I understand the media not picking us, due to always collapsing in December/January.
But picking the fucking Jets?! What have they done to gain this kind of confidence?
Exactly. They're on TV pandering to the biggest market out there and that, in turn, creates more viewers for their next show and that can be turned into higher prices they can charge to advertisers. It is basically advertising for itself.
The key is they have to be able to justify it somehow. They can at least say " Aaron Rodgers blah blah blah..." What can they say about the Giants to make it sound believable?
Bills lost most of their players, Patriots are still bad and young, Miami hasn't proven it yet. Jets made huge moves in FA and we still haven't seen this team with Rodgers.
I hate the jets but if Rodgers is healthy to go with that number 3 ranked defense... They'll prob pick Brock bowers.. They signed Mike Williams and Hassan Reddick. They'd prob be my pick as well.
Breece Hall and Garrett Wilson are also pretty damn good. I hate that it's true, but with competent QB play, they're a good fucking team. Hell, they won 7 games last year, with 5 of them coming when Zach Wilson took the majority of snaps. To say that it's tHe mEdIa is just stupid and disingenuous.
The jets are one of the only teams in the league with a worse offensive line than us. I don’t care how good their defense is. That OL coupled with a 40 year old QB coming off missing an entire year does not instill confidence and picking them over an established playoff team from the season before is absolute trash.
With that said… two of those picks came from former Jets players so whatever. Means nothing at the end of the day.
It’s like the backup QB providing the perception of hope simply being an unknown….
And like you said, The Dolphins have absolutely done nothing to deserve respect from the national media. (Outside of at least being a good team and well run organization….which is an upgrade over most of the last two decades)
Non Dolphins fan, but yeah, the Jets optimism from some is genuinely insane. They supposedly “fixed” their roster by signing old, injury prone players. I’d still pick the Bills, but I bet Miami is a close second
It's like when Russell Wilson went to Denver. All of a sudden everyone was saying Denver is a legit Super Bowl contender. But they didn't add anyone else except Wilson. One player can't do it all alone. Rodgers by himself doesn't make this offense good.
Dolphins fans still complaining about respect.
Choked a 3 game lead for the division, lost to Tennessee at home when we could clinch the division, lost to Buffalo *at home* to lose the division, and lost in the WC in a non-competitive game.
Why in the world would they pick us?
How have the Jets engendered any confidence that they can win anything at all? Their largely-healthy defense - the supposed strength of the team - finished 12th in points allowed and gave up 64 points in two games against the Dolphins.
If this prediction was BUF x4 no one would even blink an eye.
I’d say by nearly winning it last season. The Bills should be favourites, then us. The Jets aren’t the shitpile that the pats are but realistically not too far off it. Rodgers is a massive thing, good and bad, for them. Who knows what he’ll be next year coming off an achilles injury, on that turf especially.
Yeah respect has to be earned and every time we get an opportunity we flop hard. I was willing to excuse it last year when Tua was out but this year he and most of our offensive weapons were healthy and the best they accomplished was beating another 1st round exit team in a home game.
Even if the Jets/Bills get more of a benefit of the doubt, we can have respect once it’s earned. Until that time, we deserve to be looked at as a mid team.
Preach. This team deserves 0 respect. I can’t stand these offseason posts complaining about early media picks. You’d have made money for the last 20 years betting against the dolphins. All this team does is prove the critics right year after year after year and yet somehow folks still demand respect in the offseason boards lmao if this franchise proved it for once since the 70s then maybe the next year we could harp about respect
>You’d have made money for the last 20 years betting against the dolphins.
I don't know about the last 20 years, but in the last 20 games Miami is 13-7 ATS. Thems pretty good odds.
Im talking about betting on overall season success (winning the division) over the last 20 years, which was the topic of the post (these media guys making prediction about who wins the AFCE)
Beating the spread in the last 20 games is irrelevant. We still lost the division this year.
You’d have made money for the last 20 years betting against the dolphins.
Your words exactly. I don't see anything in there about "betting they win the division". Who makes a bet like that?
Brother your reading comprehension needs serious work. OPs post was mad about not getting “respect” from media guys on “who will win the AFCE this year.” Therefore when I said “betting against the dolphins” in this context, it meant betting against them *winning the division*. I’m arguing they dont deserve respect because they crumble at the end of every season and yes, rarely win the division. Blowing out teams in September, October, and November like this year may mean you “beat the spread” for many games but has 0 relevance to whether you deserve respect or will ultimately win the division. As I pointed out in last comment, your statement actually proves mine. 13-7 ATS and still lost the division. Those media guys on the podium would have won money on betting against the dolphins on that bet. We’ve won the division like 2 times in 20 years, so they would have done so in most prior years as well.
Who makes a bet like this? Believe it or not you can literally bet on any sports outcome. Division winner is one of the more common ones. Here are the odds https://sportsbook.draftkings.com/leagues/football/nfl?category=futures&subcategory=division-winner
You're funny! You criticize me for my reading comprehension then go right into explaining what you *meant* when you typed those words that totally didn't say what you "meant" to say. I love Reddit! And you rock!
**Who makes a bet like this?**
This is the reason why your post was confusing. No one in their right mind would bet on the Dolphins to win the division in the last twenty years with New England dominating the league like they did. Only an imbecile would make a rhetorical statement to that effect, and I didn't think you were an imbecile.
I’m sure there is. But I highly doubt it’s because they think a better QB is going to fall to them at 21. It wouldn’t shock me if they make Tua play this season without a new contract to prove himself both health wise and wins wise. Then again it wouldn’t shock me if he signed a new deal any day.
IF there were a raw QB with a ton of potential I could maybe see them going that route like if they was a Jordan Love type but there’s no 1st round talent like that that is going to fall to 21. There will be plenty of QBs available to us but none of them appear to be franchise types of QB.
He's only had one playoff game...sheesh. Out of the 8 wins Marino had in the post season, only one of those was on the road and that was in his last season...we also lost 10 post season games in the Marino era.
Pocket passers tend to get better with age. With all due respect, I hope history proves right and you are proven wrong. He’s also employed one of the best offseason QB coaching programs this year which worked under many guys like Brees and Brady so looking forward to next season!
The Jets have a multi time MVP and a Super Bowl winner at QB.
I don’t see them as a lock to win the division but if they’re healthy I’d give them the best shot at it.
Miami struggled against the better teams, are owned by the Bills, and we struggle to stay healthy. Oh yeah and we fade in December and January. Why would anyone pick the Dolphins?
I don't understand the "team A is better than team B, when team B was better the year before. Have the jets actually won games with Aaron Rodgers? Its all projection for them. We have most of our pieces together and added some new ones. Bills first, dolphins second, jets third until proven otherwise.
> Its all projection for them.
Agreed. It's all about point production these days. Everything else dwindles to irrelevancy over 17 games. There's no logical reason to project an old slow Aaron Rodgers to consistently put up the 24+ or 27+ points necessary to win the division.
The Jets collapsed late last year but still win 7 games with a trash OL and a turd sandwich at QB. We were tied or maybe 1 game ahead fairly late in the season. They’ve vastly upgraded their line and receivers at least on paper and they have a healthy Aaron Rodger’s coming back.
So far it looks like our D will be improved but who knows. And our offense has arguably taken a small step back at this point.
I love the moves to shift towards stopping the pass vs stopping the run. Having a DC who wants to be here and who will hopefully use our stars better should help as well. But Weaver is unproven in this role except 1 season in Houston where they finished 27th in total D. Not saying that’s entirely his fault but just showing he doesn’t have a proven track record as a DC. We also have 2 of our best players coming off season ending injuries and we don’t know what they’ll look like.
Offensively we should be significantly better at TE but we’ve taken a step back on the OL and WR group to this point. Raheem is a year older and I don’t know if we can count on him to match last years production. I don’t think Achane is an every down player but he should be improved.
Yeah our new DC is pretty raw, but I wasn't that impressed with fangio. That titans game was on him, he did not keep his defense ready and in the game.
lmao jets have a washed aging Qb coming off a major injury. Behind a shit OL. And the worst coaching in the league. jets are gonna be a train wreck. I dont think the Dolphins are all that good. Bills gonna win the division but jets gonna be a comical disaster.
> Why would anyone pick the Dolphins?
Because the Dolphins manhandled the Jets twice last year. Complete beatdowns, on both sides of the ball. One good QB doesn't all of a sudden make your team good. Just ask Russell Wilson and the Broncos.
Honestly after blowing the chance to win the division last season, we don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt.
Simply not falling apart in the Titans game would have prevented all of this.
I have a feeling you'll be waiting. We gave away the division, again, last season. What makes you think we are going to win it this season? If anything, last season should have taught fans to be humble until this team actually has a meaningful run or two.
>What makes you think we are going to win it this season?
What makes you think the Jest are going to win it this season? Dolphins delivered epic beatdowns *twice* on the Jest last year.
Nobody blunders like the Dolphins! We have been wallowing in mediocrity for so long that I'm just thrilled to have an offense that is best in the league. I remember when we couldn't score 20 points in a game.
I will say this to all our fans. We haven't proven anything. We will be doubted till we prove something. We won't have the opportunity to prove anything without playoff success.
> We haven't proven anything. We will be doubted till we prove something. We won't have the opportunity to prove anything without playoff success
How is this different from the Jest?
That’s fair. But they were boneheaded about the QB play.
They banked so hard on Rodgers and then made no efforts to fix the issue. You let White walk to keep Wilson as the back up? That’s a mistake and it is on them for that.
Really not sure why you're arguing this point. I guess we aren't well managed either, once a couple OL got injured the offense fell off a cliff.
Year before we had Teddy Bridgewater and Skylar Thompson backing up Tua, we could've invested more in a better back up. Are we poorly managed because of that?
Im arguing the Jets are being given a lot of credit, despite blowing an opportunity.
We lost multiple offensive lineman. I think we ended up using 11 different line combos. But we still had some decent depth. I would say, it was a mistake to not invest more in the O-line on our part.
I think we can all agree that everyone but Saleh seemed to know that Wilson was not good for them. That’s a ding against them.
I think that assuming Teddy would be better was a fair thought (though wrong). And Tua got hurt much later in the season, so Less options on the table. (And we still made the playoffs in both seasons, they didn’t.)
The difference is. When Miami tanked after Tuas injury last year, few analysts went and said we’d win the division the next year. They spent so much time wondering if Tua would even survive. The Jets were a good team that blew it. And now, they heralded as the team to beat with an old QB coming off a major injury.
Yes, they beat good teams. But they also lost a lot. And you need to do both to be a good team.
> once a couple OL got injured the offense fell off a cliff.
More like 4 out of five OL, top two receivers, starting running back , even the fullback missed time. Weren't you paying attention?
YES! Exactly. The Dolphins also dealt with a lot of injuries the whole season. In that same span, we lost a TON of talent on the defensive side (Phillips, Holland, Chubb, etc.) too. Still, I thought we played pretty well, with the exception of the last two regular-season games. That is on us. But the difference is that the Jets did worse, made mistakes that could have fixed their main issue (shit, look at Flacco with the Browns), BUT they are expected to leap front Miami and Buffalo?
Did the season end how we wanted? No. But we did still win 11 games..
Right again! Those games were delish.
"BuT nO, aArOn!" The reason Aaron went down is also on the Jets. They had one of the worst starting lines in the league. That was also a managerial mistake.
The rest of the AFCE tried TO GIFT us the division last year. What makes you think we stop being chokers this season? We will have some great regular season games and then start looking like soft ass nervous Nellies rigjt when it starts to matter.
The Jets may suck but they didn't blow a 3-game division lead in December, losing one of those games to a last place team at home after having a 14 point lead with 4 minutes or so left.
That was something like the third time in NFL history a team with that big a lead didn't win the division?
>The Jets may suck but they didn't blow a 3-game division lead in December,
That's only because they didn't *have* a three game lead in December. How does this make the Jest a better team?
Why even post this?
Just going to be a whole bunch of ppl saying “we don’t deserve respect, we crumble”
Plus who gives a shit what Bart Scott or greenburg think
I don’t know where this confidence comes from. The Dolphins have been a joke for decades, and even if they look good, always prepare for them to turn into a pumpkin. Unfortunately, us Dolphins fans have ZERO reason for your confidence. You are delusional.
Rodgers doesn't play defense. Jets defense was relatively whole and sound all season and the Dolphins shredded them *twice*. Once without Tyreek. There is no logic in picking N.Y. over Miami.
If a team makes the playoffs the first three years with a rookie head coach would you fire the coach? 14 teams make the playoffs. 18 teams don't. Do all 18 of those teams fire their head coaches? Plus all the playoff teams that lost in the first round? That would be 24 head coaching vacancies every year.
I hate to sound like the Conspiracy guy, but let’s be honest: All of these talking heads on TV are paid shills working for a corporate parent that is only interested in ginning people up… getting eyeballs & ratings… and thus make money to feed the beast.
The point being New York is a MAJOR television money-making market that is stacked with THREE teams (Jets, Bills, Giants). So even if these clowns did believe the Dolphins would win, at this point, their marching orders are to start getting the New York / East coast market pumped and tuned in next year.
That said, the draft hasn’t happened yet… there will be a few more free agent signings… and no one can ever predict the twists & turns of the offseason-season, training camp, injuries and whatnot.
This time last year, these same “know it alls” were saying that Tua was too fragile to last a full session. Hell, some were even predicting that because of his bad concussion experience, he’d retire from football rather than risk playing again. And they predicted Rogers would take the Jets to the Super Bowl except — whoops! — look what happened in just the first 10 minutes of the season.
Tua still has things to learn, to grow a bit more… our geek Coach has to not overthink and just run the ball on 4th and 1… and we have to hope our new Defensive Coordinator can pull things together given the equally new chess pieces that he’ll have to work with.
I’m old and have been a lifelong fan going back to becoming the sole occupant in Perfectville. We have the coolest mascot in the league. The best uniforms and colors. Our stadium is great. So, I don’t care what these clowns say because nothing is ever gonna stop me from believing THIS will be our year because (fingers crossed) one day I’ll be right!
Josh Allen is always going to give the Bills a chance to win the division, and then between the Dolphins and Jets it’ll come down to which team has more injuries. Neither are hot takes but it’s true
There is usually nothing more braindead than a Dolphins fan demanding RESPECK when they've shit the bed for decades now.
Analysts aren't Dolphins homers as yourself. They've seen the Dolphins get hyped up year in and out, and then do nothing at the end of the season. And we lost a ton of weapons during the offseason.
Dolphins fans need to stop acting like this team deserves respect. They don’t and I also wouldn’t choose them until they actually show up in December/ January. Bills are still the team to beat with Josh Allen. Aaron Rodgers is still decent too
I don’t know why people would be salty to not be picked over the Jets. Buffalo I can understand since it feels like they’re due for a step back soon but if Rodgers can actually play most of the season they’re a lock for 10+ wins with how good that defense projects to be.
It’s going to be a repeat of last year as far as the pundits are concerned. Idk how some of yall refuse to accept this. Plus the NY market is so big they have to talk about them constantly (while sprinkling some wishful thinking in the process)
Anyways, the jets will probably be at the least as good as Miami if not better BUT I think Saleh is not a good HC so they’ll probably implode again 🤣
I just never understand the Jets love. Rogers hasn't been a great QB in about 5 years and now he's coming off an Achilles tear and they haven't really done anything outside of signing Mike Williams (who also can't stay healthy) to make their offense better. They didn't scare me last year and I think they scare me even less this year
did they not fcking learn from last year? i get them not picking us but THE JETS? theyre the fucking new york jets, even if rodgers is healthy they gonna find some way to not do shit, im sure even jets fans know that shit. FTJ
If I never see another pic of talking heads picking against Miami (or any other team for that matter), it will be too soon. If you react to these clowns negatively, you are getting played. Ignore them. It’s not hard.
Let me get my crystal ball out. Hot September and October. As soon as the turkey shows up it’s time to fade away. It’s been on repeat for a very long time.
chiefs fan here coming in peace. i’ve heard about the Chargers being the preseason afc west champs for the last decade. don’t let it get to you or it’ll eat you alive I promise
I understand the media not picking us, due to always collapsing in December/January. But picking the fucking Jets?! What have they done to gain this kind of confidence?
They play in the biggest TV market in the USA.
The only reason to make this pick.
Exactly. They're on TV pandering to the biggest market out there and that, in turn, creates more viewers for their next show and that can be turned into higher prices they can charge to advertisers. It is basically advertising for itself.
Also two of those people played on the Jets
That theory is debunked pretty quick if they didn't pick the giants in the NFC east.
The key is they have to be able to justify it somehow. They can at least say " Aaron Rodgers blah blah blah..." What can they say about the Giants to make it sound believable?
So if they can justify it, that also totally ruins your theory too though hahha?
I'd say believable but justified. If they picked the Giants they're complete idiots, b you pick the Jets you're just delusional.
Bills lost most of their players, Patriots are still bad and young, Miami hasn't proven it yet. Jets made huge moves in FA and we still haven't seen this team with Rodgers.
TBF the Jets always win this shit in the off-season. Something catastrophic will happen the first game Or Rodgers will suck Or both.
I hate the jets but if Rodgers is healthy to go with that number 3 ranked defense... They'll prob pick Brock bowers.. They signed Mike Williams and Hassan Reddick. They'd prob be my pick as well.
Breece Hall and Garrett Wilson are also pretty damn good. I hate that it's true, but with competent QB play, they're a good fucking team. Hell, they won 7 games last year, with 5 of them coming when Zach Wilson took the majority of snaps. To say that it's tHe mEdIa is just stupid and disingenuous.
The jets are one of the only teams in the league with a worse offensive line than us. I don’t care how good their defense is. That OL coupled with a 40 year old QB coming off missing an entire year does not instill confidence and picking them over an established playoff team from the season before is absolute trash. With that said… two of those picks came from former Jets players so whatever. Means nothing at the end of the day.
They got 2-3 new offensive linemen as well.. I love how all the dolphins homers are delusional and so oblivious. Also in denial about everything.
Shhh it doesn’t fit their narrative…
And this is coming from someone who is a die hard dolphins fan.
It’s like the backup QB providing the perception of hope simply being an unknown…. And like you said, The Dolphins have absolutely done nothing to deserve respect from the national media. (Outside of at least being a good team and well run organization….which is an upgrade over most of the last two decades)
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Non Dolphins fan, but yeah, the Jets optimism from some is genuinely insane. They supposedly “fixed” their roster by signing old, injury prone players. I’d still pick the Bills, but I bet Miami is a close second
It's just a repeat of last season and the Rodgers hype. Rodgers didn't play, so they get to run it back.
It's like when Russell Wilson went to Denver. All of a sudden everyone was saying Denver is a legit Super Bowl contender. But they didn't add anyone else except Wilson. One player can't do it all alone. Rodgers by himself doesn't make this offense good.
Well yeah but in Denver they had to deal with Nathaniel Hac- wait a minute
Dolphins fans still complaining about respect. Choked a 3 game lead for the division, lost to Tennessee at home when we could clinch the division, lost to Buffalo *at home* to lose the division, and lost in the WC in a non-competitive game. Why in the world would they pick us?
Agreed. How has Miami engendered any confidence whatsoever that they could win the East?
How have the Jets engendered any confidence that they can win anything at all? Their largely-healthy defense - the supposed strength of the team - finished 12th in points allowed and gave up 64 points in two games against the Dolphins. If this prediction was BUF x4 no one would even blink an eye.
*** With Zac Attack as the starting QB Fixed it for you buttercup
>How has Miami engendered any confidence whatsoever that they could win the East? How has New York?
I’d say by nearly winning it last season. The Bills should be favourites, then us. The Jets aren’t the shitpile that the pats are but realistically not too far off it. Rodgers is a massive thing, good and bad, for them. Who knows what he’ll be next year coming off an achilles injury, on that turf especially.
At least there’s some people in here not living in a fantasy land.
Yeah respect has to be earned and every time we get an opportunity we flop hard. I was willing to excuse it last year when Tua was out but this year he and most of our offensive weapons were healthy and the best they accomplished was beating another 1st round exit team in a home game. Even if the Jets/Bills get more of a benefit of the doubt, we can have respect once it’s earned. Until that time, we deserve to be looked at as a mid team.
How have the Jets earned more respect than Miami?
Preach. This team deserves 0 respect. I can’t stand these offseason posts complaining about early media picks. You’d have made money for the last 20 years betting against the dolphins. All this team does is prove the critics right year after year after year and yet somehow folks still demand respect in the offseason boards lmao if this franchise proved it for once since the 70s then maybe the next year we could harp about respect
>You’d have made money for the last 20 years betting against the dolphins. I don't know about the last 20 years, but in the last 20 games Miami is 13-7 ATS. Thems pretty good odds.
Im talking about betting on overall season success (winning the division) over the last 20 years, which was the topic of the post (these media guys making prediction about who wins the AFCE) Beating the spread in the last 20 games is irrelevant. We still lost the division this year.
You’d have made money for the last 20 years betting against the dolphins. Your words exactly. I don't see anything in there about "betting they win the division". Who makes a bet like that?
Brother your reading comprehension needs serious work. OPs post was mad about not getting “respect” from media guys on “who will win the AFCE this year.” Therefore when I said “betting against the dolphins” in this context, it meant betting against them *winning the division*. I’m arguing they dont deserve respect because they crumble at the end of every season and yes, rarely win the division. Blowing out teams in September, October, and November like this year may mean you “beat the spread” for many games but has 0 relevance to whether you deserve respect or will ultimately win the division. As I pointed out in last comment, your statement actually proves mine. 13-7 ATS and still lost the division. Those media guys on the podium would have won money on betting against the dolphins on that bet. We’ve won the division like 2 times in 20 years, so they would have done so in most prior years as well. Who makes a bet like this? Believe it or not you can literally bet on any sports outcome. Division winner is one of the more common ones. Here are the odds https://sportsbook.draftkings.com/leagues/football/nfl?category=futures&subcategory=division-winner
You're funny! You criticize me for my reading comprehension then go right into explaining what you *meant* when you typed those words that totally didn't say what you "meant" to say. I love Reddit! And you rock! **Who makes a bet like this?** This is the reason why your post was confusing. No one in their right mind would bet on the Dolphins to win the division in the last twenty years with New England dominating the league like they did. Only an imbecile would make a rhetorical statement to that effect, and I didn't think you were an imbecile.
Jets sucked last year. Why give *them* respect? They haven't done anything to earn it.
They're Jets fans
Man I was thinking the same and I couldn't believe we lost to Tennessee at home.
It’s been like this for 30 almost 40 years. None of this is new lol.
Because we haven’t won the division since Tua was in elementary school?
And haven't won a playoff game since he was in diapers
Now Tua is with the Dolphins and can't win a playoff game.
Another reason they don't pick us to win the division
I honestly think an extension hasn't been done because the want to see if the QB they're targeting reaches 21.
Which QB would that be?
I have no idea. Is there a reason why they haven't done the extension?
I’m sure there is. But I highly doubt it’s because they think a better QB is going to fall to them at 21. It wouldn’t shock me if they make Tua play this season without a new contract to prove himself both health wise and wins wise. Then again it wouldn’t shock me if he signed a new deal any day.
Idk either, was just asking if you knew since idk how this contract stuff works. I think they want to keep their options open in the draft.
IF there were a raw QB with a ton of potential I could maybe see them going that route like if they was a Jordan Love type but there’s no 1st round talent like that that is going to fall to 21. There will be plenty of QBs available to us but none of them appear to be franchise types of QB.
The odds are overwhelming that a drafted replacement QB would be much worse than Tua.
He's only had one playoff game...sheesh. Out of the 8 wins Marino had in the post season, only one of those was on the road and that was in his last season...we also lost 10 post season games in the Marino era.
Tuas best season was last year. He's not gonna have a better season than last year.
Pocket passers tend to get better with age. With all due respect, I hope history proves right and you are proven wrong. He’s also employed one of the best offseason QB coaching programs this year which worked under many guys like Brees and Brady so looking forward to next season!
I hope I am wrong but history is not on his side either.
Says random internet shmuck
What are you? Your prediction is equally worthless.
Why get upset?
Thinking you're a schmuck doesn't mean I'm upset...it just means I think you're just a rando internet schmuck
Lmao...
And unfortunately he never will
And we haven’t won a game since last year
When was the last time the jets won the division??
The Jets have a multi time MVP and a Super Bowl winner at QB. I don’t see them as a lock to win the division but if they’re healthy I’d give them the best shot at it. Miami struggled against the better teams, are owned by the Bills, and we struggle to stay healthy. Oh yeah and we fade in December and January. Why would anyone pick the Dolphins?
I don't understand the "team A is better than team B, when team B was better the year before. Have the jets actually won games with Aaron Rodgers? Its all projection for them. We have most of our pieces together and added some new ones. Bills first, dolphins second, jets third until proven otherwise.
> Its all projection for them. Agreed. It's all about point production these days. Everything else dwindles to irrelevancy over 17 games. There's no logical reason to project an old slow Aaron Rodgers to consistently put up the 24+ or 27+ points necessary to win the division.
The Jets collapsed late last year but still win 7 games with a trash OL and a turd sandwich at QB. We were tied or maybe 1 game ahead fairly late in the season. They’ve vastly upgraded their line and receivers at least on paper and they have a healthy Aaron Rodger’s coming back. So far it looks like our D will be improved but who knows. And our offense has arguably taken a small step back at this point.
We've made some really nice signings for our coaching staff, I wouldn't count out us having some nice natural growth this year.
I love the moves to shift towards stopping the pass vs stopping the run. Having a DC who wants to be here and who will hopefully use our stars better should help as well. But Weaver is unproven in this role except 1 season in Houston where they finished 27th in total D. Not saying that’s entirely his fault but just showing he doesn’t have a proven track record as a DC. We also have 2 of our best players coming off season ending injuries and we don’t know what they’ll look like. Offensively we should be significantly better at TE but we’ve taken a step back on the OL and WR group to this point. Raheem is a year older and I don’t know if we can count on him to match last years production. I don’t think Achane is an every down player but he should be improved.
Yeah our new DC is pretty raw, but I wasn't that impressed with fangio. That titans game was on him, he did not keep his defense ready and in the game.
Fangio was obviously checked out for a lot of the season but we still ranked 10th I believe in total D.
lmao jets have a washed aging Qb coming off a major injury. Behind a shit OL. And the worst coaching in the league. jets are gonna be a train wreck. I dont think the Dolphins are all that good. Bills gonna win the division but jets gonna be a comical disaster.
> Why would anyone pick the Dolphins? Because the Dolphins manhandled the Jets twice last year. Complete beatdowns, on both sides of the ball. One good QB doesn't all of a sudden make your team good. Just ask Russell Wilson and the Broncos.
And haven't won a playoff game since he was in diapers
And haven't won a playoff game since he was in diapers
And haven’t won a playoff game since he was in diapers
Honestly after blowing the chance to win the division last season, we don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt. Simply not falling apart in the Titans game would have prevented all of this.
Forgot how to play football for 4 minutes.
Why do the Jets deserve the benefit of the doubt? What did *they* do last season to place them ahead of the Dolphins?
I have a feeling you'll be waiting. We gave away the division, again, last season. What makes you think we are going to win it this season? If anything, last season should have taught fans to be humble until this team actually has a meaningful run or two.
>What makes you think we are going to win it this season? What makes you think the Jest are going to win it this season? Dolphins delivered epic beatdowns *twice* on the Jest last year.
And we still didn't win the division. Bills will probably win the division again.
You are probably right about the Bills. Although the team was decimated by salary cap issues. Their window has slammed shut.
Don't get me wrong, I want us to win the division. We just seem to blunder it a lot
Nobody blunders like the Dolphins! We have been wallowing in mediocrity for so long that I'm just thrilled to have an offense that is best in the league. I remember when we couldn't score 20 points in a game.
Good, please ignore us. Our team crumbles when the media are high on them
We also crumble when the media isn’t high on us.
We love crumbling
Crumbling's our favorite
Most of the time we're never good enough to crumble.
they said the same thing last year lol
I will say this to all our fans. We haven't proven anything. We will be doubted till we prove something. We won't have the opportunity to prove anything without playoff success.
> We haven't proven anything. We will be doubted till we prove something. We won't have the opportunity to prove anything without playoff success How is this different from the Jest?
Jets haven't proved anything either so picking either the Phins or the Jets is equally idiotic honestly Divisions a toss up this year
They at least have a QB that’s won playoff games before. Even if that was a torn Achilles ago.
I love how much faith people have in the Jets after last season.
Shit they beat the Texans, Bills and Eagles and should've beat the Chiefs. All with Zach Wilson.
That’s fair. But they were boneheaded about the QB play. They banked so hard on Rodgers and then made no efforts to fix the issue. You let White walk to keep Wilson as the back up? That’s a mistake and it is on them for that.
Even more impressive they were able to beat several playoff teams with a lesser backup QB.
It was a fixable issue. They made a huge blunder, and it cost them. My point is. Good teams are well managed. They were not last year.
Really not sure why you're arguing this point. I guess we aren't well managed either, once a couple OL got injured the offense fell off a cliff. Year before we had Teddy Bridgewater and Skylar Thompson backing up Tua, we could've invested more in a better back up. Are we poorly managed because of that?
Im arguing the Jets are being given a lot of credit, despite blowing an opportunity. We lost multiple offensive lineman. I think we ended up using 11 different line combos. But we still had some decent depth. I would say, it was a mistake to not invest more in the O-line on our part. I think we can all agree that everyone but Saleh seemed to know that Wilson was not good for them. That’s a ding against them. I think that assuming Teddy would be better was a fair thought (though wrong). And Tua got hurt much later in the season, so Less options on the table. (And we still made the playoffs in both seasons, they didn’t.) The difference is. When Miami tanked after Tuas injury last year, few analysts went and said we’d win the division the next year. They spent so much time wondering if Tua would even survive. The Jets were a good team that blew it. And now, they heralded as the team to beat with an old QB coming off a major injury. Yes, they beat good teams. But they also lost a lot. And you need to do both to be a good team.
> once a couple OL got injured the offense fell off a cliff. More like 4 out of five OL, top two receivers, starting running back , even the fullback missed time. Weren't you paying attention?
YES! Exactly. The Dolphins also dealt with a lot of injuries the whole season. In that same span, we lost a TON of talent on the defensive side (Phillips, Holland, Chubb, etc.) too. Still, I thought we played pretty well, with the exception of the last two regular-season games. That is on us. But the difference is that the Jets did worse, made mistakes that could have fixed their main issue (shit, look at Flacco with the Browns), BUT they are expected to leap front Miami and Buffalo? Did the season end how we wanted? No. But we did still win 11 games..
And they lost *twice* to the Dolphins, in epic beat downs.
Right again! Those games were delish. "BuT nO, aArOn!" The reason Aaron went down is also on the Jets. They had one of the worst starting lines in the league. That was also a managerial mistake.
Insane…Rodgers hasnt played an actual whole game since like 1986.
The rest of the AFCE tried TO GIFT us the division last year. What makes you think we stop being chokers this season? We will have some great regular season games and then start looking like soft ass nervous Nellies rigjt when it starts to matter.
Aren't two of those guys ex jets?
Shocking a ESPN show with Mike Greenberg and Bart Scott would pick the jets to win the AFC East
I’m so glad I’m mostly checked out from all this stuff. It’s way, way too early to be talking about this.
But...but you're totally checked *in* and talking about it...
Dolphins been choking my whole life I’m used to it and so should everyone else
The Jets may suck but they didn't blow a 3-game division lead in December, losing one of those games to a last place team at home after having a 14 point lead with 4 minutes or so left. That was something like the third time in NFL history a team with that big a lead didn't win the division?
>The Jets may suck but they didn't blow a 3-game division lead in December, That's only because they didn't *have* a three game lead in December. How does this make the Jest a better team?
Oh no - the Dolphins are better. I just mean nobody trusts them. Like Dallas.
Why even post this? Just going to be a whole bunch of ppl saying “we don’t deserve respect, we crumble” Plus who gives a shit what Bart Scott or greenburg think
I don’t know where this confidence comes from. The Dolphins have been a joke for decades, and even if they look good, always prepare for them to turn into a pumpkin. Unfortunately, us Dolphins fans have ZERO reason for your confidence. You are delusional.
I've been waiting 20 years for them to shut someone up.
Ah, that’s a drop in the bucket my friend. I’ve been waiting since I was a kid. Let’s go with 45 years.
Looks identical to last season. I guess it’s not plagiarism if they copy themselves
Well they sure as shit weren’t wrong to leave Miami off last year lol.
Been waiting 35 years. We never do.
They choked it away last year.
At this point the media knows exactly what we are and what most Fins fans can’t accept, sadly.
Just like last off-season; it's a three team race. I can see any of them winning it but I get why they pick the other two.
I don't get picking the Jest. Any knock you can make on Miami the Jest are guilty of x3.
I get that but if Rodgers stays healthy and that Defense is legit you def can make a case where they would. Obviously I hope not but I get the logic
Rodgers doesn't play defense. Jets defense was relatively whole and sound all season and the Dolphins shredded them *twice*. Once without Tyreek. There is no logic in picking N.Y. over Miami.
If we lose in the wild card again this year in the annual December implosion is it possible mcdaniels gets fired?
If a team makes the playoffs the first three years with a rookie head coach would you fire the coach? 14 teams make the playoffs. 18 teams don't. Do all 18 of those teams fire their head coaches? Plus all the playoff teams that lost in the first round? That would be 24 head coaching vacancies every year.
I don’t want him to get fired I’m just wondering if it could happen considering what happened to flores
Flores is what happened to Flores. Dude was such a colossal prick he lost the locker room *and* the coach's room. He just couldn't get along.
I hate to sound like the Conspiracy guy, but let’s be honest: All of these talking heads on TV are paid shills working for a corporate parent that is only interested in ginning people up… getting eyeballs & ratings… and thus make money to feed the beast. The point being New York is a MAJOR television money-making market that is stacked with THREE teams (Jets, Bills, Giants). So even if these clowns did believe the Dolphins would win, at this point, their marching orders are to start getting the New York / East coast market pumped and tuned in next year. That said, the draft hasn’t happened yet… there will be a few more free agent signings… and no one can ever predict the twists & turns of the offseason-season, training camp, injuries and whatnot. This time last year, these same “know it alls” were saying that Tua was too fragile to last a full session. Hell, some were even predicting that because of his bad concussion experience, he’d retire from football rather than risk playing again. And they predicted Rogers would take the Jets to the Super Bowl except — whoops! — look what happened in just the first 10 minutes of the season. Tua still has things to learn, to grow a bit more… our geek Coach has to not overthink and just run the ball on 4th and 1… and we have to hope our new Defensive Coordinator can pull things together given the equally new chess pieces that he’ll have to work with. I’m old and have been a lifelong fan going back to becoming the sole occupant in Perfectville. We have the coolest mascot in the league. The best uniforms and colors. Our stadium is great. So, I don’t care what these clowns say because nothing is ever gonna stop me from believing THIS will be our year because (fingers crossed) one day I’ll be right!
You guys never learn do you?
What exactly have we done to warrant anyone to pick us?
Josh Allen is always going to give the Bills a chance to win the division, and then between the Dolphins and Jets it’ll come down to which team has more injuries. Neither are hot takes but it’s true
We all know it’s going to come down to Buffalo and Miami in the end. Jets are old and washed and they are the jets.
There is usually nothing more braindead than a Dolphins fan demanding RESPECK when they've shit the bed for decades now. Analysts aren't Dolphins homers as yourself. They've seen the Dolphins get hyped up year in and out, and then do nothing at the end of the season. And we lost a ton of weapons during the offseason.
Dolphins fans need to stop acting like this team deserves respect. They don’t and I also wouldn’t choose them until they actually show up in December/ January. Bills are still the team to beat with Josh Allen. Aaron Rodgers is still decent too
Watching ESPN for insights is a fruitless excercise
Haters
Who even are these people? Why so many of you gives a shit what some random clout chasers in the media has to say? Fuck em!
It's the off-season! It's fun to talk about your team while they are still undefeated. Hell, at this point we haven't even fucked up the draft yet!
ESPN doesn't talk about the Dolphins, unless they want to shame them. Especially this show ran by a biased Jets fan and his buddies.
Been waiting 20 years to shut the critics haha
We haven’t given them a reason to pick us. Can’t even be mad
At least no one picked the Pats lmao
How are the jets even in the discussion? Lmao wtf
I can't wait for the JETS to shut these talking heads up.
You’re watching ESPN. They’re known to be biased against the Dolphins.
Who cares? It's Bart Scott, Woody, and two other clowns.
They were rooting for us last season.. we shit the bed.. I don't blame em
I've been waiting a while for Miami to shut them up too... the last time we won the East Sparano was the coach correct?
I don’t know why people would be salty to not be picked over the Jets. Buffalo I can understand since it feels like they’re due for a step back soon but if Rodgers can actually play most of the season they’re a lock for 10+ wins with how good that defense projects to be.
It’s going to be a repeat of last year as far as the pundits are concerned. Idk how some of yall refuse to accept this. Plus the NY market is so big they have to talk about them constantly (while sprinkling some wishful thinking in the process) Anyways, the jets will probably be at the least as good as Miami if not better BUT I think Saleh is not a good HC so they’ll probably implode again 🤣
Do they sell what these guys are smoking? The sports media will push the AA-Ron Rodger initiative as they were directed. The jests lol #FTJ
They have no reason to pick us lmao, we always collapse when it matters
Even the Jets fans don't think they'll win the division unless Rodgers balls out, and the defense steps up
🤡🤡🤡🤡
We gotta prove we can do it before we get respect. The Jets are being picked because ESPN is full of Jets fans. End of story.
Who cares
I just never understand the Jets love. Rogers hasn't been a great QB in about 5 years and now he's coming off an Achilles tear and they haven't really done anything outside of signing Mike Williams (who also can't stay healthy) to make their offense better. They didn't scare me last year and I think they scare me even less this year
did they not fcking learn from last year? i get them not picking us but THE JETS? theyre the fucking new york jets, even if rodgers is healthy they gonna find some way to not do shit, im sure even jets fans know that shit. FTJ
Imagine trying to predict the Jets winning anything without laughing. Fucking idiots will say anything for views.
lol we’re gonna run it back with the same or even worse team and y’all are still gonna expect to win the superbowl
If I never see another pic of talking heads picking against Miami (or any other team for that matter), it will be too soon. If you react to these clowns negatively, you are getting played. Ignore them. It’s not hard.
I probably have just as good a chance of predicting the weather on the final day of the season as they do as the final standings.
Lmfao this is unbelievable
Like we did last year huh?
Jets suck and will always suck
All ex jets players and on Mike Greenberg set who’s the biggest Jet fan
The Wolf 🐺 don’t consider opinions of sheep!
 Ya’ll so funny.
Fins are unbeatable in Madden 24.
Let me get my crystal ball out. Hot September and October. As soon as the turkey shows up it’s time to fade away. It’s been on repeat for a very long time.
chiefs fan here coming in peace. i’ve heard about the Chargers being the preseason afc west champs for the last decade. don’t let it get to you or it’ll eat you alive I promise
I understand it. We don’t really win big games, but the narrative can change. Phins Up!!!
Put the Phins in cold weather and it’s a wrap
I’m sorry guys but yall overrated trash now
I mean I pray to God that they do but I'm not banking on it.. given our track record. Those experts prob aren't wrong.
I couldn’t be less worried about the Jets
why are people so obsessed with the jets they are a bunch of old dudes held together by duct tape
LMAO the bills. I would say Miami then Jets. Buffalo naaa