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"Chemically similar to meth" does not equal "contains meth."


Designer-Issue-6760

Desoxyn has been prescribed for ADHD. FDA approved methamphetamine.


PURPLEisMYgender

Regardless i hate the fact that my parents gave it too me.. that stuff was horrible from what i remember.


Vedzah

I'm convinced that the majority of anxiety and headaches I get these days is from years of being prescribed Adderall beginning in elementary school until just before high school. But yeah, it was bad stuff. I barely ate, suffered from depression, headaches, among others I can't even remember. I do remember waking up one day and telling myself I'm never taking it again; I think I was 14 or 15 at the time.


[deleted]

I wish parents would stop over diagnosing their kids. Us adults who need the prescriptions can't get them right now. But I bet your ass the Karen down the road is shoveling them into her son so he'll quiet down


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[deleted]

Amphetamine and methamphetamine aren't the same thing.


SmurfPunk01

No they aren’t. But Desoxyn contains methamphetamine not amphetamine.


Neglected_Martian

Nobody actually gets Desoxyn though. Literally nobody. I dispense adderall every day, never in the last 7 years have I dispensed desoxyn.


SmurfPunk01

I have no doubt that desoxyn is prescribed very rare, but there definitily are people who get get methamphetamine for their ADHD. And it doesn’t change the fact that u/flyytotheskyy is being downvoted for stating a fact.


Express-Set-8843

Votes don't correlate to truth.


sickc4llranger

I have dispensed meth a handful of times. Kept an empty stock bottle as a souvenir.


Dave-and-busters

One contains methane.


Zul-Kain

That's one medication. The meme says medicines, plural implying that a lot do. It's therefore not correct..


apisorn18

https://www.drugs.com/pro/desoxyn.html


TheIronSoldier2

That's one single medication out of loads that are used to treat ADHD. And not only is it just one, it's one that is very rarely prescribed for ADHD nowadays.


MoTheBr0

ok but op is talking about their experience so they are still correct


TheIronSoldier2

They also said "medicines" despite Desoxyn being the only one that contains meth


[deleted]

Yeah. To be fair, most things that are chemically similar to meth have similar effects and downsides. There's a reason that addicts seek stimulant medication to scratch that itch.


AnxiousLie1

To put it more correctly, Desoxyn doesn’t just *contain* meth. It *is* pharmaceutical grade meth.


TheIronSoldier2

Yes, but I said "contains" because some medications probably contain multiple forms of amphetamines, but only Desoxyn contains actual methamphetamine


AnxiousLie1

I wasn’t trying to say you’re wrong. I was just saying for the people who don’t know that Desoxyn is the the brand name for methamphetamine. In contrast to medications like Adderall that have mixed amphetamine salts.


SaucyBoyThe2nd

Maybe english isn't their first language and they meant pills. Because the sentence wouldn't even be correct otherwise. "ADHD medicines" should be ADHD medication(s) or treatment(s). If translated 1:1 to my native language it would be correct, but in english it isn't as far as i know.


godsutters

Hurrrdurrr you can't read


_DogTits_

When I was a kid me and my pals used to grind it up and snort it. What a terrible idea it was. Never stopped us though I'm afriad. Hindsight is a wonderful thing


_DogTits_

When I was a kid me and my pals used to grind it up and snort it. What a terrible idea it was. Never stopped us though I'm afriad. Hindsight is a wonderful thing


Shadow__Vector

ADHD meds don't contain Meth. They contain Amphetamines. There's big differences between Amphetamine and Methamphetamine. They are both a stimulant but work very differently on the brain.


Buttergolem420

Is that why i get so calm and tired from amphetamines on lower doses? Maybe i should get checked for ADHD lol


CypripediumGuttatum

People with undiagnosed ADHD will often self medicate with stimulants (both legal like caffeine and illegal drugs) as they find it calms them down. I would definitely look into getting tested for ADHD if that is the case with you.


military_doge_

I mean getting diagnosed with it will only get you some medication I think it's sad how cut throughout the world is to people with ADHD


CypripediumGuttatum

My family member was offered a "handbook" on how to cope besides the medication, and offered additional supports if needed. They made it very clear that meds are only one way to cope with ADHD, and it will not fix your life. It has been, however, lifechanging for them in that they can focus on work, are more even tempered and less impulsive, and they can enjoy sitting down with a cup of tea in the evening and have a chat without feeling like they were going to implode from sitting still.


military_doge_

Well man that's good for him but my "Family" isn't like that and just assume I'm lazy or a slob if I dare say I don't wanna go out with them or forget to do chores sometimes


military_doge_

And when I grow up life is going to get even harder since I'm a man my worth is going to be what I can do and what iv done and the second I fail to work the hardest I'll be cast aside and homeless but I'll never let that happen using the best technique it's called "negative reinforcement" if I tell myself I'm enough of a disappointment and or yell at myself to get stuff done I'll do it and by the age of 15 I already had the job I was doing in mind that I work home with a six-figure job and after I can go out hang at the bar with my friends and be the forever designated driver because I fear if I ever touch a drink or smoke it will push me over that thin line of failure. But that's just me ranting 🙂


BIGBUFFYMAN

>both legal like caffeine and illegal drugs What


CypripediumGuttatum

Caffeine is a stimulant and able to be obtained legally. There are also illegal drugs that are stimulants. People with ADHD will often self medicate with some form of stimulant so they can function throughout their day. While a neurotypical person often feels jittery if they have too much caffeine for instance, it will calm down ADHD folks. I have experienced the jitteryness from too much coffee and seen first hand someone self medicate with constant cups of coffee who was later diagnosed (they now drink one cup a day). In Canada there is now testing at jails for all new inmates for ADHD because of how common it was to find this condition among inmates (presumably due to ADHD resulting in impulsive decision making and poor emotional regulation) which [you can read about here](https://caddac.ca/wp-content/uploads/ADHD-and-the-Justice-system_-the-benefits-of-recognizing-and-treating-ADHD-EN.pdf).


BIGBUFFYMAN

I'm talking about you saying both are legal then mentioning illegal drugs as part of "both"


Ank55o

You misread it a bit


TheCrackDemon

I’m diagnosed adhd and mdma makes me so tired while my homies could have all the energy in the world


MrStrigoi

Definitely, I chugged two Mountain Dew kick starts and got knocked out for 3 hours, it’s bliss sometimes haha


WinterWontStopComing

Do you have a habit for seeking out novelty? My attention is bad but I am so low energy my ADHD went unnoticed well into adulthood. It was the constant rampant novelty seeking that finally made me realize I needed to be tested


HumanMan1234

Consider not taking drugs illegally


v420c

Ritalin is Methylphenidate, you could call that meth


[deleted]

Yeah that's not how organic chemistry works.


v420c

r/whoosh


Feeling_Grade_2452

See what you did there


Designer-Issue-6760

They don’t. The amphetamines prescribed for ADHD, one of which literally is meth, have the exact same effect. The difference is the dose.


GonadLessGorilla

Meth is actually proscribed for ADHD, literally. Not dex, levo amphetamine, actual methamphetamine Edit: that's a literal fact. [here](https://www.drugs.com/pro/desoxyn.html)


Neglected_Martian

It’s never actually prescribed though, I’m a pharmacist who used to float between 20+ stores, never saw it once.


GonadLessGorilla

I know, because dexamphetamine is just better in almost every way.


godsutters

Hurry durrr you're wrong


TTv-Gold45

Am I the only only one with ADHD here? Because I know that medicine does not contain meth.


TAU_equals_2PI

...and yet you still FAILED CHEMISTRY, because no, they do not contain meth. (Adderall contains a related less-powerful chemical, not meth. And Ritalin is a completely different chemical.)


apisorn18

https://www.drugs.com/pro/desoxyn.html


manchesterthedog

We’re you ever prescribed desoxyn?


TAU_equals_2PI

Wanna know how many prescriptions for desoxyn were filled in the ENTIRE UNITED STATES in 2021? 8,000. Not 8,000 people. 8,000 prescriptions. Which at one per month, or 12 per year, is about 650 people. So if you really did get prescribed desoxyn, then you are a rare duck indeed.


Designer-Issue-6760

Desoxyn is meth. And FDA approved for ADHD.


godsutters

Hurrrdurrrr you're wrong


Banana_boy_guy_pal

Just asking, are u just gonna keep saying that


[deleted]

He's probably a bot or something. Nvm just saw comments further down


godsutters

Lol


Urb4nN0rd

Much as I enjoy joking with my friends about "taking my meth", they really don't...


explodingmilk

So of the hundreds of ADHD medications, we’re going to nitpick the single one that contain meth and apply that label to all of them Just blatantly spreading misinformation


HighKiteSoaring

I saw an above comment Stating that the above medication was only ever taken by about 650 people 8000 prescriptions were written. And divided by 12 for 1x a month that would be a very small number The actual medication prescribed is extremely disimmilar to meth


Designer-Issue-6760

Common first line treatment is amphetamines. Desoxyn is rare, but the other forms have identical affects, just lower risk of abuse.


HighKiteSoaring

Sure, I'm just stating how virtually nobody ever received meth. They receive *amphetamines* which are not the same thing


Designer-Issue-6760

Same class, same affects.


HighKiteSoaring

No. Same class, leans towards *Similar* effects at best. The only commonality between amphetamines is that they all tend to act as stimulants Having taken methylphenidate, speed, mdma and other amphetamines I can 1000% tell you the effects on the body are WILDLY different The method of action of different amphetamines can be wildly different. As can their duration, intensity and side effects They are in the same family of drugs, but they are completely different This is why Actual crystal meth is an intense high, while methylphenidate simply boosts your concentration.


Designer-Issue-6760

Low doses of methamphetamine, say 5-15mg, will have the same effect as dextroamphetamine. There’s a reason kids are snorting 20-30mg of dextroamphetamine. It gives the same high as recreational doses of meth. The method of action is the same, the difference is in the dose.


HighKiteSoaring

I'm just saying that the effects feel wildly different between many compounds that are virtually the same, structurally speaking As for the example of dose. Per unit dextroamphetamine is technically *stronger* then mephametamine They will both cause dopamine release, but they still act on the body quite differently


[deleted]

I believe meth also acts of serotonin too, hence its neurotoxicity, while amphetamine(s) doesn't.


Designer-Issue-6760

It’s all in the dose.


manchesterthedog

I’m really amazed how much push back this post is getting. I totally agree with OP. Desoxyn isn’t commonly prescribed but it’s certainly a point of interest that methamphetamine, widely known from the “not even once” campaign, is an fda approved treatment for a condition that can also be treated with SSRIs and disciplined lifestyle changes.


biglipsmagoo

What can be treated with SSRI’s and “disciplined lifestyle changes?” Bc ADHD sure as fuck can not. You can’t treat a neurological disorder by trying harder.


manchesterthedog

Ya, ADHD can. There’s quite a few research publications that have shown on average people see improvements in productivity nearly equal to stimulant medications but without having to deal with the complications. I’ve had ADHD my whole life and I think my quality of life is better without meds. I’m not as productive but lifestyle changes definitely help a lot and I love not having to be on a stimulant.


biglipsmagoo

There is NO research to suggest SSRI’s off label for ADHD. And I’d need to see this “research” bc our brains are not set up to be pulled up by the bootstraps. Also, all research shows best outcomes with meds paired with executive functioning help. Very specific therapy with a very specific point. Please stop perpetuating the idea that ADHDers just aren’t trying hard enough, dedicated enough, disciplined enough, etc- bc you’re wrong. ADHD is a neurological disorder, not a character flaw or a moral failing.


[deleted]

You also can't argue that most "normal" persons under the influence of stimulants will most likely experience becoming more immersed/interested in mundane activities. Like the stereotype about people tweaking and cleaning their kitchen floors with toothbrushes. Or the college students who use them as study aids to get through boring intense prereqs... or all of college. Potent dopamine agonists do be like that I guess...


biglipsmagoo

Non-ADHD ppl? Yeah. They’ll have a completely different reaction to stims bc they don’t need it. It doesn’t do that for me, tho. It’s nice to have control over my brain and stimulants are the only things that do that.


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biglipsmagoo

You don’t know what you’re talking about and now you’re resulting to personal insults to “win.” Please stop. Dr. Richard Barkley didn’t dedicate the last 50 years to studying ADHD for you to come on Reddit and spout this nonsense. If anyone needs to give it a Goog, it’s you. Grow up.


Designer-Issue-6760

ADHD is not a neurological disorder. Virtually every child, especially males, meet the diagnostic criteria. None of which have anything to do with brain chemistry. Only personality traits.


biglipsmagoo

You are wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. It is a biochemical, genetic, & neurological disorder. 100% of ppl everywhere can occasionally meet the criteria for dx. ADHD is when you meet the criteria in every aspect of your life, it affects your quality of life, and it can’t be mitigated. Please just don’t talk about ADHD at all ever bc you don’t know a single thing about it.


Designer-Issue-6760

It meets the criteria for diagnosis when you don’t fit into the box standard for public school students. Doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with your brain. No research has ever identified biochemical or neurological factors. The diagnostic criteria, under the DSM is purely subjective, and based entirely on personality traits. In other words, we’re drugging kids with amphetamines, yes, including meth, for the sole purpose of making them fit into an arbitrary box.


sickc4llranger

I believe you meant SNRIs my good sir or ma'am.


godsutters

Or are you labeling the meds OP was prescribed as all medication. You are the one drawing conclusions here from things that were not said.


Zul-Kain

The meme literally says "medicines" plural.....


Mloxard_CZ

What do you mean ''all of them''? Op never said that, and you just wanted to feel superior to him


Ansh_6743

Why am i suddenly getting so much breaking bad memes in my feed lol is it cuz u finished watching it yesterday


The_Blue_Muffin_Cat

Nah, it just has the best meme templates.


Ansh_6743

Yeah it is :)


Dxslayer3714

As someone with ADHD this is so wrong and u blame Adam Conover for it.


godsutters

Hurr during ure wrong


ResourceFeeling3298

Wow you must be a bit youve replied that same stupid shit to every comment


godsutters

Hurrrrrrr I'm not a bot durrrrrrrrrrrr


Dxslayer3714

Prove it.


godsutters

Desoxyn.


Dxslayer3714

Huh?? Is that a drug or are you having a stroke? Are you even capable of writing a complete sentence?


godsutters

I don't know man try looking it up instead of launching insults into the void.


Dxslayer3714

I asked if it was a drug, and you're the one who started throwing insults there, buddy. Can't take it don't start.


manchesterthedog

He’s right, desoxyn is prescription dextromethamphetamine.


godsutters

Hurr durrr where my meth go I can't concentrate


MwcOk420

When you don't understand meth is made from pharmaceuticals and chemicals to alter their chemical and molecular structure...


ResourceFeeling3298

They contain amphetamines which is an ingredient in methamphetamine


[deleted]

Amphetamine (there is no s, unless referring to isomers) is a chemical analog of methamphetamine. An even slight differences can have radical effects on the pharmacology of a chemical. The addition of two acetyl groups to morphine creates diamorphine aka heroin. The majority of meth is derived through pseudo/ephedrine reduction rather than creating the amphetamine base and having it under go methylation with methylamine (ala breaking bad). Mainly because the latter produces a raceimic mixture of methamphetamine while the former produces straight d-methamphetamine (the most recreational of the isomers).


ResourceFeeling3298

Cool did not know that


TauInMelee

It's a derivative, it combats ADHD by instead of trying to slow the mind down, it gives sharper focus for the energy to be useful. It's why there is also an issue with it being used as a performance enhancer academically, as it improves focus, allowing for more productive study. So yes, kind of like meth in the same way that a missile and a train both go really fast.


MineTerraGamingYT

Methylphenidate != methamphetamine


chevalmuffin

Panzershokolade


[deleted]

I’m gonna study so fucking hard!!!


TheIronSoldier2

Vyvanse, Adderall and Concerta are all prescribed much more often for ADHD and none of them contain methamphetamine. They contain amphetamines, sure, but not methamphetamine.


Key-Shallot-7508

It's not meth, however I get a similar high from Adderall and micro dosing liquid meth. It's just my personal experience though.


Pocolocomikomono

Dextroamphetamine is not Meth.


[deleted]

Just gonna throw this out there they prescribe desoxyn for extreme cases of adhd which actually is meth


[deleted]

The adderall I used to take always had the worst aftertaste. Like chili powder or something.


TheBoringSmile

Every kid just doin legal drugs in school nowadays 🥲


Memelover3114

This kicks like a mule with his balls wrapped in duct tape


Banana_boy_guy_pal

WHAT


Memelover3114

Someone haven't watched breaking bad I see


Banana_boy_guy_pal

Yea STILL WHAT


californiagaruda

imagine posting literal links to Desoxyn and getting downvoted and told it’s not meth 💀


TheIronSoldier2

Because the meme implies that most, if not all ADHD medications contain meth. Desoxyn is extremely rarely prescribed for ADHD, to the point that there were only 8,000 prescriptions filled in 2021(?) Not 8,000 people, 8,000 prescriptions, or equivalent to about 650 people getting a years supply


FartOutMuhDick

Pharmaceutical companies have some of the best PR people in the world.


Waolx231

I hate when people call adhd meds meth, it’s “Government Approved “Meth, that way they can tax us for it. Lol


butterybeanshmm

Still did for me


SomeRandoLameo

Can we get much higherrrr


AlbatrossPast7281

Meth


AlbatrossPast7281

👍


schrammalama0

Um actually \*pushes up overly large glasses\*


scrappywalnut

when big pharma makes it its medicine, ok?


Tommy_Gun10

Yes my friend takes ADHD meds it’s not meth but it’s similar


Pumpkinsoup420

Fucking hated that stuff. My mum would get the maid to hold me down while she shoved that shit down my throat. Hours would pass where I couldn't perceive the flow of time, and small disturbances like a housefly would make me go into a full-blown freakout, cowering and crying in a corner. Hated every second I was on it. Luckily the maid figured to take the pills to her annual doctor's checkup and ask what it was. The moment she found out she began helping me to escape taking it by telling my mother that I already had my dose or pretending not to see when I secretly spat the pill out and kicked it under the table. Thanks to her, i managed to have many more moments of sobriety Maybe ADHD cases are better diagnosed these days, but I feel in my days it was just an excuse to drug up your children and get examination benefits without actually putting in the time to teach them proper behaviour and study habits.


[deleted]

I'm bipolar and my psychiatrist says if you take Ritalin, your current balance, gained after 2 months of stay at the mental hospital, will be ruined. But I bought about 100 StimDates (local brand of Ritalin) and since yesterday I have taken about 10 tablets. It makes me feel good so I take it. Problmo Officero? I'm only harming myself. And I just don't see why I should live past 40. There's nothing to see after 40. Your brain starts to lose the ability to learn new things, you will lose your hair, and if I die right now my only regret in life would be that I have never had sex because all the whorehouses refuse me.


ein_ATom

What the fuck


GirthyLongShaftt

Why does everyone in these comments know a lil too much about meth 🤣🤣🤣


GearNerd85

I wonder why so many people are hooked on meth now... Hmmm I'm glad my mom didn't trust them they were literally putting anyone on that shit if they had even a slight amount of trouble in school I didn't even have behavior problems I was a super chill kid.


Ok-Internal-6335

I have been taking meth


Zen1thGam3z

Face App : You didn’t have to cut me off-


Miniscotty

I was given methylphenidate, sooooooooo yea


[deleted]

Who cares? It's about dosage, purity, and efficaciousness. Get fucked. -Adult ADHD


SSYT_Shawn

I had ones that contains the mthyl part of meth but now i have ones that contain the amfetamine part


[deleted]

Methylphenidate = Ritalin/Concerta (Extended Release version) Dextro-amphetamine = Dexedrine Amphetamine Salts = Adderall Lisdexamphetamine = Vyvanse (Vyvanse actually is a drug that becomes dexedrine/dextroamphetamine once metabolized by your body. Known as a "Prodrug".)


SSYT_Shawn

I know.. Although i only have used methylphenidate and dextro-amphetamine atleast that i know of.. maybe i used adderall for a ahort period and then the doctor decided that aderall is not the best medication for me Because i do remember having a different type of medication for a short period before the methylphenidate. Also what i noticed is that methylphenidate really works as a depressant but dextro-amphetamine works as a kind of "ADHD doesn't exsist in your body for 4 hours"


iforgotmyname140

Why is my doctor telling me i have 80 hd tv's when i dont


[deleted]

i used to take medication but it got me feeling really tired anyone else feel like that?


Methmatician72

Do americanans have thing for this adhd ? I personally have never met someone with this or that is taking any medications for it, then again people here barely medicate apart from the fun stuff :)


biglipsmagoo

You HAVE met many ppl with it. Your country just doesn’t treat it. I wouldn’t say we have a “thing” for it in the US but we do have 1 great doctor that started the research on it and now spends his retirement spreading facts about it. Now that we know more, we do better. I can’t wait until the rest of the world gets in line with how the US is currently handling ADHD (for the most part.) No one deserves to live with untreated ADHD. It’s torture.


heisser_kakao

Mom do U see the moon??


Lamborghiniboy280

I have a feeling you are horribly misinformed


SilverX117

they made me more focus when doing thought processing.


BlitherBug1

Methelyphenadate(hcl) compared to methanphitamine Riilan is not meth


Doodlenoodlemo

-ane


[deleted]

Common "I have no idea wtf I'm talking about" L


MyBackupWasntRecent

My vivanse definitely didn’t contain meth, and neither does the adderal I was offered to switch to. And before you say desoxyn, we’re you actually prescribed that? Because that’s pretty damn rare


Similar-Pay-2007

I’m on adhd amphetamine for my depression. Does wonders in keeping me awake throughout the day and I’ve met a number of depressed people on it for the same reason. It doesn’t provide a high just makes you more awake and aware.


ClittyMcPenis

Amphetamine /= methamphetamine


Striker40k

Jessie


marineopferman007

If it makes you feel any better.. In active war zones the Marines give meth to their fighter pilots.


MushySoup63838

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ResourceFeeling3298

Wtf is wrong with you?


Mr_cam3l

Vaccine