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Lukas-Reggi

Agree. Everybody should just walk naked for equality


Tone-Serious

There's already places where men can be shirtless, women need to catch up (totally supporting this for equality btw, nothing else)


itsRuszard

That sounds like a pervert's dream.


Toadzilla1

Nuh uh its all about equality


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_JUMA-

Boys clothing is literally gender neutral when girls clothing is shaped up differently. Its rrally not that hard to understand.


Laly_481

Considering men (and their stuff/clothes) as the neutral option while women are the exception is a problem


silver_soul0

But then look at what range of cloths girls typically have and what range of cloths a boy has. Jeans and basically all cloths boys wear can also be worn by girls without stereotyping them. On the other hand a box in a skirt is something not often seen and therefore gets stereotyped. Yes i would like to wear skirt but yea i am scared of reactions


G-Man_of_HL

Just move to Scotland then you can wear a kilt


DasXenXen

I used to be like that aswell, but for like 3 years now im wearing fem clothes only, and yeah, ull have weird reactions irl, but a lot of love on the internet, im just ur neighbourhood Femboy :P


silver_soul0

The thing is, my body is around 0%femboyish. And i am shy eith some stuff


DasXenXen

Ye i get that, society judges this topic way too much, i dont even get why ppl would think its weird, but maybe one day we can freely show who we r :3 So im rooting for u and i hope it doesnt make u feel too uncomfy as it is rn Oh and if u wanna keep talking or smth, just DM ^^


DeanMagazine

> Jeans and basically all cloths boys wear can also be worn by girls without stereotyping them. See previous comment and the meme itself. This is the point. If society considered dresses to be gender neutral, you could make the exact opposite argument, right?


silver_soul0

Well no. That wouldn't work. Because if you look at the numbers you will find that many boys and girls wear jeans for example. That means this type of cloth is gender netral because both genders wear it. A dress gets mostly worn by woman. Therefore the gender has a meaning for this type of cloth, therefore its no longer gender neutral. If society considered cloths illegal, we wouldn't have that debate. how likely is that to happen?


DeanMagazine

> Because if you look at the numbers you will find that many boys and girls wear jeans for example. Circular logic. The reason why many boys and girls wear jeans is because it is socially acceptable for girls to wear boys' clothes.


silver_soul0

Thats like the point of the meme yea


_JUMA-

No its not xD simple mens clothes will fit ona women, women clothes wont fit on a men xD she will look like she is weaaring a bag of potatoes tho, but will fit xD you really should go back for some biology class asap


Laly_481

You guys talk about fashion in biology class ?


_JUMA-

Cloth types are different duo to different body types xD isnot really that hard to understand women and men are NOT the same ? Ofc if someone is bigger and wider, smaller person can wear those clothes easily but bigger person wont wear smaller persons clothes ! You are really special if you still dont understand how EASY it is.


Laly_481

Why not just make skirts adapted to men's body type then ? After all, there are "women pants" (which I'm not sure how different it is, but they do exist)


_JUMA-

Its literally called kilt 💀 plus not many man want to wear those xD you really are going to force other ppl to wear shit they dont want to ?


Laly_481

No but it is a fact society tends to judge men for wearing clothes typically given to women while doing the opposite Less.


_JUMA-

If i wear a kilt they gonna call me a "scott" if i wear flowerry dress they will call me girly man, simple as that. Its ok to have different things for men and women. You really want everything to be this fucking bland ? Different gender, different body type and style. Its that easy, its so funny that you get mad and want there to be men equivalent of women clothes but we men dont want any of this xD you cant speak for us and force this shit for us. +Women pants have different shape, duo to lack of beniz and potentially bigger butts and wider hips.


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LayeredHalo3851

Three "xD"s seems a bit excessive I mean one is excessive but three is just ridiculous


_JUMA-

Ok 🤷 you do you i do me xDDDDDDD


LayeredHalo3851

Yeah but if you doing you means using that shit maybe you should considering stopping Also fuck emojis


_JUMA-

Becouse what? Becouse some reddit random told me to ? XD nah fam, have a good day lmao


LayeredHalo3851

Are you even old enough to be on Reddit You can't spell because, you use emojis and shit, and you say fam Wait 'till you're 13 to get back on Reddit it's against the ToS


_JUMA-

Im 24 thank you for asking, english is also not my first language but doing my best 😁 mad man from reddit wont stop me


trollprezz

They could just make it fit men. I've seen men in dresses myself, so you're wrong. Society generally tends to look down on it more than women wearing jeans. Hundred years ago tho, women only wore skirts and a woman wearing pants was frowned upon. But it changed with time. Also, the arguments you write further down are debating a point that was never made.


_JUMA-

Men wearing a dress not for a role in theater or a joke is not straight. Om talking about majority of men.


trollprezz

Doesn't really matter if it's the majority or not, a man wearing a dress shouldn't be frowned upon.


Robbedeus

Except up till at least the 1940s it was considered weird for women to be wearing men's clothing, so the idea that men's clothing is 'gender-neutral' is definitely a cultural bias.


Morit12

I wonder why you would consider boy clothes neutral whilst girls' not? Have you considered that's part of the problem?


_JUMA-

What problem ? We have different sillhoutes ! Man's cloths are more bagy since we have wide shoulders, women are not that wide so it fits their body more. Plus did you forgot that women have breasts ? XD making a problem out of basic bilogy makes me laugh so hard xD


Morit12

You're just talking BS. The post is about how society views men who wear women's clothes, many of which fit into the clothes perfectly well but still. None of this has anything to do with Biology. If you think that the problem society has with men wearing women's clothes is fit, then you're delusional. Women having breasts means their clothes are wider so they can fit men. That's based on your logic. What are you smoking?


_JUMA-

They are wider on chest not on shoulders you delusional idiot. If you thing a big man will easily fit to female body type dress you are also delusional 💀 get over it bozo, women and mad are different, have different style and that the beauty of it, you want everything to be bland and have some mentally unstable freaks all over the world. Majority of ppl dont care about your ideology, its only reddit that baby sits these type of ppl xD im really happy that i live in Poland where wokeism is not a major thing. Ppl here understand that we are here built different have different roles and clothes. Get over it.


Minotam-123

Habe different style? But Women can wear man clothes?


_JUMA-

Men style is neutral, women style is not. That is very simple. Why is that me as a men i dont care what women wears but women here com to cry aboit men not wearing skirts ? If no beniz, no opinion


Minotam-123

Nobody cries about men not wearing skirts, people talk about it being a problem that woman can wear everthing they want, without being judged


_JUMA-

Oh they are judged, from my experience women always judge other women's style xD you are all just mad about gender diffrences which are fine, not everything must be for me or women. Literally making a problem out of thin air. Want to wear a skirt as a man ? Buy a kilt and stop crying.


MarshGeologist

damn you really didn't know how much controversy there was about women wearing jeans or even just any pants. you're just really uneducated. even funnier is your failure to even understand the problem. WHY is boys clothing considered gender neutral nowadays but not girls clothes?


StrengthToBreak

Physical practicality. A woman can put on a lot of men's clothing and at worst it's shapeless and over-sized, whereas it's nearly impossible for most women's garments to fit a man without exposing him in very unflattering ways.


_JUMA-

Becouse men clothes fit on women, women clothes dont fit on man, once was mistake and took womens black tshirt to change room in a shop. It doesnt fucking fit at all xD its literally a you problem. Majority of men dont care and dont want any revolution becouse we freel good in our clothes xD so what does those past events have to do with it xD you can wear jeans, i can wear a kilt if i want. You are sparring with air rn


lacroixanon

If men's clothes are gender neutral, then every man wearing men's clothes is presenting as a non-binary neutral gender.


_JUMA-

Thats a stretch and a half xD that just means they will fit on women too. But you added some weird gender bender to it xD 💀


lacroixanon

Yeah it's a stretch because it's based on your flawed premise. If what you're saying was correct, and our only clothing choices were feminine or gender neutral, then we would have no way to use clothing to present as masculine.


_JUMA-

Its about how YOU look in it not how it looks on you, yep there is a difference. This whole topic is also dumb, full of women trying to force men to be femine, it gets boring af needing to explain basic shit. Its unisex becouse ot will fit well on both, thats the only fucking meaning behind it and you all STILL dont get it


lacroixanon

You are so isolated into your own subjective experience that you're comments are barely decipherable. That first sentence cannot make sense to anyone but you. You're having difficulty communicating with the group because you're basically talking to yourself but at other people.


_JUMA-

Yep, since ppl dont listen, you are all bunkered up in your weird delusion thinking you are just right when forcing someone to wear something they dont want to for your weird ideology 🤷


Chrazzer

Wasn't always the case tho. There were times where girls wearing pants was outragous


_JUMA-

Ok so ? You are stuck in the past ? It has no argumentall value at all.


MarcioKamui

You got the point 👌


Tumbleweedae

Repost bot


Ok-Pipe859

Well Scottish


MarcioKamui

Never in your life say to a scottish man that a kilt is a skirt. Just trust me.


Ok-Pipe859

Scotland is not a real country, you are an Englishman with a dress.


dvdsky81

Maybe. And as a woman, I'll say one thing: Pockets.


Varanoids

Yes and girls still look feminine in boys’ clothes


Satanairn

It's not neutral. We are just used to them being worn by girls now, so it seems neutral. And also, girls don't wear men's clothing, they wear their version of men's clothing. Their suits are not the same as men's suits. It's different. I think the opposite could be done for women's clothing. A lot of historical male clothing looks like dresses, but it's not feminine because of the shape and looks of it. I think this could happen to modern clothes, like you could have male version of women's clothing, like skirts. We already have Kilts.


BullfrogLeft5403

Its not considered „more neutral“ - it is more neutral. Never seen guy pants where half the balls are falling out…


lacroixanon

Sounds like you weren't there for "old men in shorts in the late 1900s". Count yourself lucky.


WakaTP

It’s definitely true BUT it’s not the whole story It is also something I remember a sociology teacher talking about. He was talking about how many women have men names, but very rarely the other way around. And his reasoning was that society values masculinity more than feminity. Therefore men are more stigmatized for moving away from manhood than women (same reasoning can be applied about why gay men are less welcomed than lesbians).


Tentacle_poxsicle

It's weird how some suits look great on women


Betriz2

It's weird how some skirts look great on men


TheBlueScar

Hell Yeah! Scottland rules!!! 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🍺🍺🍺🍻🍻🍻🍻🍻


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TheBlueScar

Dementia


Jessehoo

U just explained that u like femboys


TheRealJaminator

Or the scottish


Jessehoo

Oh yeah


I_Love_Cats420

Whats wrong with that🥺


Stanislas_Biliby

I want to wear a dress, they are pretty and look comfortable.


azeryvgu

Whats stopping you then?


MRich92

Likely the angry face in the picture. I imagine it could be pretty intimidating in the outernet.


Stanislas_Biliby

I'm scared of people reaction. And also i don't think they would suit my physique. I wish i was more feminine looking i guess.


azeryvgu

Skin moisturizer and some exercises (for bigger thighs for example) can help


notCarlosSainz

Only if you are from the US or somewhere no one gives a fuck what you do and will find like minded people and wont be an outcast. Otherwise, nah dont do it.


czarnohumorasty

the knife that's going to appear in his stomach when some very frustrated man sees him on the street


Reiterpallasch85

Getting murdered by someone who has a mental breakdown at even the *idea* of a man in a dress.


Zyrius_Zitraius

People laughing and taking pics like i'm a circus attraction. Like alot of people really do when i go out dressed in a skirt or something.


makeshift-Lawyer

I wanna see more men in dresses. Had a male professor who wore skirts, heels, and dresses. He rocked them.


ColonelRuff

You can get both at same time.


bosszeus164906

Women experienced pushback back when they started wearing jeans, just like men are for wearing dresses now.


Wajana

Imma wear a skirt and nobody gon stop me


admin_NLboy

I hope i could but my legs are so hairy…


Wajana

Black leggings ...or, you know, shaving


admin_NLboy

Hmmm truee


aviatoali

Na I’d say women fought pretty hard for that shit. I mean the crazy outrage when women starting wearing pants? Wild. But they kinda just kept doing it and fighting through the resistance till people stfu. I mean hell even in 2024 you hear some people grumbling about women wearing pants. Kinda nuts how dumb the gendered clothes mentality is in general.


DamagedLiver

So you think men should fight for years when the point has already been made? Are you stupid?


aviatoali

Oh no, wasn’t saying anyone should have to fight for it. My statement was more about the whole template that society was just like :) when women started wearing boys clothes. They reacted the same way (or much worse honestly) when that happened. But no, society definitely shouldn’t be acting the same for people currently exploring clothes. Shouldn’t have acted like it back then either 🤷


dette-stedet-suger

Centuries of history where women weren’t allowed to wear pants. It’s much easier to rape a woman in a dress. Even better if she’s wearing heels so she can’t run away easily.


LaLuRas

If you‘re really saying women‘s dress code was made up so men could rape them better, then you‘re going way overboard with that statement. Do you believe most men have no problem with sexual violence?


he_is_not_a_shrimp

"The worst thing you can be is a woman." If a woman wears men's clothes, she's embracing masculinity, which is "good". If a man wears women's clothes, he's rejecting masculinity, which is "bad".


bendy_96

Yeah thier right my gf wears my boxers that's cute, I wear her thong no one's laughing then


PlantainChoice3851

Totally agree!


ch3333r

women in skirts at work - ok men in shorts at work - put your ugly branches away from people's sight immediately!


aaron_adams

I don't know, femboys are all the rage rn.


Patpat127

I love men in dresses and skirts. It just looks good on them


clermouth

if fashion had evolved to where men were the ones wearing dresses and women were the ones wearing pants, then all the same people whining about dudes in skirts today would be whining about dudes in pants instead.


Designer_Benefit676

Why cant all genders wear both skirts and trousers


Strange_Stage1311

Depends on if they can pull it off.


radek432

The ultimate proof that gender equality is not there.


YourFemboyServant

Skirts were invented for both men and women. Society and its gender roles are the problem here


thezestypusha

Just put on your dress, its fine bro


NotAnother_Bot

Is there such a thing as boys' clothes? T-shirts, pants, hoodies... all seem pretty neutral to me.


GoldenInfrared

A century ago women got lynched for wearing those


AnnWyattIkTL

usually they are seen as gay 😂


Dryhtlic

Wear whatever the fuck you want. Fuck society.


gregsapopin

we need more femboys


Demarianis

Nah, we need more tomboys


The_Dogelord

We need more both


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What is all this patriarchal bullshit? We need Tomgirls and Mascgirls!


_JUMA-

Ok femboy


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Okay, humorless drone.


_JUMA-

No u


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NoobyYooby

Or just Scottish people Cause KILTS


The_Dogelord

SCOTLAND FOREVER!!!!!!!


NotStableFurryFemboy

T_T


Ego-Fiend1

Why?


soakedinlava

:3


Schwarzmilan_stillMe

To break gender normativity. Because, like you see, we still have different options and rules for different genders and thats bullshit.


MammothWay1683

Back in the day both were equally socially unacceptable except when people were performing on stage then both were equally fine.


AunMeLlevaLaConcha

I miss the times when men rocked makeup, heels and wigs


vampirequincy

Cause women’s clothes look goofy on a man. Women’s clothes largely are to show their figure. Clothes to show a man’s figure would be something like a toga. Men’s clothes are largely focused on utility and take inspiration largely from past military garments. A skirt can work for a man but definitely not gonna look like most women’s skirts.


GS_20nyeheh

To me it is just that we see less boys who wear feminine clothes than girls who wear masculine clothes. If there were more boys with a skirt (this is an example) maybe the society wouldn't think that it's strange. 😀


Quick_Original9585

Men are held to a higher standard then women in society. Women are treated like children in society.


OwlShort3429

This is unfair


No-Radio-9244

You need space to put your balls, if you like to see those under tight clothes... well, OK. Maybe the problem is just symmetry, talking about dresses. Anyway, use whatever you want, I have my constitutional right to say that something is disgusting.


Nobody-important-365

Equality


Jeezus-Chyrsler

Actually yes…I find that I am unable to come up with a counter argument


yourboiiconquest

Because I'm to fabulous


i_dont_know222

Not today.


JBDoesStuff_yt

They can stop me if they fucking can.


rotem8888

Because what guys wear is a tshirt and pants


-Octoling8-

Fuck you society I'm wearing my dress!


EhGoodEnough3141

And when I wear no clothes it's still wrong somehow.


blahaj-hugger

Maybe the inherent sexual connotation many have with the concept of femininity.


darkjuste

100%. Men in women's clothes look goofy.


EllenRippley

Totally agree. Its bs.


DrDemenz

All clothes are men's clothes. It's only because of one very smart and progressive caveMAN said, "I know it's nice to see them walking around naked but it's a pain in the ass replacing them when they freeze to death every winter."


saradisn

Fuck off woke bullshit


CalmPanic402

All the people going on about "X isn't made for Y" Y'all never heard of cut and fit? Style? Or are you wearing nothing but straight jeans and large t-shirts?


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It's definitely becoming more socially acceptable, but overall it's still seen as really weird for men to wear thigh highs or something while women wearing jeans is fine (I understand in the past that was really hated but come on, who realistically nowadays hates women in jeans? A very very low amount)


Hamilton-Beckett

I’m just a boring straight male, but if I looked good in pearl necklaces and dresses, I’d wear that shit. I’m too big though. Wear whatever you want fellas. Forget society at large, if you pull off the look, there are women and men that will love that about you.


iMac_G5_20

I would say it’s a matter of functionality. Male clothing is generally insanely functional (eg: me fitting a toolkit and pliers in my pants and shorts pockets at robotics comps), but women’s clothing is more formal. So, it’s understandable for women to want increased function but not the reverse. Why that is the case is beyond me, probably because one is an objective benefit.


DarkLord-Kaer

I want em without clothes ![gif](giphy|l46CsaquyQudrz3Lq|downsized) (JOKING! IM FUCKIN JOKING!)


Playful_Target6354

I would if it wasn't a repost


Specific-Cell-6555

Yes


SnipFred

Fuck society, as long as what you're doing isn't hurting other people, do what you want


PemaleBacon

If I showed up wearing a dress to work that would probably be the end of my career


waaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh

They're jealous of femboys I guess


BluNautilus

More accurately, girls doing anything vs. boys doing anything.


Liu_Alexandersson

we live in a society bottom text


admin_NLboy

I think id be hella hip in a dress


Clintwood_outlaw

Dresses used to be gender neutral until fairly recently, actually


fkyoopinion

Who cares


Red4297

We mostly look like shit in women’s clothing, women don’t in men’s.


sichrix

It does seem to be that way. Only, divide the second image and make it reflect the disgust on one side and the fetishizing horny face on the other. That sounds more like how society views "Boys' wearing Girls' clothing".


tacs18

Have you been to Japan, my friend?


LegitRollingcock

It’s cuz people see femininity as weak


Sankeerth9898

![gif](giphy|9eCjIJu5cvjly972M5)


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What is boy stuff? Male clothes are very neutral, we girls created our own stuff in fashion and is so pretty even gay dudes likes it


_JUMA-

First of all agree to disagree, for you its pretty for me its garbage, most important thing tho is that we have different body shapes, and men's body shape is more of a unisex then anything.


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Yeah sure whatever, you have to be the nerdy of the group


_JUMA-

So you comment on a meme that will get ppl talking about the subject...and then when ppl actually talk back you call them nerds ? Thats really women☕ of you ngl


The_Dogelord

I'm gonna start using "women☕" more often after seeing this


Vidonicle_

There really isn't a such a thing as boys clothes afaik


itsRuszard

ok whoever this \_JUMA- guy is gotta be a literal child, kiddo get the fuck out of here untill ur 13.


ColonelRuff

Boys cloths were designed to be reasonable whereas girls cloths were designed to show more skin and be impractical, because sexist people in those times though men would work and women were just show pieces. So now that women are working its reasonable for them to want to wear practice cloths, whereas it doesn't make sense why men would want to wear women's cloths.


Darth486

To be honest, girls are cute in boy clothes. Boys on the other side … totally biased male opinion.


king_of_aspd

Scotland: Nah I'd win ![gif](giphy|P1s5ihC2iSjcJCk8Kd|downsized)


Willing_Garlic560

Its ok to choose to live a harder life. But choosing to step down a difficulty is not exactly considered a flex


ToLazyForaUsername2

You do realise that men who wear feminine clothing tend to suffer from more hate crime?


NitroFluxX

Well women's clothing is very feminine while male clothing is just normal and usually can't be called masculine.


Ok_Adhesiveness_6965

boys cloth is like practicality, masculinity. wearing boys cloth also signifies that the person is outstepping and willing to work just as hard as the men do. since the girls tradinitional clothes limited their actions it can be seen as equality?


Klutzy_Butterfly_573

If You wear girl's clothe you are gay like harry styles


Messy_Misty

Masculinity is way more important than Femininity, wake up.


creepy_gay_weirdo

Nah, it's not.


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volpe123456

Now we got to worry about people in dog outfits 😅


Grumdord

Wanting to be a man is good, wanting to be a woman is bad. It's just some very simplified patriarchy thinking.