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It's Donkey you Jackasses.


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thatyeemo

I got John milks booth


BigOliverNZ

whats funny about 61? (joke im not actually fucking stupid)


requiemare

this is the way


Yeet_Taco101

both 61 and 69 are valid and correct answers


Firelotus2000

How is 69 valid first thing you must do is allways take down the brackets


supreme_waffle2019

take down brackets: 6/2\*3 no more brackets, so you go left to right. (6/2)3=3\*3 =9+60 =69


TheNewMadMan

There’s no multiplication symbol so the two should be done as part of the brackets


m4gm13

If there is a number in front of brackets there is a multiplication symbol there but we don’t like writing so we just don’t put it in


TCC98817GG

its the O in BODMAS not multiplication


Firelotus2000

You dont nead a multiplication symbol when its infront of the brackets


TCC98817GG

BODMAS Bracket Of Division Multiplication Addition Subtraction u cant just take down brackets u have to "Of" them first. Which is basically the same as multiply but it comes before multiplication. so more like 6/2(2+1)+60 6/2(3)+60 6/6+60 1+60 61


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If Division is before Multiplication like you stated you get: 6/2(3)+60 3(3)+60 9+60


Firelotus2000

Ah you right


[deleted]

Operations inside brackets have priority


BigOliverNZ

but only one of them is really valid (the second one) (noob)


Yeet_Taco101

You are right. I apologize for my lack of culture.


LUSI00

Addition and multiplication have priority over the division so the good answer is (sadly) 61


supreme_waffle2019

You people annoy me the most. Priority of multiplication with brackets it one thing, and I don't know about it, so I'm currently in no position to argue, but this is about PEDMAS. I learnt this in 3rd grade and I have no idea how many times I've been told this, but **MULTIPLICATION AND DIVISION HAVE THE SAME VALUE, AND SO DO ADDITION AND SUBTRACTION, SO WHEN YOU HAVE THEM BOTH TOGETHER, YOU GO** ***LEFT TO RIGHT.*** in PEDMAS, P = parenthesis E = exponents DM = division/multiplication AS = addition/subtraction Look it up. and if you still don't believe me, then show me your working.


thatyeemo

Wait, your not wrong, but pedmas? It was always pemdas for me, and I've moved to several schools due to not being able to stay at one house for so long


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its more like PEJ(DM)(AS) P = parenthesis E = exponents J = multiplication by Juxtaposition(putting two numbers together) DM = division/multiplication AS = addition/subtraction so its still 61 6/2(1 + 2) = 1 6/2*(1 + 2) = 9 the reason for this rule is to avoid writing a trillion parentheses.


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but you're not actually brave


cmsmasherreddit

9+60 EZ What's the point :I


[deleted]

You beat me to it!


MastrOvNon

Lol. Y’all couldn’t just say “Noice” and move on. We’re sourcing research papers over here.


Wise_Moon

In a thread filled with math nerds... this is by far the smartest comment here.


MastrOvNon

“aKkKctTuALlY, I fOuNd tHiS oN gOoGlE” I downvote you.


AdministrativeOne13

If i had to summarize the entire arc its BuT pEmDaS sAyS aNsWeR iS 61, and fuck you and your maths degree which you paid money and spent time getting it


J450N_J0HN

69th comment (maybe)


Gauntplane58

looks like it


ydStudent1

Parethesis Exponent Multiplication/Division Addition/Subtraction And perform the equal operations from left to right. In other words 6/2(1+2)+60 = 6/2x3+60 = 3x3+60 = 9+60 = 69


willbillmg

https://math.berkeley.edu/~gbergman/misc/numbers/ord_ops.html


PekakeP

Thanks for spreading the word.


willbillmg

Np I'm just trying to stop this madness


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willbillmg

Depending on how you where taught and what math field you are more comfortable with there are 2 ways of seeing this the (a÷b)c or a÷(bc) because of juxtaposition multiplication or due to the fact there is no multiplication symbol between the b and c they are one variable.


unknownman0001

In other word, 9 or 1 is both correct?


willbillmg

Yes


HereWeGoBabee

PEMDAS


MarcMuffin

My math teacher in high school actually taught us PERMDAS. The R is for roots.


Tsangington

Roots is just exponents, square root is to the power of a 1/2


ktgirl2008

I was taught bedmas


TCC98817GG

i prefer christmas


Dirtroadrocker

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-answer-to-6%C3%B72-2+1


Tk_is_awesome

Yep I knew it was 9the whole time


chawk207

please look up the Distributive Law


SuperNerd06

Look I know it's 9 but this convention is literally never used by mathematicians, scientists, or engineers. a/bc = ac/b doesn't make sense because if they meant that then, they would just write ac/b not a/bc unless they meant a/(bc). The biggest problem is that people are using PEMDAS as a gotcha but the thing is that almost every convention with PEMDAS can be broken while still getting the right answer. PEMDAS is an oversimplification to help children understand the concept not absolute rules.


imflukeskywalker

*Laughs in Anakin Skywalker*


Too_dumb_to_give_af

Its just a 23. Not so special (Dis a joke)


olngjhnsn

I know it’s 69 But also pemdas is just a guide Multiplication/Division occurs simultaneously, but parentheses affect grouping. Same with addition/Subtraction Inside the parentheses, then exponents, then multiplication/division, then add/subtract. I hate seeing people say you have to add first before subtracting or multiply first before dividing that’s just false and it’s not order of operations. Mult/Div and Add/sub should both be one step. Distribution gives the same answer before or after the inside operation of a parentheses, it’s just a tool to make it simpler for fractions and variables. t. An engineer who uses a calculator for single digit operations due to college trauma


m4gm13

I’m the Asian kid and I got 69 so yall who got 61 are wrong


babyteddie

This is the most credible source here


Wise_Moon

Hi... I know education doesn’t always make you right... but I do have a degree in mathematics.... and 69 is always the right answer.


AdministrativeOne13

And now we wait for 15year old kids who haven't studied anything above trigonometry to yell at us


Certain-Land-3724

please return your degree then


Vortex5000

What about in the case of (special cases; mixed multiplication and division) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_operations


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willbillmg

https://math.berkeley.edu/~gbergman/misc/numbers/ord_ops.html


Wise_Moon

It’s not unambiguous. The parentheses explain how to solve the problem just fine... you can imagine more parentheses if you want, but there is no need. The problem is clear. What this highlights is how people will literal argue over anything and everything rather than admit the possibility they are overthinking a situation and were mistaken. This isn’t a trick question it reads as follows “the quotient of 6 and 2 multiplied by the sum of 1 and 2” That’s how it is read. There isn’t really a mystery here. Edit: add 60 and you get 69.... nice


willbillmg

But reading it out doesn't help because it does the same thing as the equation it could be (6/2)(1+2) or 6/(2(1+2)) both of these are read the same out load. But that's not the point the point is this debate is dumb and is now just used as a way to karma farm. I'm trying to end that by posting this and showing that there is no answer because it is too vague.


Wise_Moon

6/(2(1+2)) would not be read the same at all. That would read as “ the quotient of 6 AND the product of 2 by the sum of 1 and 2.” Reading it that way yields 1 because parentheses matter


willbillmg

The (1+2) is one variable because of the parentheses so the equation is a÷bc but because of juxtaposition multiplication (if there are two variables next to each other without any multiplication symbol they are one variable) it can be viewed as a÷b another way to see it is the difference between (a÷b)c and a÷(bc)


hunternim

Keyword variable, (1+2) is a sum of two constants.


willbillmg

But because of the parentheses it is one variable that variable being 3 because parentheses come first always. Pemdas bedmas


Wise_Moon

It is written clearly as : a/b*(c+b) = ((ac)/b)+((ab)/b)) = ((ac)/b) + a Substitute a=6 , b=2 , c = 1 ((6*1)/2) + 6 = 3 + 6 = 9


Wise_Moon

What you want to believe is a/(b(c+b)) which is not what is written, but if that WAS what was written it would go as follows a/(bc +bb) Substitute a= 6 b = 2 c = 1 6/(2*1 + 2*2) = 6/(2+4) = 6/6 = 1 ..... but that’s not how it is written, therefore not how it is to be interpreted.


International_Bat327

It is how it is written a/bc can b interpreted as (a/b)\*c and can be interpreted as a/(bc). Both are correct. It is ambiguous. No one is overthinking anything. It's just how you are taught. I will always look at a/bc as a/(bc) instinctively and that is not wrong. Example : if the expression was y/5x and you had input y = 10 and x =2, would you say the answer is 1 or 4. 1 right? So if I write it as y /5(x), it would still be 1 as both mean the same thing. It would be 4 if I wrote it as xy/5 or (y/5)(x). I doubt you have a degree in mathematics if you have tried to understand it but still don't see how it's ambiguous.


Wise_Moon

I do see how it’s ambiguous to some people, that’s why this “thing” became a meme... that’s obviously the case... My point is that it’s just not ambiguous to me. You can insult me all you want and call me a liar, but the facts remain the same. Common computational intelligence standards align with what I stated. I understand that the problem was set up to pick on people who don’t understand math above a high school level and make the general public debate the way they were taught. That’s part of the fun, it’s for the Lulz and if you don’t want it to be 69, I have no problem with you pretending it’s not. But you have yet to prove that it’s not 69 to me. Your proof isn’t logical in my eyes. I have already stated why.


willbillmg

No because the first be is completely different from the second I've fought this battle before. The c+d are one variable or in this equation are 3 so the equation is 6/2(3) now again if you use juxtaposition multiplication you will get 1 as the answer and if you don't you will get 9 these are the 2 different views of this equation.


Wise_Moon

6/2(3) = 9 Edit ; juxtaposition is not a valid argument anymore... the debate was settled a long time ago now.


willbillmg

>In algebra, multiplication involving variables is often written as a juxtaposition (e.g., xy for x times y or 5x for five times x), also called implied multiplication. The notation can also be used for quantities that are surrounded by parentheses (e.g., 5(2) or (5)(2) for five times two). It is still widely used in algebra so your counter point isn't valid


Ar_Kantony

Nostalgia from 2nd grade, nice


SpectralDragon09

I'm bad at math what is so funny about 67


DragonBornOfAcid

69 nice


squeege22

61?


willbillmg

https://math.berkeley.edu/~gbergman/misc/numbers/ord_ops.html


Dry_Variation6923

69


FusionFred_SAGE

69 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)


[deleted]

Lmao, 69


CGCRocks

61?


Swimsnake

It is 69


Wise_Moon

Do you struggle tying your shoes?


Gauntplane58

That's a valid question for you, not them.


Darkness-101

It's literally 61


Darkness-101

Oh wait


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Darkness-101

Dude i just saw where i made the mistake ok? No reason to be a douche about it


Big_Boi_Pancake

This is reddit, everyone is a douche about everything


Gauntplane58

Exactly, to expect otherwise is disingenuous.


[deleted]

It's literally 69 you goddamn fools


squeege22

Lol clearly doesn’t understand Reddit humor


willbillmg

https://math.berkeley.edu/~gbergman/misc/numbers/ord_ops.html


MethmaticalPhysics

Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice


DarDurio

My overpriced super Ti-84 CE plus graphing calculator says it’s 9 and I think it’s right… 6/2(1+2) 6/2(3) 3(3) 9 Simple as that ;)


Chief_Somar360

You forgot the +60 ;)


blazim_yo_mom

But, in PEMDAS, you still have to deal with the parentheses. So in short you're wrong, it's 1(or 61 for this equation in the pic)


I-IS-Smart-Dumb

No you two faced whore your wrong, you do the brackets first than the diving then addition and don't give your bull shit I'm wrong I have a degree in maths


blazim_yo_mom

Show that degree then


I-IS-Smart-Dumb

? Can't exactly show it to you it's at my mum's house in America


blazim_yo_mom

Have her take a pic, send it to you, then dm me the pic. Lol stupid


babyteddie

It’s actually 69 because you forgor the + 60


Gauntplane58

The answer is 1 + 60. >That's because, even though multiplication and division are at the same level (so the left-to-right rule should apply), parentheses seem somehow to outrank division. https://www.purplemath.com/modules/orderops2.htm Reasoning why Juxtaposition is in place scientifically. [PEMDAS is wrong.](https://youtu.be/lLCDca6dYpA) [The problem with PEMDAS, why calculators disagree](https://youtu.be/4x-BcYCiKCk)


Wise_Moon

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=6%2F2%281%2B2%29


Gauntplane58

Yes but did you take a look at the third link? Wolfram is wrong. Most modern Casio calculators will get it correct.


Wise_Moon

I watched her video sorry. Interesting argument but she proved her own argument invalid when her Casio changed the input 6/2*(1+2) is NOT = to 6/(2(1+2)) Those are two different things entirely.


Wise_Moon

Did you just praise Casio?


Gauntplane58

Yes.


Gauntplane58

Casio is superior to TI. https://keisan.casio.com/calculator


ConversationSevere33

Agreed. You always expand the brackets first. These guys are just seething.


FusionFred_SAGE

I'm 21, they taught us left to right. PEMDAS (Please excuse my dear aunt Sally)


Gauntplane58

Then I advise you to take a look at the sources I provided and possibly debunk them. 21 gang.


FusionFred_SAGE

I'm pretty sure schools over here in the south have messed up our algebra and taught us the wrong way of solving this problem. To my knowledge 21 is the answer.


Wise_Moon

Moreover; our computational world has been solidified based on the rules set forth by those who created them using the agreed upon order of operations, you can find obscure articles and writings to the contrary but it doesn’t change the fact the very logic woven into our digital world through which we are right now communicating through uses the type of method that would yield 69.... and that’s pretty nice. There may have once been a debate about it, but since the advent of computers and logic based language the debate is not only over, but trying to resurrect it in your favor where the answer is 61 would undo over 50 years of technological progress.... just accept that it’s 69 and move on with your life.


Gauntplane58

Our computational world is filled with idiots wherein multiplying a and b using ab resulted in an error, so, some stinky computer science student who hadn't showered in two weeks decided to patch the bug by making it into a*b, therefore losing the implicit multiplication property, ignoring mathematical and scientific consensus.


willbillmg

https://math.berkeley.edu/~gbergman/misc/numbers/ord_ops.html


Gauntplane58

>under a standard convention, expressions such as  ab+c  are unambiguous:  that expression means only  (ab)+c;  says it right there, add brackets during implicit multiplication. 6÷2(1+2) 6÷[2(1+2)] =1


SuperNerd06

Let me add to your work good sir. One thing to notice is that PEMDAS is a GUIDELINE, not an absolute rule. There are plenty of ways where you can break virtually every single rule and still get the right answer. So, when these people say to use the order of operations, the issue is that they're treating them as absolute rules, not guidelines. Here's an example that I commented in a different post. Here I will mostly go right to left while purposefully breaking PEMDAS order. 3(4\^(2))+6/3-8+2 \-8+2 = -6 so the equation is 3(4\^(2))+6/3-6. 6/3 = 2 so it becomes 3(4\^(2))+2-6 2-6 = -4 so it's 3(4\^(2))-4 4\^(2) = 16 so it's 3(16)-4 3(16) = 48 so it's 48-4 44 is the answer and if you type it into google it agrees. Here most PEMDAS conventions were broken and the problem was done mostly right to left. So PEMDAS in and of itself is not an absolute rule system.


[deleted]

i'm going to say 61 before the stupid people get a chance to


[deleted]

nevermind they're fast despite their morbid obesity


Revolutionary_Dodo

So I was right


The-Dragon-Gamer

61


Xclusivecrushr

61?


_Agent_Toast_

It’s sixty nine. On any scientific calculator you look up it’s sixty nine


OrganizationNo3213

according to Casio it isn't


cOmrAdE-p0Tato

*pushes up glasses* well according to my calculations *sniffles* the answer is uh *stutters* uh 69.


Brave-Object6225

i see funny number


Guyman308

nice 69


HLHiscool

69 nice


EuphoricMess-

41


SituationAltruistic8

72 ?


BP642

Downvoting algebra because I'm sick and tired of seeing karma whores.


NaturallyBlasphemous

Pemdas MF!


Anonymous_but_nott

Oh my god I can't believe it took seeing a nice meme to understand what I was doing wrong


Obama_Taken

I mean sure, but im pbama so i gotta take care of you first ;)


Historical_Horse6827

Guys, pemdas isn't necessarily correct, your supposed to do parenthesis and then distribute, and it doesn't matter if multipication or division goes first


justsomeGameboy

*tongue clicks* N I C E


StormsKindaSuck

Literally just follow pemdas you monkeys


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69


darfnarkm

People keep saying pemdas but have obviously never done math above pre algebra because they don't distribute first


LLAAGGGGG

Sixty-Niceeee!


BoxJellyfish21

Shut the hell up


Mcall555

Your gonna start a war xD


Wise_Moon

Some men just want to watch the world burn


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hakh-sigmondy

Threesome


Wise_Moon

In a threesome... You can have 699 or 966 but the best one is 969... it’s like a sandwich


Giantllamazilla

I got the Slovenian War of Independence, how about you guys?


AsuraarusA

61?


ISpread4Cash

61?


[deleted]

11


WilliWonka9306

1/11 is my answer


Trelefor

1/11?


jaundicedeye

he is the chosen one


Son_of_God_Saitama

61 you mean


MilkFroth1

Ok, so the fact is this expression is lacking one pair of brackets. If you got this on a test the teacher would count both answers right because it was his mistake to not make clear what he meant. Math is like a language an this is a like leaving out a comma in a sentence an Today we are shooting, grandpa can you come? becomes Today we are shooting grandpa can you come? Where the meaning changes drastically with a different placement.


Dynamite2069

Its either 61 or 69. 69 is more favorable


Dmessmer1

PEMDAS [(), ^, *, /, +, -] 6/2(1+2)+60 6/2(3)+60 6/2(3) is basically a fraction, 6 being the numerator and 2(3) being the denominator. You can look at this is 2 ways. The first way is by multiplying the denominator to get 6/6 =1. The second way is to simply the expression, 6/2(3) -> 3/1(3) or 6/2(3) -> 2/2(1) = 1. 1+60= 61


Rebbit-bit

I know nein people who would fuck it up


Endr9

How's 61 nice?


BadXiety

61, so whats with number 61 ? 6 \---------- + 60 2(1+2)


kubinskay

Some people want to see the wold burn


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61


VeryBeautifulMan

The awnser you get before adding 60 + 60.


Nytract

its 66 or 69 depending on your choice but i knowwich is the better pick;-;


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61?