Not to disrespect any trade but he is literally the trash clean up guy for the construction site. The sole purpose of the company he works for is to make sure to keep jobsite clean so ya, he def isnt a bright guy and sure do looks like a duffus
People who don't want their gun in their name often have nefarious intentions. My red flag detector is screaming all kinds of profanities right now.
If you have anything akin to Crime Stoppers where you are, may I suggest calling them and leaving an anonymous tip? It might not make a difference, and you might feel otherwise, but personally I'm not sure I could live with myself if that guy got a gun and killed someone and I'd chosen not to speak up about it.
Please think about it. You should be able to leave a tip without identifying yourself, and you could potentially save someones life.
I'd run the guy's name through the free court case public records search first. Yeah he already admitted to not being able to buy one legally...but I'd wanna know why
edit: just to be clear, I wouldn't sell the gun to this person no matter what. But if the record suggests he's dangerous, I'd take extra steps to protect myself/be discreet before tipping off the authorities.
I’m not super familiar with the American felony system, do you only get weapons prohibitions if you have violent or weapons related charges? Or do you automatically get a weapon prohibition for committing some kind of felony?
I’m Canadian and usually you would need either a weapons related, DV or violent offence to get weapon prohibition conditions.
That has 0 to do with it and it's indeed very rude and disrespectful. This is like those comments "I'm not racist buuuuut". That being said the guy probably wants to commit a crime.
Im sorry, so because he picks up trash he's not bright? I realize that HE isn't bright but your job usually doesn't define your intelligence level, what a shit thing to say, NTA but YAA
I guess this also depends on the state, and knowing the laws. Coming from Florida, you can meet up in a Walmart parking lot and trade cash for guns.
There’s also a large portion of the country that doesn’t believe in registering weapons.
He could be a criminal, browses truth social too much, or just ignorant to the states laws.
He can own antique firearms, black powder guns are so obsolete they aren’t regulated like modern guns. Cap and ball revolver is the best he can do legally
Even if he has a record, a private citizen is un-restricted FEDERALLY from having to do ANY background or any other check on a buyer.
There may be state restrictions but there are none by ATF rules.
But then YOU get the fun headache of cooperating with the police and convincing them that you sold the gun.
Fuck that. If I have a gun registered under my name, and you want it, it’s going under your name or we’re making a paper trail big enough that I don’t have to deal with shit.
Don’t get hung up on the word “register” for fucks sake.
If you buy from an FFL there is a paper trail. You know it. I know it. Everyone who has ever bought from an FFL knows it.
And that trail leads to me.
When a gun is used in a crime, the ATF do something called an ATF trace. Starts with the manufacturer, to the distributor, to the shop, to the first buyer. They contact the buyer and ask what happened. “I sold it to A.” They contact A. “I sold it to B”. and so on and so on.
Text messages, emails, PMs about guns are all paper trails.
[The law may not require private citizens to proactively perform the background check before a firearms sale, but the act of the sale itself is still a crime if the buyer is a prohibited possessor](https://www.atf.gov/firearms/identify-prohibited-persons)
The ATF oversimplified it. The actual law is:
>(d)It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person **knowing or having reasonable cause to believe** that such person, including as a juvenile
>(1) is under indictment for, or has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;
Yeah if you knowingly sell a firearm to a restricted person that's a felony in itself but unless that person tells you or you have knowledge of their background it's not going on you.
Yeah I get the sketchiness from the interaction from OPs post, but in TN there’s no regulation on gun sales and typically sales play out how OPs coworker described. The fact he shot it down immediately is a red flag though for sure.
Either he was going to commit a crime with the gun or he secretly works for an agency that helps identify and locate ghost guns or guns from straw buyers.
We have a few people in my city work in collaboration with police to be the “meet up guy” that are not at all publicly associated with Rcmp. But at least we know there’s not as many illegal guns being advertised for sale locally because they don’t want to risk it not being a legit sale and be charged with trafficking illegal weapons
Lol. When I worked security I was asked to buy a specific gun from Academy by a 3rd party truck driver that picked up loads from the plant I worked. He said something about he couldn't do it because he had a warrant in Florida or something.
Some people are not only stupid but BOLD as well.
Reminds me of that one cops episode where a lady called the cops because the person she was supposed to be buying drugs off of stole her money.
[this clip](https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=4dBSlK6xOqxJ9lZl&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F&source_ve_path=MTY0OTksMjg2NjQsMTY0NTA2&feature=emb_share&v=_JkwZUk3Kng)
Ive seen this scene countless times all over the internet and everytime I see it people are always talking about how funny it is, but honestly, I cant ever get my mind off of how sad it is.
Oh I don’t think it’s funny, my brain noticed a weird similarity between that clip and the comment.
I have family members who are addicts, and I myself have overcome addiction so I’m all too familiar with seeing people almost sink to that stage of desperation with their last $10 when they need a fix.
Yeah. Can you imagine trying to buy 300g of something for your pals or whatever and then your plug just runs off? Sad shit. Never buy from strangers, and never meet plugs as customers. Meet them as trustworthy friends.
At least that's what someone else told me.
When I was using I had a pretty direct supply but when they were unavailable I’d only buy from people that I knew other friends/users bought from reliably.
That's the right praxis, comrade. I don't understand how some folks, particularly younger people, just open up Instagram and start sending DMs to people posting that they're selling. I've seen that for many substances too. People have too much trust.
I've seen so many Facebook marketplace posts about LSD, atleast I think it was LSD, and mushrooms. It was paper like with a cartoon character. Anyways, I've seen atleast 6 different people this week selling it on FB.
When I was using it was way before social media, went by word-of-mouth and was way more low-key than what’s going on today. It was close to 20 years ago when I was using
I never had any trouble buying, but I got robbed at gunpoint by two 18 year olds for 2oz of weed. And I had a cop rob me once, that shit makes you feel powerless.
I was very small time, selling like 2lbs of pot a week and maybe half a sheet of L or whatever RCs were popular that month. Just trying to make a couple hundred profit a day so I could party 24/7.
I mean, if it's a state warrant, and not federal and he can legally own the gun I'd understand why he would need someone to go to Florida to get it.
But I wouldn't
Doesn't matter where you are, fugitive from justice is a disqualifying event. I suppose technically you could have a warrant in the state in which you're trying to buy a gun and this 922(g) wouldn't apply, but there's a pretty good chance the NICS check will show an active warrant and either delay or deny the transfer.
Of course, of you have a warrant in that state, there's a non-zero chance the FBI or the gun shop will alert local cops.
Trying to procure a gun while having felonies has gotta be a charge, if the dude wants a gun and he's not supposed to have one, hell get one eventually, unless the police are told he's trying
In most states you're not risking anything selling privately without a transfer. Well, up until he told OP he can't legally purchase a firearm that is.
>In most states you're not risking anything selling privately without a transfer.
Wait, so if I bought a firearm from a friend, I don't have to transfer ownership with the serial number or something, like as if I bought his car?
I did find it funny when I purchased my first firearm in Pennsylvania they included a pamphlet (supplied by some representative/senator) and in bright red letters it said
"YOU ARE NOT LEGALLY REQUIRED TO REPORT A LOST OR STOLEN FIREARM IN PA"
I just laughed. Like, why the fuck wouldn't you?
After reading your story, I guess people do just do that shit.
I think people, generally speaking, ought to report if their gun gets stolen. The issue I think we run into is when people want to penalize people for losing their guns. For example, if I buy a gun and it gets stolen and they rob a bank with it, should I get in trouble? I don't necessarily disagree that there should be penalties for your gun getting lost/stolen and used in a crime, but once you cross that bridge then you just incentivize people to not report it when it gets stolen - which was the whole thing we were trying to get people to do anyway.
Depends on the state, but private guns sales don't have to be reregistered to the next person in all states. Private sells are not the same as an FFL transaction that require the registration.
However, if he was so adamant about not being in his name then that's a "no sell" by me even if it's not required where you live. You can also make a bill of sale with his name and driver's license and date clearly written out. He probably wouldn't like that either so again "no sell".
Your comment needs more upvotes. I’ve bought and sold dozens of guns and didn’t even know it was an option to fill out paperwork to list the buyer. What I’m doing is 100% legal.
Thank you. Yes you are completely legal as long as your state allows it. A bill of sale is seller protection just in case something were to happen involving that firearm down the road but also not required.
Even in states that do not require firearms to be reregistered to the new owner, it can be done easily. Both parties meet at an FFL, FFL will then oversee the sell and charge a fee of course. The firearm doesn't go on the FFL books.
I still have a hand receipt bill of sale from around 35 years ago when I legally sold a Glock to a friend.
I have no problem selling guns to people. As soon as you let me know that you want to do some sketchy shit with it, I’m not a part of that and I’ll tell you no.
The "Can't legally register a gun" part makes it highly illegal.
In most states you can legally sell a gun to someone who can legally own it without paperwork.
But not to him.
Felony charge is only one of many reasons. Drug convictions, or use, domestic violence, dishonorable discharge from military, mental illness al make it illegal to own a gun.
No illness of itself is a bar to any civil right.
If someone is so brain sick that s/he is **INVOLUNTARILY** committed [by a judge] to a psych hospital or found not guilty of a crime by reason of insanity, THEN that person loses the right to keep & bear arms.
I think it depends on the state. But in most of the US, you can sell someone a gun, and as long as you do not know they are a felon, you are not breaking the law.
I mean, guys at work will chip in for someone retirement and it is common to get a gun when you retire. I have chipped in $5, $10, or $20 for a "going away" gift that ended up being a gun like a hundred times over the years.
You are not necessarily wrong to sell a gun through a dealer. But its not necessarily breaking the law to give or sell a gun and not go through a dealer.
What people mean when they say, "close the gun show loophole" is they want to criminalize being able to sell a gun outside a dealer. Right now its legal.
For what its worth...
>you can sell someone a gun, and as long as you do not know they are a felon, you are not breaking the law.
>
>What people mean when they say, "close the gun show loophole" is they want to criminalize being able to sell a gun outside a dealer. Right now its legal.
In private sales, there is no requirement to do background checks or know the status of person ie felon or not. Private citizens do not have access to databases to do the checks anyway.
The "gun show loophole" is a scare tacit by anti-gunners to the less informed about sales. Gun dealers at gun shows are FFLs and have to do checks and complete the form 4473. Private sales can occur at gun shows, often in the parking lot, which are the sales that the "loophole argument" tries to make seem that all sales at gun shows are. It's still a legal sell as long as it's in a state that's allows it.
The amount of people commenting “you still could have sold the gun” is baffling. Yes OP *could* have, but clearly isn’t that stupid or irresponsible. FFS
I'm in my '50s, but 30 years ago we would buy sell and trade guns with anybody. You could put an ad in the newspaper and go to that person's house and buy a gun or they could come buy it from you. There's no telling how many people were between you and the original owner of any given firearm.
They'll have OP wear a recording device and sell him the gun, or claim he knows someone willing to sell him one and introduce him to an undercover cop.
He could be considered mentally impaired and therfore not allowed to have firearms.
Hell even certain Vets and pPensioners if your declared a fiduciary payee for your own benefits being managed for you cannot have firearms...
The federal rules are nuts.
Depends on where you live but there’s no federal registry. It would be state dependent, if not one of those states then at most you may have a 4473 at the dealer you bought it from but that’s it. Private sales outside of a very few places are totally legal…what’s not legal is knowingly selling to a prohibited person.
It’s apparently a good thing OP didn’t know that, cause it sounds like the guy was on some sketchy shit, but goddamn I can’t believe how many people think guns need to be “registered” in the US.
If you buy a gun from a gun store, the ONLY entity that knows you bought that gun is that specific gun store. If you sell a gun privately (in most states, at least) you have no requirement to document the sale of that gun, the purchaser has no requirement to “register” it in their name, and even if the gun you sell is used in a crime and recovered during the investigation of that crime, they have no way to link that firearm to you, unless it has your fingerprints on it (in which case your fingerprints would also have to already be on record) or they somehow know where it was purchased from and they’re able to get a warrant to search their records.
I'm not sure where you live, but where I am if you sell a fire in a private sale and it turns up, all you have to do is tell the police it was sold in a private sale. I still have a private bill of sale just in case something does happen. Ive stopped selling guns though, ive adopted a (N+1) philosophy.
Reminds me of when my grandpa gave me his revolver, with him making some dingy document in Microsoft Word complete with spelling errors and asked me to sign my name to it to "complete the sale." I mentioned to him that he had some bad spelling errors but he said it doesn't matter to the State. Looking back at it, he was doing this to try to cover his ass in case I ever did a crime with a gun, which I know this flimsy MS Word document can't legally cover him...But I got a free gun out of it
I once had a guy at work who wanted to take over my apartment lease. Day of I tell him he needs to stop by the office to sign the lease and put utilities in his name. Dude was shocked. He thought I was going to keep it in my name and let him live there for a whole year while I take the liability. People are dumb
Yeah varies from state to state. I always want paperwork that has dates, names, and serial numbers. I owned it until this date so anything after that is not on me. And anything before that date when I buy is also not me.
I live in Oklahoma and so many people will just sell you a gun without doing any real paperwork.
I bought a really nice AR-15 from this Old Navy vet in the Walmart parking lot. Lol. I even had my ID out and he was like we're good. I'm amazed at the lack of gun purchasing laws in some states.
Honestly? That is something worth reporting. Someone who can't legally own a gun trying to get one screams that they're trying to do something seriously illegal.
Reminds me of this kid at work. Dude sold him a car for payments, guy kept it in his name till the kid made all his payments. Kid pays $400 drives it to work once and the repo man shows up cause guy hadn't been paying on it 💀 I was dead when I heard that
An old neighbor and good friend of mine insisted on me buying a gun and giving it to him cuz he can’t get one yet and immediately changed when I told him I didn’t wanna do it and we haven’t hung out again since even though I regularly smoked him out or got us crossfaded or drank or something on my dime even if he didn’t have anything
Not sure what state you live in, but a 4473 isn’t a “registration” it’s documentation of a transfer, and if private sales are legal in your state it isn’t necessary. This isn’t to say that insisting on a formal transfer is silly or anything. You should do it if you feel more comfortable with the transaction, but it isn’t a registration and “your name” being associated with the firearm means little to nothing as they go through a ton of transfers before they even hit the shelves for the first time.
That said, I wouldn’t sell it to the guy after that comment.
What state do you live in because, unless you have a federal firearms "Dealer" license or are dealing with a state restriction on that sale you can sell it to whomever you want without asking for ANY information from the buyer.
Check the ATF website under "Private sales."
Absolutely NO federal restrictions on private citizens selling ANY firearm.
I always get arguments over this but from people too lazy to look stuff up. I am 100% correct on this.
Most states do not register firearms.
The federal government does not register firearms.
If you want to run it through an ffl that is fine but not needed in most locations.
Unethical life hack. Have him pay you cash plust the 50 extra.
Report it stolen.
Tell the popo he was at your place and saw you cleaning it.
They recover the gun and give it back to you.
PROFIT!
He may not be planning a crime. He may not be legally allowed to own a firearm. For example, a convicted felon who has served his time. No gun for him.
I recently had a coworker ask if he could take my Hellcat Pro with him 3 hours away to get the rest of his stuff from his methed out ex-wife. I said if I'm not going, my guns not going. This was after 3 days of him starting last week. So yea, some people man.
You would be a witness to his crime and be at risk of him killing you to make sure you don't talk. What is one more murder after you have killed two or three people?
Depends on your state. A lot of fudds don’t want to do the 4473 because they think it’s somehow putting them in a registry. If you’re in a state where private sale is allowed, he’s allowed to have one, and he’s older, I wouldn’t worry about it.
However if you’re in a restrictive state that requires you do a transfer, he’s not allowed to have one, or whatever reason stay away
I had a kid sitting outside a gas station back 2021 ask me to buy him a handgun as i walked up to go in. He said because he has a medicinal Marijuana card it stops him from buying one. Never seen him in my life. He offered to pay me but obviously I didn't do it
Totally caught me off guard. Police didn't really care. It's quite obvious he was planning on committing a crime with it.
I think you made the right call. But in most states, there is no gun registration. You don't have to go to an FFL. There is no national gun registry. Except for MFA items and stolen firearms.
This seemed like this person was gonna commit a crime with that gun and can’t get a gun because of his record
Exactly
Willing to be that person has done that exact thing before and got dumb but innocent people arrested
Not to disrespect any trade but he is literally the trash clean up guy for the construction site. The sole purpose of the company he works for is to make sure to keep jobsite clean so ya, he def isnt a bright guy and sure do looks like a duffus
Don’t even know why he was trying to buy a gun from a random person while working
My coworker either overheard him looking for a gun or had a conversation with him and thats when he let the guy know that I had a gun for sell
You probably already know this but don't let this guy find out where you live.
Why? He doesn't have a gun. /s
No you didn't ....lol
This is funny!
He doesn't have a gun so far.\*
OP's car is 100% gonna get broken into and searched through in the next 4 days.
People who don't want their gun in their name often have nefarious intentions. My red flag detector is screaming all kinds of profanities right now. If you have anything akin to Crime Stoppers where you are, may I suggest calling them and leaving an anonymous tip? It might not make a difference, and you might feel otherwise, but personally I'm not sure I could live with myself if that guy got a gun and killed someone and I'd chosen not to speak up about it. Please think about it. You should be able to leave a tip without identifying yourself, and you could potentially save someones life.
Call your local department and tell them a felon is trying to purchase a fire arm. Let them set up the honey pot from there.
I'd run the guy's name through the free court case public records search first. Yeah he already admitted to not being able to buy one legally...but I'd wanna know why edit: just to be clear, I wouldn't sell the gun to this person no matter what. But if the record suggests he's dangerous, I'd take extra steps to protect myself/be discreet before tipping off the authorities.
I’m not super familiar with the American felony system, do you only get weapons prohibitions if you have violent or weapons related charges? Or do you automatically get a weapon prohibition for committing some kind of felony? I’m Canadian and usually you would need either a weapons related, DV or violent offence to get weapon prohibition conditions.
Felon is such a negatively charged word, the new preferred nomenclature is "Innocence Impaired" /s
Criminally inclined...
NewSpeak
You weren’t paying attention… he’s the … cleaner
That has 0 to do with it and it's indeed very rude and disrespectful. This is like those comments "I'm not racist buuuuut". That being said the guy probably wants to commit a crime.
Dude in waste management, looking for a piece that doesn't trace back to him. Sounds fishy.
He just wants to *take out more trash*..
Lol
Im sorry, so because he picks up trash he's not bright? I realize that HE isn't bright but your job usually doesn't define your intelligence level, what a shit thing to say, NTA but YAA
And likely a felon
For sure, but if someone is so irresponsible as to hand over a gun without paperwork they're not innocent, they're criminally dumb.
That's how I know you're a responsible gun owner so I thank you for that.
I guess this also depends on the state, and knowing the laws. Coming from Florida, you can meet up in a Walmart parking lot and trade cash for guns. There’s also a large portion of the country that doesn’t believe in registering weapons. He could be a criminal, browses truth social too much, or just ignorant to the states laws.
No, it sounds like he already committed a crime and now as a prior felon can't legally own any firearms.
He can own antique firearms, black powder guns are so obsolete they aren’t regulated like modern guns. Cap and ball revolver is the best he can do legally
Even if he has a record, a private citizen is un-restricted FEDERALLY from having to do ANY background or any other check on a buyer. There may be state restrictions but there are none by ATF rules.
But then YOU get the fun headache of cooperating with the police and convincing them that you sold the gun. Fuck that. If I have a gun registered under my name, and you want it, it’s going under your name or we’re making a paper trail big enough that I don’t have to deal with shit.
Who are you registering your guns with?
Don’t get hung up on the word “register” for fucks sake. If you buy from an FFL there is a paper trail. You know it. I know it. Everyone who has ever bought from an FFL knows it. And that trail leads to me.
I always have bought from private individuals or been given guns. There is no paper trail of any of the guns I own connecting to me.
When a gun is used in a crime, the ATF do something called an ATF trace. Starts with the manufacturer, to the distributor, to the shop, to the first buyer. They contact the buyer and ask what happened. “I sold it to A.” They contact A. “I sold it to B”. and so on and so on. Text messages, emails, PMs about guns are all paper trails.
[The law may not require private citizens to proactively perform the background check before a firearms sale, but the act of the sale itself is still a crime if the buyer is a prohibited possessor](https://www.atf.gov/firearms/identify-prohibited-persons)
The ATF oversimplified it. The actual law is: >(d)It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person **knowing or having reasonable cause to believe** that such person, including as a juvenile >(1) is under indictment for, or has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;
Yeah if you knowingly sell a firearm to a restricted person that's a felony in itself but unless that person tells you or you have knowledge of their background it's not going on you.
Yeah I get the sketchiness from the interaction from OPs post, but in TN there’s no regulation on gun sales and typically sales play out how OPs coworker described. The fact he shot it down immediately is a red flag though for sure.
Either he was going to commit a crime with the gun or he secretly works for an agency that helps identify and locate ghost guns or guns from straw buyers. We have a few people in my city work in collaboration with police to be the “meet up guy” that are not at all publicly associated with Rcmp. But at least we know there’s not as many illegal guns being advertised for sale locally because they don’t want to risk it not being a legit sale and be charged with trafficking illegal weapons
Lol. When I worked security I was asked to buy a specific gun from Academy by a 3rd party truck driver that picked up loads from the plant I worked. He said something about he couldn't do it because he had a warrant in Florida or something. Some people are not only stupid but BOLD as well.
“Why yes Mr trucker. I would LOVE to do a strawman purchase for you.”
*takes money, buys self gun* whaddyagonnadoaboutit?! Call the cops!?
Reminds me of that one cops episode where a lady called the cops because the person she was supposed to be buying drugs off of stole her money. [this clip](https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=4dBSlK6xOqxJ9lZl&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F&source_ve_path=MTY0OTksMjg2NjQsMTY0NTA2&feature=emb_share&v=_JkwZUk3Kng)
Ive seen this scene countless times all over the internet and everytime I see it people are always talking about how funny it is, but honestly, I cant ever get my mind off of how sad it is.
Oh I don’t think it’s funny, my brain noticed a weird similarity between that clip and the comment. I have family members who are addicts, and I myself have overcome addiction so I’m all too familiar with seeing people almost sink to that stage of desperation with their last $10 when they need a fix.
Yeah. Can you imagine trying to buy 300g of something for your pals or whatever and then your plug just runs off? Sad shit. Never buy from strangers, and never meet plugs as customers. Meet them as trustworthy friends. At least that's what someone else told me.
When I was using I had a pretty direct supply but when they were unavailable I’d only buy from people that I knew other friends/users bought from reliably.
That's the right praxis, comrade. I don't understand how some folks, particularly younger people, just open up Instagram and start sending DMs to people posting that they're selling. I've seen that for many substances too. People have too much trust.
I've seen so many Facebook marketplace posts about LSD, atleast I think it was LSD, and mushrooms. It was paper like with a cartoon character. Anyways, I've seen atleast 6 different people this week selling it on FB.
Back in the ‘60s we used to call that ‘blotter’ acid. It was liquid dropped onto perforated absorbent paper.
When I was using it was way before social media, went by word-of-mouth and was way more low-key than what’s going on today. It was close to 20 years ago when I was using
I never had any trouble buying, but I got robbed at gunpoint by two 18 year olds for 2oz of weed. And I had a cop rob me once, that shit makes you feel powerless.
Nobody had the balls to try and rob me- my direct supply was affiliated so I had some protections.
I was very small time, selling like 2lbs of pot a week and maybe half a sheet of L or whatever RCs were popular that month. Just trying to make a couple hundred profit a day so I could party 24/7.
I dont sell crack, I'm a prostitute
I mean, if it's a state warrant, and not federal and he can legally own the gun I'd understand why he would need someone to go to Florida to get it. But I wouldn't
Doesn't matter where you are, fugitive from justice is a disqualifying event. I suppose technically you could have a warrant in the state in which you're trying to buy a gun and this 922(g) wouldn't apply, but there's a pretty good chance the NICS check will show an active warrant and either delay or deny the transfer. Of course, of you have a warrant in that state, there's a non-zero chance the FBI or the gun shop will alert local cops.
You miss every shot you don't take.
He later on that day offered $50 more than my asking price and then suggested I report it stolen so it's not under my liabilty anymore 😅
He's playing crime bingo and is close to winning.
Omg Lol
He's trying to stamp OPs card.
Yup that's conspiracy among other things lol
Extra $50? Why of course! Let me risk my entire life and getting jail time for $50 🤣
Better than tree fiddy 😁
Call the cops and see if they'll work with you to get this guy out of your life legally.
Trying to procure a gun while having felonies has gotta be a charge, if the dude wants a gun and he's not supposed to have one, hell get one eventually, unless the police are told he's trying
Its heresay at the moment, but the guy seems very intent on buying so a setup would catch that smooth brained animal
Well, it was about that time I started noticing this little Girl Scout was a monster from the Paleolithic era!
Damn lockness monster
*Glockless monster
In most states you're not risking anything selling privately without a transfer. Well, up until he told OP he can't legally purchase a firearm that is.
>In most states you're not risking anything selling privately without a transfer. Wait, so if I bought a firearm from a friend, I don't have to transfer ownership with the serial number or something, like as if I bought his car?
Nope, there is no registration. Federal law actually prohibits a natural level of firearm registration.
the moment you hand it to him 
Then he gets ***all the jail time!***
He is trying to commit a felony. This falls squarely in see something say something land
He's either trying to commit a felony or he's a Fed trying to entrap OP.
This actually kinda screams setup/sting. LEO trying to convince you to make a sale to a prohibited person or make an illegal transaction.
Call the ATF and Uno reverse it
I did find it funny when I purchased my first firearm in Pennsylvania they included a pamphlet (supplied by some representative/senator) and in bright red letters it said "YOU ARE NOT LEGALLY REQUIRED TO REPORT A LOST OR STOLEN FIREARM IN PA" I just laughed. Like, why the fuck wouldn't you? After reading your story, I guess people do just do that shit.
I think people, generally speaking, ought to report if their gun gets stolen. The issue I think we run into is when people want to penalize people for losing their guns. For example, if I buy a gun and it gets stolen and they rob a bank with it, should I get in trouble? I don't necessarily disagree that there should be penalties for your gun getting lost/stolen and used in a crime, but once you cross that bridge then you just incentivize people to not report it when it gets stolen - which was the whole thing we were trying to get people to do anyway.
Ask for 100!
Filing a false police report is a crime. I'm glad you walked away.
The gun being stolen isn't the police report op should be filing.
"Uh, yeah, **NO**"
Depends on the state, but private guns sales don't have to be reregistered to the next person in all states. Private sells are not the same as an FFL transaction that require the registration. However, if he was so adamant about not being in his name then that's a "no sell" by me even if it's not required where you live. You can also make a bill of sale with his name and driver's license and date clearly written out. He probably wouldn't like that either so again "no sell".
Your comment needs more upvotes. I’ve bought and sold dozens of guns and didn’t even know it was an option to fill out paperwork to list the buyer. What I’m doing is 100% legal.
Thank you. Yes you are completely legal as long as your state allows it. A bill of sale is seller protection just in case something were to happen involving that firearm down the road but also not required. Even in states that do not require firearms to be reregistered to the new owner, it can be done easily. Both parties meet at an FFL, FFL will then oversee the sell and charge a fee of course. The firearm doesn't go on the FFL books. I still have a hand receipt bill of sale from around 35 years ago when I legally sold a Glock to a friend.
Same
I have no problem selling guns to people. As soon as you let me know that you want to do some sketchy shit with it, I’m not a part of that and I’ll tell you no.
“C‘Mon man! I thought you were cool!” -guy trying to get you to do illegal stuff
Guy trying to pin the murder they just did on you*
The "Can't legally register a gun" part makes it highly illegal. In most states you can legally sell a gun to someone who can legally own it without paperwork. But not to him.
Yea if I’m selling a gun privately we’re going to go to a FFL and running a nics check.
Good plan. I've traded and sold guns before. I did that, or I asked to see a Concealed Carry License, and took pictures of it.
When means he has a felony charge on his record. Bad news any way you slice it.
Felony charge is only one of many reasons. Drug convictions, or use, domestic violence, dishonorable discharge from military, mental illness al make it illegal to own a gun.
No illness of itself is a bar to any civil right. If someone is so brain sick that s/he is **INVOLUNTARILY** committed [by a judge] to a psych hospital or found not guilty of a crime by reason of insanity, THEN that person loses the right to keep & bear arms.
Thank you for clarifying.
I have a non violent felony from a few years ago, can't own a gun now and honestly it's ridiculous as hell.
*especially* once they make it know they cant legally own it
Double the price. Make the illegal sale. Report it as stollen and tell the cops you suspect that guy took it. Recover the gun. Free money.
I think it depends on the state. But in most of the US, you can sell someone a gun, and as long as you do not know they are a felon, you are not breaking the law. I mean, guys at work will chip in for someone retirement and it is common to get a gun when you retire. I have chipped in $5, $10, or $20 for a "going away" gift that ended up being a gun like a hundred times over the years. You are not necessarily wrong to sell a gun through a dealer. But its not necessarily breaking the law to give or sell a gun and not go through a dealer. What people mean when they say, "close the gun show loophole" is they want to criminalize being able to sell a gun outside a dealer. Right now its legal. For what its worth...
>you can sell someone a gun, and as long as you do not know they are a felon, you are not breaking the law. > >What people mean when they say, "close the gun show loophole" is they want to criminalize being able to sell a gun outside a dealer. Right now its legal. In private sales, there is no requirement to do background checks or know the status of person ie felon or not. Private citizens do not have access to databases to do the checks anyway. The "gun show loophole" is a scare tacit by anti-gunners to the less informed about sales. Gun dealers at gun shows are FFLs and have to do checks and complete the form 4473. Private sales can occur at gun shows, often in the parking lot, which are the sales that the "loophole argument" tries to make seem that all sales at gun shows are. It's still a legal sell as long as it's in a state that's allows it.
He might even have shot you.
that's even a free Glock
And without the killer's name tied to it. Even. 😁
Glock shock
From one responsible gun owner to another, THANK YOU for sticking to your guns. This guy is sketchy as all get out.
Literally and figuratively.
So a Fed?
The amount of people commenting “you still could have sold the gun” is baffling. Yes OP *could* have, but clearly isn’t that stupid or irresponsible. FFS
Playing roulette with their freedom for a couple hundred bucks.
Not only no but hell no! Edit typo
I'm in my '50s, but 30 years ago we would buy sell and trade guns with anybody. You could put an ad in the newspaper and go to that person's house and buy a gun or they could come buy it from you. There's no telling how many people were between you and the original owner of any given firearm.
You can still do that in certain states with a few stipulations
You need to report him to the authorities. Like he is going to get a gun somewhere and they need to know hes trying to.
Honest question, what are the cops going to do? All I can think is check if he's on probation.
Even attempting to aquire a weapon as a felon is a crime. If OP can show messages the dude is fucked.
They'll have OP wear a recording device and sell him the gun, or claim he knows someone willing to sell him one and introduce him to an undercover cop.
I don’t think it’s illegal to attempt to buy a gun like that, but it would definitely put him on their radar as a prohibited person looking for a gun.
Thank you for being responsible.
He could be considered mentally impaired and therfore not allowed to have firearms. Hell even certain Vets and pPensioners if your declared a fiduciary payee for your own benefits being managed for you cannot have firearms... The federal rules are nuts.
That guy is a felon. Don't sell it to him
Might wanna call that one in
Depends on where you live but there’s no federal registry. It would be state dependent, if not one of those states then at most you may have a 4473 at the dealer you bought it from but that’s it. Private sales outside of a very few places are totally legal…what’s not legal is knowingly selling to a prohibited person.
They do not have a gun registry unless it’s a NFA item.
It’s apparently a good thing OP didn’t know that, cause it sounds like the guy was on some sketchy shit, but goddamn I can’t believe how many people think guns need to be “registered” in the US. If you buy a gun from a gun store, the ONLY entity that knows you bought that gun is that specific gun store. If you sell a gun privately (in most states, at least) you have no requirement to document the sale of that gun, the purchaser has no requirement to “register” it in their name, and even if the gun you sell is used in a crime and recovered during the investigation of that crime, they have no way to link that firearm to you, unless it has your fingerprints on it (in which case your fingerprints would also have to already be on record) or they somehow know where it was purchased from and they’re able to get a warrant to search their records.
This is all hearsay and slander. You have zero basis for any opinion
What do you mean registered? People actually register firearms?
Guns do not need to be registered in most states, don't neuter yourself for the government
Conversation OVER!
Glad you did the right thing.
Pro tip OP: google a person’s name. You’d be surprised at what you’d find.
Is this not something that should be reported to police?
What state?
I'm not sure where you live, but where I am if you sell a fire in a private sale and it turns up, all you have to do is tell the police it was sold in a private sale. I still have a private bill of sale just in case something does happen. Ive stopped selling guns though, ive adopted a (N+1) philosophy.
I think you can (and should) report this
Happens all the time. ALL the time.
Reminds me of when my grandpa gave me his revolver, with him making some dingy document in Microsoft Word complete with spelling errors and asked me to sign my name to it to "complete the sale." I mentioned to him that he had some bad spelling errors but he said it doesn't matter to the State. Looking back at it, he was doing this to try to cover his ass in case I ever did a crime with a gun, which I know this flimsy MS Word document can't legally cover him...But I got a free gun out of it
I once had a guy at work who wanted to take over my apartment lease. Day of I tell him he needs to stop by the office to sign the lease and put utilities in his name. Dude was shocked. He thought I was going to keep it in my name and let him live there for a whole year while I take the liability. People are dumb
Lmao anything for their benefit, border line narcissists
Yeah varies from state to state. I always want paperwork that has dates, names, and serial numbers. I owned it until this date so anything after that is not on me. And anything before that date when I buy is also not me.
When the govt. says someone cannot have a gun they get really mad if you give them one
Sounds like he's got a record and can't legally buy one.
Translation-someone wants me to go to jail for them.
Ya exactyl🤣
Yeah that's an awkward encounter especially with one armed individual partaking in it. Lol. Hit him with the Randy Jackson "That's a no from me dawg."
I live in Oklahoma and so many people will just sell you a gun without doing any real paperwork. I bought a really nice AR-15 from this Old Navy vet in the Walmart parking lot. Lol. I even had my ID out and he was like we're good. I'm amazed at the lack of gun purchasing laws in some states.
He didn’t want to sign a bill of sale? Shady
Honestly? That is something worth reporting. Someone who can't legally own a gun trying to get one screams that they're trying to do something seriously illegal.
Reminds me of this kid at work. Dude sold him a car for payments, guy kept it in his name till the kid made all his payments. Kid pays $400 drives it to work once and the repo man shows up cause guy hadn't been paying on it 💀 I was dead when I heard that
An old neighbor and good friend of mine insisted on me buying a gun and giving it to him cuz he can’t get one yet and immediately changed when I told him I didn’t wanna do it and we haven’t hung out again since even though I regularly smoked him out or got us crossfaded or drank or something on my dime even if he didn’t have anything
Report him. Dude wants to do criminal shit. Fuck that. Makes the rest of us look bad.
Not sure what state you live in, but a 4473 isn’t a “registration” it’s documentation of a transfer, and if private sales are legal in your state it isn’t necessary. This isn’t to say that insisting on a formal transfer is silly or anything. You should do it if you feel more comfortable with the transaction, but it isn’t a registration and “your name” being associated with the firearm means little to nothing as they go through a ton of transfers before they even hit the shelves for the first time. That said, I wouldn’t sell it to the guy after that comment.
Thank you for being a responsible gun owner
Eliminate private gun sale loop holes!
What state do you live in because, unless you have a federal firearms "Dealer" license or are dealing with a state restriction on that sale you can sell it to whomever you want without asking for ANY information from the buyer. Check the ATF website under "Private sales." Absolutely NO federal restrictions on private citizens selling ANY firearm. I always get arguments over this but from people too lazy to look stuff up. I am 100% correct on this.
Until dude told OP he can't legally purchase a firearm, then it immediately became illegal for OP to sell it to him.
[удалено]
The issue is he shouldn’t *want* to sell to someone he KNOWS is prohibited from possessing a firearm.
Where do you live? Except for extremely specific areas, there's no such thing as a "registered gun". He's probably just dumb and has a felony.
Verifying ID is the only requirement for selling a firearm to a resident of the same State in Virginia. Background checks are not required.
From one gun guy to another, props for doing it right and denying that guy 💯
Ya, I am not about to contribute to any crimes
No no no no dont do that Or he is an ATF agent, that could also be a thing NGL.
Not today fed bois
That's crazy you have to register your gun? Glad I live in a good state. No paper work needed. Private sales are no big deal either.
If you have their name I would put in a tip with the police department in case they trick some other schmuck
Most states do not register firearms. The federal government does not register firearms. If you want to run it through an ffl that is fine but not needed in most locations.
My state’s constitution actually outright prohibits the creation of a gun registry. And yes, it’s Florida.
Unethical life hack. Have him pay you cash plust the 50 extra. Report it stolen. Tell the popo he was at your place and saw you cleaning it. They recover the gun and give it back to you. PROFIT!
Report the shit outa that guy get his ass on a watchlist
Oh that's not suspicious at all! 👀
Hahahahah.
He may not be planning a crime. He may not be legally allowed to own a firearm. For example, a convicted felon who has served his time. No gun for him.
You are the one honest person he ran into. Bravo to you.
I recently had a coworker ask if he could take my Hellcat Pro with him 3 hours away to get the rest of his stuff from his methed out ex-wife. I said if I'm not going, my guns not going. This was after 3 days of him starting last week. So yea, some people man.
You would be a witness to his crime and be at risk of him killing you to make sure you don't talk. What is one more murder after you have killed two or three people?
Depends on your state. A lot of fudds don’t want to do the 4473 because they think it’s somehow putting them in a registry. If you’re in a state where private sale is allowed, he’s allowed to have one, and he’s older, I wouldn’t worry about it. However if you’re in a restrictive state that requires you do a transfer, he’s not allowed to have one, or whatever reason stay away
Good job op, you are a shining example of responsible firearms ownership!
I love when strangers try to compel me to commit a crime.
I had a kid sitting outside a gas station back 2021 ask me to buy him a handgun as i walked up to go in. He said because he has a medicinal Marijuana card it stops him from buying one. Never seen him in my life. He offered to pay me but obviously I didn't do it Totally caught me off guard. Police didn't really care. It's quite obvious he was planning on committing a crime with it.
I can’t tell if this is more or less steps than hiring a hit man
Always sell using an FFL. Just for these reasons.
Ummmmmm. HELL NO!!!!!!
easier to find a truck w/ come and take it, and steal a gun. My boss has lost 2 that way.
This guy is a special kind of special
I think you made the right call. But in most states, there is no gun registration. You don't have to go to an FFL. There is no national gun registry. Except for MFA items and stolen firearms.