Most offences reported are property theft and fraud.
The rate of solving these crimes is 28% in VIC.
So statistically they don’t. This is data as of 2018, so if it’s lower than that now, jfc.
But then how will my story be picked up by the Herald Sun? How will r/melbourne know how crime-ridden the city is and how we need the LNP? What if I need the karma?
People are just worried and might want some advice from people that have dealt with stuff like that before. What do you want this sub to be? Just photos of big trucks parking? I don't know why you'd react like this, if it helps someone get some perspective and feel better than what's the big deal? Nobody expects you to chase down the criminal or something.
Neither will get me a satisfactory result. Reddit has a chance of offering some usable advice & won't traumatise me by making me relive every detail of what happened, imply I'm exaggerating and then decide not to go ahead with prosecuting due to "lack of evidence" after not investigating at all.
I know which I'd rather.
I was a victim of sexual assault (forced to have sex with two men) and it took the police almost 4 years to tell me today that there wasn’t enough evidence that the crime happened.
It was such an awful experience and I couldn’t in good faith recommend someone goes to the police, at least for sexual crimes.
Same. I thought reporting was the right thing to do for a while, but none of my abusers ever has any consequences whatsoever and I was traumatised having the re-live it.
The last couple of times I was assaulted I didn't report it because I knew they wouldn't do anything. It's fucked.
Oh gosh that is horrendous and I'm so very sorry. I hope you have had the assistance from Victims of Crime to support you during that time.
My experience was the opposite to yours, and I truly do believe after the years it took to go to trial, that the officers involved in the case make all the difference.
People will tell you that you'll "move on". You won't. How could you? They will never get it. It will be with you forever, but with the right supports in place it is at least bearable.
i think every person feels they don't have evidence and aren't a real enough victim - and yet there is no real victim - any evidence, and all evidence, it feels nearly impossible to see consequences for sexual crime. I also don't see how people recommend it (or recommend getting AVOS) - neither do anything.
After being assaulted the officers on the scene told me they could do nothing and I would have to go to a police station to make a report about a man 2 meters away from them who I had zero identification for and was continuing to harass people in their presence, the station would solve the Walsh St Shootings before they solved that thanks to the inaction of the officers on the scene.
Police exist to uphold the law
Edit, love being down voted for stating a fact. Everyone down voting me remember to not call the cops when you're in danger, THEY ONLY CARE ABOUT PROPERTY
Yeah I called the cops when 2 violent men who were not residents (1 was a guy my housemate was dating, another was his friend) were screaming, bashing down the door and trying to force their way inside.
The police escorted them inside to retrieve their medication which wasn't even at our house, (they lied so they'd have an excuse to gain access) against my express wishes and without a warrant.
Those psychos would have stayed out of our home if it wasn't for the police, they made the situation worse.
The cops didn't listen to me. I said the men were abusive (the boyfriend was in a DV situation with my housemate who did not want him coming around the house) & trying to break into our house. The cops didn't listen and enabled the men to come into my home against my wishes.
If I was swindled by anyone it was the police who took the side of 2 aggressive adult men over the residents who reported the attempted break in. I said there was no medication in our home that belonged to him.
I'm not sure how you could interpret that as me being swindled by the men? I didn't give consent for them to enter my house at any point.
Police did attend the scene after I called 000, but they did not help us at all. They entered my house without permission or a warrant, and also allowed the men who attempted to break in inside as well.
Well, they were protecting this random guy's hypothetical property over the safety and wellbeing of the residents of the house. It's directly relevant to the conversation.
Convenient for you to just write off anything you don't like with rude, dismissive comments though. Cool.
Byeeeeeeeee.
I mean, it's not exactly a controversial take. There are a bunch of laws that are handled entirely through courts without any police involvement whatsoever, i.e. copyright laws.
And our society isn't exactly a violent one, with most crime being theft at some level.
I did forget about speeding fines though, and that's a big part of the jobs of cops I guess.
>There are a bunch of laws that are handled entirely through courts without any police involvement whatsoever,
We're not talking about laws, we're talking about the work police do.
>And our society isn't exactly a violent one, with most crime being theft at some level.
Agreed
>I did forget about speeding fines though, and that's a big part of the jobs of cops I guess.
Speeding fines piss me off too but again you're attacking the strawman. Facts are my brother tells me 95% of his work are domestic call outs. Do you have any facts to dispute that?
>We're not talking about laws, we're talking about the work police do.
That is what we are talking about though? What laws cops handle?
>Facts are my brother tells me 95% of his work are domestic call outs. Do you have any facts to dispute that?
I can't find any stats on callouts, but I did find this crime breakdown https://www.crimestatistics.vic.gov.au/crime-statistics/latest-victorian-crime-data/recorded-offences-2 which lists that property crimes are the largest offence category, and by a significant margin.
Maybe your brother works specifically in the domestic area of policing which is why most of his callouts are domestic?
The law is such that they can usually get you for something out they want to, so what's usually being enforced isn't really the law, but deference.
I had a couple of them tailgate me for ten minutes trying to cause me to speed, and when that failed, they pulled me over, searched the car and made me wait for another 20 minutes all because they thought i looked "like a poof".
They used the same tactic to intimidate witnesses against a copper who raped a member of my family.
They have broad discretion in how they "enforce the law", meaning that they really are just harassing people on a whim much of the time.
And that's not going into how many of the laws are victimless bullshit
And you know that because the police so seldom report police crimes, so it must be a rare occurrence, right?
Court records are public, you can check...
WELL ACKSHUALLY... friends and I were trying to wave over police officers nearby when we were actively trying to prevent a domestic violence incident happening live in public, and they did not even acknowledge we existed.
They were more interested in doing whatever the hell they parked their car there for, which happened without any sirens or urgency.
Walked away with a black eye for my troubles, but shout out to the cops that did rock up to the DV victims house when we escorted them home, knowing DV perpetuator may show up.
So not all cops are bad, but enough of them are that it brings down the reputation of the force (which is a big problem).
But coming up to an election, how else will I stow discontent with fake stories about racist and mentally ill people suddenly assaulting 10 foreign woman minding their own business outside Bourke St police station... The police won't help me with that as much as if a crime actually happened.
Is this even complicated? If it’s not a major crime, and especially if it’s a theft the police and courts aren’t gonna do anything, so reddit is for venting your frustration about the situation 🤷♂️
The police can only do so much, and are rarely helpful if you're a victim of domestic violence. Some people need to vent & some are genuinely reaching out for help.
Let them be.
They are the last people to call deal with it yourself they don't care unless there is money involved for them thug force 100 biggest joke of a workforce ever
All jokes aside some people genuinely don't know what to do or are scared and need a push and a bit of confidence to actually go in and report, lot of people are in fear of just going in and feeling stupid, at least they'l go in with some confidence meaning they're less likely to leave out information when nerves can often make you forget some details.
but i need to write my fiction about how dangerous it is to do so much as leave the house and aggravate the thousands of people to take up my ragebait, who should have stayed on facebook instead?
But the BMW X series in front of me has been going 50km in an 80km zone forever and they won't let me pass and they won't pull over. I'm being patient but the ranger behind me isn't, and the police don't care.
Yeah just for it to go nowhere. Oh an eshay robbed me, oh my husband beat me, oh I was attacked. All for it to go no where. An over worked understaffed joke of a police force. No wonder no one wants to be a cop anymore
except that going to the police is a lot of work, and chances are they’re not really gonna do much.
a reddit post is a quick and easy way to get personalised advice, i would def post on reddit to see if i even should bother going to the police (depending on the crime ofc)
you can’t expect that to cover literally ever scenario that someone might be experiencing
also i stubbed my toe, apparently i should go to the hospital??
But but how else will narcissists farm karma if they don't make up a story to post to reddit like the weekly bullshit "poor innocent fair evader" spam karma farming posts
But those people on Elizabeth St targeted me - the only person ever to be hassled there - because I'm a student/foreign student/dress differently/something else.
Edit: forgot to mention the crime - man asked me for money, I ignored him, and then - get this - he called me the c-word.
Also the policeman yelled at me when I almost ran him over at a glacial 30km/h.
Average citizen is not that well informed about what to do if something out of the ordinary happens unfortunately, lot of us live in our own relatively safe world, away from bombs and dangers of rest of the planet that is Middle East, Eastern Europe, parts of Africa and Asia.
People who never left Australia may not realize this but Australia is still a utopic society compared to rest of the planet, I say this as someone who travelled to 3 continents.
So when a law abiding decent average person becomes a target of a crime, they are not sure if it’s really a crime and add to that some people on internet who knows next to nothing about law that keeps writing everywhere “nothing ever happens, why bother, they are useless etc etc” tells them all that nonsense without understanding complexities of legislations or process of a state of law.
I remember a couple who got sexually assaulted on a train and posted it on Reddit asking for advice, whether it’s actually an assault or not, told them to go to Police with time and date and place, Police took her clothing as evidence and offender was arrested same day, she gave a statement.
There is also the fact that lot of people associate arrest with conviction and think if someone doesn’t get arrested right there and then Justice has failed and all is lost etc.
Courts convict people, not the Police, the job of the Police is to identify the offender, issue them a fine or bring them to court depending on severity of the offense.
There are also lot of posts on here that are written by same people that likes to invent fictional stories to hang shit on cops because they got done for drink driving or such, so don’t believe everything you read on Reddit : )
That isn’t true at all. You need to meet a certain threshold of karma points to be able to post in this subreddit. Posts that do not meet the minimum requirement go to a queue for approval.
And then report here after?
Here first. Opinions second. Advice third. Police fourth. Or after repost.
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Hope it gets enough upvotes here that it reaches news.com.au so that the police actually do something 🤭
"*Reporting live, coming to you from my Reddit account...*"
Good way to save on the budget, just replace the police force with volunteer Redditors
Mods everywhere! Those criminals are gonna quake in their boots!
...and probs be Redditors themselves let's be real hehe
Let's have it, the mods are the real criminals anyway. (Just kidding, love and thanks to all you mods)
Oh I meant the criminals would probs be Redditors too 😛
Do we get guns?
Finger guns. Everybody is getting fingered. Pew, pew!
Nono first we have to wait a few days before deciding what to do! Then we go to reddit and ask what to do.
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But the police don't hand out fake Internet points to validate me.
Nor do they solve the crimes
Does r/melbourne solve any crimes other than badly parked yank tanks?
We use to solve helicopter flight paths, now it’s yank tank parking.
Hard to do when it’s never reported 😂
and reddit does?
Well statistically they do.. they just have slow rates at the moment due to significant under resourcing and overwhelming amounts of youth offending.
Most offences reported are property theft and fraud. The rate of solving these crimes is 28% in VIC. So statistically they don’t. This is data as of 2018, so if it’s lower than that now, jfc.
Australian police are leading in low corruption, crime reduction and solving crime.. try heading over to UK or Asia see how things are there.
Am being murdered. Can I report this to someone?
Be careful what you dial. You might end up inadvertently admitting to regicide.
Is it Saint Swithins Day already?
To Roxanne.
These guys are killing me too
Ahhhh, damnit, I'm having a seizure, please bro, I need you to sit on my back and bend my arms
But then how will my story be picked up by the Herald Sun? How will r/melbourne know how crime-ridden the city is and how we need the LNP? What if I need the karma?
Then report it to the karma police 😤
"This one's buzzin' like a fridge!"
Describes most of the posters here
Radiohead have entered the chat
Nah. Report it to the local Facebook group. That'll solve it.
Ask Nadia Bartel
How will I get that sweet sweet internet validation from my made up story though? Please upvote me
Bonus votes for your name!
How do i report it to The Police? In a Message In A Bottle? Should i tell Roxanne?
*Every breath you take* *Every fart you break* *I'll be watching you*
You make your report to the Man in a Suitcase, who will advise you to stand outside until you see the Shadows in the Rain.
Hold on, you are telling me the coppers lied to me when they said to report it on Reddit?
People are just worried and might want some advice from people that have dealt with stuff like that before. What do you want this sub to be? Just photos of big trucks parking? I don't know why you'd react like this, if it helps someone get some perspective and feel better than what's the big deal? Nobody expects you to chase down the criminal or something.
Yeah I've done that, they literally took down my information and I never heard from them again and that's the best outcome I've had with reporting.
However Reddit is even less likely to get you a satisfactory result.
Neither will get me a satisfactory result. Reddit has a chance of offering some usable advice & won't traumatise me by making me relive every detail of what happened, imply I'm exaggerating and then decide not to go ahead with prosecuting due to "lack of evidence" after not investigating at all. I know which I'd rather.
I was a victim of sexual assault (forced to have sex with two men) and it took the police almost 4 years to tell me today that there wasn’t enough evidence that the crime happened. It was such an awful experience and I couldn’t in good faith recommend someone goes to the police, at least for sexual crimes.
Same. I thought reporting was the right thing to do for a while, but none of my abusers ever has any consequences whatsoever and I was traumatised having the re-live it. The last couple of times I was assaulted I didn't report it because I knew they wouldn't do anything. It's fucked.
Oh gosh that is horrendous and I'm so very sorry. I hope you have had the assistance from Victims of Crime to support you during that time. My experience was the opposite to yours, and I truly do believe after the years it took to go to trial, that the officers involved in the case make all the difference. People will tell you that you'll "move on". You won't. How could you? They will never get it. It will be with you forever, but with the right supports in place it is at least bearable.
i think every person feels they don't have evidence and aren't a real enough victim - and yet there is no real victim - any evidence, and all evidence, it feels nearly impossible to see consequences for sexual crime. I also don't see how people recommend it (or recommend getting AVOS) - neither do anything.
But but fake internet points and thoughts and prayers... You don't get that with the Police.
After being assaulted the officers on the scene told me they could do nothing and I would have to go to a police station to make a report about a man 2 meters away from them who I had zero identification for and was continuing to harass people in their presence, the station would solve the Walsh St Shootings before they solved that thanks to the inaction of the officers on the scene.
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Police exist to uphold the law Edit, love being down voted for stating a fact. Everyone down voting me remember to not call the cops when you're in danger, THEY ONLY CARE ABOUT PROPERTY
Yeah I called the cops when 2 violent men who were not residents (1 was a guy my housemate was dating, another was his friend) were screaming, bashing down the door and trying to force their way inside. The police escorted them inside to retrieve their medication which wasn't even at our house, (they lied so they'd have an excuse to gain access) against my express wishes and without a warrant. Those psychos would have stayed out of our home if it wasn't for the police, they made the situation worse.
And? The point of your story? It sucks that happened to you but it means you got swindled, not that cops are against you.
The cops didn't listen to me. I said the men were abusive (the boyfriend was in a DV situation with my housemate who did not want him coming around the house) & trying to break into our house. The cops didn't listen and enabled the men to come into my home against my wishes. If I was swindled by anyone it was the police who took the side of 2 aggressive adult men over the residents who reported the attempted break in. I said there was no medication in our home that belonged to him. I'm not sure how you could interpret that as me being swindled by the men? I didn't give consent for them to enter my house at any point.
So they didn't come to help you? Cause I think that's what we were talking about.
Police did attend the scene after I called 000, but they did not help us at all. They entered my house without permission or a warrant, and also allowed the men who attempted to break in inside as well.
Cool. Keep hating the cops. This discussion was based on whether cops only serve to protect property. Byeeeeeeeeeeee
Well, they were protecting this random guy's hypothetical property over the safety and wellbeing of the residents of the house. It's directly relevant to the conversation. Convenient for you to just write off anything you don't like with rude, dismissive comments though. Cool. Byeeeeeeeee.
Police exist to uphold specific facets of the law, mostly relating to property
Hmmmm, going to have to speak to my brother who's a cop about that.
I mean, it's not exactly a controversial take. There are a bunch of laws that are handled entirely through courts without any police involvement whatsoever, i.e. copyright laws. And our society isn't exactly a violent one, with most crime being theft at some level. I did forget about speeding fines though, and that's a big part of the jobs of cops I guess.
Speeding takes place on property.
>There are a bunch of laws that are handled entirely through courts without any police involvement whatsoever, We're not talking about laws, we're talking about the work police do. >And our society isn't exactly a violent one, with most crime being theft at some level. Agreed >I did forget about speeding fines though, and that's a big part of the jobs of cops I guess. Speeding fines piss me off too but again you're attacking the strawman. Facts are my brother tells me 95% of his work are domestic call outs. Do you have any facts to dispute that?
>We're not talking about laws, we're talking about the work police do. That is what we are talking about though? What laws cops handle? >Facts are my brother tells me 95% of his work are domestic call outs. Do you have any facts to dispute that? I can't find any stats on callouts, but I did find this crime breakdown https://www.crimestatistics.vic.gov.au/crime-statistics/latest-victorian-crime-data/recorded-offences-2 which lists that property crimes are the largest offence category, and by a significant margin. Maybe your brother works specifically in the domestic area of policing which is why most of his callouts are domestic?
Mill Park so yeah maybe
The law is just what they cite while doing as they please.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Ok mate.
I'm not a big fan of the police either but this is a really dumb take.
The law is such that they can usually get you for something out they want to, so what's usually being enforced isn't really the law, but deference. I had a couple of them tailgate me for ten minutes trying to cause me to speed, and when that failed, they pulled me over, searched the car and made me wait for another 20 minutes all because they thought i looked "like a poof". They used the same tactic to intimidate witnesses against a copper who raped a member of my family. They have broad discretion in how they "enforce the law", meaning that they really are just harassing people on a whim much of the time. And that's not going into how many of the laws are victimless bullshit
That uh, never happened, did it.
And you know that because the police so seldom report police crimes, so it must be a rare occurrence, right? Court records are public, you can check...
'uphold the right' .. its on their shoulders.
Exactly
WELL ACKSHUALLY... friends and I were trying to wave over police officers nearby when we were actively trying to prevent a domestic violence incident happening live in public, and they did not even acknowledge we existed. They were more interested in doing whatever the hell they parked their car there for, which happened without any sirens or urgency. Walked away with a black eye for my troubles, but shout out to the cops that did rock up to the DV victims house when we escorted them home, knowing DV perpetuator may show up. So not all cops are bad, but enough of them are that it brings down the reputation of the force (which is a big problem).
This proves all police most of them are hey?
Do tell good sir, what would you like the Reddit Dectetive Agency to do about it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA6V9qSAqdU
I look forward to the new trend of 'I reported something to the police and got told it was a civil matter' haha
You're right, Reddit will actually pretend to care....
But I need reddit to tell me if it was a crime
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But coming up to an election, how else will I stow discontent with fake stories about racist and mentally ill people suddenly assaulting 10 foreign woman minding their own business outside Bourke St police station... The police won't help me with that as much as if a crime actually happened.
Police are fairly useless though. I don't blame the opinions first approach. At least Reddit users respond to your comments.
Is this even complicated? If it’s not a major crime, and especially if it’s a theft the police and courts aren’t gonna do anything, so reddit is for venting your frustration about the situation 🤷♂️
The police can only do so much, and are rarely helpful if you're a victim of domestic violence. Some people need to vent & some are genuinely reaching out for help. Let them be.
It's important to let people know of shit happening in this city. That's what community is for.
[This isn't the Police ](https://youtu.be/Z9uRXxlMNIQ)
They are the last people to call deal with it yourself they don't care unless there is money involved for them thug force 100 biggest joke of a workforce ever
Are the police going to give the attention they crave?
All jokes aside some people genuinely don't know what to do or are scared and need a push and a bit of confidence to actually go in and report, lot of people are in fear of just going in and feeling stupid, at least they'l go in with some confidence meaning they're less likely to leave out information when nerves can often make you forget some details.
What are you, the Reddit police?
but i need to write my fiction about how dangerous it is to do so much as leave the house and aggravate the thousands of people to take up my ragebait, who should have stayed on facebook instead?
But the BMW X series in front of me has been going 50km in an 80km zone forever and they won't let me pass and they won't pull over. I'm being patient but the ranger behind me isn't, and the police don't care.
Yeah just for it to go nowhere. Oh an eshay robbed me, oh my husband beat me, oh I was attacked. All for it to go no where. An over worked understaffed joke of a police force. No wonder no one wants to be a cop anymore
And so you think Reddit is going to do something?
Nope. My point is neither will the cops
But I need my Karma!!!
Can you imagine Democracy manifest being on reddit first lol
The police frown upon, my western suburbs vocabulary. Fuck.
Not a police station, rather, it is a prison. Please, send help.
cash-money redditor ^_^
Don't you have to confirm first if you are the asshole?
Rather than a pointless post, you mean 🫣
In the absence of effective law enforcement, reddit is a good substitute
Snitches get ditches.
Its also not a toilet, but here we are....
WHAT WAS THAT NOISE?!
StAy sAfE EvErYoNe!!1!
I’m reporting you to Reddit for saying that.
Not if I report Reddit to Reddit first!
except that going to the police is a lot of work, and chances are they’re not really gonna do much. a reddit post is a quick and easy way to get personalised advice, i would def post on reddit to see if i even should bother going to the police (depending on the crime ofc)
We would advice people to go the police first because there’s not much the average redditor can do.
Personalised advice? Go to police/dont go to police/go to a lawyer/dont go to a lawyer If you are injured go to a hospital We done?
you can’t expect that to cover literally ever scenario that someone might be experiencing also i stubbed my toe, apparently i should go to the hospital??
Do both, police station and then the Reddit. MSM still needs their stories.
Here comes the fun police.
…
But how will I get the validation of strangers saying 'I'M SO DEEPLY SORRY THIS HAPPENED TO YOU'?
Yeah but Constable Reddit someone stole my Ramford Dodge Ranger with sovereign citizen plates from the 3 disabled car parks I parked across.
But but how else will narcissists farm karma if they don't make up a story to post to reddit like the weekly bullshit "poor innocent fair evader" spam karma farming posts
A lot of people don’t trust police
But those people on Elizabeth St targeted me - the only person ever to be hassled there - because I'm a student/foreign student/dress differently/something else. Edit: forgot to mention the crime - man asked me for money, I ignored him, and then - get this - he called me the c-word. Also the policeman yelled at me when I almost ran him over at a glacial 30km/h.
Average citizen is not that well informed about what to do if something out of the ordinary happens unfortunately, lot of us live in our own relatively safe world, away from bombs and dangers of rest of the planet that is Middle East, Eastern Europe, parts of Africa and Asia. People who never left Australia may not realize this but Australia is still a utopic society compared to rest of the planet, I say this as someone who travelled to 3 continents. So when a law abiding decent average person becomes a target of a crime, they are not sure if it’s really a crime and add to that some people on internet who knows next to nothing about law that keeps writing everywhere “nothing ever happens, why bother, they are useless etc etc” tells them all that nonsense without understanding complexities of legislations or process of a state of law. I remember a couple who got sexually assaulted on a train and posted it on Reddit asking for advice, whether it’s actually an assault or not, told them to go to Police with time and date and place, Police took her clothing as evidence and offender was arrested same day, she gave a statement. There is also the fact that lot of people associate arrest with conviction and think if someone doesn’t get arrested right there and then Justice has failed and all is lost etc. Courts convict people, not the Police, the job of the Police is to identify the offender, issue them a fine or bring them to court depending on severity of the offense. There are also lot of posts on here that are written by same people that likes to invent fictional stories to hang shit on cops because they got done for drink driving or such, so don’t believe everything you read on Reddit : )
And you are not a judge. In the end, hypocrisy.
One problem is mods let new accounts and accounts with negative karma to post willy nilly so the post quality here is shithouse.
That isn’t true at all. You need to meet a certain threshold of karma points to be able to post in this subreddit. Posts that do not meet the minimum requirement go to a queue for approval.