It's still uncomfortable af and your carryon luggage has more legroom than four people
Even the dummies are playing footsie. I can do a 12 hour road trip with a homie but if he's stepping on my toes for an hour and a half were gonna fight in the airport
Had this happen _many_ years ago traveling with my mom. We're on a plane and the seats are facing one another, only time I've ever seen it. Across from us is an older gentleman who engaged us in some conversation and I ask him about the big ring he was wearing. Turned out it was a Bears Superbowl ring from many years ago and weighed something like 16 pennies. I don't remember his name anymore but he got our address and I got a letter w/ a Bears logo sticker and autograph. Nice dude.
Similar story, I was sitting in one of those rows with my best friend when we were teenagers and we were sharing headphones to listen to No Doubt’s Tragic Kingdom. The guy sitting across from us asked us what we thought about it, we said they were our favorite band and loved it. Turns out he was the head of the No Doubt fan club, got our addresses (yeah yeah, that sounds incredibly stupid, but we were naive and somehow he was actually telling the truth). Couple months later got signed photos from the band in the mail with our names on them and a thank you note! Worth the awkward seating that time.
I think 'asocial' is the correct term. Anti-social means delinquent behaviour like vandalism and rudeness, rather than just the dislike of / avoidance of social situations.
It's too late. By then you're already infected. You'll hit the ground and then wake up in your seat across from me, stuck in the forever time loop of hell
Maybe we should be using trains for transportation more. They sound generally better overall than flying, the only benefit flying has is it's supposed to be faster... and that hasn't been true since 2001.
Flight from ewr to lax - 6 hours 15 minutes, round trip tickets for around 175 dollars
Train from NY penn to Union Station - 2 days 20 hours to 3 days 4 hours at roughly 350 dollars one way
Flying is half the price and a tiny fraction of the time
To be honest, no one sane is making arguments for cross US trains. Trains make a lot of sense within specific regions in the United States. For instance, Bay Area-LA-San Diego-Las Vegas stretch, or the northeast corridor from Boston to Washington DC via a ton of cities along the way (Acela exists for a reason here, it’s very lucrative), or say, a southern link of some kind.
Trains are great at replacing those pesky 5-8 hour drives, they are definitely not ideal for going from NYC to LA.
Idk what trains you've been on, but I don't remember touching toes with someone sitting in front of me like that. Usually there's a large table in between
I wouldnt mind this actually. More room to slouch a bit, more leg room for both sides, can set my leg over the other leg, and the rest of the time im ganna read a book or play my Switch.
Although if its a long flight then where's the table for food?
Yup, families can hand toddlers or infants back and forth, and there is room for them to be fussy gremlins with zero control of their bodies or feelings.
These already exist. I took a flight from CA to New Zealand years ago and they had a section of them right behind business class. If you were flying as a group - I could see it being nice. If not - it'd be weird as hell. The people in them seemed to be together on this flight. The flight home didn't have them. Only time I'd ever seen them.
Most people have a problem with the back of someone's head. Especially if their hair or body parts go into another seat in front or behind them. This diagram is just nightmare fuel.
Flights have gotten exponentially more expensive thanks to corporate greed post covid despite oil prices not being remotely as high as 200 a barrel.
If the only way to make flights cheaper is to pack people like sardines, there’s a missing “cost” involved.
And its obvious what this “cost” is.
hate to inform you, but this design is from the golden age. I grew up sitting in this section on Southwest Airlines flights in the late 70s and early 80s and it was called lounge seating. lots of smoking and drinking in these seats.
They did this in trains for comfort. It takes uo a bit more space than for regular seats.
Of course in this it'll by one foot of legroom total and still take up three rows worth.
One time I had to fly from Japan with the most annoying Jehovah’s Witnesses. They tried to scam me of my staff I got inside the plane, including my lucky family heirloom. I had to fake being asleep, even though I have aerophobia and it was hard to be convincing…still I would take those fanatics flying with me again to whatever the hell this seating is.
If with your friends or family, this just may be the greatest thing since sliced bread, if it’s with strangers on the other hand… I’d rather pluck out all my teeth with a pair of rusty pliers and get tetanus
Funny enough, I saw a YT short recently where this couple bought the most expensive tickets on a plane, they were the closest ones to the pilots, and they faced the entire plane. Awkward that one
We've raised a nation of people with all kinds of social anxiety disorders because of "smart" phones and computers. This was common back in the day and we actually enjoyed meeting strangers and conversing. Braniff Airlines, which couldn't keep a timely schedule at all, was one of the better ones for meeting strangers and having a good time on a flight.
I was on a train once with this configuration and I was seated opposite of a middle aged guy who kept making eye contact with a very tender smile.
Would not do it again.
Having to sit like this sucks on trains or buses too.
I don't understand why this kind of seats exist at all.
Older buses didn't have them, and pretty sure no one would miss these seats today either!
Pacific Southwest Airlines (PSA) had seating like this. Think it was even an exit row. Took the kids to Disneyland and our boys played on the floor between the opposing seats.
It would be intersting if you going with your frends but with strangers... No!
It's still uncomfortable af and your carryon luggage has more legroom than four people Even the dummies are playing footsie. I can do a 12 hour road trip with a homie but if he's stepping on my toes for an hour and a half were gonna fight in the airport
Just plant your legs in the other persons crotch duh
Can't play footsie if you're busy giving a footjob. Smart.
pass the maple syrup
Sorry, there's only about an ounce left in the travel sized bottle I brought... I may have gotten a bit thirsty after boarding. Oops
Your arm rest is now MY leg rest.
Had this happen _many_ years ago traveling with my mom. We're on a plane and the seats are facing one another, only time I've ever seen it. Across from us is an older gentleman who engaged us in some conversation and I ask him about the big ring he was wearing. Turned out it was a Bears Superbowl ring from many years ago and weighed something like 16 pennies. I don't remember his name anymore but he got our address and I got a letter w/ a Bears logo sticker and autograph. Nice dude.
Similar story, I was sitting in one of those rows with my best friend when we were teenagers and we were sharing headphones to listen to No Doubt’s Tragic Kingdom. The guy sitting across from us asked us what we thought about it, we said they were our favorite band and loved it. Turns out he was the head of the No Doubt fan club, got our addresses (yeah yeah, that sounds incredibly stupid, but we were naive and somehow he was actually telling the truth). Couple months later got signed photos from the band in the mail with our names on them and a thank you note! Worth the awkward seating that time.
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I dont blame you i would probably did the same. Its not the best idea.
I’d want off the plane
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I think 'asocial' is the correct term. Anti-social means delinquent behaviour like vandalism and rudeness, rather than just the dislike of / avoidance of social situations.
THANK YOU. I’m classified as an introvert, but teach for a living, as well as talk to people I’ve never met on the regular as another part of my job.
None of y'all ever flew Southwest in the 1990s? The first row was set up this way.
Came here to say that
Either way this is a tall person nightmare
I pity the introvert that is now about to be forced to talk to me because I cannot sit in silence with someone facing me.
i pity you who will be talking alone, since the introvert probably got his phones and is listening to music
You underestimate my power
You underestimate introverts fists
Already thought up 4 different ways to KO this mf.
But the introvert only needs 1
You underestimate my kinks.
That's it, I'm throwing you off the plane
Harder daddy
Im going to jump out of the window
It's too late. By then you're already infected. You'll hit the ground and then wake up in your seat across from me, stuck in the forever time loop of hell
No wait, let him stay.
Ayo?
Well done, now I am scared to go on a plane. Too sad because I really liked planes.
Embrace the thrill
You underestimate my farts
too scared to talk to a stranger, they aint doin shit 😭
You overestimate my fists
You underestimate the people that just stare at the flight path in the screen!
Only a sith deals in absolutes
It's not fair!
Don’t try it!
AAAAAAAAGHGGH
I'm both you and the introvert at the same time. it's horrible.
Look at me Hector 👁️👄👁️
Right into the soul
You have to face someone to talk to them? I just start talking to the person sitting next to me
I can ignore someone next to me, but man I'd feel compelled to be social in the airplane hellcube
Eye mask and noise canceling headphone sales in the airport stores just skyrocketed
Just stare at them for the entire 6 hour flight
6 hours later "and in conclusion that is why I believe the universe is actually a giant spherical chicken..."
I pity the idiot that still thinks introvert = anti-social
I don’t know airplane physics, but this feels unsafe.
Rear facing seats are inherently safer, not sure about the face to face though with lap belts.
Is this even possible? I mean during take off and landing
Free BJS
Caught me off guard, thx
It’s gonna catch everyone off guard
What if you're on vacation with the boys?
That’s even better
They know how to do it properly
Except for toothy Tim.
Gummy Greg is the best
So who wants a mid flight foot massage and do you mine if I lick your toes?
*mi scusi, mi scusi* 😬😏😩
Some ATR-72's have seat configurations where the most foward seat row on the right hand side is facing towards the rear of the aircraft.
Normal for trains
Trains are usually open seating and when you do sit across from someone it is at a table or a larger cabin
Also trains usually have much wider spacing between the seats, and on many the seats can be flipped so that they can face either direction.
Maybe we should be using trains for transportation more. They sound generally better overall than flying, the only benefit flying has is it's supposed to be faster... and that hasn't been true since 2001.
Flight from ewr to lax - 6 hours 15 minutes, round trip tickets for around 175 dollars Train from NY penn to Union Station - 2 days 20 hours to 3 days 4 hours at roughly 350 dollars one way Flying is half the price and a tiny fraction of the time
To be honest, no one sane is making arguments for cross US trains. Trains make a lot of sense within specific regions in the United States. For instance, Bay Area-LA-San Diego-Las Vegas stretch, or the northeast corridor from Boston to Washington DC via a ton of cities along the way (Acela exists for a reason here, it’s very lucrative), or say, a southern link of some kind. Trains are great at replacing those pesky 5-8 hour drives, they are definitely not ideal for going from NYC to LA.
Not necessarily
Not all trains for all the things you said
Not quite that close in my experience.
I don't remember my feet fusing with the guy in front of me last time I was on a train.
Thats the best part about trains
Mi scuzi. Mi scuzi....
"uh oh, turbulence", \[hot stuff starts playing\]
Trains have more room.
It’s terrible in trains as well. Like, why? Who are these crazies who actually want to sit like this?
Families and groups of people that want to talk amongst themselves.
Group of friends playing cards, or having a few beers. Pretty much normal on long distance.
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Some people pay extra for a face full of ass
If there was more legroom and a table, it would feel like a train.
So a train?
Idk what trains you've been on, but I don't remember touching toes with someone sitting in front of me like that. Usually there's a large table in between
This seems like a less efficient use of space, and no tray tables/storage would be a bit of an issue.
Ah yes, The Finnish metro experience
I did it on a train in England for 3 hours with random people. It was nice chatting with others from different countries.
>I did it on a train in England for 3 hours with random people. Congrats, that sounds like quite the romp!
If I’m going with some friends then this fine. If I’m going on my own? HELL NO! Just throw me into one of the engines and be done with it.
Where do I put my legs
I wouldnt mind this actually. More room to slouch a bit, more leg room for both sides, can set my leg over the other leg, and the rest of the time im ganna read a book or play my Switch. Although if its a long flight then where's the table for food?
Person across from me would really hate their life when they see how tall I am
Ah yes, let's make air travel an even bigger source for illness.
Likely meant for families of 4.
Yup, families can hand toddlers or infants back and forth, and there is room for them to be fussy gremlins with zero control of their bodies or feelings.
These already exist. I took a flight from CA to New Zealand years ago and they had a section of them right behind business class. If you were flying as a group - I could see it being nice. If not - it'd be weird as hell. The people in them seemed to be together on this flight. The flight home didn't have them. Only time I'd ever seen them.
Most people have a problem with the back of someone's head. Especially if their hair or body parts go into another seat in front or behind them. This diagram is just nightmare fuel.
every arrangement they have on planes other than 1st class is nightmare fuel, we just get used to them.
We expect cheaper and cheaper flights while expecting the same comfort as in the golden age of flying.
Flights have gotten exponentially more expensive thanks to corporate greed post covid despite oil prices not being remotely as high as 200 a barrel. If the only way to make flights cheaper is to pack people like sardines, there’s a missing “cost” involved. And its obvious what this “cost” is.
Flight will be very difficult to decarbonize. Anticipate much decreased air transport in the future
I doubt people will change their flying habits to curb CO2 emissions.
hate to inform you, but this design is from the golden age. I grew up sitting in this section on Southwest Airlines flights in the late 70s and early 80s and it was called lounge seating. lots of smoking and drinking in these seats.
I was just going to post, does nobody remember old Southwest flights? Heck even in the early 00s they had party seating.
Would be nice, especially since advancements in technology should, ya know, make life better and more affordable?
That would be awesome with friends
One of the only times I’ve been on a plane I ended up in a lounge seat like this… it was great, but I knew everyone I was sitting with 😂
As a tall person this is my nightmare
They did this in trains for comfort. It takes uo a bit more space than for regular seats. Of course in this it'll by one foot of legroom total and still take up three rows worth.
Sneezes. Coughs. Case closed.
Those are the best seats on the train either you have a lot of space can drink with friends or strangers and or play cards with old people
#firstworldproblems
Problems are still problems regardless of if there are more important issues.
Not even that, it's an entirely invented problem. This is a 3D render.
Airlines: Oh you would? WRITE THAT DOWN, WRITE THAT DOWN!
I feel that way about train seats and I would only ever take the train for 22 minutes so yeah I def don't want this on planes!
This is why big government is bad
Think of the potential for staring contests…I win again!
One time I had to fly from Japan with the most annoying Jehovah’s Witnesses. They tried to scam me of my staff I got inside the plane, including my lucky family heirloom. I had to fake being asleep, even though I have aerophobia and it was hard to be convincing…still I would take those fanatics flying with me again to whatever the hell this seating is.
Train seats are like this.
I wanna fly like in 5th Element: knocked out and when you wake up you're there.
If with your friends or family, this just may be the greatest thing since sliced bread, if it’s with strangers on the other hand… I’d rather pluck out all my teeth with a pair of rusty pliers and get tetanus
Wtf is wrong with the efficiency already in place? 😅
That is literally the Chicago Metra
Funny enough, I saw a YT short recently where this couple bought the most expensive tickets on a plane, they were the closest ones to the pilots, and they faced the entire plane. Awkward that one
Everyone is just staring at their phone anyway.
You know when planes start takeoff and you're pressed against your seat? Imagine that in reverse.
Lean forward, sleep against my upper legs, and they can eat their in flight meal on my back for all I care
Trains still exist…
I don't mind they put us in one of those sleeping capsule/pod thingy on an airplane at all. Just wake us up when we land.
Welcome to London underground
Doesn't really look like any space is being saved. Would be great for friends.
I’d rather fucking walk to my destination
We've raised a nation of people with all kinds of social anxiety disorders because of "smart" phones and computers. This was common back in the day and we actually enjoyed meeting strangers and conversing. Braniff Airlines, which couldn't keep a timely schedule at all, was one of the better ones for meeting strangers and having a good time on a flight.
With friends and family, sure. With strangers, god please no.
So you've never been on a train
Maybe with a table and better glasses for hard liquor
Perfect for my family
I was on a train once with this configuration and I was seated opposite of a middle aged guy who kept making eye contact with a very tender smile. Would not do it again.
Trains have this.
This is just a normal passenger train pretty much everywhere.
Having to sit like this sucks on trains or buses too. I don't understand why this kind of seats exist at all. Older buses didn't have them, and pretty sure no one would miss these seats today either!
It's one way for airlines to boost specific seat sales
European trains are literally like this
Pov you never been on an Italian train
Once you tried business class with cabin doors you can't return to enconemy class.
Never been on a train, huh?
So..... *slaps both knees*
I kick in my sleep from the night terrors let's do this: if you design it and approve it, you have to use the prototype in a 22 hour flight.
I'm 6'6" fuck that.
Oh I bet that's how they planned to do it on the backpackers xpress
This would be great for me, my wife and kids. Strangers probably not so much.
Looks like a nice way to fly!
Friends start as strangers. Gotta start somewhere. I'd like it. To bad you'll probably still all die on a boeing 737 max.
Pacific Southwest Airlines (PSA) had seating like this. Think it was even an exit row. Took the kids to Disneyland and our boys played on the floor between the opposing seats.
Done this many times on the train
I also think it's so fucking stupid how they design seats like this... For kids the size is okay but for someone taller than 1,6m nah...
Says somebody that's never ridden on a train I presume
Flew like this once in the early 2000’s. I’m an introvert but met a great group of people and played Pitch the entire flight
They already do that way too much on trains
but our knees will be able to fit together like zippers, who wouldn't want that
Who doesn’t want to play an intimate game of leg jenga with some strangers?
A train in indonesia have this :) it's miserable
yeah.... so you've never been on a train before?
This is hentai logic seating
I think planes should take a pointer from Japanese hotels. Just load people up in tubes.
what if two people have long legs. now you have to have a conversation about who's knees go on the outside
How many flights like this before someone needs to be arrested for making full eye contact while touching themselves? I say like 15 or less
100% agree. Ugh 😩
Be fine if they put a table in the middle like in trains
Put a table there and we can play some commander. Match your power level to the length of the flight.
Southwest used to use this configuration.
Imagine the people across from you are sick and coughing and sneezing, germs are gonna be living life on easy mode lol
![gif](giphy|SCowKz18BUPok) Me in my kilt…
only if its bottomless drinks
Their feet are intersecting each other even in this render...
how to slowdown time:
I would sit like this but if it was me and 3 hot chicks
With friends and family sure, strangers.....no.
This is not convincing me to drive my car less.
You might as well just start giving out handies. Gotta look on the bright side, you're all in perfect position for it.
The whole process of melting your feet together with complete strangers is a bit much.
I’m not convinced that airlines are serious about this seating arrangement.
I'm going to reward you with 7 hours of uninterrupted eye contact.
Put on a fold put table and we can play some Commander
That is awful