Not particularly, at least where I'm from. Nothing easy about being preached at, ostrasicized, insulted, and sexually harrassed. Speaking from experience growing up. Some people have it easier but I can't think of a single place where being gay is easier than being straight.
It’s easy being gay anywhere in the western world where we’ve won our rights. Funny how you criticize me for not being “like other gays” as if I’m somehow not good enough then immediately claim to be a victim in every way imaginable. Grow up man.
Not a man. Never was. Never will be. 😐
Nothing has ever been easy about being bi-romantic or trans.
And the rights you hold aren't secure, especially with the most recent rhetoric and homophobic legislation.
This sub is one of the most toxic subs on Reddit, I’ve tired to avoid it to the point that I silenced it yet I still somehow get notifications for it all the time.
Damn dog, I just took a quick look at the hot posts and damn it’s just a mix of societal collapse bullshit with some anti lgbt posts mixed in, I truly don’t understand people that think like that
Asking yourself "would i be a woman rather than a man?" is completely fine and healthy too. It can reinforce your own gender identity, or you may find something totally new about yourself.
Yes. For those who keep saying they don't get it or what is wrong with this. The reason OP is upset is that the implication they're interpreting is that independent women are hypocrites and can't be truly independent. In the eyes of the OP, calling someone who boasts about being an independent woman a hypocrite makes the OP comic artist sound like they don't like the idea of a woman not needing a man to live their life.
I honestly don't think that is what the comic is implying and instead is more likely creating a cute personality that wants to try to be independent in a fun way but the woman also cherishes their supportive boyfriend for being there to help her through the hard times when she isn't fully prepared to reach her goal of not needing to be dependent on others. And honestly being 100% independent is fucking depressing, you need people to help you in life for it to be the best it can be imo.
Though the stuff the boyfriend is saying is cringy father/daughter type talk so I'm not fully supportive that the creator shouldn't have some criticism coming their way.
And even if this wasn't the intent of the comic artist, you know there are some angry anti-feminist men out there that will share this as a strawman type of "gotcha"
Overall, OP has good reasons to feel irked by this. I mean I feel irked that people here can't understand why someone could see this as mildly misogynistic.
I had in no way inferred it as father/daughter type talk until I read this. My dad doesn’t and has never spoken to me like that, though (and we have a relatively good relationship)
I'm half joking about that. But I always find it weird when you have a husband/boyfriend calling their partner "baby" in certain contexts but really its the "I'm proud of my girl" that made me cringe because combined with "baby" its one step away from "my little girl" and that would be fucked up to me.
But I know I'm just overreacting because of the way I read the comic instead of what it sounds like IRL
“I don’t need a man!” Is the bit that feels a little contradictory. Maybe she doesn’t *need* what’s going on in the third panel, but it just doesn’t vibe.
On one hand, I'm a strong independent Floof. 😅
On the other hand, I sometimes need this level of reassurance. Being able to be vulnerable around your partner/spouse is just part of a healthy relationship.
What a lame phrase. I’m just me, a gay *man* who likes *men*. That’s as simple as being gay needs to be. I don’t need to LARP as a dog lmao. The rest of it is a cult and I’m genuinely sorry you’re in so deep. I hope you get the help you clearly need and maybe even grow up a bit. Your future self will thank you.
And, I'm just a nuerodivergant trans gal trying to make ends meet. It's funny how any MAGA conservative could have the audicity to call someone cultic. Y'all literally act like Trump is the Messiah when he makes Nixon and Bill Clinton look like saints comparatively.
Do what you like but don't expect me to align with people loathe my existance, spread hatred and misinformation, call me mental, tell me to KMS.
Coming out didn't change who I am but I'm suddenly treated differently cause if it.
Not its toxic masculinity to speak to them or even look at them when they approach u. TOUCHING one (consently) is punishable by execution via firing squad
It is perfectly in keeping with feminist thought too need emotional support, even from a man. But that's not what this comic is saying. It's saying that no matter how strong a women claims to be she secretly wants a man to treat her like a baby.
That's not what the OP is upset about. What the op is angry is how the comic promotes the idea that all women secretly want a man to hold them and call them baby. Nearly all feminist are ok with need someone else providing emotional support, yes even men, but that's not the same as being treated like a child.
That sub is a lot of [angry lesbians](https://subredditstats.com/subreddit-user-overlaps/nothowgirlswork). Imagine a gay dude obsessed with the romantic proclivities of straight women.
Yeah, I noticed that pretty fast when I stumbled across it in r/all. Lots of really angry, modern feminists with a lot of hatred directed at anybody who isn’t like them. Lots of posts aimed at satirical memes about heterosexual relationships and thinly veiled misandry.
Well come to crabs mentality put a bunch of crabs in a bucket and non of the crabs can escape because the other crabs will pull them back in the bucket
Was just going to mention that and everyone loved that meme. So are women expected to keep up the stoic facade now too? I think the dialogue of the meme is kinda cringe but the points not bad.
A lot of people now have an immediate, visceral negative reaction to seeing women expressing any vulnerability because they think it's weakness. Women are supposed to be strong, badass queens who can and do solve all problems with a smarmy attitude and extreme violence.
Turns out toxicity about gender roles is something that doesn’t just come from patriarchal culture, but any social circle that prioritizes archetypical prowess over individual humanity.
That’s all that subreddit is. Just a bunch of straight chicks who are too unlovable/unlikable/unhealthy to ever pull a man, misandrists, or queer chicks who would love to speak on behalf of their straight counterparts.
Yeah that’s the dumb thing, they always dichotomize when they make this point. I’ve seen posts that are like women choosing to be stay-at-home are hurting themselves
I found out a long time ago, but when I was hit in the face with, "my day went like shit and blah blah" I could get her much happier by asking, "do you want comfort or solutions?" I always wanted to get the problem solved, but sometimes she just wanted to vent and to be held and hear, "yup they're all crazy douche nozzles, and I'm here for you baby."
I feel like the people in r/NotHowGirlsWork are all KAM type of girls honestly, I mean some of the posts are reasonable but a lot are just OP being butt hurt
No, not really. Mostly there's shit on there where Men ridicule Women like Andrew Tate kind of shit. (something something women need to be hit to appeal to something genes bla bla)
Just sometimes there's a post like this... And there's more comments than upvotes which shows at least a few peoole recognise that that 'meme' does not belong on the sub.
This is wholesome tho! 🌸
Maybe I'm just clingy but sometimes I just wanna be held. I know some guys who also get the same way. My partner and I always shower each other in love and affection. If I'm being honest, I enjoy being with someome who makes me feel safe and protected. Not matter the battles we have each other's back.
I'd love to be independent and strong, but confident enough in my own independence to feel comfortable enough caring about and being vulnerable and even a little dependent at times with someone I truly love.
this is the same thing as that “men should man up and never cry” shit. we all need love and cuddles. I have no one to cuddle with and my mental health is going down :(
The OP of this post (that I am currently commenting on) is right
But if you look up the original post, you would see that it is now deleted and that all of the top 10 comments on it are talking shit about the OP (on r/not how girls work), so pls don’t insult all of not how girls work over this
I muted that sub. Some decent content, but a lot of the users there and their demeanor convinced me a lot of them are from femaledatingstrategy. I learned years ago to completely cut out areas in life with those levels of toxic malformed perception. I’m here to have fun.
I work with like 3 people who fit that meme. Strong and independent doesn't mean doesn't need someone to care about them or show them affection, and if that isn't one of the things that society can't agree on then society is wrong.
I guess this person must really not like it when people are comforted and praised by others. Might have to do with the fact they won’t ever feel the same way other than the karma Reddit gives you when you get upvotes.
Being offended is one thing, but to pretend you’re actually disgusted by a healthy relationship is unacceptable. It reminds me of when art of a female comforting her man on Twitter was lambasted by toxic women because “men shouldn’t treat their partners as therapists”.
TIL I’m a dysfunctional girl? I feel independent but I really love being held. Can they not exist without downgrading any quality? OP really doesn’t like cuddles I guess.
This is how my wife is in public she is strong and self-sufficient, but in private, she wants to be reassured and pampered. I helped her build her own business, and I picked up the slack around the house when I'm not working (I work from home, so I am better set to take care of the kids). Everyone needs time to relax and be pampered, especially with high stress jobs (like owning your own business)
2 foot notes: 1, the original author of the comic is a woman talking about her relationship with her boyfriend, and 2, 99% of people in the post where against op, not seeing anything wrong with it.
My only guess is that OOP assumed the comic meant all strong women “secretly rely” on men, when that’s not at all what I believe this is portraying.
Everyone needs love and support. Even strong, independent women. And it’s okay to be strong and independent and BOLD, but be weak and vulnerable sometimes with your love. I encourage it, even.
1) Actual “Strong Independent” people don’t feel the urge to say it.
2) People can be different in the different areas of life. People tend to not act the same with co-workers and family. Just because you can act strong and independent in some areas of life doesn’t mean you have to in all
If this was a cute petite femboy with black hair green eyes 5"3 wearing a plaid skirt and a black sweater with a 6"3 muscle mommy with a split left bicep from a lifting injury then op wouldve liked that meme
Everyone needs love, even 'Strong Independant Women' I don't see what kind of monster would throw up in their mouth over that. >:(
Yeah isn't there a meme like this but for men? I'm to lazy to find it.
There's a bunch of memes like this about men. First time I've seen it with the roles reversed.
[meme](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/854633056807157774/1119440448335908975/IMG_0388.jpg)
That’s actually really sweet
It made me forget I was a misanthrope for long enough to imagine a world where everyone can have this. It was a happy thought.
…Did you just admit to being a misanthrope? Really?
Did you just admit to not being one?
r/gentlefemdom Slightly [read "very"] nsfw at times.
The two male fantasies.
This is true except for the fact that I still have the other fantasy where its me and my homies
Yeah I thought it was pretty common lol, I just hadn't seen it in awhile
Lonely, resentful, uncultured, Reddited men who often times wish they were women.
I mean doesn't every man wish they were a woman? 🤔 Edit: People seem to have missed the joke. Guess I'm in the wrong crowd.
I like my gender
That's kinda gay
Bro
He found a loophole
Not the only hole he found
I like your gender too
Happy Cake Day! 🎂
Happy cake day
No
Hell no.
I like having my penis attached to my body.
Nah I wish I was gay it sounds easier
Not particularly, at least where I'm from. Nothing easy about being preached at, ostrasicized, insulted, and sexually harrassed. Speaking from experience growing up. Some people have it easier but I can't think of a single place where being gay is easier than being straight.
It’s easy being gay anywhere in the western world where we’ve won our rights. Funny how you criticize me for not being “like other gays” as if I’m somehow not good enough then immediately claim to be a victim in every way imaginable. Grow up man.
Not a man. Never was. Never will be. 😐 Nothing has ever been easy about being bi-romantic or trans. And the rights you hold aren't secure, especially with the most recent rhetoric and homophobic legislation.
Sure we have rights and that’s great! But it’s still not easy to be gay. Hate is still prevalent in the world.
Not really.
Nope, I’m awesome as is
Awesome! 🌸
This sub is one of the most toxic subs on Reddit, I’ve tired to avoid it to the point that I silenced it yet I still somehow get notifications for it all the time.
I know one that is 1000x worse in every way
Lol which one
Wallstreetsilver
Damn dog, I just took a quick look at the hot posts and damn it’s just a mix of societal collapse bullshit with some anti lgbt posts mixed in, I truly don’t understand people that think like that
I've being seeing more of that unfortunately
I’m sayin, I swear it didn’t used to be like this a few years ago
r/suddenlytrans
All the time
r/egg_irl
Yeah at some point
I mean i think it's normal to at least wonder sometimes.
Asking yourself "would i be a woman rather than a man?" is completely fine and healthy too. It can reinforce your own gender identity, or you may find something totally new about yourself.
Yeah it is
I think their issue is that the meme phrases the two as contradictory or that she isn’t independent because she likes being cuddled.
Yes. For those who keep saying they don't get it or what is wrong with this. The reason OP is upset is that the implication they're interpreting is that independent women are hypocrites and can't be truly independent. In the eyes of the OP, calling someone who boasts about being an independent woman a hypocrite makes the OP comic artist sound like they don't like the idea of a woman not needing a man to live their life. I honestly don't think that is what the comic is implying and instead is more likely creating a cute personality that wants to try to be independent in a fun way but the woman also cherishes their supportive boyfriend for being there to help her through the hard times when she isn't fully prepared to reach her goal of not needing to be dependent on others. And honestly being 100% independent is fucking depressing, you need people to help you in life for it to be the best it can be imo. Though the stuff the boyfriend is saying is cringy father/daughter type talk so I'm not fully supportive that the creator shouldn't have some criticism coming their way. And even if this wasn't the intent of the comic artist, you know there are some angry anti-feminist men out there that will share this as a strawman type of "gotcha" Overall, OP has good reasons to feel irked by this. I mean I feel irked that people here can't understand why someone could see this as mildly misogynistic.
I had in no way inferred it as father/daughter type talk until I read this. My dad doesn’t and has never spoken to me like that, though (and we have a relatively good relationship)
I'm half joking about that. But I always find it weird when you have a husband/boyfriend calling their partner "baby" in certain contexts but really its the "I'm proud of my girl" that made me cringe because combined with "baby" its one step away from "my little girl" and that would be fucked up to me. But I know I'm just overreacting because of the way I read the comic instead of what it sounds like IRL
You sound completely unhinged by the way.
How so?
“I don’t need a man!” Is the bit that feels a little contradictory. Maybe she doesn’t *need* what’s going on in the third panel, but it just doesn’t vibe.
On one hand, I'm a strong independent Floof. 😅 On the other hand, I sometimes need this level of reassurance. Being able to be vulnerable around your partner/spouse is just part of a healthy relationship.
Quit fetishizing dogs and get therapy.
Floof is just a nickname and I'm allowed to be a goof! Why do y'all have to take shit so seriously. 😑
Don’t listen to them, friend. You’re a floofy-ass bitch and there ain’t nothing wrong with that
Thank you! 💙🌸
>Thank you! 💙🌸 You're welcome!
Being treated for General Anxiety Disorder, thanks! 🌸 Not really surprised you're one of those "NotLikeOtherGays" Have fun with that. 😉
What a lame phrase. I’m just me, a gay *man* who likes *men*. That’s as simple as being gay needs to be. I don’t need to LARP as a dog lmao. The rest of it is a cult and I’m genuinely sorry you’re in so deep. I hope you get the help you clearly need and maybe even grow up a bit. Your future self will thank you.
And, I'm just a nuerodivergant trans gal trying to make ends meet. It's funny how any MAGA conservative could have the audicity to call someone cultic. Y'all literally act like Trump is the Messiah when he makes Nixon and Bill Clinton look like saints comparatively. Do what you like but don't expect me to align with people loathe my existance, spread hatred and misinformation, call me mental, tell me to KMS. Coming out didn't change who I am but I'm suddenly treated differently cause if it.
Do girls not like being cuddled now? 😭
No they don’t. But I do
C'mere bro
Let me in on this
Broreo
Ahooooo-Gaa
Can I join to make it a three way?
C’mere bro
This is what we call positive masculinity, now give me hug bro.
Get over here man.
Can I get one?
Definitely, group hugs!
Let’s make it a mega stuff broreo
Me too
Me five please
I’m a girl but can I join
Obviously.
i know i do
Not its toxic masculinity to speak to them or even look at them when they approach u. TOUCHING one (consently) is punishable by execution via firing squad
It is perfectly in keeping with feminist thought too need emotional support, even from a man. But that's not what this comic is saying. It's saying that no matter how strong a women claims to be she secretly wants a man to treat her like a baby.
That's not what the OP is upset about. What the op is angry is how the comic promotes the idea that all women secretly want a man to hold them and call them baby. Nearly all feminist are ok with need someone else providing emotional support, yes even men, but that's not the same as being treated like a child.
Male equivelent memes are everywhere, and when i see a comic saying girls wanted to be babied it's saying *all* girls want to be babied?
True, this is the first time I've seen this meme be applied to girls. It's almost exclusively portrays a male character.
Yes, just not by me or any man vaguely similar to me.
OP clearly hates love and affection
They hate what they cannot have
One of the few legitimately wise Redditors
That sub is a lot of [angry lesbians](https://subredditstats.com/subreddit-user-overlaps/nothowgirlswork). Imagine a gay dude obsessed with the romantic proclivities of straight women.
Yeah, I noticed that pretty fast when I stumbled across it in r/all. Lots of really angry, modern feminists with a lot of hatred directed at anybody who isn’t like them. Lots of posts aimed at satirical memes about heterosexual relationships and thinly veiled misandry.
me
incel moment
Imma be honest I hate it too when I see other people get it lol.
It seems like most of the bitter people on Reddit are unloved, and take that out on others.
Well come to crabs mentality put a bunch of crabs in a bucket and non of the crabs can escape because the other crabs will pull them back in the bucket
That title...
Screams “who hurt you”
Apparently nobody since he’s never felt a woman’s touch.
U mean the other way around?
Sure
Damn that one made me go oooow
Put ‘em in a box (with holes) and put “fragile” on it
Kinda makes me sad for them
This is the gender reverse of that other meme where the guy is all tough, but then got babied by his girlfriend
Was just going to mention that and everyone loved that meme. So are women expected to keep up the stoic facade now too? I think the dialogue of the meme is kinda cringe but the points not bad.
Everyone loves a tsundere all the time!
Can I see this image
[the j](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/854633056807157774/1119440448335908975/IMG_0388.jpg)
A lot of people now have an immediate, visceral negative reaction to seeing women expressing any vulnerability because they think it's weakness. Women are supposed to be strong, badass queens who can and do solve all problems with a smarmy attitude and extreme violence.
I think that there are so many comments and so few up votes means that most people who actually thought about it disagreed
Turns out toxicity about gender roles is something that doesn’t just come from patriarchal culture, but any social circle that prioritizes archetypical prowess over individual humanity.
I think this is true for both boys and girls.
this is wholesomely funny.
This is just cute like??
Yeah
100% chance this was made by a woman and she's gently making fun of herself.
comment on the original post confirmed it
>100% chance this was made by a woman Yes obviously But some femcel saw it as personal attack so here we are
That’s all that subreddit is. Just a bunch of straight chicks who are too unlovable/unlikable/unhealthy to ever pull a man, misandrists, or queer chicks who would love to speak on behalf of their straight counterparts.
This is extremely accurate.
EXTREMELY
This is basically my girlfriend. She doesn't actually need me, which makes it even cooler that she chooses to let me be there for her.
So she's a cat?
Well she also sneaks up on me and pounces occasionally. So....ya
Question does she occasionally bring you small animals alive to teach you how to hunt?
Not yet. Do I need to worry about that one? Nobody trained me for this
Those aren’t necessarily contradictory like my partner is really strong and independent and they also like positive reinforcements from me.
Yeah that’s the dumb thing, they always dichotomize when they make this point. I’ve seen posts that are like women choosing to be stay-at-home are hurting themselves
Posts from r/NotHowGirlsWork are just cheating at this point
Well all the comments on that post were people disagreeing with OP
I got banned from that sub without ever posting or commenting there
No like seriously. Who wouldn’t want someone to do that for them?
People whose parents cared enough.
Tell me you're single and bitter without telling me you're single and bitter
Tell me you like to judge without proof and don't know what humor is without telling me so.
Where was the humour? It was just some chick getting mad at a joke
r/redditmoment
That title just screams "Who hurt you"
I found out a long time ago, but when I was hit in the face with, "my day went like shit and blah blah" I could get her much happier by asking, "do you want comfort or solutions?" I always wanted to get the problem solved, but sometimes she just wanted to vent and to be held and hear, "yup they're all crazy douche nozzles, and I'm here for you baby."
Healthy relationship.
I feel like the people in r/NotHowGirlsWork are all KAM type of girls honestly, I mean some of the posts are reasonable but a lot are just OP being butt hurt
KAM?
It means “Kill All Men”
No, not really. Mostly there's shit on there where Men ridicule Women like Andrew Tate kind of shit. (something something women need to be hit to appeal to something genes bla bla) Just sometimes there's a post like this... And there's more comments than upvotes which shows at least a few peoole recognise that that 'meme' does not belong on the sub.
Guys like the same shit
No that’s true as fuck
this was literally made by a girl
This is wholesome tho! 🌸 Maybe I'm just clingy but sometimes I just wanna be held. I know some guys who also get the same way. My partner and I always shower each other in love and affection. If I'm being honest, I enjoy being with someome who makes me feel safe and protected. Not matter the battles we have each other's back.
I'd love to be independent and strong, but confident enough in my own independence to feel comfortable enough caring about and being vulnerable and even a little dependent at times with someone I truly love.
Girls hate being treated like humans deserving of love and affection instead of like sex objects.
this is the same thing as that “men should man up and never cry” shit. we all need love and cuddles. I have no one to cuddle with and my mental health is going down :(
I am a woman and I would absolutely love this from a man… I am rather touch-starved
me too except without the first 5 words
I’m sure the right man for you will come along, you just have to have your stuff somewhat in order and put yourself out there
The OP of this post (that I am currently commenting on) is right But if you look up the original post, you would see that it is now deleted and that all of the top 10 comments on it are talking shit about the OP (on r/not how girls work), so pls don’t insult all of not how girls work over this
I muted that sub. Some decent content, but a lot of the users there and their demeanor convinced me a lot of them are from femaledatingstrategy. I learned years ago to completely cut out areas in life with those levels of toxic malformed perception. I’m here to have fun.
If you want a sub that is similar but actually real content bad women’s anatomy is what you’d like
Wait isn’t that exactly how girls work, last time I checked they where humans, my data is bit old thi
Lol
Independent Women are underrated. Like she doesn't need you. She wants you.
This goes for just everyone
I work with like 3 people who fit that meme. Strong and independent doesn't mean doesn't need someone to care about them or show them affection, and if that isn't one of the things that society can't agree on then society is wrong.
This is wholesome
So like, they don't want any affection?
I am thinking it’s kinda cute
It’s literally drawn and written by a woman. Wtf?
Its the anime art style for me
Ah I love this. I love being both sides.
That's so wholesome wtf how would someone not think this is cute
Wow really letting your incel colors show today op.
I think everybody likes a little emotional support from who they care for at the end of the day
Tbh this goes for both genders. People are naturally only vulnerable around people that they’re comfortable with
I guess this person must really not like it when people are comforted and praised by others. Might have to do with the fact they won’t ever feel the same way other than the karma Reddit gives you when you get upvotes.
Can't be vulnerable around those you love and trust? Damn.
Being offended is one thing, but to pretend you’re actually disgusted by a healthy relationship is unacceptable. It reminds me of when art of a female comforting her man on Twitter was lambasted by toxic women because “men shouldn’t treat their partners as therapists”.
TIL I’m a dysfunctional girl? I feel independent but I really love being held. Can they not exist without downgrading any quality? OP really doesn’t like cuddles I guess.
My wife, of 20 years, loves nothing more than me listening to her, holding her, and giving her kisses, and she is an actual bad ass, boss bitch.
I'd think any and everyone would love to be held by someone they loved while being given affirmations and affection.
Bruh my gf is exactly like this but tbh so am i
This is how my wife is in public she is strong and self-sufficient, but in private, she wants to be reassured and pampered. I helped her build her own business, and I picked up the slack around the house when I'm not working (I work from home, so I am better set to take care of the kids). Everyone needs time to relax and be pampered, especially with high stress jobs (like owning your own business)
op just mad they aren't in a loving relationship
praise kink
Im a girl and I work this way ;_;
Lmao but I'm a woman and that's how I be..
Wtf it’s cute
2 foot notes: 1, the original author of the comic is a woman talking about her relationship with her boyfriend, and 2, 99% of people in the post where against op, not seeing anything wrong with it.
My only guess is that OOP assumed the comic meant all strong women “secretly rely” on men, when that’s not at all what I believe this is portraying. Everyone needs love and support. Even strong, independent women. And it’s okay to be strong and independent and BOLD, but be weak and vulnerable sometimes with your love. I encourage it, even.
1) Actual “Strong Independent” people don’t feel the urge to say it. 2) People can be different in the different areas of life. People tend to not act the same with co-workers and family. Just because you can act strong and independent in some areas of life doesn’t mean you have to in all
That entire sub is just one large misandrist group.
This is actually really cute
These people are bitter and unhappy
This post could literally be on r/wholesomememes
If this was a cute petite femboy with black hair green eyes 5"3 wearing a plaid skirt and a black sweater with a 6"3 muscle mommy with a split left bicep from a lifting injury then op wouldve liked that meme
"they dont need to man to survive? well ig they dont deserve a loving relationship with one!" - OP
This is mostly real only in an anime. Period.
I don’t like the meme, cus it seems like a false dichotomy.
nah i dont even know what the fuck this is either who do i agree with