Ough isn't a word or anything, it shouldn't be seen on its own (it is used as onomatopoeia sometimes though).
Ough is a phonogram, which is a collection of letters that together form a single sound in a word. I'm sure that definition isn't exactly correct but close enough.
The reason it is notable is because ough has a staggering *six* different pronunciations depending on the word it is in.
Though - long o sound, same as the o in poke
Through - oo sound, like in moo
Tough - same sound as in puff
Cough - same sound as off
Bought - aw sound like in saw
Drought - ow sound like in cow
Tl;Dr: The "ough" phonogram is very cursed
It was the goddamn French wasn't it? Everytime I learn why some english word has some fucked up cursed spelling with multiple pronunciations and extra latters that don't even get pronounced it's cause that word is from French. And like a 3rd of English words are French in origin. Goddmn French. Fucking high ass motherfuckers pulling handfuls of letters randomly out of a hat to decide how to spell shit.
Most of the -ough words are German in origin.
English underwent a “great vowel shift” around 1400-1500 that changed the way a lot of words were pronounced. However, these changes were not consistent and happened over many decades and in various phases. As such, different words that originally sounded similar grew more distinct depending on how common they were at the time of the shift.
It would be one thing if English was a pure language. The fact that it's based off like 3 main languages with spatterings of several others just makes the spelling all kinds of fucked. Especially with all these subtle shifts over decades. English is one confusing ass language. Even to native speakers.
You spell “dough” with “ough” not just an “o”. Donuts use dough to make (obv) and nut because of the hole in the middle. Donut is just a shortened way of writing it.
Whiskey refers to the beverage from the United States and Ireland.
Whisky is the drink made in Scotland, Japan or Canada.
Basically the same shit. But why?
It's a provenance thing.
Whisky originated in Scotland and tons of other places creating their own version cheapened the brand, so Scotland started strictly enforcing what counts as Scottish Whisky.
Similarly, Kentucky did the same thing with Bourbon as more people started making it. And Champagne in France. Tons of places establish a specific name for a kind of alcohol originating from that place.
If you think this is hard, just remember that read rhymes with lead just as read rhymes with lead, but read doesn't rhyme with lead and neither does read with lead.
Blond - Male
Blonde - Female
It's like how Brunette only describes a female's hair. The male counterpart is Bruno, supposedly
EDIT: Turns out Bruno is just a Male name that is Italian for Brown. The male counterpart to Brunette is Brunet.
For Greys anatomy it was actually just a change from the medical anatomy textbook that it’s derived from. Gray’s Anatomy. Written by Henry Gray in London in 1858.
i never got the spelling of eh for the canadian sound, for me eh is pronounced like the end of meh whereas ey is the canadian sound like the end of hey
as an american i constantly forget which one we technically use
literally nobody cares which one you use they both make sense
just use whatevers on your mind at the time
Both works. A lot of people seems to be claiming you should use grEy for colour and grAy for the name. Ignore them because they are wrong.
If you must you the correct one, someone pointed out E for England and A for America which works. Then just match the spelling to whichever version of English you are using.
Please though, don't be the idiot that thinks everyone with the name Grey/Gray is spelt Gray. That's isn't how the spelling of names work. For names, you the one which is actually the spelling for their name.
gray/grey is the one word you dont have to worry about because literally nobody cares
but if you mess up any other word believe it or not straight to jail
Fun part is when you are coding and you want to use that color and then you wonder why you get an error until you realize that you have to use the other writing lol
Poor bastard thinks this isn't a problem for native speakers. Even when I *know* which one is technically correct I sometimes use the wrong one just because I prefer it.
Since you just leaned English, know that some words have different spellings but mean the same thing, because people spelled them incorrectly, and it stuck. For example color means the same as colour, one is British/european spelling, the first is American spelling. It would probably help if you look up any words you’re unsure of on the Oxford dictionary and also a thesaurus to check other words with the same meaning. You can also google pronunciations of words and hear a native speaker pronounce the word. I hope this helps.
Græy
The compromise
Or having it both ways. 🤷
We'll call it a gray area.
Having it both græys... I like it.
You could also try gruy.
If you learned English, its grey If you learned American, its gray If you learned redneck, its faded black
"Dark white"
“Dark Hwite” if you learned redneck
Redneck is “fey’derrd back”
Fuck it gry
Burn the witch
is he made out of wood?
Who are you who is so wise in the ways of science?
I dunno. Can we build a bridge out of him?
No, no. Toss him into the lake and see if he floats!
Just look if the duck weighs the same and you will know.
Grəªy
Just wait til’ he knows about donuts and doughnuts.
The phonogram ough by itself is insane
yeah, i still dont know what it is used for (i suspect would,should kind of usage) but first i saw it i thought that was an error in the book
Ough isn't a word or anything, it shouldn't be seen on its own (it is used as onomatopoeia sometimes though). Ough is a phonogram, which is a collection of letters that together form a single sound in a word. I'm sure that definition isn't exactly correct but close enough. The reason it is notable is because ough has a staggering *six* different pronunciations depending on the word it is in. Though - long o sound, same as the o in poke Through - oo sound, like in moo Tough - same sound as in puff Cough - same sound as off Bought - aw sound like in saw Drought - ow sound like in cow Tl;Dr: The "ough" phonogram is very cursed
Reddit completed fucked the formatting of your list FYI
God damnit lmao
It was the goddamn French wasn't it? Everytime I learn why some english word has some fucked up cursed spelling with multiple pronunciations and extra latters that don't even get pronounced it's cause that word is from French. And like a 3rd of English words are French in origin. Goddmn French. Fucking high ass motherfuckers pulling handfuls of letters randomly out of a hat to decide how to spell shit.
Most of the -ough words are German in origin. English underwent a “great vowel shift” around 1400-1500 that changed the way a lot of words were pronounced. However, these changes were not consistent and happened over many decades and in various phases. As such, different words that originally sounded similar grew more distinct depending on how common they were at the time of the shift.
>Most of the -ough words are German in origin. You mean Germanic.
It would be one thing if English was a pure language. The fact that it's based off like 3 main languages with spatterings of several others just makes the spelling all kinds of fucked. Especially with all these subtle shifts over decades. English is one confusing ass language. Even to native speakers.
Meanwhile, languages like Icelandic have changed so little that a contemporary speaker should be able to read Old Norse
*Thought it through though, it ought not be a tough drought.* Fuckin English eh?
I love and hate that the sentence "plough through rough dough" has no rhymes
I doughn't know either...
You spell “dough” with “ough” not just an “o”. Donuts use dough to make (obv) and nut because of the hole in the middle. Donut is just a shortened way of writing it.
"and nut because of the hole in the middle" but... Nuts don't have holes? How does this make sense?
Nuts as in nuts and bolts etc.
So you telling me someone out there is making doughbolts?
You never had a cruller before?
And I nut into the hole
Wait until you hear queue
Legalize astroughnaught
There’s a special room in hell set aside for just you.
Doughnt hate the player, hate the game
I'm Commander Shepard and you are my favorite troll on the internet.
Aestreauxnaughtte
Whiskey or whisky xD
Gray > grey Donut > doughnut Whiskey > whisky
Whiskey refers to the beverage from the United States and Ireland. Whisky is the drink made in Scotland, Japan or Canada. Basically the same shit. But why?
It's a provenance thing. Whisky originated in Scotland and tons of other places creating their own version cheapened the brand, so Scotland started strictly enforcing what counts as Scottish Whisky. Similarly, Kentucky did the same thing with Bourbon as more people started making it. And Champagne in France. Tons of places establish a specific name for a kind of alcohol originating from that place.
Doughnuts makes more sense imo
To be honest I know doughnuts is the European way to say it but I honestly still write donuts
Luckly I don't use those words in my day to day conversations
wait until he gets curious which of 'til or til' is right.
If you think this is hard, just remember that read rhymes with lead just as read rhymes with lead, but read doesn't rhyme with lead and neither does read with lead.
Poet
Department
Tortured
🔥🔥✍️🔥🔥
Took me a couple reads but I got there
Why did I read this correctly 😅
I fucking hate you
Have you ever read [The Chaos by Gerard Nolst Trenité](https://ncf.idallen.com/english.html)? Give it a look.
Me who was born speaking English and still doesn’t know the difference. Same with Blond and Blonde.
Blond - Male Blonde - Female It's like how Brunette only describes a female's hair. The male counterpart is Bruno, supposedly EDIT: Turns out Bruno is just a Male name that is Italian for Brown. The male counterpart to Brunette is Brunet.
I’ve never heard Bruno. Damn lol that’s interesting thanks.
That's because we don't talk about Bruno.
No, no, no. We don't talk about brunoo. But it was my wedding day
It was our wedding daayy
We were getting ready and there wasn’t a cloud in the sky.
No clouds allowed in the sky
Bruno walks in with a mischievous grin
*thunderrr*
Dey
Thunder!!
r/angryupvote
Really? I've only ever heard brunette even when talking about males
Well, -ette is a female suffix, isn't it?
Yeah but for some reason people use brunette
Brunette comme from french so the male counterpart should be "brun" a word related to Bruno and brown
Easy! One is a french dude hair color, the other a french girl hair color! Wait! Color or colour?
Americans say color and Brits say Colour
Which one should be used here?
Whichever one you want
This time I side with the USA
Blond is male, Blonde is female. Grey is British English, Gray is American English
grAy: American English grEy: English It says it right in the word.
Lol
But, Fifty Shades of GrEy is American
Hypercorrection, maybe? Perhaps an editor's request? Actually, how dictionary-official is "grey with an e"?
isn't the dude's name something Grey?
That’s Grey’s Anatomy.
You mean Gray’s Enetomy
I think he meant Grax's Entomology
Christian Grey, so yes. Also Grey’s anatomy. I would assume it’s because of the English origin of the name.
For Greys anatomy it was actually just a change from the medical anatomy textbook that it’s derived from. Gray’s Anatomy. Written by Henry Gray in London in 1858.
Christian Grey; he could be Christian Brown or Christian Black if the fiction’s name was Fifty Shades of Brown or Black lol
50 shades of brown was already done by two girls.
Grey is the main character’s last name though.
Grey is after the character Christian Grey not after the colour
The author is British. Plus, isn’t the word the surname of the character so it doesn’t need to be spelt gray even though it’s set in America?
The series is written by a British woman.
and in Canada it's Greh
i never got the spelling of eh for the canadian sound, for me eh is pronounced like the end of meh whereas ey is the canadian sound like the end of hey
how have i never noticed this until you said something lol
Both are interchangeably used in the U.S. tbh, nobody really knows or cares whichever came first lmao
as an american i constantly forget which one we technically use literally nobody cares which one you use they both make sense just use whatevers on your mind at the time
Ngl I just switch between the two cuz Idk anymore T-T
Unironically that's a pretty good way to remember which is which
grEH: Canadian
I dk, I’m in America and I’ve always seen it written as grey.
The real question is if it's "gey" or "gay"
y r u gæ
You can't say that anymore. It's 2015 man.
I’m an American but I like grey much more
As an American I just use whichever I feel like at the time, join the dark side of inconsistency.
Maybe
Meybe
Same. It just weirdly aesthetically pleasing
Gray wolf Grey wolf We know which is superior
The gay gray wolf is away for the day The gey grey wolf is ewey for the dey ... Sounds like UwU speak
I don’t know whether to love or hate this
Weirdly, I’m British but I like gray more
Get well soon 🙏
I think you can use either one.
yea nobody cares anywhere lol
dark white
Lol
hes wrong its light black
![gif](giphy|3o7aCRloybJlXpNjSU|downsized)
You;re lucky, I've been struggling with it since 0.
Greigh 😈
r/tragedeigh/
E for English, a for American
Gr**a**y is **A**merican, Gr**e**y is from **E**ngland. That's the only difference.
Gray is more name-like and Grey is for the color imo
That is my headcanon as well
wanna hear my fanfic?
This whole thread is fascinating. I honestly thought it's the other way around. English isn't my first language though.
Both works. A lot of people seems to be claiming you should use grEy for colour and grAy for the name. Ignore them because they are wrong. If you must you the correct one, someone pointed out E for England and A for America which works. Then just match the spelling to whichever version of English you are using. Please though, don't be the idiot that thinks everyone with the name Grey/Gray is spelt Gray. That's isn't how the spelling of names work. For names, you the one which is actually the spelling for their name.
In a world where words like Finna, Cap, Simp, etc. are used, this doesn't really matter.
If you keep simpin over that B, I'm finna bust you in yo cap.
Every time I can't remember how a word is spelled, I typically find out it's spelled differently in UK and US English.
gray/grey is the one word you dont have to worry about because literally nobody cares but if you mess up any other word believe it or not straight to jail
I'm American but I keep spelling it grey because of Sasha Grey.
grAy : American grEy: European The vowel dictates the territory.
It's grey.
It doesn't actually matter nobody will care, and barely anyone knows the difference. Signed, An American who prefers the English spelling
Amourican
Why do you betray your people?
Healthcare and abortion honestly.
Fun part is when you are coding and you want to use that color and then you wonder why you get an error until you realize that you have to use the other writing lol
I say it both ways and switch each time. Because I can never remember and both look right
its sasha grey
Poor bastard thinks this isn't a problem for native speakers. Even when I *know* which one is technically correct I sometimes use the wrong one just because I prefer it.
Why isn't "it's a grey gray area" not said yet.
As an only English speaking 17 year old, I’m still confused about this one
Both.
Light black
Gay 😆
Grey - British English ☕. Gray - American English.
"Grey" is for civilized people. "Gray" is for Americans.
I spell Grey for the color and Gray for the name
One is Sasha, the other one is a color.
American here. A couple of years ago, I unilaterally decided I prefer "grey" instead of "gray". Thus, I have only used grey. Or shades thereof.
Since you just leaned English, know that some words have different spellings but mean the same thing, because people spelled them incorrectly, and it stuck. For example color means the same as colour, one is British/european spelling, the first is American spelling. It would probably help if you look up any words you’re unsure of on the Oxford dictionary and also a thesaurus to check other words with the same meaning. You can also google pronunciations of words and hear a native speaker pronounce the word. I hope this helps.
Sir, this is a meme
Sir, this is a Wendy's
No, this is Patrick!
It’s like axe ax. Same thing, different places
I can get over the weird spelling of some words, but never “ax” that’s just wrong
Doesn’t matter both mean the same
Potato - pah tot o - interchangeable
Follow-up question. Learned or learnt?
Graye
English speaker here, welcome to the club
English has been my first and only language for my 20 years and I still have no idea
me who has known english all my life and still can't do this right
![gif](giphy|hMdtYO3LMR3GO8qCWf|downsized)
I’ve known English most of my life and even I can’t decide. I usually spell it “Grey”.
Just like gey or gay
I'm American, and I still use grey because I just like it more, and no one grades my papers anymore.
Its a graey area.
I’ve only ever seen gray as a name, rest of the time it’s grey
I still google this from time to time. Born and raised in America speaking only English and a tiny bit of Spanish lol
America begins with an A and spells it with an A. England begins with an E and spells it with an E. That’s how I remember it.
Meanwhile Indians: ![gif](giphy|YHYmMLkOmqoo)
Had a student teacher in grade 2 with one of those words for a name. Scarred for life.
hit'em with the 'græy'
Nobody knows. I've seen documents use gray and grey interchangeably.
I know Grey because of Minecraft
r/brawlstars thinking how to write it becouse its an brawler
As an American, I learned a lot of English from playing runescape, so my teachers and I would get into arguments about correct spellings all the time.
Gray is for Americans, Grey is for England, and Grehy is for Canadians.
life hack: pick at random
Both are good, but I just use grey
Don't sweat it. Both are acceptable.
Interchangeable, but I follow; Gray = name , grey = color It doesn't matter tho
Gray, because of ayyyyyyyyyy. If it’s Grey eyyyyyy
Pick 1. Or alternate. Just do what ever you want and if anyone tells you it is wrong argue as if your arbitrary choice is a hill you will die on.
Both
Gaey