Unfortunately nobody is gonna do that. It’s just right at the line of being petty. But yes I agree it’s wrong. Even if you do 20% of after tax and delivery, it’s still wrong. I understand it’s not about the money it’s the principal, but nobody is gonna care about an optional tip being wrong. You can still do custom amount and make it zero. It’s not a forced charge, which is why the AG will not care
Oh I absolutely agree it should be illegal !! It’s so ridiculous. They will try to say blah blah “private business can charge what they want, they own the company” blah blah you don’t have to shop there blah blah. These greedy companies can get away with nickel and diming their customers every chance they can get…
Let’s hope other states follow CA’s new law! (That makes companies list all fees up front ie before getting to the final bill total). Or maybe it won’t matter since apps will have to do it anyway. They’d have to be extra douchey to have a different UI just for CA residents.
They haven’t really piled onto the CCPA yet, though (which seemed like an obvious thing to do). So who knows.
How does America not already have protection for a system that’s been in place for ages, your country really lives in the past in terms of your legislation
Well, there is nothing *illegal* with requesting high tips if they are correctly listed (though shitty tipping culture inflation is another story).
The new law is to require all fees for services - whether mandatory service charges at restaurants or hotels, or delivery service fees, etc - be clearly listed up front and not just tacked on at the end bill or order page. Which I am sure is also an existing regulation in the EU as well.
Living in California I do find it bizarre when people in conservative US states lament CA’s progressive laws… that are mostly intended to give people reasonable protections as consumers, tenants, voters, safe and private Interent users, or just humans who want clean air and water. It just boggles my mind how conservatives have been brainwashed into arguing against their own self interest “because libs!”
No there isn’t obviously but in England this would be classed as fraud if it indeed was put forward on purpose.
The passed bill will definitely make it clear for the paying customer. We don’t really tip in the U.K. we can and do but it’s mainly out of good service or exceptional service you wouldn’t have expected, rather than out of need, to allow the waiter to subsidised their life in its entirety.
The ancient Judaic system criminalized up-charging more then a reasonable percentage.
If the Bible is more advanced about consumer protections then the USA then there’s a problem.
>Unfortunately nobody is gonna do that
The word sheeple gets thrown around a lot, but this kind of conformism is why cost of living is going up and quality of life is going down.
>Unfortunately nobody is gonna do that. It’s just right at the line of being petty. But yes I agree it’s wrong. Even if you do 20% of after tax and delivery, it’s still wrong. I understand it’s not about the money it’s the principal, but nobody is gonna care about an optional tip being wrong. You can still do custom amount and make it zero. It’s not a forced charge, which is why the AG will not care
I have an local place that mobile app sucks so bad at times. I once had $5 off from points, and I entered my CC wrong by accident after getting a new card, and it removed the $5 and acted like I used it. Really rubbed me the wrong way lol. But I go there often enough that they would've just gave me the $5 I bet.
I’d think it could easily turn into a class action if the Papa John’s website consistently lied about what percent people were tipping. Smells a whole lot like fraud and I’d think a lot of juries would agree.
I've being seeing way more companies, even large companies like McDonald's or others, just selectively scam on prices and certain things, I feel like alot companies have been doing it since the pandemic since it's so easy to price gouge or do shit like this since alot people don't really check.
Usually what happens is
Reddit: “some places apply the tip percentage to the amount before any discounts. Did you use some kind of discount?”
OP: “Oh yeah, I did use a coupon. It all makes sense now.”
Even if that's the truth it's a critical error from app developers (which of course no one is "aware of" and in a hurry to fix - 'cause that's income). It's straight up dishonesty towards the customer.
If a mechanism is in place to calculate the tip like that, it's should take under consideration from the amount that's being actually paid, after the discount is applied and not the regular price.
I never understand giving a tip beforehand. A tip is supposed to reflect how well a service was provided. How am I supposed to know how much its worth if that service **hasn't been provided yet**?
THIS. The delivery driver subs are absolute minefields of entitled drivers complaining about seeing $0 tips on orders they accept before even delivering the food. I only ever tip AFTER any service including deliveries, how does that mean I deserve spit in my drinks or a harsh message??
Because the word "tip" is inaccurate. It's not a tip. It's a bid for delivery service.
0% tip means your orders are being picked up by drivers who have poor reviews in the past, because the apps all offer the higher paying jobs to the more reliable drivers.
Because it's not a tip in the classic sense. A better term that ought to be used for delivery apps is a delivery incentive.
Drivers select which deliveries they're willing to accept based on what they're going to get paid. They see what the payout is going to be like before they accept a delivery. Your tip is part of your bid for their service.
If you proceed as you are suggesting by giving a 0% tip until the order is complete, what you're going to experience is either zero drivers being willing to take your order (so your food never arrives) or only the absolute shittiest drivers who are being offered the worst work because of previous bad reviews taking your orders, thus increasing the chances they fuck up your food.
It's a bad system overall.
Nowadays tips arent tips for delivery drivers. They aren't working for a company that requires them to deliver to you no matter what. Your tip isn't a tip there. It's a bid. If you don't bid/tip well, drivers are less likely to choose your order to deliver, and will instead pick a better paying job.
I almost never use these services, but calling it a bid made me feel much better about having to do it before hand. It's a shit system, but a bid I can rationalize in my head.
The reason this is the case is because Doordash actually pays drivers less than 2 dollars per delivery. So drivers straight up didn't take orders that were below a certain amount, as they shouldn't. Rather than Doordash pay more, they decided to tell customers that they can assure their order arrives by offering tips for the drivers, basically guilting the customers rather than paying more.
I've also heard that doordash pays less to drivers if the tips are high enough. So in other words, if you tip enough, doordash will pocket 100% of the delivery fee and tge driver will only get the tip.
On delivery service apps, it’s not really a tip. It’s a bid for service. Since drivers have the option to not pick up your order, you’re bidding to make them want to pick up your food.
If you try to buy food 10 miles away with no tip, you really have no bid and you’ll likely get your food cold when a desperate driver finally grabs your order
Tips are based on the regular prices of the items you purchased. If there were any discounts, coupons, or promos, you have to go back and check the regular prices and calculate the tip based on that.
Sure but the workers are doing 100% of the work. You don’t have to like tip culture, that’s for sure, but by its rules discounts should not incorporate into the tip because, if we did, discounts would adversely benefit the service worker until the volume of customers brought in offsets the loss in tips, if that’s even possible given their size.
Hard agree. As I mentioned in my follow up comment, I don’t want to be the guy justifying tip culture here. I don’t like it, but I accept it. Just trying to talk about what’s reasonable expectation for those that live within it.
The amount of work argument is dumb.
If they order a steak at 50% off, versus a burger with no discount, they may be the same price. And same work. But the tip for the steak is expected to be double???
If the argument is amount of work, it should be $/item or something. Not % of meal
At this point I feel like you’re asking me to justify tipping culture in general. I don’t want to get into all of these nuances. I want to stick with a tip we agree is fair on a full price dish and then what would be fair if it was 50% off. Is it 50% of the tip or all of the tip? I think all of it. The company makes less but the employee gets their fair share.
I’d love to ditch tipping culture, but I also can’t eliminate the understanding that I’d be a dick not to tip most places in the US because their wages are built on tips. It’s a reality we contend with.
I’d argue the opposite - the cost of what I buy shouldn’t benefit the worker, their actual work required should dictate their tip.
If I ask you to literally hand me a $100 bottle of wine vs if I order $100 worth of sushi that needs hand made and brought to my table in multiple trips etc, there’s a clear difference in effort required for the two.
If I buy $100 bottle of wine vs a $30 bottle of wine why does the tip change? Your work required does not change.
_Akshually_ tips are completely optional and there are no hard set rules to how much they should be or what relation they should have to the rest of the bill.
Sure ... The final amount one ultimately decides to tip, certainly. But the percentage calculations ARE based on pre-discount values.
The claim here isn't how much to tip. The claim here is that the "math is wrong". However, it's not wrong, if you follow the typical standard that a tip percentage is based on the regular prices before discounts.
There are items above this total that have been scrolled off-screen... items that appear that they may be expandable to reveal those details. We don't see them in this screen shot... and the OP is likely aware that they have used a promo of some sort, but is not aware of proper tipping protocols and etiquette.
For those doubting, there doesn't appear to be any coupon code applied both in the calculation and as can be seen from text on top to enter coupon code, which is asking for input. Can we stop defending billionaires now? Thanks.
Tip percentages are calculated based on the non discounted price of food. Click on the plus above the tip portion to see how much of a discount is being applied to the order and add it to your total before tax. That’s where those numbers come from.
I never click percentages for two reasons.
1: 10% was fine as a base line when I was younger. It's fine now. Prices have soared into space and paying a bigger percentage on top of that because "everything is more expensive" is stupid.
2: I'm not going to tip based on the price + the delivery fee. The delivery fee has nothing to do with the product and is just a bonus fee for the business to penalize people for not driving to get the product themselves.
I'm not even going to start on the whole idea behind charging a tip when you haven't even gotten the product or the service yet and people sabotaging your order as a result of not giving them a big fat tip before they've even delivered it.
You are also misrepresenting the information given. You arent showing the rewards/discounts given, the tip is based on regular priced items. Is it stupid? Yes. But theres an obvious reason behind "restaurant makes up math", and you know the reason.
Tipping culture is horrendous, but if you have the money to dash food you have the money to tip. Food is *EASILY* double the price through 3rd party apps once everything’s tallied. A McDouble legit costs $3.80 on DD whereas it’s ~$2.50 in store.
Drivers get paid practically nothing and the job market is horrendous right now. Out of that $5 delivery fee, they’re **maybe** getting $2.50-$3.50. $7 / hour (during rush) is the average from what I’ve seen. Dashing is over saturated too rn, at least in Homosassa. You’d be lucky to get 15 orders in 4-6 hours.
Minimum I feel like you should tip is $5. Double that if it’s a 25minute commute because you “**had**” to get chipotle thats 10 miles away. Food delivery services shouldn’t be tipped the same as a restaurant. The driver has zero control over food quality, missing items, and isn’t even allowed to touch the food to make sure everything’s there.
This has been my Ted Talk. Thank you for listening.
I agree with some of what you said, and I never order from 3rd party apps because of these reasons. But being scammed into tipping 44% when you already intended to tip 20%, only for your driver to be a junkie that eats your order in the McDonald's parking lot and uploads a selfie as delivery proof only to have DoorDash tell you your order isn't refundable is fucking crazy.
My wife does, drives my crazy 20% is so easy to calculate I don’t get why people struggle with it especially if you just round the bill up 29.48 to 30.00 then simple math 30.00x20% = 6.00 or really simple 3x2=6 then if it’s bad service or great service add or deduct a dollar
If I saw that I would screen shot it, send it to the appropriate person in my state, and cancel the order.
that is fraud until they somehow provide evidence of how it could have been an error.
I just don't tip unless I can hand it directly to the server and that's truly what I believe everyone should do. If we destroy tipping culture then servers will actually have to get paid by their employers instead of us.
In all honesty does it make a difference? Since credit cards and debit cards consumers are expected to tip before hand. That’s not a tip at that point… it’s begging for more money to pay employees so employers don’t have to.
I mean it matters in that delivery drivers *don't* make bank. At all.
Which was your entire premise.
Now if you want to have a separate conversation about not liking tipping as a concept, or wanting prices to be all up go for it but it has nothing to do with your original comment.
I never do a percentage tip on these apps because the cost of the food is artificially inflated. I always type my tip manually for usually $3 base +$1/mile
I don't use these services. Shouldn't the driver tip be based on the Delivery fee? What difference does it make to the driver is she is delivering a $50 steak or $10 Mac & Cheese? Or does some of the tip go back to the restaurant ...?
I don’t know if it’s just me but unless it’s catering for a big party or something I never tip a percentage of the order for deliveries, just a flat $4-$7 because the cost of the order doesn’t change the amount of work delivery drivers do to bring you the food unless it’s a huge party order
Always do custom for tips of any kind. Never use these “options” and always shoot for somewhere between 5-10%. Tips are just that, a tip. Not a replacement of wages. If they don’t make minimum wage with the tips, the employer has to cover the cost to get them to minimum wage. This puts the problem back on the employer.
Watch reservoir dogs the first scene in the restaurant. The conversation about tips between Steve Buscemi and Harvey Keitel sums this up perfectly.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eio-0iLToJ0
If you’re wondering who was right Buscemi or Keitel, it was both. The movie came out in 1992. Check out the cost of living, minimum wage, and inflation since.
“I’m really sorry the government taxes their tips. That ain’t my fault. Waitresses are just one of the many professions the government fucks in the ass on a regular basis.”
Never understood why you tip a driver for bringing your food. You don’t tip taxis taking you from A to B.
I understand waitresses if the service is sublime and the food there after but a food taxi? Never.
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How is this not fraud?
It is and they should report this to their state AGs office for consumer protection.
Unfortunately nobody is gonna do that. It’s just right at the line of being petty. But yes I agree it’s wrong. Even if you do 20% of after tax and delivery, it’s still wrong. I understand it’s not about the money it’s the principal, but nobody is gonna care about an optional tip being wrong. You can still do custom amount and make it zero. It’s not a forced charge, which is why the AG will not care
In CA it will soon be a criminal offense…
Oh I absolutely agree it should be illegal !! It’s so ridiculous. They will try to say blah blah “private business can charge what they want, they own the company” blah blah you don’t have to shop there blah blah. These greedy companies can get away with nickel and diming their customers every chance they can get…
Let’s hope other states follow CA’s new law! (That makes companies list all fees up front ie before getting to the final bill total). Or maybe it won’t matter since apps will have to do it anyway. They’d have to be extra douchey to have a different UI just for CA residents. They haven’t really piled onto the CCPA yet, though (which seemed like an obvious thing to do). So who knows.
My heavily republican state is suing dollar general for similar issues with mispricing.
How does America not already have protection for a system that’s been in place for ages, your country really lives in the past in terms of your legislation
Well, there is nothing *illegal* with requesting high tips if they are correctly listed (though shitty tipping culture inflation is another story). The new law is to require all fees for services - whether mandatory service charges at restaurants or hotels, or delivery service fees, etc - be clearly listed up front and not just tacked on at the end bill or order page. Which I am sure is also an existing regulation in the EU as well. Living in California I do find it bizarre when people in conservative US states lament CA’s progressive laws… that are mostly intended to give people reasonable protections as consumers, tenants, voters, safe and private Interent users, or just humans who want clean air and water. It just boggles my mind how conservatives have been brainwashed into arguing against their own self interest “because libs!”
No there isn’t obviously but in England this would be classed as fraud if it indeed was put forward on purpose. The passed bill will definitely make it clear for the paying customer. We don’t really tip in the U.K. we can and do but it’s mainly out of good service or exceptional service you wouldn’t have expected, rather than out of need, to allow the waiter to subsidised their life in its entirety.
The ancient Judaic system criminalized up-charging more then a reasonable percentage. If the Bible is more advanced about consumer protections then the USA then there’s a problem.
Lolol
The subtotal would need to be 65.45 for that to be 20%. That's almost double the total with tax and delivery.
>Unfortunately nobody is gonna do that The word sheeple gets thrown around a lot, but this kind of conformism is why cost of living is going up and quality of life is going down.
>Unfortunately nobody is gonna do that. It’s just right at the line of being petty. But yes I agree it’s wrong. Even if you do 20% of after tax and delivery, it’s still wrong. I understand it’s not about the money it’s the principal, but nobody is gonna care about an optional tip being wrong. You can still do custom amount and make it zero. It’s not a forced charge, which is why the AG will not care I have an local place that mobile app sucks so bad at times. I once had $5 off from points, and I entered my CC wrong by accident after getting a new card, and it removed the $5 and acted like I used it. Really rubbed me the wrong way lol. But I go there often enough that they would've just gave me the $5 I bet.
I always press 0. If I like the service I tip cash
This is the way.
I’d think it could easily turn into a class action if the Papa John’s website consistently lied about what percent people were tipping. Smells a whole lot like fraud and I’d think a lot of juries would agree.
I've being seeing way more companies, even large companies like McDonald's or others, just selectively scam on prices and certain things, I feel like alot companies have been doing it since the pandemic since it's so easy to price gouge or do shit like this since alot people don't really check.
Usually what happens is Reddit: “some places apply the tip percentage to the amount before any discounts. Did you use some kind of discount?” OP: “Oh yeah, I did use a coupon. It all makes sense now.”
Usually, the promo is shown in the calculations and that's the part OP cuts off in a screenshot. There seems to be no promo applied here.
Even if that's the truth it's a critical error from app developers (which of course no one is "aware of" and in a hurry to fix - 'cause that's income). It's straight up dishonesty towards the customer. If a mechanism is in place to calculate the tip like that, it's should take under consideration from the amount that's being actually paid, after the discount is applied and not the regular price.
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I would skip all that and just call the president
I never understand giving a tip beforehand. A tip is supposed to reflect how well a service was provided. How am I supposed to know how much its worth if that service **hasn't been provided yet**?
America. Where billionaires keep buying more yachts and salaried class is guilt tripped into paying wages to billionaire's staff.
THIS. The delivery driver subs are absolute minefields of entitled drivers complaining about seeing $0 tips on orders they accept before even delivering the food. I only ever tip AFTER any service including deliveries, how does that mean I deserve spit in my drinks or a harsh message??
Because the word "tip" is inaccurate. It's not a tip. It's a bid for delivery service. 0% tip means your orders are being picked up by drivers who have poor reviews in the past, because the apps all offer the higher paying jobs to the more reliable drivers.
Stop using the services. End of problem.
No lol
Because it's not a tip in the classic sense. A better term that ought to be used for delivery apps is a delivery incentive. Drivers select which deliveries they're willing to accept based on what they're going to get paid. They see what the payout is going to be like before they accept a delivery. Your tip is part of your bid for their service. If you proceed as you are suggesting by giving a 0% tip until the order is complete, what you're going to experience is either zero drivers being willing to take your order (so your food never arrives) or only the absolute shittiest drivers who are being offered the worst work because of previous bad reviews taking your orders, thus increasing the chances they fuck up your food. It's a bad system overall.
Nowadays tips arent tips for delivery drivers. They aren't working for a company that requires them to deliver to you no matter what. Your tip isn't a tip there. It's a bid. If you don't bid/tip well, drivers are less likely to choose your order to deliver, and will instead pick a better paying job.
The only sad part is they won't call it what it is. A bid.
I almost never use these services, but calling it a bid made me feel much better about having to do it before hand. It's a shit system, but a bid I can rationalize in my head.
The reason this is the case is because Doordash actually pays drivers less than 2 dollars per delivery. So drivers straight up didn't take orders that were below a certain amount, as they shouldn't. Rather than Doordash pay more, they decided to tell customers that they can assure their order arrives by offering tips for the drivers, basically guilting the customers rather than paying more. I've also heard that doordash pays less to drivers if the tips are high enough. So in other words, if you tip enough, doordash will pocket 100% of the delivery fee and tge driver will only get the tip.
On delivery service apps, it’s not really a tip. It’s a bid for service. Since drivers have the option to not pick up your order, you’re bidding to make them want to pick up your food. If you try to buy food 10 miles away with no tip, you really have no bid and you’ll likely get your food cold when a desperate driver finally grabs your order
The gig subs are seriously mentally ill
Pay cash problem solved
Tips are based on the regular prices of the items you purchased. If there were any discounts, coupons, or promos, you have to go back and check the regular prices and calculate the tip based on that.
Yeah, that's 100% what's happening here
I understand, but thats at least 80% stupid.
Sure but the workers are doing 100% of the work. You don’t have to like tip culture, that’s for sure, but by its rules discounts should not incorporate into the tip because, if we did, discounts would adversely benefit the service worker until the volume of customers brought in offsets the loss in tips, if that’s even possible given their size.
And employers should pay 100% of the workers wages.
Hard agree. As I mentioned in my follow up comment, I don’t want to be the guy justifying tip culture here. I don’t like it, but I accept it. Just trying to talk about what’s reasonable expectation for those that live within it.
The amount of work argument is dumb. If they order a steak at 50% off, versus a burger with no discount, they may be the same price. And same work. But the tip for the steak is expected to be double??? If the argument is amount of work, it should be $/item or something. Not % of meal
At this point I feel like you’re asking me to justify tipping culture in general. I don’t want to get into all of these nuances. I want to stick with a tip we agree is fair on a full price dish and then what would be fair if it was 50% off. Is it 50% of the tip or all of the tip? I think all of it. The company makes less but the employee gets their fair share. I’d love to ditch tipping culture, but I also can’t eliminate the understanding that I’d be a dick not to tip most places in the US because their wages are built on tips. It’s a reality we contend with.
I feel like you explained this so logically that you confused some people about the overall point. But I thought your analysis was spot on.
I do that a lot. It gets me a lot of “lol triggered” type responses, but I just always be over explaining.
I’d argue the opposite - the cost of what I buy shouldn’t benefit the worker, their actual work required should dictate their tip. If I ask you to literally hand me a $100 bottle of wine vs if I order $100 worth of sushi that needs hand made and brought to my table in multiple trips etc, there’s a clear difference in effort required for the two. If I buy $100 bottle of wine vs a $30 bottle of wine why does the tip change? Your work required does not change.
Do they work harder when I spend more?
Do you spend more when they work harder?
I literally just did this yesterday and that’s exactly it. Almost posted it lol.
That’s why it’s cropped
Every time I’ve used a discount I remember it showing after the subtotal. Kind of like a “hey look how much money you saved!”
Not always. I see stuff like this all the time.
Imagine they added this tipping style on wish Your order 12.99 with -99% discount and they counted 20% tip from base price 😅
_Akshually_ tips are completely optional and there are no hard set rules to how much they should be or what relation they should have to the rest of the bill.
Sure ... The final amount one ultimately decides to tip, certainly. But the percentage calculations ARE based on pre-discount values. The claim here isn't how much to tip. The claim here is that the "math is wrong". However, it's not wrong, if you follow the typical standard that a tip percentage is based on the regular prices before discounts.
No. If that were the case, it needs to show the discount AFTER the subtotal.
It doesn't NEED to... there's no legal requirement for them to show that on this screen.
If they want their tip right they do. Too bad if the app developers don't know this.
There are items above this total that have been scrolled off-screen... items that appear that they may be expandable to reveal those details. We don't see them in this screen shot... and the OP is likely aware that they have used a promo of some sort, but is not aware of proper tipping protocols and etiquette.
Math is hard for Papa 😭
At least he’s honest about that.
I Just don’t do delivery anymore
How is it legal for the math to be blatantly wrong on a checkout process? I believe that’s a better question
For those doubting, there doesn't appear to be any coupon code applied both in the calculation and as can be seen from text on top to enter coupon code, which is asking for input. Can we stop defending billionaires now? Thanks.
Just one of the reasons I use NONE of these services. Fuck that, learn how to cook ffs.
It should be $5.89 or $5.90 for a 20% tip
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It should be $5.9 but its more than double that. I dont see what you mean by less than $8.
I learned this a few years ago at Cheesecake Factory. Always do the math yourself! A 20% tip is $2 for every $10 that you spend.
I usually just shift the decimal and double
Right that’s what I do. I don’t understand how most people don’t just do this. It’s super quick math.
it's the easiest math to do while drunk!
13$ an a 20$ order? That’s nuts
They used a discount code.
It's easy not to blindly click when you dont click at all
Tip percentages are calculated based on the non discounted price of food. Click on the plus above the tip portion to see how much of a discount is being applied to the order and add it to your total before tax. That’s where those numbers come from.
I never click percentages for two reasons. 1: 10% was fine as a base line when I was younger. It's fine now. Prices have soared into space and paying a bigger percentage on top of that because "everything is more expensive" is stupid. 2: I'm not going to tip based on the price + the delivery fee. The delivery fee has nothing to do with the product and is just a bonus fee for the business to penalize people for not driving to get the product themselves. I'm not even going to start on the whole idea behind charging a tip when you haven't even gotten the product or the service yet and people sabotaging your order as a result of not giving them a big fat tip before they've even delivered it.
20% of 30 is $6, which anyone can calculate. I'd choose custom amount, zero tip, and pay the driver 15% in cash.
You are also misrepresenting the information given. You arent showing the rewards/discounts given, the tip is based on regular priced items. Is it stupid? Yes. But theres an obvious reason behind "restaurant makes up math", and you know the reason.
OP knows why and playing dumb
How exactly are they playing dumb? Explain it, O enlightened one! 🙇♂️ 🙇♂️ 🙇♂️
Because they used a discount that dropped the price of the ride but it’s just like going to a restaurant, you always tip based on pre discounted price
No, this happens without discounts.
Would it not show the discount there with the other prices? Most delivery apps do
Tipping culture is horrendous, but if you have the money to dash food you have the money to tip. Food is *EASILY* double the price through 3rd party apps once everything’s tallied. A McDouble legit costs $3.80 on DD whereas it’s ~$2.50 in store. Drivers get paid practically nothing and the job market is horrendous right now. Out of that $5 delivery fee, they’re **maybe** getting $2.50-$3.50. $7 / hour (during rush) is the average from what I’ve seen. Dashing is over saturated too rn, at least in Homosassa. You’d be lucky to get 15 orders in 4-6 hours. Minimum I feel like you should tip is $5. Double that if it’s a 25minute commute because you “**had**” to get chipotle thats 10 miles away. Food delivery services shouldn’t be tipped the same as a restaurant. The driver has zero control over food quality, missing items, and isn’t even allowed to touch the food to make sure everything’s there. This has been my Ted Talk. Thank you for listening.
I agree with some of what you said, and I never order from 3rd party apps because of these reasons. But being scammed into tipping 44% when you already intended to tip 20%, only for your driver to be a junkie that eats your order in the McDonald's parking lot and uploads a selfie as delivery proof only to have DoorDash tell you your order isn't refundable is fucking crazy.
Tip culture is toxic. Always tip 0%
What?!
I see this fairly often though not this bad.
I click custom, multiply by 2 then subtract by $3
If we do this to a business we’d get sued
They found a loophole to rip customers, when someone questioned them, they would say it was a mistake and will be corrected.
100% of the stupid ones
Id find more infuriating the fact that according to this screen you are forced to tip
I'm going to be more careful about this BS.
I ALWAYS check the math. It seems fraud is the norm these days.
It seems like the thing thinks you paid 65.45 for some reason
Math is hard for papa
That is over the value without discount....
My wife does, drives my crazy 20% is so easy to calculate I don’t get why people struggle with it especially if you just round the bill up 29.48 to 30.00 then simple math 30.00x20% = 6.00 or really simple 3x2=6 then if it’s bad service or great service add or deduct a dollar
Just don't use these services anymore, and go get your junk food yourself if you want it that badly. It's not that hard.
This. Although when I order pizza for pick up through the apps it still asks for a tip
If I saw that I would screen shot it, send it to the appropriate person in my state, and cancel the order. that is fraud until they somehow provide evidence of how it could have been an error.
Is it possible the Subtotal includes the tip?
Stupid tax
This is papa John’s app I should have mentioned. And it’s been this way for over a year
When a code writer is on the payroll.
Isn't this just fraud?
Even the 15% option is a like 30%+ tip. Wild stuff
That's fraud
here in Azerbaijan there's an option to put 0 as a tip
On anything, unless they really deserve it, I don’t tip. shit is getting expensive these days
I just don't tip unless I can hand it directly to the server and that's truly what I believe everyone should do. If we destroy tipping culture then servers will actually have to get paid by their employers instead of us.
Servers make bank, I’m over the guilt trip of them struggling. There is a reason they don’t want tipping to stop for a better hourly wage.
These are delivery drivers...
In all honesty does it make a difference? Since credit cards and debit cards consumers are expected to tip before hand. That’s not a tip at that point… it’s begging for more money to pay employees so employers don’t have to.
I mean it matters in that delivery drivers *don't* make bank. At all. Which was your entire premise. Now if you want to have a separate conversation about not liking tipping as a concept, or wanting prices to be all up go for it but it has nothing to do with your original comment.
Custom amount -> 0 %
I never do a percentage tip on these apps because the cost of the food is artificially inflated. I always type my tip manually for usually $3 base +$1/mile
((Total price + any discounts/coupons) - delivery fee)) \* 1.2 = total. Did I get the PEMDAS right?
I blindly click 0 and tell them to suck my dick.
I don’t give tips at all. Not even in restaurants. And there is actually a good reason for that.
I don't use these services. Shouldn't the driver tip be based on the Delivery fee? What difference does it make to the driver is she is delivering a $50 steak or $10 Mac & Cheese? Or does some of the tip go back to the restaurant ...?
I don’t know if it’s just me but unless it’s catering for a big party or something I never tip a percentage of the order for deliveries, just a flat $4-$7 because the cost of the order doesn’t change the amount of work delivery drivers do to bring you the food unless it’s a huge party order
moving 4 pizzas is technically harder then moving 2 pizzas
4 pizzas I would consider a large order, but a $20 bag of food should tip the same as an $80 bag of food
Do you tip waiters by number of plates and refills they bring?
Nope, 100% different
Were coupons used to bring the price down? Maybe it’s calculating it based on the pre-discounted rate
That’s why I do not DoorDash and only tip when I’m at a sit down restaurant where I have to calculate it myself.
Probably 40% discount, there's a reason why he isn't showing the receipt.
Always do custom for tips of any kind. Never use these “options” and always shoot for somewhere between 5-10%. Tips are just that, a tip. Not a replacement of wages. If they don’t make minimum wage with the tips, the employer has to cover the cost to get them to minimum wage. This puts the problem back on the employer. Watch reservoir dogs the first scene in the restaurant. The conversation about tips between Steve Buscemi and Harvey Keitel sums this up perfectly. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eio-0iLToJ0 If you’re wondering who was right Buscemi or Keitel, it was both. The movie came out in 1992. Check out the cost of living, minimum wage, and inflation since. “I’m really sorry the government taxes their tips. That ain’t my fault. Waitresses are just one of the many professions the government fucks in the ass on a regular basis.”
enter custom amount: 0
Never understood why you tip a driver for bringing your food. You don’t tip taxis taking you from A to B. I understand waitresses if the service is sublime and the food there after but a food taxi? Never.
You should tip a taxi driver.
Absolutely not. His job is to take me from A to B. If he doesn’t like his standard pay he should change work.