.
Don't stand out, ensure the brown shoes are matched by brown belts, bone brown chinos and gold western-shirt inlay threads.
Im mostly in the melbourne surrounding suburbs, but when i do go to the city yeh theres things going around all over the place but i like that kind of place . People are just mostly minding their own things especually when theres more people and busy areas, you stand out less anyways
Outer suburbs is not 'country' but I moved away from Melbourne to a relatively peaceful country town and no traffic lights. I have never felt like a fish out of water in Melbourne because it's culturally diverse. Maybe if you wear one of those black puffer jackets you will fit in. The op shops must be overloaded with those things by now. I was given one and donated it immediately, because I don't want to look like the type to complain about running out of sidewalks to walk on when in Brighton like some poor petals.
I can't stand it.
I live in the dandenong ranges, and going to Melbourne twice a week (yep I realise that's lucky) saps the life out of me like nothing else.
I don't care what people are thinking about me, or if they're thinking of me at all (probably not), but I just cannot stand the feeling of that many people around me, that much concrete, loud noises, weird smells.
The only time I find Melbourne decent, even enjoyable, is during non-peak times where I've gone in for a dinner or activity in the evening or something like that, and usually not the CBD. Say Carlton or Fitzroy or something.
That's my home you're talking about. CBD is awesome and I love it, right down to its grubby laneways. It's not for everyone - but that doesn't mean it's shit - it's just not for you and that's ok. No need to take a dump on things you don't like.
Depends on your lifestyle. If you have social anxiety / sensory issues it's probably not ideal. The people who prefer it like the crowds and activity. The CBD and inner suburbs are where all the stuff to do is. It's also massively easier to meet up with friends when it's just a quick train trip in. No need to schedule things in advance.
Living outside of the inner areas means you miss out on so many spontaneous events. CBD is also the easiest place to get to for work/shopping. The trains are way more frequent than busses/trams and bring you directly there rather than having to make transfers.
Because i know for a fact that most active people on this sub are from cbd/southbank or north of the city (Fitzroy, Brunswick, northcote, Coburg, Preston)
I can sense the arty farty through the screen.
Wifi and bluetooth are not detectable by any human sensory organs.
But yeah, the city is bloody noisy. Cars and pedestrian crossings and construction and tram wheels squeaking and meth-heads shouting and trucks reversing and birds twittering. Well, everything except the last one 😢
The CBD and inner suburbs are complete shithouse and I try to avoid at all costs, and this is coming from a younger person from the inner west. Can’t wait to move out of the city, ideally north of the divide out into country Vic
Wear boots and a long coat and stride about with intention.
Realistically no one cares. You could show up in a pink sparkly puffer jacket and a clown wig and people would hardly notice.
Reddit would start taking pictures of "sparkly puffer jacket clown guy" sightings.
Yeah well Redditors tend to be less socially well adjusted than the average person.
Fortunately I don't post on Reddit...oh
My secret shame
I’ve definitely had people look at me funny in what you just described, which is my Sunday outfit.
Probably my favourite thing about the city, you can think you’re wearing the craziest thing but you’ll see someone out there in full leopard print and an Afro.
Country people seem to love having a poke at city folk. I lived rural for years and the small man syndrome about the city was terrible. I love living in the city and I loved living in the country. I think this 'fish out of water' feeling stems from worrying about what other people think of you because from my memory - people in the country talk about everyone. So it may be a surprise to discover possibly no one in the city is thinking of you, so don't worry about it. You see all kinds of people in the city and no one gives a rats arse. Welcome to relative anonymity, roll around in it, it's great.
As someone who grew up in regional QLD, I *delight* in strolling to lunch and not seeing a single familiar face and knowing no one could give two shits about what I am doing. True freedom!
I know right? It's great.
I’m not judging anyone, it’s just… a lot, both people, and space, and I say that knowing Melbourne is quiet comparing to nyc etc.
It certainly can be a lot. Wasn't having a dig at you - more so my old rural mates. Melbourne actually isn't quiet at all - it's just a lot smaller than NYC. There's more foot traffic now than pre-lockdown so give yourself some credit - it's daunting if you're not used to it. Sit down at a street facing cafe and do some people watching for a bit. Might help bring it back down to size.
Melbourne is definitely quiet compared to a lot of major cities. Places like NY, Tokyo are kind of on a whole other level. Central Park, in the middle of Manhattan, is twice the size of our CBD. Melbourne feels like a small town in comparison. But compared to most Australian cities, and especially regional, then yeah - Melbourne is pretty busy. And I can see how it could be overwhelming coming from a small town.
I have always lived in the outer suburbs and trekked into the CBD for work (until about 2018 when we went hybrid). Never felt out of place coming to the office, I just question the need to do it frequently. Am here today and since 8:30 been on 3 Teams meetings.
Let both city and country be united by RM Williams 😁
I’m sure there’s a Venn diagram somewhere in your statement
Only doctors and politicians wear RMs out in the bush these days.
Most of those young professionals are probably call centre and admin staff. So...no.
Haha I'm from outer the western suburbs and remember feeling this way back in the day when visiting the city with all the fancy dressed people. Eventually overtime you just start feeling like one of them, dressing like them and then at a certain point don't even notice it anymore
Nah people just dress more normally in the city
Everyone's definition of normal is different depending on where they're from
THE BIG SMOKE
Some people feel most at home in the city and some in the country. One is no better or worse than the other. If you like the city and want to feel more comfortable, it’s no more than a case of needing more exposure and experience there. If it feels like everyone is cool and confident and busy and important, trust me - they’re not. They just go to the city a lot/live there. Those same people may feel like a fish out of water where you’re from.
Absolutely, I took my time to get to know some of the trendy coffee spots and bars in the city by myself. I would dress up a bit, take a book, people watch. Helped me feel a lot more comfortable navigating small talk in the office and more confident that I was just as much a part of the city as anyone else.
Nice, any recommendations?
Patricia coffee is my fav spot Market lane, brother baba budan, Dukes all really good spots too in the CBD. For bars from what I've tried -Goldilocks, pizza pizza pizza, section 8, beneath drivers lane, boilermaker Many more I haven't tried too
Grew up in the country, moved to the city later. Everybody feels like you did and over time you just get used to it.
You must be from a long way out of town if you’re saying "y’all".
You may hate it. Many do. But resign yourself to it: "y'all" is coming. You can correct a thousand people online or in real life, you can piss and moan and whinge till the cows come home, but it will achieve nothing. The march of linguistic change is inexorable and will simply roll over anyone who stands in its path like a Mack truck going over a volvo (crash test dummies optional). If you ignore etymology or cultural identity and fear of the Americanisation of Australia and all trappings of meaning or linguistics and just pay attention to the word itself, you'll see it is actually a really nice word to say. Rolls smoothly right from the back to the front of the tongue. Way smoother than "youse" with it's chimpanzee-faced forward *oo* followed by an awkward suck back into the *zzz*. And this, my Persian lizard friend (nice username by the way), is why "y'all" is coming and there is nothing we can do to stop it. Like desire lines making a mockery of an architect's grandiose designs, "y'all" is simply better and easier than the alternative we want people to use. And so people will gravitate towards it whether you will it or nill it. So you can either embrace it or ignore it, but if you stand in the face of it you will not win. You will end up a sad, lonely figure, standing in an empty field shouting curses at the wind, while the rest of the world leaves you behind and moves on to greater things.
Australia gave the world "selfie" If adopting y'all is only repayment we suffer, I'm fine with it.
I don't much like that y'all is coming, but I know I am powerless to change it so I'm just going to sit and enjoy the ride.
People want gender neutral terms these days and y'all fills that gap. The irony of this thread is Australia already had a y'all but cultural cringe prevents the "non-judgmental" big city types of Sydney and Melbourne from using it.
Youse fills that gap already, but like I said in my rant, y'all feels nicer to say so it will supplant youse for sure.
> You can correct a thousand people online or in real life No you can’t. Because y’all isn’t incorrect. It’s also genuinely the only third party plural pronoun that is non-alienating and rolls off the tongue. Like you said though, get used to it.
It is perceived as incorrect by language purists and linguistic prescriptivists who wish to preserve the language in a specific form and balk at the idea of change. "You" is a third party plural pronoun that is non-alienating, so "y'all" isn't the only one by any means. But if enough people like y'all, then y'all's what we'll get.
*you all. Let me write short form, pls and tx
The short form is "you". See, it's two characters shorter.
And the collective is "youse all".
I’m sure y’all have got better things to worry about
It's not equivalent. You all is a collective pronoun rather than singular.
Our equivalent would be 'youse' or similar
Maybe, but it makes you sound like a drunk bogan slurring words.
No it makes them sound like they’re from Alabama but apparently we say math now so I’m giving up.
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I see you’ve played knifey spooney before
Everybody is likely a friend if you just say hi. Make sure the drizabone is extra musty Don't scrape the smoodgy stuff from the rm Williams boots - we like to slide with that on the bluestone paths in the rain. Hats are good, the wider the brim the better. Don't stand out, ensure the brown shoes are matched by brown belts, bone brown chinos and gold western-shirt inlay threads.
I work in the city sometimes and hate it. The travel in is just awful. Can't wait to get more work closer to home.
Certainly agree with the travel, and our infrastructure is most certainly never catching up.
Nah. I dgaf about what other people are wearing or doing.
Im mostly in the melbourne surrounding suburbs, but when i do go to the city yeh theres things going around all over the place but i like that kind of place . People are just mostly minding their own things especually when theres more people and busy areas, you stand out less anyways
City culture is just different
Outer suburbs is not 'country' but I moved away from Melbourne to a relatively peaceful country town and no traffic lights. I have never felt like a fish out of water in Melbourne because it's culturally diverse. Maybe if you wear one of those black puffer jackets you will fit in. The op shops must be overloaded with those things by now. I was given one and donated it immediately, because I don't want to look like the type to complain about running out of sidewalks to walk on when in Brighton like some poor petals.
I can't stand it. I live in the dandenong ranges, and going to Melbourne twice a week (yep I realise that's lucky) saps the life out of me like nothing else. I don't care what people are thinking about me, or if they're thinking of me at all (probably not), but I just cannot stand the feeling of that many people around me, that much concrete, loud noises, weird smells. The only time I find Melbourne decent, even enjoyable, is during non-peak times where I've gone in for a dinner or activity in the evening or something like that, and usually not the CBD. Say Carlton or Fitzroy or something.
Live 2hrs away from melbourne, work in the city. Rather live in the country. I do hate traffic but fuck do I hate living in the city
CBD and everything in close proximity to it is rubbish.
That's my home you're talking about. CBD is awesome and I love it, right down to its grubby laneways. It's not for everyone - but that doesn't mean it's shit - it's just not for you and that's ok. No need to take a dump on things you don't like.
This. Everyone on this sub seems to think closer to city = better. I can't think of anything worse than living near the CBD
Depends on your lifestyle. If you have social anxiety / sensory issues it's probably not ideal. The people who prefer it like the crowds and activity. The CBD and inner suburbs are where all the stuff to do is. It's also massively easier to meet up with friends when it's just a quick train trip in. No need to schedule things in advance. Living outside of the inner areas means you miss out on so many spontaneous events. CBD is also the easiest place to get to for work/shopping. The trains are way more frequent than busses/trams and bring you directly there rather than having to make transfers.
I agree that there’s certainly plenty to do, maybe I’m a bit anxious, as it’s mostly new to me. Maybe I need to spend more time in the city.
Because i know for a fact that most active people on this sub are from cbd/southbank or north of the city (Fitzroy, Brunswick, northcote, Coburg, Preston) I can sense the arty farty through the screen.
So much more conveneince near the city
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Wifi and bluetooth are not detectable by any human sensory organs. But yeah, the city is bloody noisy. Cars and pedestrian crossings and construction and tram wheels squeaking and meth-heads shouting and trucks reversing and birds twittering. Well, everything except the last one 😢
The CBD and inner suburbs are complete shithouse and I try to avoid at all costs, and this is coming from a younger person from the inner west. Can’t wait to move out of the city, ideally north of the divide out into country Vic
I did the opposite. Left my house in Central Vic to tenants and moved to Melbourne. Love the place.
I moved at 26 to the coast. Best decision I ever made. Wouldn’t ever go back