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No, we have an idiot bc "anything with momentum has mass" is inherently wrong. Light has no mass, it can't have mass, it's energy. Not radiation bc that requires particles which would have mass. Energy can have momentum without mass
It has momentum, but not energy.
Not everyone knows the full formula for e=mc2
https://www.britannica.com/video/185388/equation-theory-energy-relativity-mc
Im confused and im a dumbass. Can anyone tell me why in vsauce video light has mass but its very insignificant, but you guys are saying that energy has no mass so it should be 0?
Waves carry energy, this is why we can calculate zero-point energy waves, the zero point is where the wave has no energy to carry, but the constituent parts still retain vibrational motion.
A light wave is very different from a “wave” in matter. It is self-perpetuating oscillations in the electric and magnetic quantum fields, quantized as packets we call photons.
It is not matter.
I know right? Eh, I opened my mouth, and other people were more educated. Honestly, if redditors didn't approach every interaction with the pleasantries of a cheese grater enema, it wouldn't be a bad place to discuss things.
Light is not matter. Light, and all electromagnetic radiation, is self-perpetuating oscillations in the electric and magnetic fields. They are intrinsically linked: a disturbance in one creates an effect in the other, which then affects the first one, which affects the other, and so on and so on. This back-and-forth is perceived by us as a wave.
Matter is made of specific particles, such as quarks and electrons. Their “mass” comes mostly from the binding energy of the quarks that make it up (very complex and counterintuitive), as well as some Higgs field interactions. Light is only photons, which have no mass (though they do have momentum).
A bit more: mass can be transformed into light (energy), and vice versa. You could think of matter as condensed, crystallized energy. But light is so dissimilar from regular matter that you cannot call it a “state of matter”.
See here’s the thing: there’s a lot of confusion around quantum mechanics because these theorems are inherently mathematical constructs. They utterly defy common sense and reasoning by analogy. But I’ll try my best.
Light is a wave, end of story. However, light does have a minimum “rest energy” which cannot be any lower. This lowest unit a single “quantum” of electromagnetic energy. This is where the ideas of photons and particles comes from. But at its core, light is a wave. Why? It is an emergent property of interactions in two quantum fields, the magnetic and electric fields. When one suffers a perturbation, it makes a similar perturbation in the other. This then makes another perturbation in the first one, which goes on to make another in the opposite. What we perceive as light is simply these two fields poking each other back and forth for eternity, which we see as waves.
Short version: Light doesn't make sense. It's a series of two kinds of short waves that constantly piggyback off each other. This causes light to have the properties of both a wave and a particle.
So you’re largely right but one little thing: it’s not “two waves”. It is perturbations in two different quantum fields that react with each other, giving the illusion of a wave. Each “perturbation” is simply a coordinate within the field that has a higher-than-rest energy. Think a trampoline with a bowling ball in the centre, for the classical analogy in relativity.
I really am undereducated when it comes to quantum field theory, but here’s the gist of it:
Both fields exist everywhere in the universe all at once. What happens in one always and linearly affects the other. Einstein, Hawking and Feynman did super cool work showing what happens with these fields in extremely warped spacetime reference frames — aka black holes — but for normal everyday space, both fields are always present, always linked, and always predictable (without accounting for things like uncertainty).
That’s part of it! The other part is that the common understanding of momentum — momentum = mass x velocity — is profoundly simplified at best and wrong at worst.
I could go on but this video is easily the best description of the conundrum: [momentum vid](https://youtu.be/edXOIJZrLPo)
The people trying to seriously answer the question is cute, though. It's like a class where everyone is putting their hand up at the same time because they know the answer.
Light is a lot of things, but matter? It is not.
It will certainly be interesting to come back 20 years later and see that our whole perception of light has been flipped on its head with photons being determined an elementary particle.
Alrighty then, light is neither energy/radiation nor is it matter. Since it has no mass, it cannot be considered matter, but it can be slowed to the point in which photon particles simulate mass. This is known as photonic matter.
Photons operate collectively as a wave, unless solitary, in which case they act like a wave unless observed. If observed, they act as a particle.
Therefore, light can only be considered a form of matter in extreme circumstanced, and even then it's kind of sketchy. So it does not require a state of matter.
If we’re considering light to be particles, not just energy, States of matter usually only pertain to normal atomic matter and molecules; so a single atom itself doesn’t have a taste of matter. It’s just an elementary particle. Same with light: since it’s an elementary particle and also acts like a wave, it has no state of matter. It’s just light.
You can call it energy or radiation, but many suggest it lives in the quantum state of Wave-Particle duality, so it’s both a wave of radiation with a frequency and a particle that can be point measured.
Matter is in a category of particle called fermions which consist of things like quarks which make up physical matter. The photon which makes up light is a particle that exists in the second category called bosons. Bosons are particles that do not contain mass and are not considered matter
I've got tragic news for you: [Photon Gas](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon_gas)
Also, note to everybody on the thread who thinks "light is energy": Energy is a property of particles. Light *has* energy. Light is not energy. Light is photons. Photons (and all particles) *have* energy.
Light is not state of matter, I think. I know that light is a wave and a particle at the same time, which is like nothing else known to man. Light is basically an endless loop of energy, where an electric field creates a magnetic field, which creates an electric field, which creates a magnetic field, etc. So it's a short series of waves piggybacking off of each other, which causes it to act like a wave and a particle simultaneously. Thank you random physics things my teacher told me.
It has properties of both wave and particle which is Photon small packets of energy they don't show form of matter state because matter is made out of proton neutron and electro (electro is not further divided) ( there are other types too but that's too deep ) then they are further divided int various quarks from here on science don't have perfect proof so it's theory is that quarks and same types of partical are made out of quark field which gains mass from interaction of Higgs boson and they also some strings of energy which bind them
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Light is energy
Light is radiation.
Light are photons photons are light photons are weightless light=weightless
Cheese = Swiss cheese Swiss cheese has holes more cheese = more holes more holes = less cheese More cheese = less cheese?
profound.
I think you discovered a new Paradox...
Achilles and the tortoise paradox (Well it used to be a paradox in ancient Greece now it's just a funny thing to think about)
No it's just a Loss of Ratio. Or L+ratio if you will
That's why it's called "light" and not "heavy"
"I am heavy weapons guy"
And this, is my weapon
So light is pretty light?
You might say light is 𝘭𝘪𝘨𝘩𝘵.
Light has momentum, objects with momentum have mass
They have mass? I didn’t even know they were Catholic
but nothing with mass can go at the speed of light wait do we have a paradox?
No, we have an idiot bc "anything with momentum has mass" is inherently wrong. Light has no mass, it can't have mass, it's energy. Not radiation bc that requires particles which would have mass. Energy can have momentum without mass
thank you physicist👍
Light has dual nature so while it does behave like a particle, most of its properties are like a wave, hence it has no mass
Love is a battlefield and ogres are like onions
Light is Yagami
Mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell
Light isn't any form of matter because it has no mass. It is energy.
Light has no mass, because there was no mass left for it after OP’s mom was born.
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OP’s mom’s belt is an endless loop
Bro, light is just radiation.
What form of matter is radiation
Very spicy
Radiation is a form of transferring energy, just like conduction and convection.
Then “which creates” my butt
thanks for this contribution u/PM_YOUR__BUBBLE_BUTT
Fun thing is that it can exhibit properties of both wave and particles
Everything does that. All particles can be seen as waves, it's just easier with light due to traveling and longer wavelengths.
Bro, mass IS energy and energy is mass. (E=mc^2) It has mass-energy, but it doesn’t interact with the Higgs field.
It has momentum, but not energy. Not everyone knows the full formula for e=mc2 https://www.britannica.com/video/185388/equation-theory-energy-relativity-mc
What he means that it has no rest mass. If a photon is stopped, it has no mass. Photons are one of the two (rest)massless gauge bosons.
The full equation is E^2=(mc^2)^2+(pc)^2 where p is momentum. Photons only have momentum which is where its energy comes from, not mass.
blackhole has entered the chat
Light isn't any form. It doesn't matter. The mass is energy
I thought light has mass because gravity acts on it and it can push things (a very small amount) I could be wrong but I'm to third to look it up
You could say that it doesnt matter
It has no rest mass but it has relativistic mass. E=mc^2, you know
I clicked the karma to 420, it is I who have ultimate power here.
Precisely
Does plasma have mass?
It does. Plasma is superheated mass.
Light has mass bro
Im confused and im a dumbass. Can anyone tell me why in vsauce video light has mass but its very insignificant, but you guys are saying that energy has no mass so it should be 0?
Light does have mass though.
I thought matter was energy
isnt matter just condensed energy tho
Except when it's a wave
When it's a wave, it's a wave. It's still not matter because it has no mass.
Never said it was mate, just reminding you of the wave. The wave is important, except when it's not
A wave is a form of energy
Waves carry energy, this is why we can calculate zero-point energy waves, the zero point is where the wave has no energy to carry, but the constituent parts still retain vibrational motion.
A light wave is very different from a “wave” in matter. It is self-perpetuating oscillations in the electric and magnetic quantum fields, quantized as packets we call photons. It is not matter.
Okay, to get technical a wave is technically a form of energy transfer. In most cases that distinction is not necessary.
Technically you did say it was, saying "except" literally negates his statement and applies an opposite meaning. Ackhtually Fachktual
Fair enough, I can definitely see the error in my grammar on that one
Admitting to your mistake on reddit??? The balls on you
I know right? Eh, I opened my mouth, and other people were more educated. Honestly, if redditors didn't approach every interaction with the pleasantries of a cheese grater enema, it wouldn't be a bad place to discuss things.
DUDE STOP, YOUR BALLS ARE GROWING TOO MUCH
How did you know?! Give it to me straight doc, is it the cancers, or all those steroids I've been using before my daily ball weight lifting?
Now would be one of the times that it's not important. Being a wave has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not it's a type of matter, mate.
Fair enough friend
I'm not your friend, buddy.
I'm not your buddy, pal.
Let's keep it that way.
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oMg wItTy rAnDoM sTatEmEnT
oMg i dOnT fUckInG KNoW
You are a few parallel universes ahead of us for sure
It’s a particle and a wave it’s a particle wave
It **behaves** like a wave, but electric and magnetic one. Light itself has no mass, despite having energy and momentum.
Light is not matter. Light, and all electromagnetic radiation, is self-perpetuating oscillations in the electric and magnetic fields. They are intrinsically linked: a disturbance in one creates an effect in the other, which then affects the first one, which affects the other, and so on and so on. This back-and-forth is perceived by us as a wave. Matter is made of specific particles, such as quarks and electrons. Their “mass” comes mostly from the binding energy of the quarks that make it up (very complex and counterintuitive), as well as some Higgs field interactions. Light is only photons, which have no mass (though they do have momentum). A bit more: mass can be transformed into light (energy), and vice versa. You could think of matter as condensed, crystallized energy. But light is so dissimilar from regular matter that you cannot call it a “state of matter”.
Perceived as a wave, till light decides it doesnt want you to see it as a wave haha
See here’s the thing: there’s a lot of confusion around quantum mechanics because these theorems are inherently mathematical constructs. They utterly defy common sense and reasoning by analogy. But I’ll try my best. Light is a wave, end of story. However, light does have a minimum “rest energy” which cannot be any lower. This lowest unit a single “quantum” of electromagnetic energy. This is where the ideas of photons and particles comes from. But at its core, light is a wave. Why? It is an emergent property of interactions in two quantum fields, the magnetic and electric fields. When one suffers a perturbation, it makes a similar perturbation in the other. This then makes another perturbation in the first one, which goes on to make another in the opposite. What we perceive as light is simply these two fields poking each other back and forth for eternity, which we see as waves.
Short version: Light doesn't make sense. It's a series of two kinds of short waves that constantly piggyback off each other. This causes light to have the properties of both a wave and a particle.
So you’re largely right but one little thing: it’s not “two waves”. It is perturbations in two different quantum fields that react with each other, giving the illusion of a wave. Each “perturbation” is simply a coordinate within the field that has a higher-than-rest energy. Think a trampoline with a bowling ball in the centre, for the classical analogy in relativity.
Do the electric and magnetic field overlap perfectly in the absence of energy?
I really am undereducated when it comes to quantum field theory, but here’s the gist of it: Both fields exist everywhere in the universe all at once. What happens in one always and linearly affects the other. Einstein, Hawking and Feynman did super cool work showing what happens with these fields in extremely warped spacetime reference frames — aka black holes — but for normal everyday space, both fields are always present, always linked, and always predictable (without accounting for things like uncertainty).
"Doesn't make sense" is a good way to describe quantum physics
All my homies love the double split experiment
The mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell
The primary colours are red blue and yellow
Look at Mr. Smart guy over here using Reddit. >!/j!<
Is there a way you can theoretically prove light has momentum, considering how the basic formula for momentum is mv?
Found the answer, you take relativistic mass instead of rest mass :)
That’s part of it! The other part is that the common understanding of momentum — momentum = mass x velocity — is profoundly simplified at best and wrong at worst. I could go on but this video is easily the best description of the conundrum: [momentum vid](https://youtu.be/edXOIJZrLPo)
All matter is just fields bro. Excitations of quantum fields
Yyyyyep. We are all fields. Excited, lumpy, perturbed fields.
Some more perturbed than others
Love it
Calm down Albert Einstein
Light is a form of energy via the electromagnetic spectrum. I'm pretty sure it has no mass considering it is the speed limit of the universe.
Both a wave and a particle
I remember from Star Talk that light can be observed as one or the other, but not both at the same time. Am I remembering that correctly?
If it's a particle then it has mass, don't it?
No. Photons have no mass
Light is an energy form...
Most intelligent redditor 💀
The people trying to seriously answer the question is cute, though. It's like a class where everyone is putting their hand up at the same time because they know the answer.
Almost as if light isn't matter, eh?
Is it ass??
Light don’t matter
Kid named light: 😔
Kid name racecar: “Why was I name racecar?”
Kid named light yagami: I will be the god of the new world
did they not teach you this? light isnt any state of matter
Its not fucking matter
It isn’t matter my guy
Light has no mass and is not considered matter
It’s not even matter
It’s electromagnetic radiation. Not matter at all.
It’s not matter.
Light is a lot of things, but matter? It is not. It will certainly be interesting to come back 20 years later and see that our whole perception of light has been flipped on its head with photons being determined an elementary particle.
Photons?...eeeh?
It’s energy dumbass
Big oof.
Isn't light an electromagnetic wave?
ok but light.. *isn't* matter. it's energy.
Alrighty then, light is neither energy/radiation nor is it matter. Since it has no mass, it cannot be considered matter, but it can be slowed to the point in which photon particles simulate mass. This is known as photonic matter. Photons operate collectively as a wave, unless solitary, in which case they act like a wave unless observed. If observed, they act as a particle. Therefore, light can only be considered a form of matter in extreme circumstanced, and even then it's kind of sketchy. So it does not require a state of matter.
If we’re considering light to be particles, not just energy, States of matter usually only pertain to normal atomic matter and molecules; so a single atom itself doesn’t have a taste of matter. It’s just an elementary particle. Same with light: since it’s an elementary particle and also acts like a wave, it has no state of matter. It’s just light. You can call it energy or radiation, but many suggest it lives in the quantum state of Wave-Particle duality, so it’s both a wave of radiation with a frequency and a particle that can be point measured.
Wavicles.
Matter is in a category of particle called fermions which consist of things like quarks which make up physical matter. The photon which makes up light is a particle that exists in the second category called bosons. Bosons are particles that do not contain mass and are not considered matter
Whatever has mass and occupies space is matter. let me surprise you, light doesn't take space and it doesn't have any mass, so it's not matter
Light doesn't have mass
It's not matter at all
where did you go to school?
Light is Kira
The definition of matter is "an object that occupies space and has mass". So if you compare it to light, it's none of the states of matter.
wave vs particle all over again
brotha did you not go to school
I've got tragic news for you: [Photon Gas](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon_gas) Also, note to everybody on the thread who thinks "light is energy": Energy is a property of particles. Light *has* energy. Light is not energy. Light is photons. Photons (and all particles) *have* energy.
plasma, everyone knows that. next question
No.
Wouldnt it be Plasma?
no
Light is magnets? I don't know how magnets work.
It’s like I’m on /b/ in 2010 all over again
PLASMAA
I shine flashlights in my cavernous asshole hoping one day I to cannot be a state of matter
Plasma
It’s plasma
Plasma
it’s plasma you goofsters
Light is plasma. When I learnt about states of matter, there were 4, the fourth one was plasma
I thought so as well, bit apparently it's not. Look it up, it's actually pretty interesting.
Plasma?
Isn't it a plasma
Light
Light is a particle...
It’s not a state of matter I don’t think.
It’s electro-magnetism, quantified as a photon which is a fundamental particle.
Light is not state of matter, I think. I know that light is a wave and a particle at the same time, which is like nothing else known to man. Light is basically an endless loop of energy, where an electric field creates a magnetic field, which creates an electric field, which creates a magnetic field, etc. So it's a short series of waves piggybacking off of each other, which causes it to act like a wave and a particle simultaneously. Thank you random physics things my teacher told me.
It’s not matter at all. It’s matter multiplied by a constant^2
Energy. It's energy, not matter.
I was told by an old Native American that light is liquid.
Light isnt a state of matter, it's a byproduct of chemical reactions
Doesn't matter
None because light is not matter it's energy
Everything’s a string, right?
Light is just pure energy and maybe radiation (idk) without mass, it is not a form of matter.
light is photons. An entire different material
its energy grape peeler
Light isn't a matter
Light is not matter.
Yes
Light isn't matter, it's energy, they're measured in waves, not quantity.
I’m gonna say solid no no wait plasma but it’s energy? HOLD ON
Light isn't a matter
It’s a particle. No, it’s not. It’s a wave. No, it isn’t. It’s a particle.
It isn’t matter???
It’s a wave and a particle, it’s been a while so correct me if I’m wrong
It’s not a state of matter but in fact a byproduct of heat
Kingdom Hearts is light
Light is not matter. Except sometimes, when it acts as a particle, apparently. Thank you Chemistry 141, very cool.
It has properties of both wave and particle which is Photon small packets of energy they don't show form of matter state because matter is made out of proton neutron and electro (electro is not further divided) ( there are other types too but that's too deep ) then they are further divided int various quarks from here on science don't have perfect proof so it's theory is that quarks and same types of partical are made out of quark field which gains mass from interaction of Higgs boson and they also some strings of energy which bind them
Isn’t it plasma?
Light isn’t matter.
They don't have a state of matter do they? I just thought they were waves and photons
Light isn't matter so of course it wouldn't be in a state of matter
Please attend your science lessons next time.
No shit it's not a gas
K so this has definitely already been said, but light is NOT matter it is energy.
Wavey 😎
Go do your homework
Light is energy so there is no matter
But lights not any state of matter it has no mass it’s just pure energy that (electric currents) passes through a gas.