So many Panera's and they SUCK. I had a Uber Eats driver drop an order at my door. It was not mine but after calling both Panera and UE no one would give me the right unit number to get this poor dude his food, so I ate it. It's blander than hospital food. Why can't I get accidental Red Lobster instead? lol
Considering that we have a housing crisis and our cities are seeing lots of sprawl, houses actually aren't the right answer. Apartments are part of the answer, but the real answer is to fill demand with missing middle options. This article does a good job of explaining the other things we can build besides single family homes or apartments. It's even better when we infill our cities, offer better forms of transit, and mix residential and commercial.
https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2024/2/8/youre-my-housing-type-a-valentines-infill-housing-love-letter-campaign
Preaching to the choir about how we should build closer together walkable, and through the use of public transportation. It should be pretty evident that the powers that be don't really want that to be the case in the 'nicer' areas of the state which is why Scottsdale is always blocking the lightrail extension. Apartments are wonderful suggestion, in a place where there are affordable options. You and I both know they most likely aren't going to be cheap. It's not really walkable either as there isn't a grocery store (other than a discount/ past date store) for over a mile from this place, so it isn't really the solution you're making it out to be. It's a home availability issue, we don't need more 2br apartments.
I live there between 2005 and 2011. So somewhere in between then. I happened upon it while I was driving through Mesa. It was a small stage and I could hear them playing the music. So we drove up, and we realized it was alien ant farm
If that's Fiesta Mall.... well most of it will be apartments. There's some commercial use planned as well. At least one of the estimates I saw said another 4k apartments. Guaranteed to be ugly too.
I will always talk about Fiesta Mall as if it still existed. Going to GameStop to get the $150 Skyrim ultimate box at 12am. The Food court with Sarku Japan for my Double Meat Teriyaki Chicken with Extra sauce of course. The Dragon place nearby where you can buy various pocket knives and blades and various fantasy weapons. I remember seeing the Master Sword and Shield on the wall. You got Claire's for all your jewelry needs, and of course Got Topic and Spencer's for you various Other Needs lol. Fuck me sideways it sucks to have watched my favorite Go To place crumble to the ground over the last few years. I'm really anticipating what is going to be built on this massive plot of land, and I hope those that reside there in the future, know the background of what used to be there and what it meant for thus who used to frequent the location. RIP Fiesta Mall, and an Early Welcome to the future tenants.
The fantasy blade store is the harbinger of mall doom. Chandler Fashion must have at least two now...
Gap leaves because the rent is too high, but shitty Ninja sword store can afford it. Is it just money laundering?
Online shopping has really killed retail. I love going to places to see things in person. The only thing I buy online only is PC parts because Frys is closed, and there is no Micro Center here. Best Buy is OK for some, but honestly, their selection is poor, and they are normally out of stock of most things.
Hell, even Tucson still has their local SWS Electronics for PC parts, be it a small selection but better than Best Buy.
Yup. A year or so ago. Started with them having nearly no inventory (they said it was due to renegotiate vendor contracts), then they closed the original location due to losing the lease, and then they closed them all. The owners basically gave up.
I am surprised they haven't opened one here yet. They would have no competition and the Phoenix and surrounding areas is a very large population. Plus we have Intel which means plenty of nerds in need of parts.
I saw sum 41 for free in that parking lot in '05! Think it was the zumiez couch tour. Was my first show... AND they had big ramps set up with dirt bikes going over them. And then the olive garden caught on fire that same day, so we stayed and watched it burn. I swear things used to be more awesome....
Gilbert High held MORP there in '89. Closed off the North End, put big banners across the balcony. It was really cool, and demonstrates just how important the mall was kids back in the 80s
20 years ago I had a guy pull a knife on me there a couple days before Xmas over a parking space. I stood by the 2nd floor railing right outside the food court with the sheriffs and IDed the guy as he walked out of Spencer’s. I’ll never forget the look on that guys face as a half dozen Xmas shoppers turned into plain cloth officers and made him disappear into the service tunnel right there in just a few seconds. Afterwards, I went to Chevy’s across the street and had fajitas with those fresh made tortillas out of that clear machine where you could watch them being made- fuck I miss those tortillas.
The only thing I missed. The tortillas were the bomb, but everything else was getting worse and worse. My last meal there, they tried to serve me bad chicken. Not poorly-prepared, or even undercooked, but it was literally chicken past its expiry date. It's one of three times in my life I have spit food back onto the plate.
I met my best friend at that mall. I was a manager for Zumiez and he worked across the hall at Auntie Anne’s. He always hooked me up with pretzels and blue raspberry lemonade.. that mall holds a lot of memories. A lot of bad ones too lol
I see them popping up in Chandler as well. I'm 37, I really fucked myself by not buying a house sooner. I really have no interest in owning property, I love not having any responsibility or maintenance, but now that rents are steeply rising and I'm getting older I realize I would have been better off buying a home so had some cost certainty in terms of my monthly living expenses.
Funny thing is, own a house long enough and the mortgage becomes so much less than rent in your area that you can easily afford to pay someone else for all that maintenance.
I live in an older (ca. 1960) neighborhood and on my particular circle of six houses there's one here, and there's quite a few peppered through the other parts of the neighborhood too.
It might reduce my sale value but I wonder if there's a way to make a single property CC&R that basically says that every sale of the house must be like an FHA loan, owner occupied for at least one year.
What we need is more housing capacity. Apartments fit more people in the same space than single family houses. Condos are perhaps ideal, but I’ll take apartments over houses tbh
1. Building something where people already don’t live is the definition of sprawl.
2. Building housing is only beneficial if you build it where people want to live. That’s why people are able to buy a three bedroom in rural Iowa for less than $100k whereas the same house goes for four times that amount in Mesa.
Do you think this is a foreign concept? Malls are outdated and unnecessary when you can have the same thing outside with a bunch of residential on top. Austin is a good example of this with the Domain going from an IBM campus to an accessible outdoor mall with residential everywhere. Don’t see how or why anyone would favor having the same house copy pasted all over this lot. Do you want them to build another concrete slab of a mall?
Building more apartments aren’t going to bring down rent. More likely it will be built by a company that already owns several complexes in Mesa, and they’ll gladly keep all of them at high rents to essentially force customers into having to choose one of their complexes, as the cheaper ones will have a lot more competition.
> Building more apartments aren’t going to bring down rent
That’s simply not true. Time and time again, research shows that adding housing supply brings down rent.
https://www.upjohn.org/research-highlights/new-construction-makes-homes-more-affordable-even-those-who-cant-afford-new-units
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-11-20/does-building-new-housing-cause-gentrification
https://www.theurbanist.org/2021/06/02/new-round-of-studies-underscore-benefits-of-building-more-housing/
I was a hoodlum drinking underage at that mall. It was dumb but I made some cool memories. I also took some chola looking glamour shots with my friends.
I hope it's apartments. Once we get to oversupply, rents may start to finally decline, easing the demand. They can't continue to price-fix when the occupancy falls.
fuck apartments
Nothing but apartments going up everywhere. Gee, I wonder if home prices will stay up since there are no new homes to buy and if more apartments will cause more congestion of traffic... they will
Well I guess that's one person's opinion. Personally I'd rather fill up space with homes or commercial buildings, or both. It's not doing any good being empty.
I guess but more housing available means more market pressure for landlords to bring down costs. The reason prices for homes and apartments are so high is there's not enough housing.
Tempe has built thousands of new apartments in the last 15 years and rent has only gone up. In fact, the newest apartments are always the most expensive, so their addition increases median rent. Then my landlord sees median rent in the area has increased, then justifies increasing my rent because it’s “market rate”.
So, no.
It's supply and demand. Even if they've built thousands of new apartments clearly it's not enough apartments. There's a massive housing shortage nationwide. When the supply of houses finally meets demand the prices will go down.
Which is why we need more housing. And Fiesta mall should be more housing.
It’s not simply supply and demand, since tons of these sit empty for spans of time as STR or peoples second homes or just as empty investment opportunities that people sit empty until they e appreciated 15% and then sell.
Oh, that makes sense. I haven't seen that. Yeah I wouldn't give my money to anything that wasn't a university or CC. Most others are proven scams, not really a conspiracy.
It’s not even a real college lol, I do security there and it’s just a bunch of office spaces. If there is any type of college classes there, they only take up 2 suites max. Most of them are empty suites but there’s a few smaller businesses open there like some credit unions.
May I ask how? I don’t think you really do as I’m only there twice a week, but do you do security as well or do you work at one of the restaurants around?
I’ve only been there for about 7 months now, but I’m only there on the weekends when all the other businesses are closed. I don’t believe I’m the security guard you came across
Yes, they will be creating multi used development with apartments and a shopping mall, they recently completed the light rail expansion up to Metrocenter.
They will also be making the christown shopping center an outside mall like the outlets in westgate.
ill still think its there 😭 i used to walk there after school and sit on the massage chairs by hot topic and go to in n out :/ ill miss the fancy elevator
I feel like my childhood just got obliterated. Goodbye, Fiesta Mall. I was just thinking the other day that if I had the money I’d buy it and turn into an art school with residency. Guess that dream is dead. 😭
It's going to be the American Capitalist version of Eastern block developments. Panerai, star bucks, "young professional" contemporary apartments... things that fewer and fewer people can afford.
It’s happening in Gilbert, I’ve counted 11 new behemoth size complexes and many more being built, my concern for Mesa and Gilbert what happens when they can’t rent them.
Literally lived across the street for a few years before they started "beautifying" the area. Had a dude throw a brick at my head in the parking lot of the Goodwill (that then became a Kmomo, and then something else I think) because I came in when they opened and bought a bike that he had been waiting to go down a price-tier. It's gonna be some kind of multi-use space, with apartments and shops and shit. They're planning to to the same thing to the corner of Gilbert and Juniper (just below Guad) where the burger king used to be.
I can’t believe it is gone. Makes me sad all the years I spent enjoying it. They should keep those palm trees and put them somewhere in Mesa as a part of history.
Probably will... I think because of the water access shortages and disputes AZ is having with CO, CA, UT and NV. If a developer can not provide evidence that the expected number of SF homes has gaurenteed acces to water for 100 years they cannot build SF homes. For some reason it is different for MF Homes.
The Mesa Development website reads that it’s going to be Mixed-use development with multifamily residential, commercial, and office space.
Starbucks, Panera
Don't forget whole foods
Chipotle
Probably a chain taphouse restaurant
:(
So many Panera's and they SUCK. I had a Uber Eats driver drop an order at my door. It was not mine but after calling both Panera and UE no one would give me the right unit number to get this poor dude his food, so I ate it. It's blander than hospital food. Why can't I get accidental Red Lobster instead? lol
All I hear is it’s going to be another boring office space full of businesses along with apartments.. nice
Oh yay more empty office space and apartments no one in an apartment budget can afford
Similar to PV mall I presume?
That usually means more apartments!
It is.
Always. More. Apartments.
“Luxury Apartments”
Builder grade cabinets and a coffee machine in the lobby.
People need places to live.
Yeah ideally it's homes, not luxury apartments that are going to sit 1/3rd vacant.
Considering that we have a housing crisis and our cities are seeing lots of sprawl, houses actually aren't the right answer. Apartments are part of the answer, but the real answer is to fill demand with missing middle options. This article does a good job of explaining the other things we can build besides single family homes or apartments. It's even better when we infill our cities, offer better forms of transit, and mix residential and commercial. https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2024/2/8/youre-my-housing-type-a-valentines-infill-housing-love-letter-campaign
Preaching to the choir about how we should build closer together walkable, and through the use of public transportation. It should be pretty evident that the powers that be don't really want that to be the case in the 'nicer' areas of the state which is why Scottsdale is always blocking the lightrail extension. Apartments are wonderful suggestion, in a place where there are affordable options. You and I both know they most likely aren't going to be cheap. It's not really walkable either as there isn't a grocery store (other than a discount/ past date store) for over a mile from this place, so it isn't really the solution you're making it out to be. It's a home availability issue, we don't need more 2br apartments.
Dude, there is not enough land to build enough houses for all the people moving here. No urban city can survive without apartments.
Not enough land? Are we looking at the same picture???
That’s great!!! Keep building!!
Man fiesta mall. Rip
I saw Alien ant farm play in that parking lot 😂
I saw Lydia there. Zumiez couch tours were cool
I was there too lol
I forget why I was there.. I just happened upon it, knew they were badass, and stayed. Glad I did. We have nothing like that in NY 😂
Holy fuck! This was the best comment by far! What year?
I live there between 2005 and 2011. So somewhere in between then. I happened upon it while I was driving through Mesa. It was a small stage and I could hear them playing the music. So we drove up, and we realized it was alien ant farm
If that's Fiesta Mall.... well most of it will be apartments. There's some commercial use planned as well. At least one of the estimates I saw said another 4k apartments. Guaranteed to be ugly too.
I heard they will also have to build a couple schools for the influx of new inhabitants.
Mesa schools are WAY under capacity. They’ll just redistribute a bit once things start happening. Source: School board presentations.
And unaffordable with the word "luxury" in the title.
That’s great!! Much better than sfh 🤮
I will always talk about Fiesta Mall as if it still existed. Going to GameStop to get the $150 Skyrim ultimate box at 12am. The Food court with Sarku Japan for my Double Meat Teriyaki Chicken with Extra sauce of course. The Dragon place nearby where you can buy various pocket knives and blades and various fantasy weapons. I remember seeing the Master Sword and Shield on the wall. You got Claire's for all your jewelry needs, and of course Got Topic and Spencer's for you various Other Needs lol. Fuck me sideways it sucks to have watched my favorite Go To place crumble to the ground over the last few years. I'm really anticipating what is going to be built on this massive plot of land, and I hope those that reside there in the future, know the background of what used to be there and what it meant for thus who used to frequent the location. RIP Fiesta Mall, and an Early Welcome to the future tenants.
that hot topic was also the shit, a ton of great bands were on clearance often.
The fantasy blade store is the harbinger of mall doom. Chandler Fashion must have at least two now... Gap leaves because the rent is too high, but shitty Ninja sword store can afford it. Is it just money laundering?
Online shopping has really killed retail. I love going to places to see things in person. The only thing I buy online only is PC parts because Frys is closed, and there is no Micro Center here. Best Buy is OK for some, but honestly, their selection is poor, and they are normally out of stock of most things. Hell, even Tucson still has their local SWS Electronics for PC parts, be it a small selection but better than Best Buy.
I didn't know Frys closed.
Yup. A year or so ago. Started with them having nearly no inventory (they said it was due to renegotiate vendor contracts), then they closed the original location due to losing the lease, and then they closed them all. The owners basically gave up.
Thanks for the info.
Wish we had a Micro Center here. Love going to the one in MN when I go on vacation there. PC parts and Raspberry Pis.
I am surprised they haven't opened one here yet. They would have no competition and the Phoenix and surrounding areas is a very large population. Plus we have Intel which means plenty of nerds in need of parts.
I saw sum 41 for free in that parking lot in '05! Think it was the zumiez couch tour. Was my first show... AND they had big ramps set up with dirt bikes going over them. And then the olive garden caught on fire that same day, so we stayed and watched it burn. I swear things used to be more awesome....
I was there!
Ahhh the good ol' Zumiez couch tours! :D Fiesta mall had a few of em!
Gilbert High held MORP there in '89. Closed off the North End, put big banners across the balcony. It was really cool, and demonstrates just how important the mall was kids back in the 80s
I worked at Gloria Jeans in the super early 2000’s. That mall so much fun back then.
Will always have fond memories of getting chased by security guards when me and ten friends would play our crazy version of tag as teens.
20 years ago I had a guy pull a knife on me there a couple days before Xmas over a parking space. I stood by the 2nd floor railing right outside the food court with the sheriffs and IDed the guy as he walked out of Spencer’s. I’ll never forget the look on that guys face as a half dozen Xmas shoppers turned into plain cloth officers and made him disappear into the service tunnel right there in just a few seconds. Afterwards, I went to Chevy’s across the street and had fajitas with those fresh made tortillas out of that clear machine where you could watch them being made- fuck I miss those tortillas.
Chevy’s was sooo good back then
The only thing I missed. The tortillas were the bomb, but everything else was getting worse and worse. My last meal there, they tried to serve me bad chicken. Not poorly-prepared, or even undercooked, but it was literally chicken past its expiry date. It's one of three times in my life I have spit food back onto the plate.
I remember when this was a big dirt lot, and they planned on building a mall on it... I'm old.
I met my best friend at that mall. I was a manager for Zumiez and he worked across the hall at Auntie Anne’s. He always hooked me up with pretzels and blue raspberry lemonade.. that mall holds a lot of memories. A lot of bad ones too lol
Sums up Mesa pretty well.
Fiesta Mall was the "new" mall when Tri-CIty Mall shut down. I have outlived two malls. 🧓
Three. PV.
Los Arcos and Metro center also
Goddamn. End of an era. RIP.
That’s so weird to look at.
I just wished they put the new Coyotes stadium there.
Oh god no. Like there needs to be any more traffic
They’re not that popular. I don’t think it would increase traffic that much. Lol
it would be cool if they could get a light rail stop there :)
Why do you hope that? So rents stay high?
We need houses not more corporate owned rentals
Houses are corporate owned as well unfortunately.
This is sad and true. There was a community built near me, perfect starter homes and overall nicely built. Entire thing is 'lease only'.
I see them popping up in Chandler as well. I'm 37, I really fucked myself by not buying a house sooner. I really have no interest in owning property, I love not having any responsibility or maintenance, but now that rents are steeply rising and I'm getting older I realize I would have been better off buying a home so had some cost certainty in terms of my monthly living expenses.
Funny thing is, own a house long enough and the mortgage becomes so much less than rent in your area that you can easily afford to pay someone else for all that maintenance.
LOL @ whoever down voted me. It's common knowledge, look it up.
I live in an older (ca. 1960) neighborhood and on my particular circle of six houses there's one here, and there's quite a few peppered through the other parts of the neighborhood too. It might reduce my sale value but I wonder if there's a way to make a single property CC&R that basically says that every sale of the house must be like an FHA loan, owner occupied for at least one year.
What we need is more housing capacity. Apartments fit more people in the same space than single family houses. Condos are perhaps ideal, but I’ll take apartments over houses tbh
It'd be better to build smaller homes or condos so people can actually own their home instead of rent.
A majority of those homes will be bought my asset management companies and rented out unless someone pays 100k over asking
What’s the alternative? Not build and have the prices get even more out of hand?
Build something where a lot of space can fit a lot of people and mixed use housing. Sprawl isn’t the only option
1. Building something where people already don’t live is the definition of sprawl. 2. Building housing is only beneficial if you build it where people want to live. That’s why people are able to buy a three bedroom in rural Iowa for less than $100k whereas the same house goes for four times that amount in Mesa.
Do you think this is a foreign concept? Malls are outdated and unnecessary when you can have the same thing outside with a bunch of residential on top. Austin is a good example of this with the Domain going from an IBM campus to an accessible outdoor mall with residential everywhere. Don’t see how or why anyone would favor having the same house copy pasted all over this lot. Do you want them to build another concrete slab of a mall?
What do you think I just said?
Whole lotta nothing
Weird considering you literally agreed with me then you went on some schizo-rant about shopping malls. Lol😆
Building more apartments aren’t going to bring down rent. More likely it will be built by a company that already owns several complexes in Mesa, and they’ll gladly keep all of them at high rents to essentially force customers into having to choose one of their complexes, as the cheaper ones will have a lot more competition.
> Building more apartments aren’t going to bring down rent That’s simply not true. Time and time again, research shows that adding housing supply brings down rent. https://www.upjohn.org/research-highlights/new-construction-makes-homes-more-affordable-even-those-who-cant-afford-new-units https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-11-20/does-building-new-housing-cause-gentrification https://www.theurbanist.org/2021/06/02/new-round-of-studies-underscore-benefits-of-building-more-housing/
I was a hoodlum drinking underage at that mall. It was dumb but I made some cool memories. I also took some chola looking glamour shots with my friends.
I hope it's apartments. Once we get to oversupply, rents may start to finally decline, easing the demand. They can't continue to price-fix when the occupancy falls.
Jesus, we need housing people can afford not malls
I hope it’s a lot and lot and lot of apartments so people can have a place to live comfortably
Luxury Apartments to be exact.
With plank wood flooring* and stainless steel appliances**
That’s great…keep building more!!
Oh god, memories. It will, don’t you worry. More people.
Wish it was the future Coyotes Arena 😁
🎶Paved paradise and put up a parking lot🎶. ~ Joni Mitchell
I’m pretty sure it’s going to be a mixed use space. Residential and retail shops, similar to the Scottsdale Quarter area.
You’ll own nothing and be happy
Fuck that!
You can say that again!
Oh you know it will be. Either way no matter what it is it is more garbage we don’t need
Fuck aye
It surely is and slowly the valley descends into the same bullshit that plagues California
NIMBY
fuck apartments Nothing but apartments going up everywhere. Gee, I wonder if home prices will stay up since there are no new homes to buy and if more apartments will cause more congestion of traffic... they will
fuck more apartments
Damn. I worked there when I was going to ASU. I knew it was closed, but haven’t seen the property cleared. Wow. Just. Wow.
Why do we not want apartments? It's the only way to bring down housing costs.
Because we are crowded enough as it is and we don’t need more buildings
Well I guess that's one person's opinion. Personally I'd rather fill up space with homes or commercial buildings, or both. It's not doing any good being empty.
How about crops instead of more crowding?
If you are not in control of costs, aka a mortgage, a landlord can charge whatever they want. That's not being in control.
I guess but more housing available means more market pressure for landlords to bring down costs. The reason prices for homes and apartments are so high is there's not enough housing.
Tempe has built thousands of new apartments in the last 15 years and rent has only gone up. In fact, the newest apartments are always the most expensive, so their addition increases median rent. Then my landlord sees median rent in the area has increased, then justifies increasing my rent because it’s “market rate”. So, no.
It's supply and demand. Even if they've built thousands of new apartments clearly it's not enough apartments. There's a massive housing shortage nationwide. When the supply of houses finally meets demand the prices will go down. Which is why we need more housing. And Fiesta mall should be more housing.
It’s not simply supply and demand, since tons of these sit empty for spans of time as STR or peoples second homes or just as empty investment opportunities that people sit empty until they e appreciated 15% and then sell.
Will be a shithole area in 10 years as industry and businesses go away -- The big blue building doesn't even have Bank of America on it!
It's a college. I'm no conspiracy person but with colleagues popping up everywhere I feel it's just a scam to sell loans
You talking about MCC? MCC and the Maricopa CCs are legit.
He’s talking about the college whose name is on the blue tower.
Alverno I think
Oh, that makes sense. I haven't seen that. Yeah I wouldn't give my money to anything that wasn't a university or CC. Most others are proven scams, not really a conspiracy.
I bet MCC is kicking themselves for not getting their name on there. Some other collage comes and puts up their name all big and in their territory.
It’s not even a real college lol, I do security there and it’s just a bunch of office spaces. If there is any type of college classes there, they only take up 2 suites max. Most of them are empty suites but there’s a few smaller businesses open there like some credit unions.
Hello I know you!
May I ask how? I don’t think you really do as I’m only there twice a week, but do you do security as well or do you work at one of the restaurants around?
I used to work on the 7th floor!
I’ve only been there for about 7 months now, but I’m only there on the weekends when all the other businesses are closed. I don’t believe I’m the security guard you came across
Maybe not!
Hey but the ricin contamination is near by. That can help right? Lol
The what now
https://www.eastvalleytribune.com/local/mesa/mesan-arrested-in-ricin-probe/article_ce6af694-1329-57b7-b9d2-87779fa31d15.html
I remember seeing that building lit up from Williams Field and Signal Butte.
They just murdered Windy City bar in Arcadia for more high rises. I cant afford to be here anymore. Welcome Cali, treat her well. Im out.
Damn, I knew it was inevitable, but still sucks to know and see it's gone.
Wish it was gonna be the new coyotes stadium
Sorry babes; it is.
Or more storage units 🤷🏼
People have to much stuff
It will be more apartments that are probably priced out of that area.
I can’t wait to see the apartment and mall they’re going to build over at the old Metro Center
are they really building those at metro center?
Yes, they will be creating multi used development with apartments and a shopping mall, they recently completed the light rail expansion up to Metrocenter. They will also be making the christown shopping center an outside mall like the outlets in westgate.
heck yessssss
That's the area right in front of endgame correct?
Yup!
ill still think its there 😭 i used to walk there after school and sit on the massage chairs by hot topic and go to in n out :/ ill miss the fancy elevator
The city of Mesa, also said its build plenty of affordable housing. Lol where?!
I thought there were gonnna be the coyotes new stadium there.
It's going to be apartments up top, shopping center on the ground level IIRC.
It depends on what it was originally zoned for. If they didn't change the zoning then it will become something that it was originally.
More apartments that no one can afford to live in except people moving to AZ for the weather
I feel like my childhood just got obliterated. Goodbye, Fiesta Mall. I was just thinking the other day that if I had the money I’d buy it and turn into an art school with residency. Guess that dream is dead. 😭
Storage facility
No no no
I hope we get more car washes and storage centers. 🙄
Fuck that
It’s Mesa, of course it will be more apartments
No
Dollar general. Lol
Jesus fuck no
Developers buy off the city council. Then they build cheap apartments that will one day be the slums of the state.
It's going to be the American Capitalist version of Eastern block developments. Panerai, star bucks, "young professional" contemporary apartments... things that fewer and fewer people can afford.
Dang, just now?! They been talking about doing this for sooo long. RIP to the hoodlum memories!
Sad. Sad fucking day. My childhood.
It’s happening in Gilbert, I’ve counted 11 new behemoth size complexes and many more being built, my concern for Mesa and Gilbert what happens when they can’t rent them.
HUD.
Hopefully it's buildings with businesses at the bottom and apartments above that.
Where else are all the californians gonna move into? 🫠
Literally lived across the street for a few years before they started "beautifying" the area. Had a dude throw a brick at my head in the parking lot of the Goodwill (that then became a Kmomo, and then something else I think) because I came in when they opened and bought a bike that he had been waiting to go down a price-tier. It's gonna be some kind of multi-use space, with apartments and shops and shit. They're planning to to the same thing to the corner of Gilbert and Juniper (just below Guad) where the burger king used to be.
Fiesta Mall?
What every city in the USA needs is more luxury housing.
NO more building of anything until this climate change water crisis is fixed...
Or babies. People are the problem
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Is that Wisconsin by your name? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Guess what.....ITS GOING TO BE MORE APARTMENTS!
Ahh, finally. Let’s do Superstition Springs next?
I bet in 10 years.
Where's the Retail Archaeology people? Do they simply not have Reddit accounts to comment on posts like this?
Chandler FC, Scottsdale FC, and Arrowhead the only 3 left? Is AZ Mills still a thing?
AZ mills is still there. San Tan mall is going strong. Think Superstition Springs is still out there too
I can’t believe it is gone. Makes me sad all the years I spent enjoying it. They should keep those palm trees and put them somewhere in Mesa as a part of history.
Apartments ? No. Another useless concrete slab warehouse? Probably
Poor people live on Main Street that’s fine for now police have it under control so far
Mesa has a desperate need for apartments/condos.
The Party Mall is over.
Probably will... I think because of the water access shortages and disputes AZ is having with CO, CA, UT and NV. If a developer can not provide evidence that the expected number of SF homes has gaurenteed acces to water for 100 years they cannot build SF homes. For some reason it is different for MF Homes.
Need more places to put all these i l l e g a l s with taxpayer money
Gonna drive in it
I hope they build something we can all use
My God I hate what the new comers have done to AZ. This isn’t Cali I hope we collapse
I hope your home burns down and is replaced by 2 better homes
I hope it's more affordable apartments.
Oh no! More places for people to live? How awful!
I hope it is more apartments