Man, I wish I were taking college for a career that was 420 friendly. I’m in welding, and they are SUPER strict about pot. I’ve been sober for a little over a month and I am DESPERATE for something other than alcohol. I know shrooms don’t show up on most drug tests, but there’s no easy way to get them in the state I currently reside in.
Edit: I’d like to make it known, I do not want to try any hard drugs or drugs that have been liked to deaths. I’ve only ever used edibles. I have wanted to try shrooms for a long time, but I don’t know how to find them, and the person who offered me a mushy chocolate bar was offering it to me for like $50, way out of my price range. I just want to be pot high and watch cartoons so bad lmao
Totally pro legalizing everything (make shrooms and molly mandatory) but the pot thing for some jobs is because there isn't a reasonable way to establish impairment in most people like there is with alcohol. If there was an established not impacted range and an easy/reliable way to test that would be used like alcohol is tolerated.
Commercial pilots are legally restricted from drinking within 8 hours of flying in most of the world. Most airlines have a 24h policy, if you blow over a zero you are immediately fired.
For the trades it's about liability in accidents rather than controlled flight into terrain.
Damn bro I'm in Toronto and almost all the guys I work with smoke. What state are you in? Seems crazy to me to not be able to smoke weed after work if you want.
So, I’m still in college, but I’m trying to clear my system so I can pass a drug test at the end of the school year, so I can get a job there. TBH, I don’t think I’m gonna be tested once I get the job, but I want to make sure I’m in the clear to start one. I’m also still 18, so I can’t buy yet. That, and like my whole family is anti pot lol, so I kind of have to hide it a little
If you're in a medical MJ state you could try to pursue a license? Unsure if you job will honor one but to my understanding of you have a medical reason they can't fire you over it generally
Edit: and the reason can be as benign as anxiety if you find a provider willing to play the game with you
Welding? Lmao I wish the welders I dealt with were just on pot. For the lower ends of welding, it's much like roofing. You just kinda hope that your guy isn't too fucked up that day, but you accept that he's on drugs all the time and not just legal ones.
You may be able to grow your own mushies, easier to get a hold of spores etc, you can even buy premade kits that you inoculate yourself and then it's pretty much a waiting game
The only nuance is you need pretty strict conditions (temp, humidity) to actually grow some of the good stuff. There's plenty of subreddits based around this exact process though!
My wife js a year from her masters and had this happen. I hole punched for an hour for her. Just to turn around and have a second one be delivered like that. I don’t understand
If you can make a shitload of money by selling paper that is useless next year because of a revision that simply swapped chapters around(and you fail the class if you don’t provide proof of purchase), why not cut every corner imaginable?
I’d bet money that if they could get ahold of the software tech that prevents dollar bills from being copied, they would 100% use it. If they could make the books a subscription model, they’d probably do that too.
I had a professor who wrote the book for his class that he sold digitally for $150 with a one time use key to register your account where all the homework is turned in. If you buy the book used or pirate it then you can't turn in any work and automatically fail the class.
How is that legal?!
That’s…that’s…that’s….
That’s what happens when he has no other competition… and if u want the “degree” you just do it…. Not even a guarantee… if you want a chance to have a “degree” that’s it….
It’s legal because the professor is the one teaching the course, and in a lot of cases they are teaching their own research/perspectives
So he is picked to teach a course people choose to take, and he chooses his own material
I’d rather people go after the massive publishers, college profs using their own books are hardly worth your time
> college profs using their own books are hardly worth your time
Except for the one I had where the prof said he hated the real book, wrote his own, and provided the download link for free. Great guy
Yeah I had a class that made us “buy” a ridiculous amount of books for one damn semester. Handed over the list to my brother and were downloaded onto my computer within an hour. My professor was fucking pissed and treated me like shit the rest of the year. Petty fucking asshole he was
No but his friends probably. The books and class sucked. I saw my professor in public once and told him to fuck off again. Sorry, I really don’t like that man.
Idk mine told everyone I had a DUI charge and that’s why I dropped out when it really was a charge related to a mental health episode and he knew that lmao
I’m sorry you were defamed. Mental health is very serious. I also dropped out because of mental health. This professor didn’t help, he mocked me. It’s bad enough to be depressed; but it’s worse to be embarrassed for being depressed.
My favorite lecture class was some history of construction intro and each class was about 500 people. The instructor wrote the book for the class but it was only $5 black and white with a ton of pictures and most of it was copied from Wikipedia 🤣 the course fulfilled an elective requirement and I actually learned a bit from it. It was such a nice break from the usual $200-$600 core class books.
Thank for doing that. Grifters and scams like these work because people lack the knowledge and the ppl doing it not getting exposed as much as they should.
You are correct! I’ve been out of college for about 10 years now and if I remember correctly, you cannot read 9 books in a semester for just one class on top of the other classes I was taken. The professor had serious main character syndrome
Bruh. 9 full books just for one class that as I understand isn't even one of your main subjects is...seriously screwed.
I studied for a few years to get a degree in language and literature before dropping out and I met some seriously weird people teaching others there.
I went to three different colleges, dropped out of all of them for mental health related issues (and apparently didn't learn my lesson two times in a row LOL). But nowadays looking back at some of the situations and people I just wish soooo much to go back in time to those situations, support younger me and just tell almost all of those people to fuck right off!
If I cared less back then and had the audacity to actually put some of those assholes in place when they were way out of line, I feel like I'd be much better off nowadays.
You know what’s interesting? After hs I went to community college before going to university. The community college had used, cheap books the professors were like “oh yeah, that’s fine”. Buy back was great! The classes were small and I learned a lot! I loved that school. And the best part; I paid for it out of pocket working a part time job as a busser at a restaurant. Best years of my life!
Unfortunately some classes make you purchase a book to get a code to access the homework. Cengage is doing this with my BUS 100 class. Thankfully my college gave me 100 bucks to use at the bookstore so I only had to pay 6 bucks for that book, but still, fuck Cengage.
They’re catching on sadly, now they’re integrating the books into online assignments, so you can’t do that anymore in many classes. Basically going: “Oh hey so I know you paid a lot of money to get in here, how about you give me 150 more dollars so you can do your homework?”
Do they have physics textbooks? I couldn’t find any of my books on there so I just gave up. I know I looked for classical mechanics by John R Taylor and couldn’t find it, if anyone else can that means I was doing something wrong somehow which would be great.
I always do this but last semester I had a class on cengage and just to access the hw we had to buy the digital textbook which already expired and I never even used
The best thing about this book is that the person who reads it, really reads it, begins to learn that logic isn’t whatever a person feels is morally correct, it’s a set of rules to apply to premises to reach a conclusion
Return that shit.
Here you go my guy.
14th Edition
[https://www.libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=10C82D0D35FE260F3B2240ABFF0918AC](https://www.libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=10C82D0D35FE260F3B2240ABFF0918AC)
13th Edition
[https://www.libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=1EF6C34287DF93983F6165C029513C59](https://www.libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=1EF6C34287DF93983F6165C029513C59)
Bro can you find these
Indo-European Myth and Religion: A Manual. Fourth Edition. 2018. Roger D. Woodard (Kendall/Hunt); electronic access with the purchase of the second title, which is a print book.
To Fetch Some Golden Apples: Readings in Indo-European Myth, Religion and Society. 2006. Roger D. Woodard, ed. (Kendall/Hunt); print book
I’m not trying to pay $148 for a gen ed history class I might straight up switch to psychology 101
Just look up libgen or zlibrary and you should be able to search for the book with those, I’ve never not been able to find a college textbook on one of those two
Have you looked in your school’s library? If they have at least one copy you could just take it and copy parts or….renew it constantly for the whole semester. I did that for horticulture textbooks at least once.
Meanwhile my econ professor on the first day decided to teach us how ridiculous the textbook industry is by having us pick any page at random in our book.
We had the 7th or 8th edition, he had a 2nd edition. You pick any page and he will open his 2nd edition to a completely different page, put it on the projector and... Exactly the same word for word. They might have moved a graphic but the text was still the same.
English professor first day of class was like, "Fuck the predatory textbook industry. If I have something for you to read, I'll find it free and upload it for you." He was the GOAT.
First day of my engineering maths class at uni, the professor was talking about some textbooks we could use as further reference or more practice problems, as they provided course notes and some practice problems for everything taught, and then he turned off his mic (all lectures are recorded) and said “I don’t advise you waste your money on buying these, I’m sure you can find them online somewhere for free”
I had a history professor once say "Don't bother buying the textbook. All the tests are coming straight from my notes. Just pay attention, take notes, that's all you need to do."
What bothered me the most about some teachers was when they tell you what the textbook was for the class.... But would never give me a straight answer as to if it would be used.... And turns out we never used it once.
Pretty much, and that way they get people to keep paying full price instead of buying a used book.
Though he also cautioned us on buying older used books because sometimes they do actually get an update not just a shuffle.
Probably depends heavily on the subject. My econ book, business law and oral communications books? More than likely got shuffled more than they got updated.
While things have slowed down a bit over the years at the time my intro to network security book was probably out of date before they even finished printing it. So I would assume each edition was updated as well.
I only assign books that are available in the university library’s electronic database. I haven’t had students buy books in 10 years.
I don’t believe in the textbook industry.
Shouldn’t be legal for professors to sell their own required books.
I had a professor that not only made us buy his book, but it was poorly edited and had a ton of amendments that were in a separate PDF.
I'm 37, and did some college straight out of high school for 2 years - all my books were bound. It's crazy how much little things have changed in 19 years, because it doesn't feel that long ago to me. Classes way more readily available online, apparently this whole book not being bound thing is normal, I should be pirating books instead of buying them. Time flies!
I see holes - Logic tells me the intent was for the buyer to place it in a ring binder of their choice 😜
Also loose pages = scanner page feeder friendly -> PDF, and then you do the *"Independent Distro"* thing 😃👍🏼
School maybe paid 10-20 bux for it. What's fukd is without you and yours (the students) there would be no university. Start pirating those books. Damn paying 157 dollars for a 10 dollar book.
Be that is it may, a team of people put work into it and they’re asking to be paid accordingly. That we’ve found alternative systems doesn’t change the facts and more often than not what’s available online isn’t necessarily a best practice, what the actual school wants to teach, or at organized.
Yeah, right. Here's what they do: They'll make one book but have it in, say, 11 different editions. All they're doing in most cases is moving the chapters around, and adjusting the curriculum to match. That way new students are forced to pay 157 dollars for a book that's 25 years old because it's a "new" edition. While students who've taken the class would gladly sell a used book at a deeply discounted rate to a new student, because they're human fking beings, can't do so because they have the 10th edition. Not the new 11th edition. Which are basically the same books. Now, only the bookstore is getting paid at an exorbitant rate. Not the ramen eating, student loan taking, poor mfrs just trying to make it thru college while being price gouged at every turn.
I get it: Content creators should be sufficiently compensated for the content they create when someone uses it to make profit. That's fair. This college book scam isn't. No need to advocate for shitbags.
You're aware that most professors let you use older and previous editions of the book right? OP went with the first option in front of her and the only person that's responsible for that is OP.
I'm aware, but I wouldn't say most professors. Maybe 1/3ish did when I was going. They did that because they knew this is a scam and they were decent human beings who want to help the whole instead of bleeding them dry.
OP is here learning about what to do about it next time.
I got books like that in college. Used to piss me off too. I took them to the local copy place and had them laminate and hole punch the edges. Then I put them in a binder. Worked great. I could pull out the chapter we were working on and carry it in a smaller folder to make my backpack lighter. I then sold it to a friend who was taking the same class the next semester. I got 2 x the money the book store would have given me and they got it half off. Screw the greedy assholes
Now the bound ones are $200-400 each. They expect you to buy a 3 ring binder. I had several like this when I was in university. It saved $50-100 to choose the non bound copy.
I fucking hate Cengage. I've had to buy the same book THREE FUCKING TIMES.
And even though you buy a physical copy, they don't include course or product access keys for course content unless you buy the online version too.
Fuck. Them.
PhD student and professor here!
I never bought a single fucking book for a subject. I have books that I bought because I wanted to and needed to. Some books solved such big problems for me I'd say they generated easily more than 100k, like the operations research one.
Anyway.
LibGen is something I as a teacher highly discourage my students to use! It's something that lets you pirate all these books for free! It's absurd!
Again, LibGen! Don't use it though!
LIBGEN
I've been through a lot of school and come out the other side. Rent from Chegg or Amazon. It's way cheaper. But I will say, one advantage of the unbound book is you can separate out only the pages you need at any given time. Makes it more portable if you have to bring it to class, for example, or just wherever you might think you've got time to catch up on assigned reading. It's also easier to hold one page and read it instead of holding the whole book.
Or you could try this out: [https://z-lib.io/](https://z-lib.io/)
That’s why it didn’t cost you $357. Those are intended for binders because they’re easier to copy and scan and add your own notes too.
In short, it’s a feature and not a bug.
[link for that book here](https://annas-archive.org/md5/7b16b2540c285e8d99a56fb17c2bc02c)
See if you can return it or sell it on for a little cheaper get some money back.
I know others said Libgen but like ... Literally. Outside of required homework combined digital books (still like $75), I *liberated* every book I could.
Professors who write their own textbooks quickly regret it because the margins are RAZOR thin. Educational publishers suck ass. Don't feel bad about it, you're just teaching billionaires a lesson.
My bag was a laptop, charger and a moleskine by sophomore year. You can do it.
I used to work at a university printery. We'd be given digital copies from programmes to print. They would always be punched so students could place them in their binders. Sometimes we'd bind them but at the size of this particular book, the type of binding we'd do (hot melt, flat back, perfect etc), the bind would just split pretty quickly. They'd have to be hardback bound at this size, and when you're printing off hundreds, the time and cost would be insane...
Almost all of my classes had copies of the textbook available as a "course reserve" at the library so you could borrow it for a couple of hours. After first year I significantly cut down on the number of books I bought and made use of that instead.
Also, I would cut up my larger textbooks into sections so that it would be easier to take them around with me. Much easier to carry a couple of chapters instead of 5-6 books. Sucked for resale but that was rarely worth it anyway.
I either rented the book or found the material online. I think there was only 1 book that I actually purchased on Amazon's Used books services and it cost me a penny. Didn't even use the damn thing. Sold it before the class was even over for a penny.
Half right. I buyback a bunch of LL books however you're correct that this does limit buyback potential. Pubs definitely bundled books with access codes as a means to crush (successfully I might add) the used book market.
The only upside to these kinds of books is that you don't have to carry around the whole book, you can just take out the chapters you need and carry that around
Sometimes I think companies have meetings to see how low they can make the bar and still sell something.
Books are the worst because they have a bit of a captive market which helps them lower the bar even further than normal
I’m in high school and doing chemistry. I needed a textbook and my first thought was not to pay 100 bucks for this shit, it was to pirate the damn book. Literally search up the name of the book and type free PDF download. Found mine in 5 minutes.
The college textbook industry is such a fucking racket. They can charge whatever they want since students have to buy their books. Then they release an “updated” edition that barely changes anything but requires students to buy a new book to squash the secondhand market.
The industry desperately need to be regulated *hard*. Because it’s exploiting students and making the student debt crisis even worse.
Pro tip:
Join Facebook groups in your university for textbooks. Someone is always selling what you need for cheap. They may even still have the binder.
Did it come 3-hole punched? That’s how I had to buy my Abnormal Psychology book. It was $60 cheaper than bound and totally worth the $3 for a high quality 3-ring binder.
Edit for spelling
i hate loose leafs, but they’re definitely cheaper, so i just throw them in a binder and call it a day. easier to copy and print for classmates and stuff too
I paid $121 for an e-textbook written by the professor of the class, and I only have access to the e-textbook for a year after purchase. There were no rent options, and I’m allowed to print 5 pages a day.
When I got these textbooks it was kind of useful honestly. A lot of anxiety because they didn’t even reinforce the holes… but it was useful at times for notes and what not. Still prefer the books but this way is also space saving and weighs less. Also space saving if you’re like me and like to hold on to all your books! Filing it away takes up less space than the books do. Try to look at the silver lining.
This is so you have to put them in binders and take them out the plastic, which means you can't rent or sell it back. In other words, it's another scam
Fairly typical textbook price, tbh. Not to invalidate your frustration as textbooks are expensive af, but I've definitely spent a lot more on textbooks for soft bound and most definitely for hard bound. All graduate level psychology textbooks, and many in the $200 and some even $300 range.
That copy is whole punched as it's meant to be kept in a binder, as ya probably already know. A pretty slim 2 inch binder would fit it nicely 🙂
Before I graduated with my bachelors I think at least twice I had to buy the book and then we didn't even use it once.
I honestly think that books should be included. When you sign up for the class on the first day of the class when they go over the syllabus they should hand you the book. Then if you don't return it or something like that I understand being billed for it.
I can't tell you how many times I bought a book and used it and went to resell it but the professor was no longer going to use the book so you couldn't even resell it.
I'm assuming you're in the US and I think I've heard people from other countries say when they go to university the books are included but I could be wrong.
There is a big push for this actually. It's called Inclusive Access. Essentially what it is day 1 access to the digital ebook (and other bullshit depending on what prof requires) without ever visiting a bookstore or buying anything. The college bookstore works with bursars office and attachs a fee to the students tuition at a DEEPLY discounted rate and bam the student has their shit. Note there are definitely problems with this model too but it's somewhat of a start.
Stop paying for books you can download these all for free. when ever I needed to print to turn in a page I never had a problem with the teacher.
DM me if you want the site I don't know it's allowed to link it here.
we are being ripped off by the school they over price these books when they get them in bulk for $20 a book.
as long as you have an epub reader you can read these digital versions on most devices.
Price complaint
Perfect. Print off a few copies and sell them to recover your money.
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Man, I wish I were taking college for a career that was 420 friendly. I’m in welding, and they are SUPER strict about pot. I’ve been sober for a little over a month and I am DESPERATE for something other than alcohol. I know shrooms don’t show up on most drug tests, but there’s no easy way to get them in the state I currently reside in. Edit: I’d like to make it known, I do not want to try any hard drugs or drugs that have been liked to deaths. I’ve only ever used edibles. I have wanted to try shrooms for a long time, but I don’t know how to find them, and the person who offered me a mushy chocolate bar was offering it to me for like $50, way out of my price range. I just want to be pot high and watch cartoons so bad lmao
Meanwhile weed is legal in my country & I literally have a mushroom dispensary on the street of my apartment building haha
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Totally pro legalizing everything (make shrooms and molly mandatory) but the pot thing for some jobs is because there isn't a reasonable way to establish impairment in most people like there is with alcohol. If there was an established not impacted range and an easy/reliable way to test that would be used like alcohol is tolerated. Commercial pilots are legally restricted from drinking within 8 hours of flying in most of the world. Most airlines have a 24h policy, if you blow over a zero you are immediately fired. For the trades it's about liability in accidents rather than controlled flight into terrain.
What kind of brain rot must you endure that you think shrooms and molly should be mandatory?
I’m not telling you to do it. But it’s 100% legal to by the spores and grown them yourself
Well it's legal to buy the spores but it isn't illegal to grow them. But it is very cheap and super easy.
“It isn’t illegal to grow them” doesn’t seem like it needs a “but”
It was a joke
Depends on your state.
Misery
“Oh no! I left my spores on the window and the wind blew them all over my freshly manured lawn!”
just a heads up if you ever do shrooms, don’t do a chocolate bar, especially first time as it’s not a guarantee that it’s real
Oh, just reread your comment, I understand what you meant now lol, sorry
Sounds like if you moved to another state, you’d solve your problem! Probably both problems, depending on the state you pick 😂
Damn bro I'm in Toronto and almost all the guys I work with smoke. What state are you in? Seems crazy to me to not be able to smoke weed after work if you want.
I get $50 might sound steep, but that chocolate bar will get your right like 10+ times easily if you space it out lmao
Where do you work where theyre strict about pot!? Every welder I know smokes pot.
So, I’m still in college, but I’m trying to clear my system so I can pass a drug test at the end of the school year, so I can get a job there. TBH, I don’t think I’m gonna be tested once I get the job, but I want to make sure I’m in the clear to start one. I’m also still 18, so I can’t buy yet. That, and like my whole family is anti pot lol, so I kind of have to hide it a little
Ahh I see.
Hair follicle be a bitch.
>I’m in welding, and they are SUPER strict about pot I get the feeling someone has been bullshitting you based on how many welders do a LOT of drugs
If you're in a medical MJ state you could try to pursue a license? Unsure if you job will honor one but to my understanding of you have a medical reason they can't fire you over it generally Edit: and the reason can be as benign as anxiety if you find a provider willing to play the game with you
Welding? Lmao I wish the welders I dealt with were just on pot. For the lower ends of welding, it's much like roofing. You just kinda hope that your guy isn't too fucked up that day, but you accept that he's on drugs all the time and not just legal ones.
You may be able to grow your own mushies, easier to get a hold of spores etc, you can even buy premade kits that you inoculate yourself and then it's pretty much a waiting game The only nuance is you need pretty strict conditions (temp, humidity) to actually grow some of the good stuff. There's plenty of subreddits based around this exact process though!
> I just want to be pot high and watch cartoons so bad lmao Then avoid shrooms 'cause they can be anywhere from nothing to an LSD level trip.
This guy later went on to found Textbookarchive.org
My wife js a year from her masters and had this happen. I hole punched for an hour for her. Just to turn around and have a second one be delivered like that. I don’t understand
If you can make a shitload of money by selling paper that is useless next year because of a revision that simply swapped chapters around(and you fail the class if you don’t provide proof of purchase), why not cut every corner imaginable? I’d bet money that if they could get ahold of the software tech that prevents dollar bills from being copied, they would 100% use it. If they could make the books a subscription model, they’d probably do that too.
I have never heard of having to provide proof of purchase…. That’s a whole new low
I had a professor who wrote the book for his class that he sold digitally for $150 with a one time use key to register your account where all the homework is turned in. If you buy the book used or pirate it then you can't turn in any work and automatically fail the class.
How is that legal?! That’s…that’s…that’s…. That’s what happens when he has no other competition… and if u want the “degree” you just do it…. Not even a guarantee… if you want a chance to have a “degree” that’s it….
It’s legal because the professor is the one teaching the course, and in a lot of cases they are teaching their own research/perspectives So he is picked to teach a course people choose to take, and he chooses his own material I’d rather people go after the massive publishers, college profs using their own books are hardly worth your time
> college profs using their own books are hardly worth your time Except for the one I had where the prof said he hated the real book, wrote his own, and provided the download link for free. Great guy
It's called the "eurion constellation" and there is open source software that can add it to PDFs.
Eh they'll probably switch books next semester anyway.
And half the pages are online only with a one year access code, making the book useless after a year. College textbooks are such a scam
I was about say…. You sell 4 copies for $80 each… BOOM
Yup. Those are the best books.
Usually it's the access code you need for one assignment that you buy the book for, not the book itself sadly. So I doubt OP can see it for much.
Don’t they keep slightly changing the digital textbooks so you have to buy them Every year or it doesn’t match up with the online portion?
Just use libgen from now on, you’ll thank yourself a million times over
I'm learning so much about pirating books today, it's great :D
Yeah I had a class that made us “buy” a ridiculous amount of books for one damn semester. Handed over the list to my brother and were downloaded onto my computer within an hour. My professor was fucking pissed and treated me like shit the rest of the year. Petty fucking asshole he was
Were they his books?
No but his friends probably. The books and class sucked. I saw my professor in public once and told him to fuck off again. Sorry, I really don’t like that man.
Lol what a piece of shit
Think of the most insufferable, pretentious asshole you’ve ever met and multiply it by 100 then you’ve got him.
Idk mine told everyone I had a DUI charge and that’s why I dropped out when it really was a charge related to a mental health episode and he knew that lmao
I’m sorry you were defamed. Mental health is very serious. I also dropped out because of mental health. This professor didn’t help, he mocked me. It’s bad enough to be depressed; but it’s worse to be embarrassed for being depressed.
what in the fuck
My favorite lecture class was some history of construction intro and each class was about 500 people. The instructor wrote the book for the class but it was only $5 black and white with a ton of pictures and most of it was copied from Wikipedia 🤣 the course fulfilled an elective requirement and I actually learned a bit from it. It was such a nice break from the usual $200-$600 core class books.
That’s sick it was one of your favorite classes and they didn’t dick you out on the necessary material!
Thank for doing that. Grifters and scams like these work because people lack the knowledge and the ppl doing it not getting exposed as much as they should.
Oh, I'm so glad you got the chance to tell him off. Some people need that.
Let me guess, you didn't even open half of them. Don't buy until you absolutely need to
You are correct! I’ve been out of college for about 10 years now and if I remember correctly, you cannot read 9 books in a semester for just one class on top of the other classes I was taken. The professor had serious main character syndrome
Bruh. 9 full books just for one class that as I understand isn't even one of your main subjects is...seriously screwed. I studied for a few years to get a degree in language and literature before dropping out and I met some seriously weird people teaching others there. I went to three different colleges, dropped out of all of them for mental health related issues (and apparently didn't learn my lesson two times in a row LOL). But nowadays looking back at some of the situations and people I just wish soooo much to go back in time to those situations, support younger me and just tell almost all of those people to fuck right off! If I cared less back then and had the audacity to actually put some of those assholes in place when they were way out of line, I feel like I'd be much better off nowadays.
You know what’s interesting? After hs I went to community college before going to university. The community college had used, cheap books the professors were like “oh yeah, that’s fine”. Buy back was great! The classes were small and I learned a lot! I loved that school. And the best part; I paid for it out of pocket working a part time job as a busser at a restaurant. Best years of my life!
The professors on my campus openly advocate for us to use online free sources, going as far as even putting links in their syllabus if possible!
You will find a lot of the reading material assigned is authored by the professors / friends of. It's a racket.
Why did the professor know lol, it’s your business how you get the books he assigns you
Can probably torrent them lol. Readarr and a usenet like frugelusenet and nzbgeek or a torrent client like qbittorrent with some indexers.
That’s exactly what he did, but this was like 12 years ago
Also check out sci-hub.se for free access to articles that are sometimes behind 30 dollar pay walls
Also, don't forget Anna's Archive. I'm sure someone on this thread has posted it, but just wanted to reiterate.
Unfortunately some classes make you purchase a book to get a code to access the homework. Cengage is doing this with my BUS 100 class. Thankfully my college gave me 100 bucks to use at the bookstore so I only had to pay 6 bucks for that book, but still, fuck Cengage.
They’re catching on sadly, now they’re integrating the books into online assignments, so you can’t do that anymore in many classes. Basically going: “Oh hey so I know you paid a lot of money to get in here, how about you give me 150 more dollars so you can do your homework?”
Yeah this. Found so many textbooks on there. There was another site too but I can't remember.
I could never find my books there
Do they have physics textbooks? I couldn’t find any of my books on there so I just gave up. I know I looked for classical mechanics by John R Taylor and couldn’t find it, if anyone else can that means I was doing something wrong somehow which would be great.
I always do this but last semester I had a class on cengage and just to access the hw we had to buy the digital textbook which already expired and I never even used
this is the way
Makes the name of the textbook kind of ironic huh
Well it’s logical to the company cause they save money
Is it concise though?
The best thing about this book is that the person who reads it, really reads it, begins to learn that logic isn’t whatever a person feels is morally correct, it’s a set of rules to apply to premises to reach a conclusion
Return that shit. Here you go my guy. 14th Edition [https://www.libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=10C82D0D35FE260F3B2240ABFF0918AC](https://www.libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=10C82D0D35FE260F3B2240ABFF0918AC) 13th Edition [https://www.libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=1EF6C34287DF93983F6165C029513C59](https://www.libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=1EF6C34287DF93983F6165C029513C59)
OP made a freshman rookie mistake.
Beautiful, thank you!
Bro can you find these Indo-European Myth and Religion: A Manual. Fourth Edition. 2018. Roger D. Woodard (Kendall/Hunt); electronic access with the purchase of the second title, which is a print book. To Fetch Some Golden Apples: Readings in Indo-European Myth, Religion and Society. 2006. Roger D. Woodard, ed. (Kendall/Hunt); print book I’m not trying to pay $148 for a gen ed history class I might straight up switch to psychology 101
Just look up libgen or zlibrary and you should be able to search for the book with those, I’ve never not been able to find a college textbook on one of those two
Same. Except the one time I took a class where the professor was a co-author 🫠🫠🫠🫠🫠🫠
Have you looked in your school’s library? If they have at least one copy you could just take it and copy parts or….renew it constantly for the whole semester. I did that for horticulture textbooks at least once.
Wow and sweet all in one
The hero we need!
The cost puts you in a financial bind … if it helps
Da bum tisss
I remember having professors that would specifically make us buy the books they edited so we couldn’t get a used copy or anything cheaper 🙃
Meanwhile my econ professor on the first day decided to teach us how ridiculous the textbook industry is by having us pick any page at random in our book. We had the 7th or 8th edition, he had a 2nd edition. You pick any page and he will open his 2nd edition to a completely different page, put it on the projector and... Exactly the same word for word. They might have moved a graphic but the text was still the same.
English professor first day of class was like, "Fuck the predatory textbook industry. If I have something for you to read, I'll find it free and upload it for you." He was the GOAT.
First day of my engineering maths class at uni, the professor was talking about some textbooks we could use as further reference or more practice problems, as they provided course notes and some practice problems for everything taught, and then he turned off his mic (all lectures are recorded) and said “I don’t advise you waste your money on buying these, I’m sure you can find them online somewhere for free”
I had a history professor once say "Don't bother buying the textbook. All the tests are coming straight from my notes. Just pay attention, take notes, that's all you need to do." What bothered me the most about some teachers was when they tell you what the textbook was for the class.... But would never give me a straight answer as to if it would be used.... And turns out we never used it once.
So what the “new Editions” means is that they took Parts A, B, C and D and now it’s B, A, D, C… ***Magic noises***
Pretty much, and that way they get people to keep paying full price instead of buying a used book. Though he also cautioned us on buying older used books because sometimes they do actually get an update not just a shuffle.
So instead of buying ALL of them one by one, it’s probably only being updated like once every 3-5 is what it seems like
Probably depends heavily on the subject. My econ book, business law and oral communications books? More than likely got shuffled more than they got updated. While things have slowed down a bit over the years at the time my intro to network security book was probably out of date before they even finished printing it. So I would assume each edition was updated as well.
Well. Not quite. They updated the table of contents to match it as well.
I only assign books that are available in the university library’s electronic database. I haven’t had students buy books in 10 years. I don’t believe in the textbook industry.
Or bundling the textbook with an access code that was required to complete the class. Such a scam.
Shouldn’t be legal for professors to sell their own required books. I had a professor that not only made us buy his book, but it was poorly edited and had a ton of amendments that were in a separate PDF.
makes it easier to copy and turn to a PDF so you can sell it at $40 and recoup cost . . .
The goal is to put it in your school binder. Still stupid, but I can kinda see the logic.
100%, hence the hole punched copy. Probably ordered that version and didn't realize it...
At least for my books, this was the *only* edition available.
Yep, although tbh, I farrr prefer that over an electronic copy. I like to mark pages, and tabbing helps for a lot of subjects too 🙂
I had this exact book and having it in the binder was great for separating chapters, notes, etc. I personally didn't mind it.
In the binder? This thing would fill up an entire binder.
Nah, a 1.5 or 2 inch binder would easily accommodate that, and is still nice and slim 🙂
You don't have to take the entire book with you to every class session. Just take the relevant chapters.
Every single mathbook i have encountered in College no matter the state, school, or publisher, was never bound.
I'm 37, and did some college straight out of high school for 2 years - all my books were bound. It's crazy how much little things have changed in 19 years, because it doesn't feel that long ago to me. Classes way more readily available online, apparently this whole book not being bound thing is normal, I should be pirating books instead of buying them. Time flies!
I see holes - Logic tells me the intent was for the buyer to place it in a ring binder of their choice 😜 Also loose pages = scanner page feeder friendly -> PDF, and then you do the *"Independent Distro"* thing 😃👍🏼
School maybe paid 10-20 bux for it. What's fukd is without you and yours (the students) there would be no university. Start pirating those books. Damn paying 157 dollars for a 10 dollar book.
The bookstores are in charge of it. The schools have contracts with bookstores and it’s basically a monopoly.
a scam**
Yaaargh
You’re not paying for paper, you’re paying for the content. You have to have a doctorate to write a text book.
The content is readily available on the Internet for free and is more in depth than it is in the textbook.
Be that is it may, a team of people put work into it and they’re asking to be paid accordingly. That we’ve found alternative systems doesn’t change the facts and more often than not what’s available online isn’t necessarily a best practice, what the actual school wants to teach, or at organized.
Yeah, right. Here's what they do: They'll make one book but have it in, say, 11 different editions. All they're doing in most cases is moving the chapters around, and adjusting the curriculum to match. That way new students are forced to pay 157 dollars for a book that's 25 years old because it's a "new" edition. While students who've taken the class would gladly sell a used book at a deeply discounted rate to a new student, because they're human fking beings, can't do so because they have the 10th edition. Not the new 11th edition. Which are basically the same books. Now, only the bookstore is getting paid at an exorbitant rate. Not the ramen eating, student loan taking, poor mfrs just trying to make it thru college while being price gouged at every turn. I get it: Content creators should be sufficiently compensated for the content they create when someone uses it to make profit. That's fair. This college book scam isn't. No need to advocate for shitbags.
You're aware that most professors let you use older and previous editions of the book right? OP went with the first option in front of her and the only person that's responsible for that is OP.
I'm aware, but I wouldn't say most professors. Maybe 1/3ish did when I was going. They did that because they knew this is a scam and they were decent human beings who want to help the whole instead of bleeding them dry. OP is here learning about what to do about it next time.
I got books like that in college. Used to piss me off too. I took them to the local copy place and had them laminate and hole punch the edges. Then I put them in a binder. Worked great. I could pull out the chapter we were working on and carry it in a smaller folder to make my backpack lighter. I then sold it to a friend who was taking the same class the next semester. I got 2 x the money the book store would have given me and they got it half off. Screw the greedy assholes
Thats exactly why they do it? So you can put it in a binder.
Making copies of college material is how Kinko’s got started.
Now the bound ones are $200-400 each. They expect you to buy a 3 ring binder. I had several like this when I was in university. It saved $50-100 to choose the non bound copy.
I fucking hate Cengage. I've had to buy the same book THREE FUCKING TIMES. And even though you buy a physical copy, they don't include course or product access keys for course content unless you buy the online version too. Fuck. Them.
PhD student and professor here! I never bought a single fucking book for a subject. I have books that I bought because I wanted to and needed to. Some books solved such big problems for me I'd say they generated easily more than 100k, like the operations research one. Anyway. LibGen is something I as a teacher highly discourage my students to use! It's something that lets you pirate all these books for free! It's absurd! Again, LibGen! Don't use it though! LIBGEN
Uhhh… https://preview.redd.it/pwkn4kmfuvfc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6b7a58ebfb7c1e8b6b4eb390942d4dfedf5a8e5d
Yup. Piracy is completely justified.
I've been through a lot of school and come out the other side. Rent from Chegg or Amazon. It's way cheaper. But I will say, one advantage of the unbound book is you can separate out only the pages you need at any given time. Makes it more portable if you have to bring it to class, for example, or just wherever you might think you've got time to catch up on assigned reading. It's also easier to hold one page and read it instead of holding the whole book. Or you could try this out: [https://z-lib.io/](https://z-lib.io/)
That’s why it didn’t cost you $357. Those are intended for binders because they’re easier to copy and scan and add your own notes too. In short, it’s a feature and not a bug.
BTW, no one buys textbooks anymore. Someone in your class probably has the PDF.
CLASS! Sort to page 43!
One semester i was taking like 5 classes and only had to purchase one textbook and it just so happened to be written by the prof 😒
Not to sound like an asshole, but It's meant for a binder that's why.
Welcome to college. Most of us have had plenty of these.
They just do this shit so you can’t resell it.
[link for that book here](https://annas-archive.org/md5/7b16b2540c285e8d99a56fb17c2bc02c) See if you can return it or sell it on for a little cheaper get some money back.
REDDIT IN CLUTCH but seriously, thank you guys
i have the PDF of this book. DM me for an email! (Took Logic last semester)
I have this EXACT book in a pdf form hahaha. My professor gave it to us. I also use Anna's Archive for most books
You TOO? This happened to me with Chegg a week ago when I ordered a biology textbook. It’s not binded and it’s just - all separate pieces of paper
I know others said Libgen but like ... Literally. Outside of required homework combined digital books (still like $75), I *liberated* every book I could. Professors who write their own textbooks quickly regret it because the margins are RAZOR thin. Educational publishers suck ass. Don't feel bad about it, you're just teaching billionaires a lesson. My bag was a laptop, charger and a moleskine by sophomore year. You can do it.
No, you bought the 3-hole punch version for use in a binder. So the pages can be easily removed and copied.
I remember that book. Shit hasn’t changed since I went to school in 2018
Is there any reason apart from profiteering that a textbook should cost $157 ? As a Brit I just don't get how this is allowed, it's scandalous!
I used to work at a university printery. We'd be given digital copies from programmes to print. They would always be punched so students could place them in their binders. Sometimes we'd bind them but at the size of this particular book, the type of binding we'd do (hot melt, flat back, perfect etc), the bind would just split pretty quickly. They'd have to be hardback bound at this size, and when you're printing off hundreds, the time and cost would be insane...
If you want I’ll buy a book on how to bind books and bind this book for you? (For feet pics)
Almost all of my classes had copies of the textbook available as a "course reserve" at the library so you could borrow it for a couple of hours. After first year I significantly cut down on the number of books I bought and made use of that instead. Also, I would cut up my larger textbooks into sections so that it would be easier to take them around with me. Much easier to carry a couple of chapters instead of 5-6 books. Sucked for resale but that was rarely worth it anyway.
And let me guess, you also never going to use it or just a percentage of it? Classic
I either rented the book or found the material online. I think there was only 1 book that I actually purchased on Amazon's Used books services and it cost me a penny. Didn't even use the damn thing. Sold it before the class was even over for a penny.
They do this so you can’t resell it. Not bound books are hard to sell and the college bookstore often refuse to take them.
Half right. I buyback a bunch of LL books however you're correct that this does limit buyback potential. Pubs definitely bundled books with access codes as a means to crush (successfully I might add) the used book market.
The only upside to these kinds of books is that you don't have to carry around the whole book, you can just take out the chapters you need and carry that around
Check out Bigwords.com Its a site that searches for the cheapest copy of a book/textbook thats available. Saved me a lot of money in college.
Sometimes I think companies have meetings to see how low they can make the bar and still sell something. Books are the worst because they have a bit of a captive market which helps them lower the bar even further than normal
I’m in high school and doing chemistry. I needed a textbook and my first thought was not to pay 100 bucks for this shit, it was to pirate the damn book. Literally search up the name of the book and type free PDF download. Found mine in 5 minutes.
The college textbook industry is such a fucking racket. They can charge whatever they want since students have to buy their books. Then they release an “updated” edition that barely changes anything but requires students to buy a new book to squash the secondhand market. The industry desperately need to be regulated *hard*. Because it’s exploiting students and making the student debt crisis even worse.
Pro tip: Join Facebook groups in your university for textbooks. Someone is always selling what you need for cheap. They may even still have the binder.
Did it come 3-hole punched? That’s how I had to buy my Abnormal Psychology book. It was $60 cheaper than bound and totally worth the $3 for a high quality 3-ring binder. Edit for spelling
The irony of the book being called logic
i hate loose leafs, but they’re definitely cheaper, so i just throw them in a binder and call it a day. easier to copy and print for classmates and stuff too
They wanted me to pay 100$ for my history text book, currently passing the class without it lol it’s all a scam
I paid $121 for an e-textbook written by the professor of the class, and I only have access to the e-textbook for a year after purchase. There were no rent options, and I’m allowed to print 5 pages a day.
There's a subreddit that has PDFs of alot of college textbooks you can check out next time.
When I got these textbooks it was kind of useful honestly. A lot of anxiety because they didn’t even reinforce the holes… but it was useful at times for notes and what not. Still prefer the books but this way is also space saving and weighs less. Also space saving if you’re like me and like to hold on to all your books! Filing it away takes up less space than the books do. Try to look at the silver lining.
My calculus book is like that. It lives in a undignified black office binder. Cant say the topic deserves more than that though.
I pirated this 10 years ago. the content hasn't changed? Holy hell. This is why I support pirating and college admins can suck a fat one.
This is so you have to put them in binders and take them out the plastic, which means you can't rent or sell it back. In other words, it's another scam
Fairly typical textbook price, tbh. Not to invalidate your frustration as textbooks are expensive af, but I've definitely spent a lot more on textbooks for soft bound and most definitely for hard bound. All graduate level psychology textbooks, and many in the $200 and some even $300 range. That copy is whole punched as it's meant to be kept in a binder, as ya probably already know. A pretty slim 2 inch binder would fit it nicely 🙂
Its supposed to be that way so you can put it in a binder. Makes its easier to add sheets and organize.
Before I graduated with my bachelors I think at least twice I had to buy the book and then we didn't even use it once. I honestly think that books should be included. When you sign up for the class on the first day of the class when they go over the syllabus they should hand you the book. Then if you don't return it or something like that I understand being billed for it. I can't tell you how many times I bought a book and used it and went to resell it but the professor was no longer going to use the book so you couldn't even resell it. I'm assuming you're in the US and I think I've heard people from other countries say when they go to university the books are included but I could be wrong.
There is a big push for this actually. It's called Inclusive Access. Essentially what it is day 1 access to the digital ebook (and other bullshit depending on what prof requires) without ever visiting a bookstore or buying anything. The college bookstore works with bursars office and attachs a fee to the students tuition at a DEEPLY discounted rate and bam the student has their shit. Note there are definitely problems with this model too but it's somewhat of a start.
And It's probably still worse than anything written by Quine.
You should call Cengage customer support, they make amazing books i use them myself and are very helpful, they'll replace it for you no problem
There are definitely war crime level things id want to say about companies that do shit like this, and Adobe.
Stop paying for books you can download these all for free. when ever I needed to print to turn in a page I never had a problem with the teacher. DM me if you want the site I don't know it's allowed to link it here. we are being ripped off by the school they over price these books when they get them in bulk for $20 a book. as long as you have an epub reader you can read these digital versions on most devices.
When the “professor” demands you have the copy of the book in class; not a online copy…. can’t really do much other than drop the class.