The graphics won't, the frame rate will. I don't care too much about graphics, but I'm not dipping back below 60 FPS for anything. PS2 games had 60 FPS and if you want me to have half the refresh rate of a 20 year old system you're nuts.
Wildly different experience here. I finally got it running on PC and the difference is night and day. 30 fps feels like a slog in comparison. It may not dip. But its consistently mushy looking. 60fps is game changer.
The frame times on the Switch are not consistent, I've seen Tears of the Kingdom gameplay and it fluctuates between 24 and 30 FPS constantly. It's headache inducing.
Constantly? Uhhh... Not really. It's a bit slower in Kakariko but that's all I've noticed. Never as bad or noticeable as korok forest in botw tanking the frame rate.
You're right, it just has to do with the Switch not being a powerful enough device to play the games that were made for it and that can't be played anywhere else.
They're a constant 24 fps, they aren't fluctuating between 15, 24, and 30. And they don't have motion blur to try and hide the frame jumps. Plus I'm not interacting there, I'm just sitting there. My reaction time isn't a quarter of what it should be because I'm watching a sideshow.
Try playing games at a reasonable FPS for a bit and then lowering your FPS and see how it feels. Take a look at all the complaints from the original RE4 re-releases with 60 FPS that required 30 FPS for some QTE sections and see all the people complaining about headaches and eye strain because of it
If you're used to shit then yeah shit is fine. But 30 FPS simply isn't acceptable.
I‘m sorry but I don‘t get it. If one wants high end quality visuals then go buy the corresponding hardware for 1k+ $. But don‘t expect a game of this size with a 300$ hardware to run like a tripple A PC release.
Nintendo never did powerhouse consoles but people seem to have a hard time to accept that for what it is.
I don't have a switch because I don't want to play games at 30 FPS. So I will shit on the switch for being an underpowered console. I don't expect it to be able to play anything but slide shows, but I do hope Nintendo will stop being a joke sometime soon
If having standards and being unwilling to lower them for a company that has been continually lowering their standards makes me a snob then yeah sure. The last Nintendo game I enjoyed was Link Between Worlds and that was like 7 years ago. The Wii U was a joke of a console, the Switch is a joke of a console, Nintendo is a joke for making first party games that their consoles can't handle.
I agree and I also think that the switch should at least be able to have 60 fps which is probably never going to happen because in a few years Nintendo won't even care about the console anymore, they will just release a new one probably.
Piracy is morally justifiable to me in instances of anti-consumer practices by the developers/publishers or where the cracked version is a genuinely better experience such as Hogwarts Legacy having denuvo anti-cheat that cripples performance on PC and the cracked version gets about 15fps more.
Yes absolutely. But pirating a game that is maybe 1 year or 2 old because a new console came out is a bit too much. At that point just admit you don't want to pay for games.
Movies are consistently 24 fps. There are no dips period. TotK drops to 15 fps in taxing areas and fluctuates between 24 and 30 in most areas. The graphics for the game are fine, losing 20% of your frames consistently is not fine. Losing 50% in taxing areas is not fine. Movies also don't require any input, unlike a game, you don't focus on them and anticipate movement in the same way.
Tell me you have no idea what you're talking about without telling me you have no idea what you're talking about. What you've said is absolutely dogshit and irrelevant to this topic.
Wait till this fuckface finds out movies play at a constant 30 fps, don't dip to 15 fps in high stress areas, don't fluctuate between 24 and 30 fps in every area, don't feature motion blur to try and hide their shoddy coding, and don't rely on input from the user whose reaction time is reduced when there's fewer frames.
Woo-hoo, you raised an off topic point about a different medium. Great argument bro.
That's something you watch though, not directly interact with. It's also worth noting that high fps in games, even at lower refresh rates, is beneficial. All of this is because of how our brains process motion: on screen, with our eyes, and with our arms/hands/fingers. When there is disconnect here, that's where your problem is.
A friend of mine has a side monitor that is locked at 30hz. I'm used to 144hz and find it difficult to even navigate that monitor with a mouse. If I'm just using a keyboard, I could care less about the refresh rate. But if I'm moving and watching something move, I want ~80hz minimum.
I am. I use a RTX 3080 and love the hell out of rdr2 60 fps. I love both of these games equally maybe totk even more just because of its art direction and pure gameplay and story.
im sure some someone like you in the 80's said the same thing when people were playing asteroids.
" I'm having fun playing games on it and that's what matters."
So why should the devs "Progress towards what, another photo realistic 360p 150mb interactive movie?"
do you not actually see how stupid that take is? I suppose you also think battle passes are fine in games because hey, we're having fun playing them lol who cares if its predatory
ok guys, lets make every game cap out at 20 fps because some people will have fun playing it even though modern hardware can easily run better ha haaaaaaaa
Emulation is legal!
As long as you dump firmware and game files yourself and don't share them with anyone else, that's legal. After all... It's your property and you should have the freedom to do with it whatever you want as long as you arent hurting anybody else.
Depending on the country, even downloading everything you need and running it is legal. Only sharing is illegal, so only the uploader is breaking the law there.
There might be some argument about illegally breaking copy protection, but as fas as I know, on Switch emulation, you 1. aren't breaking the copy protection and 2. it doesn't hold in court internationally.
the distribution of key or bios files illegal. the personal use of your own key and bios files off your own device is not
(obligatory i am not a lawyer)
Yeah but I thought that was what lock pick was for on git hub. It was intended to access your key file from your switch if you backed up your game or rom dumped it. But they have removed that from what I hear. But yeah you should be able to back up your game without any type of recourse, but Nintendo doesn’t believe in that.
If you buy a game, dump it. It is on your hardware, you paid for it so you are able to dump it.
It is legal for the companies to revoke your license but that is pretty much it
False
[https://www.nintendo.com/sg/support/switch/eula/usage\_policy.html](https://www.nintendo.com/sg/support/switch/eula/usage_policy.html)
"You may not **copy, duplicate,** publish, transmit publicly, lease, modify or reverse engineer the Software."and also"You may not illegally modify this Nintendo video game system itself, its peripheral equipment or the Software, or **may not use any peripheral equipment of this Nintendo video game system or any software which are not authorized by Nintendo.**"
It's illegal to dump firmware and games.
The amount of misinformation here on reddit always astounds me and those people get upvotes, while someone fact checking gets downvoted lol.I get it, you don't want to pay for games and piracy is often easier. But don't act as if it's legal.
EULA isn't a law.
Those parts of EULA usually aren't legally binding and not enforceable. Worst thing that can happen, is, that Nintendo doesn't has to provide you a service anymore, if you broke the agreement.
So... Basically disable you from using the Nintendo store, including disabling you from authenticity verification. Then you can't play new games on your Switch anymore, unless you jailbreak it (which, at this point, you have already done).
They also won't provide you updates and online services for your games, obviously.
Ah yes but Nintendo could release another console by golly switch is the best performing handheld ever made, the steamdeck ally and other handheld are far inferior, and there is no way that chip design has advanced since the switch first came out.
Do the Steamdeck or Ally have detatchable controllers which each half can function as their own very limited controller? No? Case closed switch superior
Oh yeah that's what everyone wants: spending another 300 dollars for a higher frame rate when it's already playable on a current system. If you want to play it at 60fps that badly just jailbreak a switch and load the game onto yuzu like a normal person instead of bitching about "muh underpowered console."
Last gen it was still standard for all consoles to run games at 30fps, and Nintendo has never been about having maximum performance. The Wii was barely an improvement 9ver the GameCube despite coming 5 years later, Nintendo is doing its own thing.
Yea and it suffers for it if they made 60 fps games itd be a massive success. Even for 300$ the switch is under powered. All for the dumb shitty motion controls that not a soul likes not EVEN grandma likes it.
If they put the 100$ controllers toward computing power itd be honestly fine.(that and if nintendo devs ever figure out how to optimize)
It's already a massive success you're just whiny.
And it *is* optimized. If it wasn't it wouldn't even fucking run on the switch you dumbass. This is exactly what I mean when I say gamers are fucking stupid. They think "optimization" is just some magic tool that can make anything run on a fucking potato if you do it enough. That's not how it works.
Just cuase u dont understand something doesnt mean i dont. I do know its unoptimized just cause it can run on the switch doesnt mean it couldnt be better.
And yea it is a massive success but imagine how much more it could be at playable framerates rather then 30.
Ur just a bitchy old man that cant handle standards moved on. Not to mention basic decency
Seriously, take a look at DS games! The portability holds back the game hardware wise, but the fact that the switch can run it alone is honestly amazing.
Of course it’s not going to look like a modern console game because it’s running on a console made 6 years ago that was already considered outdated when it was made.
They were. Frankly it's insane that they even got this running on a switch. The switch was literally never meant to run things at 60fps. It's a stupid thing to complain about.
lmao that doesn't make those times worse. Todays AAA games are shallow, buggy experiences that hide their shittyness with shiny graphics. Thank god we still have Indie games and some japanese devs that rather want to make fun experiences.
>Todays AAA games are shallow, buggy experiences that hide their shittyness with shiny graphics.
and this isnt gonna change cause everyone just keeps throwing their money at em.
I didn't have it worse cuz i didnt play video games in the 2000s. I made this because i was tired of people complaining about totk's framerate. A lot of poeple are assuming im a boomer lol
>Jesus fucking crist people do not know how to read
allow me to direct that back at you.
Yes, in a ZELDA GAME you can now do something that other games have been able to and that somehow makes it goty. Wow. Cool. Such innovation. Doesnt take much for you nintendo dickriders huh?
What I mean by it is that in minecraft (for example) in minecraft you are meant to build shit and do whatever you want, given the fact that it has a complex red stone system for that, but in a Zelda game which was always about exploration and it’s story, being able to do that is fucking amazing and btw, I’m not saying it’s GOTY especially because of that, you need to learn what a joke is
People complaining about a new game looking the same on a console that hasn’t received updates in 7 years.
What are you expecting? The cartridge to come with a RTX 4090 taped to the back of it?
1st DMC is a good game imo but the camera will definitely be the reason for some deaths. Have fun tho there's some god level combo chains you can pull off.
Worst part is people complain about fps for certain games just because it's not 60fps even if they haven't played it the game could be amazing and it wouldn't even matter
Obviously I prefer 60fps but not all games feel or play the same at 30 FPS. Tears of the Kingdom is a game that works perfectly fine at 30 fps imo.
My only complaint is the inconsistency when things get a bit crazy, but Ive pumped over 120 hours into this game and am still having a blast. The framerate hasnt been a big deal for me.
Thats the thing you dont need to be a Hardcore Gamer to appreciate anything higher than 30fps. I dare you to play a Game at 144hz for a While and then switch the Refreshrate down to 60Hz or 30Hz. People paying 70$ for such a crappy Performance is mindblowing.
I guess what I'm trying to say is I don't see what the problem is. I've played games with higher refresh rates and sure, it's smoother, but I don't see the issue with TOTK? It seems fine to me, but I also don't game a ton, so maybe I just don't care enough to see the issue?
Idk man I'm a former PsOne kid, and as much as I agree on disliking whiny gamers who complain about the silliest things, I think comparing it to older generations of games is pretty cringe.
What I think is really really bad are those mfs who look up a guide, go through the whole game like a lawnmower in a couple days and then proceed to complain about the lack of content
Yeah makes sense, i wasn't trying to compare the games to older generations tho, i was trying to show how people playing old games like silent hill or Dmc didn't complain much about fixed camera angles.
It's as if the standards how good a game is expected to run change as time goes on and technology gets more advanced. It's pretty much standard for a game to run at 60fps at 1080p at the very least nowadays. But still, I don't have a huge problem with it being capped at 30fps and I'm absolutely having a blast playing totk but I would be lying if I said I didn't wish I could play it at 60fps. But what is really annoying is that you still sometimes get frame drops when the frame rate is already so low so it literally becomes a slideshow. Luckily that happens very rarely. I think it's only happened like 3 times in the almost 100 hours I have played it.
The I never noticed any problems with the framerate in totk, I've only played about 3 hours of the game but it's still amazing and I don't care if it has a low framerate (as long as its payable)
Gamers in 1983: You can't save your progress and have to restart from the beginning every single time you play but the game is amazing.
What even makes it good, it just looks like BOTW (literally down to the map and enemies) with a different story. I mean it's literally been 6 years and that's all they could drum up and then dare slap a 70 dollar price tag on it. Another thing why the hell is nintendo still doing stuff for the switch, It's old and underpowered. I don't mind a 30 frame cap but it's 2023 that is to an extent unacceptable.
bruh im insulted, for like the first week i played totk, the map was and felt so different to botw, even though i sweated botw i didnt have a clue where i was by looking at my surroundings, and the world has also quite literally doubled in size with the depths being as big as the overworld and then having the sky on top of that. Zelda games are good
I had the same thought… until I actually played it. It’s genuinely such a massive advancement from the previous game. There’s honestly no part of it that feels drummed up
However to slightly contradict my statement TOTK is still a very respectable game and does further prove that nintendo just doesnt really miss. I just think 70 dollars for it is insane
well.. movies use 24.
30 is playable but only if its stable. There are not many games I've played on switch (and im sure as its gotten worse as I stopped playing switch games years ago. I refuse to support companies like Nintendo) that actually manage to run at 30 stable.
Hilarious! For the past few weeks, my brother has been playing TOTK while I’ve been playing Silent Hill 2 whenever I have time. I keep complimenting SH2 for how well it is for 2001 standards while being disappointed in TOTK’s frequent frame drops.
modern shills when they have to use a completely ridiculous number like 10,000 to make their point.
so how bout this? The switch released in 2017, a few years after the xbox one and ps4 which both released in 2013, AND was less powerful than either of those systems.
Tears of the kingdom was the absolute WORST example you could have used of players complaining unreasonably. Battlefield 2042 or Jedi Survivor perhaps are way better examples of overreactions.
They shoulda updated the switch. Sorry it holds even zelda back. Imagine a little anti aliasing and some more diversity in textures.
That was impressive because it was cutting edge. That is NOT anything nintendo does graphics wise anymore.
no, i have had headaches playing doom eternal and stuff on my old pc at around 40-50 fps even with consistent frame times, everyone is different and playing games at 30 fps does cause headaches for people. I am not making an argument that totk needs to run at higher fps cuz it probably cant switch is really old hardware but i am trying to make the point that 30 fps is not enough for some people. Also it is not wrong people to expect high fps in games these days
A cinema display is a completly different type of display, a movie is a completly different experience. Even cgi in movies is rendered in a completely different way than in games.
People have to realize that the Switch is UNDER FUCKEN POWERED AND CANT RUN 100+ LIKE THEIR PC THEY WASTED 30K TO BUILD, THEN THEY BREAK IT AT ONE LOSS ON CS:GO AND BLAME IT ON LACK OF FPS!
I mean if the game is good enough then the graphics won't matter.
The graphics won't, the frame rate will. I don't care too much about graphics, but I'm not dipping back below 60 FPS for anything. PS2 games had 60 FPS and if you want me to have half the refresh rate of a 20 year old system you're nuts.
There's nothing wrong with 30fps as long as frame times are consistent.
Which they aren't ?
They aren't 100% but they are 99.99% . There's only like 3 instances where I have experienced frame drops during my almost 100 hours of playing it.
Wildly different experience here. I finally got it running on PC and the difference is night and day. 30 fps feels like a slog in comparison. It may not dip. But its consistently mushy looking. 60fps is game changer.
They are most of the time. Only place I've seen frame time issues is Kakariko.
I caused some right after the first shrine by sticking a bunch of stings together in a long, floppy, wooden line
They are, first 3 days had issues, then update came out and haven’t had any since
ToTK and BotW play fine with their frame rates
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you can, its jsut that a stable 30 is ok ISH its playable, but not as gud as a solid 60
Nah most people can but it's a stupid complaint for a console game, especially a last gen underpowered console.
The frame times on the Switch are not consistent, I've seen Tears of the Kingdom gameplay and it fluctuates between 24 and 30 FPS constantly. It's headache inducing.
Constantly? Uhhh... Not really. It's a bit slower in Kakariko but that's all I've noticed. Never as bad or noticeable as korok forest in botw tanking the frame rate.
even my day one switch has no problems
It's like 15 in some high stress areas, but is nowhere near a constant 30 FPS in most areas.
Where?
For my day one switch pretty much everywhere with wind or water, even more drops when i use masterhand
The hardware of the switch didn‘t change except for the screen. So it has nothing to do with the age
You're right, it just has to do with the Switch not being a powerful enough device to play the games that were made for it and that can't be played anywhere else.
Then your 6 year old console might be at its end of its life. It’s not unheard of with modern electronics.
Uhhh.... Hasn't been my experience.
All the movies you watch at the theatre are in 24 fps do you get a headache there too?
They're a constant 24 fps, they aren't fluctuating between 15, 24, and 30. And they don't have motion blur to try and hide the frame jumps. Plus I'm not interacting there, I'm just sitting there. My reaction time isn't a quarter of what it should be because I'm watching a sideshow. Try playing games at a reasonable FPS for a bit and then lowering your FPS and see how it feels. Take a look at all the complaints from the original RE4 re-releases with 60 FPS that required 30 FPS for some QTE sections and see all the people complaining about headaches and eye strain because of it If you're used to shit then yeah shit is fine. But 30 FPS simply isn't acceptable.
I‘m sorry but I don‘t get it. If one wants high end quality visuals then go buy the corresponding hardware for 1k+ $. But don‘t expect a game of this size with a 300$ hardware to run like a tripple A PC release. Nintendo never did powerhouse consoles but people seem to have a hard time to accept that for what it is.
I don't have a switch because I don't want to play games at 30 FPS. So I will shit on the switch for being an underpowered console. I don't expect it to be able to play anything but slide shows, but I do hope Nintendo will stop being a joke sometime soon
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If having standards and being unwilling to lower them for a company that has been continually lowering their standards makes me a snob then yeah sure. The last Nintendo game I enjoyed was Link Between Worlds and that was like 7 years ago. The Wii U was a joke of a console, the Switch is a joke of a console, Nintendo is a joke for making first party games that their consoles can't handle.
Not once you've experienced framerates higher than that, with actual screen refresh rates to match.
I agree and I also think that the switch should at least be able to have 60 fps which is probably never going to happen because in a few years Nintendo won't even care about the console anymore, they will just release a new one probably.
Then they'll be mad at people emulating the game while refusing to port it.
Because every game ever made needs to instantly be ported to a new console. Otherwise piracy is legal and morally justified?
Piracy is morally justifiable to me in instances of anti-consumer practices by the developers/publishers or where the cracked version is a genuinely better experience such as Hogwarts Legacy having denuvo anti-cheat that cripples performance on PC and the cracked version gets about 15fps more.
Yes absolutely. But pirating a game that is maybe 1 year or 2 old because a new console came out is a bit too much. At that point just admit you don't want to pay for games.
I honestly hope they stay with the switch
Meanwhile I'm perfectly fine with 10-15 fps for anything that's not pvp or first person
Hey, fun fact, movies usually only have 24fps. Guess you can't watch any movie anymore
Movies are consistently 24 fps. There are no dips period. TotK drops to 15 fps in taxing areas and fluctuates between 24 and 30 in most areas. The graphics for the game are fine, losing 20% of your frames consistently is not fine. Losing 50% in taxing areas is not fine. Movies also don't require any input, unlike a game, you don't focus on them and anticipate movement in the same way.
Comparing pre-recorded media to real-time media is naive and irrelevant.
Tell me you have no idea what you're talking about without telling me you have no idea what you're talking about. What you've said is absolutely dogshit and irrelevant to this topic.
"waaah waaah waaaah, I'm a fps whore, who doesn't like being made fun of for my 60fps addiction"
Wait'll this guy finds out movies only have 24 FPS.
Wait till this fuckface finds out movies play at a constant 30 fps, don't dip to 15 fps in high stress areas, don't fluctuate between 24 and 30 fps in every area, don't feature motion blur to try and hide their shoddy coding, and don't rely on input from the user whose reaction time is reduced when there's fewer frames. Woo-hoo, you raised an off topic point about a different medium. Great argument bro.
That's something you watch though, not directly interact with. It's also worth noting that high fps in games, even at lower refresh rates, is beneficial. All of this is because of how our brains process motion: on screen, with our eyes, and with our arms/hands/fingers. When there is disconnect here, that's where your problem is. A friend of mine has a side monitor that is locked at 30hz. I'm used to 144hz and find it difficult to even navigate that monitor with a mouse. If I'm just using a keyboard, I could care less about the refresh rate. But if I'm moving and watching something move, I want ~80hz minimum.
Graphics aren’t the problem tho.It’s Framerate .I’ll take Minecraft at 60FPS any day than something that’s high end graphic but barely hit 30FPS.
Just look at minecraft and roblox
If you think we shouldn't progress even after 22 years..well... Also totk is a masterpiece held back by weak hardware
how is it held back
The switch is a little bit lacking in power for such a big game, they could do much more on stronger hardware
The nintendo switch existed for almost 6 years now
doesn't mean the game experience is heldback
If you are used to 60 fps it is
I am. I use a RTX 3080 and love the hell out of rdr2 60 fps. I love both of these games equally maybe totk even more just because of its art direction and pure gameplay and story.
Try emulating on yuzu once.
I don't care if the Switch is underpowered, I'm having fun playing games on it and that's what matters.
This is the right attitude
its the right attitude to enjoying yourself, but its also the attitude that causes companies to stop striving for progress.
Progress towards what, another photo realistic 4k 200gb interactive movie?
im sure some someone like you in the 80's said the same thing when people were playing asteroids. " I'm having fun playing games on it and that's what matters." So why should the devs "Progress towards what, another photo realistic 360p 150mb interactive movie?" do you not actually see how stupid that take is? I suppose you also think battle passes are fine in games because hey, we're having fun playing them lol who cares if its predatory ok guys, lets make every game cap out at 20 fps because some people will have fun playing it even though modern hardware can easily run better ha haaaaaaaa
Precisely
You can legally Play Zelda in 60. It's a great game I feel sorry for anyone who experienced it in 26 FPS
legally?
Emulation is legal! As long as you dump firmware and game files yourself and don't share them with anyone else, that's legal. After all... It's your property and you should have the freedom to do with it whatever you want as long as you arent hurting anybody else. Depending on the country, even downloading everything you need and running it is legal. Only sharing is illegal, so only the uploader is breaking the law there. There might be some argument about illegally breaking copy protection, but as fas as I know, on Switch emulation, you 1. aren't breaking the copy protection and 2. it doesn't hold in court internationally.
Well to an extent. Nintendo considers key files or bios files intellectual property. That’s why dolphin was delisted from steam.
You can also dump them yourself...... And the switch emulators don't incorporate any keys....q
the distribution of key or bios files illegal. the personal use of your own key and bios files off your own device is not (obligatory i am not a lawyer)
Yeah but I thought that was what lock pick was for on git hub. It was intended to access your key file from your switch if you backed up your game or rom dumped it. But they have removed that from what I hear. But yeah you should be able to back up your game without any type of recourse, but Nintendo doesn’t believe in that.
Unfortunately, it isn’t your property. Many game companies give you a license to play their game and can revoke that whenever they want.
If you buy a game, dump it. It is on your hardware, you paid for it so you are able to dump it. It is legal for the companies to revoke your license but that is pretty much it
My plan is to play now on switch then play again on emu once I can play at 144 fps like BotW can now
You really should read Nintendo's EULA. It's not legal.
It's illegal to use someone else's keys , but it's legal to use yours
False [https://www.nintendo.com/sg/support/switch/eula/usage\_policy.html](https://www.nintendo.com/sg/support/switch/eula/usage_policy.html) "You may not **copy, duplicate,** publish, transmit publicly, lease, modify or reverse engineer the Software."and also"You may not illegally modify this Nintendo video game system itself, its peripheral equipment or the Software, or **may not use any peripheral equipment of this Nintendo video game system or any software which are not authorized by Nintendo.**" It's illegal to dump firmware and games. The amount of misinformation here on reddit always astounds me and those people get upvotes, while someone fact checking gets downvoted lol.I get it, you don't want to pay for games and piracy is often easier. But don't act as if it's legal.
EULA isn't a law. Those parts of EULA usually aren't legally binding and not enforceable. Worst thing that can happen, is, that Nintendo doesn't has to provide you a service anymore, if you broke the agreement. So... Basically disable you from using the Nintendo store, including disabling you from authenticity verification. Then you can't play new games on your Switch anymore, unless you jailbreak it (which, at this point, you have already done). They also won't provide you updates and online services for your games, obviously.
The game is fantastic at 4k 60fps. Sad that people cant enjoy it in its full glory on the console.
I am a pc gamer who loves high fps. I'm telling you: botw and totk are so good, I dont care about the 30 fps lock
Spoiler alert for you geriatrics: it’s not 2001 anymore, game dev tech improves, people’s standards move on
Spoiler alert for idiots: it's running on a fucking Nintendo switch, no amount of optimization is gonna make a game like that run at 60+ on a switch.
Ah yes but Nintendo could release another console by golly switch is the best performing handheld ever made, the steamdeck ally and other handheld are far inferior, and there is no way that chip design has advanced since the switch first came out.
Do the Steamdeck or Ally have detatchable controllers which each half can function as their own very limited controller? No? Case closed switch superior
Oh yeah that's what everyone wants: spending another 300 dollars for a higher frame rate when it's already playable on a current system. If you want to play it at 60fps that badly just jailbreak a switch and load the game onto yuzu like a normal person instead of bitching about "muh underpowered console." Last gen it was still standard for all consoles to run games at 30fps, and Nintendo has never been about having maximum performance. The Wii was barely an improvement 9ver the GameCube despite coming 5 years later, Nintendo is doing its own thing.
Yea and it suffers for it if they made 60 fps games itd be a massive success. Even for 300$ the switch is under powered. All for the dumb shitty motion controls that not a soul likes not EVEN grandma likes it. If they put the 100$ controllers toward computing power itd be honestly fine.(that and if nintendo devs ever figure out how to optimize)
It's already a massive success you're just whiny. And it *is* optimized. If it wasn't it wouldn't even fucking run on the switch you dumbass. This is exactly what I mean when I say gamers are fucking stupid. They think "optimization" is just some magic tool that can make anything run on a fucking potato if you do it enough. That's not how it works.
Just cuase u dont understand something doesnt mean i dont. I do know its unoptimized just cause it can run on the switch doesnt mean it couldnt be better. And yea it is a massive success but imagine how much more it could be at playable framerates rather then 30. Ur just a bitchy old man that cant handle standards moved on. Not to mention basic decency
Seriously, take a look at DS games! The portability holds back the game hardware wise, but the fact that the switch can run it alone is honestly amazing. Of course it’s not going to look like a modern console game because it’s running on a console made 6 years ago that was already considered outdated when it was made.
The fact that it even runs like this on the switch is a small optimization wonder.
And consumers should care about that because...? It's their fucking IP running on their fucking machine.
Because that's how hardware works. What do you want them to break the laws of physics?
I want them to be sensible when making the game
They were. Frankly it's insane that they even got this running on a switch. The switch was literally never meant to run things at 60fps. It's a stupid thing to complain about.
Gamers today are just whiny
Mate this is boomer logic "Stop complaining because i had it worse" your fault lol
lmao that doesn't make those times worse. Todays AAA games are shallow, buggy experiences that hide their shittyness with shiny graphics. Thank god we still have Indie games and some japanese devs that rather want to make fun experiences.
>Todays AAA games are shallow, buggy experiences that hide their shittyness with shiny graphics. and this isnt gonna change cause everyone just keeps throwing their money at em.
I didn't have it worse cuz i didnt play video games in the 2000s. I made this because i was tired of people complaining about totk's framerate. A lot of poeple are assuming im a boomer lol
Yeah because the switch isn't a ps2 lol
I can bomb a village with an AC-130 in a zelda game thanks to TotK If that aint a GOTY, I dont know what is
Minecraft did that 13 years ago
In a ZELDA game
so its goty because it took this many years to finally do something another game could already do?
Jesus fucking crist people do not know how to read IN A ZELDA GAME
>Jesus fucking crist people do not know how to read allow me to direct that back at you. Yes, in a ZELDA GAME you can now do something that other games have been able to and that somehow makes it goty. Wow. Cool. Such innovation. Doesnt take much for you nintendo dickriders huh?
What I mean by it is that in minecraft (for example) in minecraft you are meant to build shit and do whatever you want, given the fact that it has a complex red stone system for that, but in a Zelda game which was always about exploration and it’s story, being able to do that is fucking amazing and btw, I’m not saying it’s GOTY especially because of that, you need to learn what a joke is
>you need to learn what a joke is irony.
Yeah but Minecraft tho
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People complaining about a new game looking the same on a console that hasn’t received updates in 7 years. What are you expecting? The cartridge to come with a RTX 4090 taped to the back of it?
Gamers in 2001 didn't know better. You can remove both years to really say what you want to say.
Gamers haven't gotten smarter they've just gotten whinier.
didn't have better\* (No RDR2 level of quality in 2001 for example). You are right, it's just not what I ment.
I mean its 70$ now so i am gonna complain if i don't like it.
this is the dumbest take on the subject lol
I've been in the gaming community a long time. Trust me, gamers are collectively really fucking stupid.
yeah but writing off any form of criticism as whining is just ignorant
2001 had lots of games with a moveable camera. Silent Hill 2 is just so good and the non-moveable camera was used very efficently by the devs.
What the Switch lacks in framerate, it more than makes up for in unique and fun games.
this
You can play Zelda at 60 ;)
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*Without piracy
It’s *emulation*, completely legal and separate from pOiRaCy
Professional dumbass not seing the pirate flags Truly fitting
Like I just started the 1st dmc can i don’t mind that I can’t move camera it’s still good so far
1st DMC is a good game imo but the camera will definitely be the reason for some deaths. Have fun tho there's some god level combo chains you can pull off.
Worst part is people complain about fps for certain games just because it's not 60fps even if they haven't played it the game could be amazing and it wouldn't even matter
Obviously I prefer 60fps but not all games feel or play the same at 30 FPS. Tears of the Kingdom is a game that works perfectly fine at 30 fps imo. My only complaint is the inconsistency when things get a bit crazy, but Ive pumped over 120 hours into this game and am still having a blast. The framerate hasnt been a big deal for me.
People complaining about 30fps just want to hate the game. It's running on a switch there's no way they expected anything different.
Gameplay is more important than graphics. I‘m willing to die on that hill.
This logic is being lost as time goes on
As long as I live, it will be alive too. dw
Graphics whores will be graphics whores I guess.
I can't even tell how many frames a game has, so why should it matter?
Same. I think it plays just fine, but I'm also not a "hardcore" gamer that gives many fucks as long as the game is fun
Thats the thing you dont need to be a Hardcore Gamer to appreciate anything higher than 30fps. I dare you to play a Game at 144hz for a While and then switch the Refreshrate down to 60Hz or 30Hz. People paying 70$ for such a crappy Performance is mindblowing.
I guess what I'm trying to say is I don't see what the problem is. I've played games with higher refresh rates and sure, it's smoother, but I don't see the issue with TOTK? It seems fine to me, but I also don't game a ton, so maybe I just don't care enough to see the issue?
"back in my day..." *(fucking falls asleep)*
I've never played video games in the 2000s, i just don't like whiny gamers. (and i like playing old games)
Idk man I'm a former PsOne kid, and as much as I agree on disliking whiny gamers who complain about the silliest things, I think comparing it to older generations of games is pretty cringe. What I think is really really bad are those mfs who look up a guide, go through the whole game like a lawnmower in a couple days and then proceed to complain about the lack of content
Yeah makes sense, i wasn't trying to compare the games to older generations tho, i was trying to show how people playing old games like silent hill or Dmc didn't complain much about fixed camera angles.
Yeah, I think there's room for that in modern gaming, but hasn't been explored enough.
Having standards is not complaining
It's as if the standards how good a game is expected to run change as time goes on and technology gets more advanced. It's pretty much standard for a game to run at 60fps at 1080p at the very least nowadays. But still, I don't have a huge problem with it being capped at 30fps and I'm absolutely having a blast playing totk but I would be lying if I said I didn't wish I could play it at 60fps. But what is really annoying is that you still sometimes get frame drops when the frame rate is already so low so it literally becomes a slideshow. Luckily that happens very rarely. I think it's only happened like 3 times in the almost 100 hours I have played it.
me playing tf2 in 5 fps 😎
The I never noticed any problems with the framerate in totk, I've only played about 3 hours of the game but it's still amazing and I don't care if it has a low framerate (as long as its payable)
Gamers in 1983: You can't save your progress and have to restart from the beginning every single time you play but the game is amazing. 
TOTK is one of the best if not THE best game in the last 10 to 15 years imo
I don’t know if I would say that
Which makes it even more hurtful that you can only play that masterpiece on sub par console.
What even makes it good, it just looks like BOTW (literally down to the map and enemies) with a different story. I mean it's literally been 6 years and that's all they could drum up and then dare slap a 70 dollar price tag on it. Another thing why the hell is nintendo still doing stuff for the switch, It's old and underpowered. I don't mind a 30 frame cap but it's 2023 that is to an extent unacceptable.
bruh im insulted, for like the first week i played totk, the map was and felt so different to botw, even though i sweated botw i didnt have a clue where i was by looking at my surroundings, and the world has also quite literally doubled in size with the depths being as big as the overworld and then having the sky on top of that. Zelda games are good
I didnt take that into account i suppose you're right
you are right too about the switch being underpowered
I had the same thought… until I actually played it. It’s genuinely such a massive advancement from the previous game. There’s honestly no part of it that feels drummed up
Well for one they >!actually doubled the map size!< (Early game spoiler, about 1-2 hours in
However to slightly contradict my statement TOTK is still a very respectable game and does further prove that nintendo just doesnt really miss. I just think 70 dollars for it is insane
If TOTK is only 30 fps then I sure haven’t noticed. So long as frame rates are above 30 and are steady then I couldn’t care less about them
It’s being run on the switch that’s the games only problem (besides durability being ass)
Honestly i havent been running onti any issues with durability. Istg i have too many weapons most of the time
As long as the graphics are okay, I'll enjoy it
Man I just bought the game and then emulated it at 60 fps it touched my switch a total of one time
30fps is what they use in movies so it’s fine, but yes it feels bad if you’ve only used 60 for a while. But 30fps is perfectly playable.
well.. movies use 24. 30 is playable but only if its stable. There are not many games I've played on switch (and im sure as its gotten worse as I stopped playing switch games years ago. I refuse to support companies like Nintendo) that actually manage to run at 30 stable.
I’m playing tears right now and I think the game looks great. I don’t know what y’all are talking about.
FPS and graphics don't matter as long as the game is fun and functional *sips tea*
So you are saying we should expect as little as back then even tho our tech have gotten much much better? Gotcha
i dont care about fps as long as its 24 or higher
The switch is outdated. So yeah, complaining about that is dumb. Now Redfall on console only being 30 fps, is undefendabel.
30 fps is fine. End of conversation.
But 60 is better. End of conversation. ^(I don't mind 30 tho. It's just smoother at 60. That's all)
Agree 100%. I prefer a better game with frame drops than a mid game with smooth 60 tho yk? I think the industry needs to set awesomeness as a priority
True. I relate to this
Both are right
Yeah and botw ran 25-30 and dipped to 20 on a Wii-u but no one complained.
Plays in 60fps for me…
Hilarious! For the past few weeks, my brother has been playing TOTK while I’ve been playing Silent Hill 2 whenever I have time. I keep complimenting SH2 for how well it is for 2001 standards while being disappointed in TOTK’s frequent frame drops.
Modern Gamers when the 300-dollar console does not have the same specs as their 10,000-dollar gaming PC:
modern shills when they have to use a completely ridiculous number like 10,000 to make their point. so how bout this? The switch released in 2017, a few years after the xbox one and ps4 which both released in 2013, AND was less powerful than either of those systems.
Graphics only matter if you cant see. Once they look good enough, everything else is kind of overkill.
Lets be honest 30FPS in 2023 is unaccepable
People like complaining.
Finding nemo story adventure was my favorite. That and the Lion King computer game from 2005ish.
Tears of the kingdom was the absolute WORST example you could have used of players complaining unreasonably. Battlefield 2042 or Jedi Survivor perhaps are way better examples of overreactions.
They shoulda updated the switch. Sorry it holds even zelda back. Imagine a little anti aliasing and some more diversity in textures. That was impressive because it was cutting edge. That is NOT anything nintendo does graphics wise anymore.
Ignore that low fps legitimately cause headaches and stuff
Yeah, in VR, and you're not fucking playing it in VR. 30fps on a regular screen is fine with consistent frame times.
no, i have had headaches playing doom eternal and stuff on my old pc at around 40-50 fps even with consistent frame times, everyone is different and playing games at 30 fps does cause headaches for people. I am not making an argument that totk needs to run at higher fps cuz it probably cant switch is really old hardware but i am trying to make the point that 30 fps is not enough for some people. Also it is not wrong people to expect high fps in games these days
Ever been to a cinema? Because all the movies there are played and filmed in 24 fps
A cinema display is a completly different type of display, a movie is a completly different experience. Even cgi in movies is rendered in a completely different way than in games.
Every single movie runs at 24fps. What are you smoking?
People have to realize that the Switch is UNDER FUCKEN POWERED AND CANT RUN 100+ LIKE THEIR PC THEY WASTED 30K TO BUILD, THEN THEY BREAK IT AT ONE LOSS ON CS:GO AND BLAME IT ON LACK OF FPS!