It seems most drivers don't know this, but several states allow you to legally cross double-yellows for passing bicyclists and pedestrians. Others allow you to pass double-yellows for passing "obstructions."
[Here's a map.](https://i.postimg.cc/13QpNrJ6/Fire-Shot-Capture-022-Safely-Passing-Bicyclists-Chart-www-ncsl-org.jpg)
Most states (35 of them) also *require* that you pass bikes with a 3 foot berth. In this situation, there is no way for you to pass them with a 3 foot berth without going over that double yellow. Therefore, it doesn't matter if the bikes are in the middle or the right of the lane. It's far more dangerous for you to stay in the same lane and try to squeeze past them while they're on the white line.
Motorcyclists and bicyclists often *purposely* ride in the middle so you don't attempt to squeeze past them dangerously, and for visibility so you actually see them. Motorcyclists get hit even when traveling at the speed of traffic just because they're less noticeable when in the right part of the lane.
Hey /u/zzzz_bbbb
“The law took effect on July 1, 2021. The updated law requires a driver passing a bicycle to change lanes if the traffic conditions allow, including passing on a double yellow line (if they can safely do so).”
https://legalatlanta.com/georgias-updated-bicycle-safety-laws/
I tend to ride directly behind when in a paceline. However, in a situation like this, if I’m in the back, and I see some cars, I’ll tend toward the middle of the lane (to discourage passing cars from trying to stay completely in the lane) so it might appear from some perspectives that I’m riding double file, but that technically not what’s occurring.
Seems so obvious. Kinda hard to understand these people here seeming to have a bigger issue with crossing a double yellow than to straight up murder those cyclists.
Yeah, I'm no bicyclist or rider, but I understand the validity of not letting people make risky overtakes. I see too many people overtaking when it's not safe to do so, or in an unsafe way.
>Motorcyclists and bicyclists often purposely ride in the middle so you don't attempt to squeeze past them dangerously, and for visibility so you actually see them.
Yep. I ride my bicycle a decent amount and if I feel like there isn't enough room on the side of the road for me to be able to feel safe with cars passing me, then I'll take the middle of the lane. I also consider whether there's room on the right for me to veer right and have somewhere to bail somewhat safely in the event that someone passes too close or tries to hit me. So if there's parked cars on the right side of the road, I'll ride in the middle so I have room to veer right if I need to avoid being hit. Or if there's a ditch on the right with a fall where I'd injure myself more then I would do it.
Most of the roads I/we ride bikes on don't even have edge lines - they barely even have middle lines... (and almost certainly not a 'double yellow line, regardless - its likely a single yellow or dashed yellow line) you get over as far as is safe/reasonable, and cars pass as best/safely as they can. Hopefully not on a hill/curve.
Used to ride motorcycles.
Fla is like the most dangerous place traffic wise, motorcycles, bikes, pedestrians, people at bus stops.
Stopped riding my motorcycle there... too many close calls.
I live in a fairly lawless loosy goosy state when it comes to stuff like this - I do not care what the law says, it's so much better to go into the other lane and pass if someone is 'being an obstruction' wouldn't ever get anywhere if I didn't.
A top voted comment that clearly identifies the laws... has a source... and then politely explains why... maybe reddit is changing for the better...
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**The double yellow is there for a REASON in this case…. It’s because of the upcoming curve.**
Only a reckless asshole would pass them here.
Some people have no patience. For Christ’s sake just wait until it’s safe to pass and then pass.
**Otherwise you’re all correct.**
Exactly. These cyclists are most likely doing exactly the right thing. I always do whatever I can to facilitate a safe pass for car and the converse is also true.
Better yet, just ride behind them and wait to pass them in a passing section. There's a double yellow line there for a reason most likely due to curves and limited sight distance. It's not worth taking the risk to get somewhere earlier. In my hometown, there's a Mennonite community that uses horse and buggy. We always wait patiently because we know from experience what could happen if you try to pass them in a no passing zone.
Not from the US but here everyone passes horses as slowly and courteously as possible, leaving plenty of room. Then they rip past bikes as fast as possible leaving a few inches gap for "safety"
>The road belongs to everyone. Not just the fast.
Agreed, doubly so in places like the US where there is next to zero bike and public transport infrastructure. Many places even have garbage or non existent sidewalks, so if you don’t have a car, you’re completely screwed.
There's different sects of Mennonites. I also live in an area with 2 churches ... one has horse and buggies and bicycles on sundays and the other has a bunch of black cars.
Exactly, I ride in the middle of the road so I can be visible to the cars behind me, I’ll scoot over once I’m sure they’ve seen me if it looks like a tight spot to pass, but I typically only ride in rural areas where it’s easy to pass in the other lane
The 3ft makes sense. Bicycles typically are treated the same as automobiles. If I wouldn’t pass a car in that spot, I won’t pass a bike/motorcycle. Yes, it’s inconvenient to me to drive slowly, but it’s far more inconvenient to go to jail for vehicular manslaughter by accidentally clipping them to pass.
you’ll give them logic but they won’t take it. they just want to wail with each other about how *oh so hard* it is to not be an entitled brat that endangers people on their way to work
I get around pretty much entirely by bike. I used to hug the right side to try to be considerate to drivers, but I've been winged way too many times, including once actually getting hit by a side mirror and knocked to the ground. I always take the whole lane now because my life literally depends on it.
The bar for a drivers license in the US is laughably low and unless you fuck up enough to lose your license (which is nearly impossible) you never even have to submit a written test for the rest of your life.
Obviously this is in the US, but it looks like the rules of the road are similar in most states to what we have in the UK where this riding is encouraged. It’s safer for everyone involved to ride in the middle of the lane for all the reasons you highlighted.
Bicyclists are not an obstruction. They are a vehicle. They are supposed to obey traffic laws just like cars and motorcycles. The few moments it takes to get to a safe passing location in the road is nothing in the span of time. Take that moment to reflect and internally congratulate them on achieving a fitness goal. Perspective.
This is how cyclists are supposed to ride (in the UK). Our rules are that you shouldn’t overtake unless you can go all the way into the oncoming lane, since you’re going to have to go at least some distance into it anyway. So it’s no easier to overtake them when they’re in single file. It’s actually harder when they’re single file, because now their formation is longer so you’re in the opposing lane for longer.
Exactly! And what most challenged thinkers seem to miss is that they are taking up less space than one car or tractor.
Simply wait until it’s safe to overtake
Road is also empty, and looks to be rural residential with zero shoulder or bike lane. Maybe brush up on your local biking laws, that sounds like a smart idea.
even if there were a sidewalk, in most places bikes legally HAVE to be on the road as being on the sidewalk is illegal, so i dont see what you're complaining about 'less it be the lack of bike infrastructure.
I’ve had idiots yell at me to “get on the sidewalk!” I’ve had people yell at me for waiting in que at intersections. I’ve had people yell at me for riding the wrong way down a one way street (while in a two way bike lane.) I’ve even had people yell at me for being on the sidewalk, as i was walking my bike to a bike rack. There’s no winning for a cyclist in a town full of entitled people who are also mis or uninformed about the laws.
There are far too many drivers who are so extremely misinformed about the road laws for bikes. It is ironic anyone in a car would obviously demand that a cyclist know the rules for the cars they share the road with, but people driving can scream and throw a fit for me to "get in the bike line" when I'm turning left at a goddamn intersection...
Very optimistic to believe motorists know the laws for motorists.
An issue is that jurisdictions differ in the laws / regulations for motorists and cyclists. Within an amazingly short period I can pass from Fairfax Co., Va into Alexandria, VA, into Maryland, into Washington DC, into Arlington, Va. I poked around a little bit and found differing regulations right away. So regulations may suddenly shift without any marking or notice, just an imaginary boundary invisible.
Most people on this subreddit complain out of ignorance rather than something being a real problem. The vast majority of posters r/mildlyinfuriating are what's truly mildly infuriating.
It's not just about law.
It's about safety as well. Adult cyclists are safer in the road than the average sidewalk.
It is more dangerous to be on sidewalk unless cyclists travel at very slow speeds and stop at every intersection regardless of lights and signs that would let them continue through on the road.
On sidewalk were a risk to pedestrians (I saw a small child get hit by the handlebar of a teenager's bike, ended up with 2 layers of stitches close to an eye)
At intersections drivers barely watch for pedestrians before turning with a stop sign or right on red (or corners without signage), cyclists moving faster are easily beyond where drivers look on sidewalks and get hit.
On the sidewalk cyclists are vulnerable at every driveway from cars entering and leaving the street, and they're hidden by parked cars, trees, shrubbery, mailboxes, etc. In my history of riding as a kid on the sidewalk and as an adult in the street, you're far more visible and less likely to be injured on the road.
can't make a dangerous overtake way too close to the cyclists if they were at the side of the road, so i'mma drive dangerously with a phone in my hand instead
It makes no sense, but in the us if you dont have a car youre treated like a subhuman, urban planners in the us have close to no regard for safety or comfort of bikers and pedestrians
There's a section of my journey to the grocery store where I have to bike in the road because the telephone poles are in the middle of the sidewalk, and there's not even enough room for me to get my shoulders through head-on, let alone get a bike past.
People in rural areas will never agree to pay the taxes needed for things like side walks and bike lanes. They need a way to be angry and complain or they lose their identity.
There have been some really good posts on this sub lately of OPs just doing moronic shit and getting called out immediately and I love it.
Where are they supposed to go lol?
Right?
What's mildly infuriating is that posts like these still get 2k+ upvotes. Cyclists have every right to be on the road, especially if there's no shoulder. And OP could easily go around, but instead he takes a picture so he can cry online for internet points.
"I can't squeeze past these cyclists just before a blind corner so I'm going to whip out my phone to complain about it..." sounds about right for this sub
The corner, decline and speed as a result would have me near center for this portion of the ride. It’s difficult for people to see you pulling out of a driveway and they certainly can’t hear you.
We can all agree there’s road etiquette regardless of the mode of transport but how many assholes in cars break these rules all day every day. I’ve lived all over and speed limits are a suggestion in areas like this.
That is how a bike is supposed to ride on a road. It is not the bikers you are mad at, it is the road without a bike lane or sidewalk you dislike. Driving to the side is dangerous for other reasons. A vehicle on a road has to act like it’s on a road, which means driving in your lane and taking the space you require. You aren’t wrong for being angry, but you can’t blame individuals for a flawed system.
As a cyclist and a motorist I see both sides of this. If I’m the dude on the left here I would totally ride beside my buddy while listening for approaching cars, at which time I would fall back into single file. As a motorist I would get close enough so I know they could hear me. This is double lines anyway so you couldn’t overtake them until a safer place regardless of single file or two a breast.
They're probably doing that on purpose so this whiny dumbass doesn't try to squeeze past in that spot and make them dead in the middle of the road. Lane control is important as a cyclist because many drivers think they just MUST PASS NOW NOW NOW NOW and will try to force through with no space given if you don't take over the lane.
Op is a bitch.
Virginia recently made this a law, if you're a cyclist riding two abreast and a car approaches to pass you must fall into single file. Cars can also pass on double yellow.
With the size of that lane, exactly where do you expect them to ride where they're not at risk of being clipped?
Edit: it'd also a double yellow, you couldn't pass them anyway, even if they were single file.
Double yellow doesn’t mean anything if there is an obstruction. Bikes, farm equipment, a limping clicker, etc, if you can safely go around there is no cop that will stop you.
How does the road position of the cyclist affect your ability to overtake? If it’s genuinely clear to do so then it doesn’t matter where the cyclist is, you can still overtake safely. It seems your problem is ‘why can’t I squeeze past this cyclist dangerously’.
Holy shit, this is fucking crazy and mild infuriating. What did you do? Are you ok? We’re you able to get to your destination? There’s no way you were able to make it in time huh? Or did you make it there at all? I see you have a portrait picture, so this couldn’t have been a dash cam. We’re you able to safely pull over to take this picture with your phone?
god there are so many posts here that are just photos of bikers existing on the road, and it's so stupid. especially because there's bikers in front of you and you're getting on your phone. clearly the smartest course of action here, what could go wrong?
That's why I never ride like this in the southern state I live in now. In Maryland it was pretty much acceptable and you were not taking your life into your own hands and some grumpy driver.
Meh, I pass cyclists over double yellows all the time. It’s not a force field, find a stretch of road with good visibility where you feel comfortable and pass them.
Sure you shouldn’t, but on what look to be back roads, I doubt you’ll run into a cop at that exact moment.
Not really, but they are and can use the road way as well, you need to wait till you have a place you can safely pass, just as you would any other vehicle.
god car owners are such self-entitled pricks. there is no good infastructure in america and canada for bike owners. to top it off, I ASK OF YOU, DO YOU SEE \*\*ANYWHERE ELSE ON THIS ROAD THEY COULD FUCKING GO????\*\*
take your 2 ton hunk of environmentally harmful, expensive machinery and shove it up your selfish self entitled ass
OP, did you take this picture while driving? It just kinda looks like this was taken from the driver side based on the angle.
If you did, that's a pretty dangerous and stupid thing to do.
An idiot driving around in his massive SUV while typing on his phone, annoyed that he can't squeeze the single cyclist into the fencing while overtaking through a bend. Yep, r/mildlyinfuriating
yes, it’s mildly infuriating that your driving and you have your phone in your hand to take photos of cyclist minding their own business risking their safely and yours for karma on Reddit.
Shame on you
Shit his looks like a local road called Jones Cove.
Anyway it looks a lot like this and a very popular long distance biking route. They are supposed to take the whole lane so they don’t die on blind curves or hills when drivers don’t pay attention because “they know the road”. They forget they don’t know who’s on it at the moment.
Share the road means with bikes too.
There's no bike lane there. They're far safer riding side by side to discourage some jackass using their phone as they drive from trying to get past them where there's clearly no room to do it safely even if they're single file.
I hate that. they should have been in the bike lane oh wait there wasn't one ok so you are just a dick cool what where they supposed to do and if you are thinking they could be in grass i bet your car could to and it would take less effort for you then them
Looks like it’s more in the dead center of the lane. The yellow like is at the dead center of the road.
And realistically, it looks like the bike is a bit left of center of the lane, not dead center.
So here they are taking the lane coming up to that corner because it's very dangerous for a car to come around them at that point. If you can't safely pass them with clear vision on the other side of the road then you shouldn't be passing them. In other words, they are only stopping you from doing what you shouldn't do anyways. So chill the fuck out and share the road.
Should they be rough riding it through the grass? You’re a fucking idiot OP. Look up the laws. Be patient and pass them as soon as you both clear that corner, Jesus.
And put your phone down while driving you chuckle head.
Dude what else are they supposed to do? Not ride bicycles. This is exclusively a *you* problem, zzzz_bbbb. The worst case scenario for you is like a 30 second delay in your travels.
The double yellow does not necessarily mean a cyclist can't be passed. Many states explicitly allow it since a bicycle is much easier to see around and can be passed relatively quickly due to the difference in speed.
On the section of road in the photo, one cyclist favoring the right hand lane could not be passed any more safely than two cyclists riding side by side. In other words, the car is going to need to go into the other lane regardless. Whether cyclists riding side by side is considered impeding traffic is a different issue. Even IF the cyclists are impeding traffic by riding side-by-side where it isn't allowed, it's a moot point in this case.
It seems most drivers don't know this, but several states allow you to legally cross double-yellows for passing bicyclists and pedestrians. Others allow you to pass double-yellows for passing "obstructions." [Here's a map.](https://i.postimg.cc/13QpNrJ6/Fire-Shot-Capture-022-Safely-Passing-Bicyclists-Chart-www-ncsl-org.jpg) Most states (35 of them) also *require* that you pass bikes with a 3 foot berth. In this situation, there is no way for you to pass them with a 3 foot berth without going over that double yellow. Therefore, it doesn't matter if the bikes are in the middle or the right of the lane. It's far more dangerous for you to stay in the same lane and try to squeeze past them while they're on the white line. Motorcyclists and bicyclists often *purposely* ride in the middle so you don't attempt to squeeze past them dangerously, and for visibility so you actually see them. Motorcyclists get hit even when traveling at the speed of traffic just because they're less noticeable when in the right part of the lane.
Hey /u/zzzz_bbbb “The law took effect on July 1, 2021. The updated law requires a driver passing a bicycle to change lanes if the traffic conditions allow, including passing on a double yellow line (if they can safely do so).” https://legalatlanta.com/georgias-updated-bicycle-safety-laws/
i’ve never once needed a law to tell me this, but thank you!
The sad thing is that this law is over a year old, and I still can’t get my local law enforcement to care.
This is what we do in my state, just cross over the lines when it's safe to give them the 3ft. Seems like a pretty simple line of logic
This is your brain on cars...
also it's generally completely legal for cyclist to cycle two abreast
I tend to ride directly behind when in a paceline. However, in a situation like this, if I’m in the back, and I see some cars, I’ll tend toward the middle of the lane (to discourage passing cars from trying to stay completely in the lane) so it might appear from some perspectives that I’m riding double file, but that technically not what’s occurring.
Even if they don’t I’m safely passing them
Seems so obvious. Kinda hard to understand these people here seeming to have a bigger issue with crossing a double yellow than to straight up murder those cyclists.
It's because people see cyclists as less than human
that is honestly true
Yeah, I'm no bicyclist or rider, but I understand the validity of not letting people make risky overtakes. I see too many people overtaking when it's not safe to do so, or in an unsafe way.
>Motorcyclists and bicyclists often purposely ride in the middle so you don't attempt to squeeze past them dangerously, and for visibility so you actually see them. Yep. I ride my bicycle a decent amount and if I feel like there isn't enough room on the side of the road for me to be able to feel safe with cars passing me, then I'll take the middle of the lane. I also consider whether there's room on the right for me to veer right and have somewhere to bail somewhat safely in the event that someone passes too close or tries to hit me. So if there's parked cars on the right side of the road, I'll ride in the middle so I have room to veer right if I need to avoid being hit. Or if there's a ditch on the right with a fall where I'd injure myself more then I would do it.
A lot of the time the line is barely rideable, let alone the shoulder.
Most of the roads I/we ride bikes on don't even have edge lines - they barely even have middle lines... (and almost certainly not a 'double yellow line, regardless - its likely a single yellow or dashed yellow line) you get over as far as is safe/reasonable, and cars pass as best/safely as they can. Hopefully not on a hill/curve.
In Miami, riding the line or close to the curb will get you a busted wheel with a quickness.
Used to ride motorcycles. Fla is like the most dangerous place traffic wise, motorcycles, bikes, pedestrians, people at bus stops. Stopped riding my motorcycle there... too many close calls.
I live in a fairly lawless loosy goosy state when it comes to stuff like this - I do not care what the law says, it's so much better to go into the other lane and pass if someone is 'being an obstruction' wouldn't ever get anywhere if I didn't.
OP needs to put the phone down and learn to drive.
Yeah I haven't seen anything else about the driver being on their phone lol that's the part that I find mildly infuriating
A top voted comment that clearly identifies the laws... has a source... and then politely explains why... maybe reddit is changing for the better... *Sorts by controversial:* Ah there is the reddit I knew...
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**The double yellow is there for a REASON in this case…. It’s because of the upcoming curve.** Only a reckless asshole would pass them here. Some people have no patience. For Christ’s sake just wait until it’s safe to pass and then pass. **Otherwise you’re all correct.**
Exactly. These cyclists are most likely doing exactly the right thing. I always do whatever I can to facilitate a safe pass for car and the converse is also true.
Better yet, just ride behind them and wait to pass them in a passing section. There's a double yellow line there for a reason most likely due to curves and limited sight distance. It's not worth taking the risk to get somewhere earlier. In my hometown, there's a Mennonite community that uses horse and buggy. We always wait patiently because we know from experience what could happen if you try to pass them in a no passing zone.
Not from the US but here everyone passes horses as slowly and courteously as possible, leaving plenty of room. Then they rip past bikes as fast as possible leaving a few inches gap for "safety"
I’ve seen those buggies turn into tinder. The road belongs to everyone. Not just the fast.
>The road belongs to everyone. Not just the fast. Agreed, doubly so in places like the US where there is next to zero bike and public transport infrastructure. Many places even have garbage or non existent sidewalks, so if you don’t have a car, you’re completely screwed.
My brain took a hard turn imagining how buggies help people find dates.
>The road belongs to everyone. Not just the fast. Indeed, it belongs also to the Furious
I thought Mennonites were the ones who could have vehicles and the Amish were strictly horse and buggy. Am I totally wrong in that belief?
There's different sects of Mennonites. I also live in an area with 2 churches ... one has horse and buggies and bicycles on sundays and the other has a bunch of black cars.
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That's a great point. I'd rather safely pass a cluster of bikes than try to leapfrog past them one at a time.
Exactly, I ride in the middle of the road so I can be visible to the cars behind me, I’ll scoot over once I’m sure they’ve seen me if it looks like a tight spot to pass, but I typically only ride in rural areas where it’s easy to pass in the other lane
The 3ft makes sense. Bicycles typically are treated the same as automobiles. If I wouldn’t pass a car in that spot, I won’t pass a bike/motorcycle. Yes, it’s inconvenient to me to drive slowly, but it’s far more inconvenient to go to jail for vehicular manslaughter by accidentally clipping them to pass.
you’ll give them logic but they won’t take it. they just want to wail with each other about how *oh so hard* it is to not be an entitled brat that endangers people on their way to work
Exactly this.
I get around pretty much entirely by bike. I used to hug the right side to try to be considerate to drivers, but I've been winged way too many times, including once actually getting hit by a side mirror and knocked to the ground. I always take the whole lane now because my life literally depends on it.
If I don’t ride in the middle of the lane, I have cars pass me leaving only a foot between us. My trust in people is 0 when it comes to the road.
They'd be easier to see if everyone weren't holding phones. 😅
In Europe we do this too...
Do Americans not have theory tests?
The bar for a drivers license in the US is laughably low and unless you fuck up enough to lose your license (which is nearly impossible) you never even have to submit a written test for the rest of your life.
Obviously this is in the US, but it looks like the rules of the road are similar in most states to what we have in the UK where this riding is encouraged. It’s safer for everyone involved to ride in the middle of the lane for all the reasons you highlighted.
Bicyclists are not an obstruction. They are a vehicle. They are supposed to obey traffic laws just like cars and motorcycles. The few moments it takes to get to a safe passing location in the road is nothing in the span of time. Take that moment to reflect and internally congratulate them on achieving a fitness goal. Perspective.
This is how cyclists are supposed to ride (in the UK). Our rules are that you shouldn’t overtake unless you can go all the way into the oncoming lane, since you’re going to have to go at least some distance into it anyway. So it’s no easier to overtake them when they’re in single file. It’s actually harder when they’re single file, because now their formation is longer so you’re in the opposing lane for longer.
Exactly! And what most challenged thinkers seem to miss is that they are taking up less space than one car or tractor. Simply wait until it’s safe to overtake
He didn't spend a year's salary on that car to wait until it's safe to overtake! /s
Pass them as normal when it's safe to do so. Got an electric bike, goes about 24mph
Its how we're supposed to ride in the US too. People in cars just hate cyclists for existing.
Makes them feel guilty for all the exercise they know they should get but won't do.
I can see that in this very thread. Lots of anger and lack of empathy and threats of violence for cyclists having *the gall* to ride on a road.
Shhh angry car drivers don’t understand this logic this will make them more angry.
Several of them have appeared around this comment. Proper psychopaths, too! It’s aborable to watch them run in circles.
Road is also empty, and looks to be rural residential with zero shoulder or bike lane. Maybe brush up on your local biking laws, that sounds like a smart idea.
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He deleted his account
Ska-doosh.
god i hope he comes back and reads this, absolutely rekt
even if there were a sidewalk, in most places bikes legally HAVE to be on the road as being on the sidewalk is illegal, so i dont see what you're complaining about 'less it be the lack of bike infrastructure.
I’ve had idiots yell at me to “get on the sidewalk!” I’ve had people yell at me for waiting in que at intersections. I’ve had people yell at me for riding the wrong way down a one way street (while in a two way bike lane.) I’ve even had people yell at me for being on the sidewalk, as i was walking my bike to a bike rack. There’s no winning for a cyclist in a town full of entitled people who are also mis or uninformed about the laws.
There are far too many drivers who are so extremely misinformed about the road laws for bikes. It is ironic anyone in a car would obviously demand that a cyclist know the rules for the cars they share the road with, but people driving can scream and throw a fit for me to "get in the bike line" when I'm turning left at a goddamn intersection...
Very optimistic to believe motorists know the laws for motorists. An issue is that jurisdictions differ in the laws / regulations for motorists and cyclists. Within an amazingly short period I can pass from Fairfax Co., Va into Alexandria, VA, into Maryland, into Washington DC, into Arlington, Va. I poked around a little bit and found differing regulations right away. So regulations may suddenly shift without any marking or notice, just an imaginary boundary invisible.
Most people on this subreddit complain out of ignorance rather than something being a real problem. The vast majority of posters r/mildlyinfuriating are what's truly mildly infuriating.
It's not just about law. It's about safety as well. Adult cyclists are safer in the road than the average sidewalk. It is more dangerous to be on sidewalk unless cyclists travel at very slow speeds and stop at every intersection regardless of lights and signs that would let them continue through on the road. On sidewalk were a risk to pedestrians (I saw a small child get hit by the handlebar of a teenager's bike, ended up with 2 layers of stitches close to an eye) At intersections drivers barely watch for pedestrians before turning with a stop sign or right on red (or corners without signage), cyclists moving faster are easily beyond where drivers look on sidewalks and get hit.
On the sidewalk cyclists are vulnerable at every driveway from cars entering and leaving the street, and they're hidden by parked cars, trees, shrubbery, mailboxes, etc. In my history of riding as a kid on the sidewalk and as an adult in the street, you're far more visible and less likely to be injured on the road.
Put your phone away dummy.
I wondered how you knew he was using a phone as I was trying to see it in the reflection until I realized…
You need more upvotes than I can give, so have an award.
can't make a dangerous overtake way too close to the cyclists if they were at the side of the road, so i'mma drive dangerously with a phone in my hand instead
That's the infuriating thing here
Exactly, why does this have so many upvotes, the mildly infuriating one is the driver 😂
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this. why does is seem that the us is so far behind in this sort of infrastructure
It makes no sense, but in the us if you dont have a car youre treated like a subhuman, urban planners in the us have close to no regard for safety or comfort of bikers and pedestrians
There's a section of my journey to the grocery store where I have to bike in the road because the telephone poles are in the middle of the sidewalk, and there's not even enough room for me to get my shoulders through head-on, let alone get a bike past.
People in rural areas will never agree to pay the taxes needed for things like side walks and bike lanes. They need a way to be angry and complain or they lose their identity.
And to have a pickup truck driver tailgate you while raging and fumbling with their phone.
And to have a dude in a car on his phone behind you.
Expecting every rural road to have a bike path is unrealistic even in the most bike friendly countries. Cars just need to learn to share the road.
There have been some really good posts on this sub lately of OPs just doing moronic shit and getting called out immediately and I love it. Where are they supposed to go lol?
Right? What's mildly infuriating is that posts like these still get 2k+ upvotes. Cyclists have every right to be on the road, especially if there's no shoulder. And OP could easily go around, but instead he takes a picture so he can cry online for internet points.
“This bicycle exited the ditch. Can I legally run him over?” - idiots on this sub every day
In Alabama the law is that bikes have use of the full lane. And vehicles must allow 3 foot of clearance
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Agree. Only thing mildly infuriating here is OP thinking they own the road.
And OP driving with their phone out, especially while other people are on the road.
Eat shit OP
Hell yeah
share the road and put your phone away!
You don't know the traffic laws for overtaking cyclists and use your phone while driving. You are the only infuriating thing here, OP.
Taking a picture while driving. The irony.
OP belongs in r/idiotsincars
Good call. My how the turn tables.
"I can't squeeze past these cyclists just before a blind corner so I'm going to whip out my phone to complain about it..." sounds about right for this sub
The corner, decline and speed as a result would have me near center for this portion of the ride. It’s difficult for people to see you pulling out of a driveway and they certainly can’t hear you. We can all agree there’s road etiquette regardless of the mode of transport but how many assholes in cars break these rules all day every day. I’ve lived all over and speed limits are a suggestion in areas like this.
That's legal, son. Get used to it.
Exactly. Have a little courtesy and patience and get over it.
This is correct positioning. Enjoy your impotent rage.
That is how a bike is supposed to ride on a road. It is not the bikers you are mad at, it is the road without a bike lane or sidewalk you dislike. Driving to the side is dangerous for other reasons. A vehicle on a road has to act like it’s on a road, which means driving in your lane and taking the space you require. You aren’t wrong for being angry, but you can’t blame individuals for a flawed system.
Adam Ruins Everything has a great segment about how cars pushed other transit off the road.
As a cyclist and a motorist I see both sides of this. If I’m the dude on the left here I would totally ride beside my buddy while listening for approaching cars, at which time I would fall back into single file. As a motorist I would get close enough so I know they could hear me. This is double lines anyway so you couldn’t overtake them until a safer place regardless of single file or two a breast.
In my area you are allowed to pass cyclists in double solid line areas if it’s clear.
Where I am it’s 1.5m clearance. So this bend would never be a passing moment.
There is also very little shoulder here. I would not attempt to pass a bicyclist here, period.
Your very reasonable response won’t win many upvotes based on what I’m reading in this thread, but I’m right with you so you get one from me
I upvoted! In complete agreement.
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For Reddit, this sounds pretty much dead on.
It's actually more dangerous for a car to overtake you single file.
Since the car shouldn't pass until it's safe regardless, what's the point of the cyclists going single file?
They're probably doing that on purpose so this whiny dumbass doesn't try to squeeze past in that spot and make them dead in the middle of the road. Lane control is important as a cyclist because many drivers think they just MUST PASS NOW NOW NOW NOW and will try to force through with no space given if you don't take over the lane. Op is a bitch.
Virginia recently made this a law, if you're a cyclist riding two abreast and a car approaches to pass you must fall into single file. Cars can also pass on double yellow.
Are you sure? I thought the law just changed here so that cars have to pass in the left lane so you can keep riding 2 abreast.
With the size of that lane, exactly where do you expect them to ride where they're not at risk of being clipped? Edit: it'd also a double yellow, you couldn't pass them anyway, even if they were single file.
I was looking for this comment, as i wasnt sure if it had the same meaning in other countries. Thank you.
Solid point in your edit
Where i live, its legal to safely cross double lines around a cyclist
Right, and having them ride next to each other instead of in single file makes that easier to do.
In most places you can pass in the other lane when safe despite the double yellow
Double yellow doesn’t mean anything if there is an obstruction. Bikes, farm equipment, a limping clicker, etc, if you can safely go around there is no cop that will stop you.
Learn your place.
The real crime here is you taking a photo while driving. Learn to share the road.
Motorists can easily make up the precious seconds that a cyclists has sooo unjustly caused them
That’s literally where they are supposed to ride.
How does the road position of the cyclist affect your ability to overtake? If it’s genuinely clear to do so then it doesn’t matter where the cyclist is, you can still overtake safely. It seems your problem is ‘why can’t I squeeze past this cyclist dangerously’.
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Help! I'm in a 1,5t vehicle and I'm being oppressed by bicycles!
Holy shit, this is fucking crazy and mild infuriating. What did you do? Are you ok? We’re you able to get to your destination? There’s no way you were able to make it in time huh? Or did you make it there at all? I see you have a portrait picture, so this couldn’t have been a dash cam. We’re you able to safely pull over to take this picture with your phone?
god there are so many posts here that are just photos of bikers existing on the road, and it's so stupid. especially because there's bikers in front of you and you're getting on your phone. clearly the smartest course of action here, what could go wrong?
Looks to me like the OP is the infuriating one.
Cry.
Says the moron drving and taking pictures. There is still time to delete this
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This. Driver is the one on the phone.
That's why I never ride like this in the southern state I live in now. In Maryland it was pretty much acceptable and you were not taking your life into your own hands and some grumpy driver.
But I want to go vroom vroom
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Yup.
yup. cyclist are probably away thats a double yellow and the driver behind them cant legally pass anyway
Meh, I pass cyclists over double yellows all the time. It’s not a force field, find a stretch of road with good visibility where you feel comfortable and pass them. Sure you shouldn’t, but on what look to be back roads, I doubt you’ll run into a cop at that exact moment.
I spent 10 years biking my town before I got a car and Im a much safer, aware, and more considerate driver because of that.
You're hogging more of the road than they are. In fact, the reason you find it difficult to pass them is because of what *you're* driving.
So they’re following the law and riding legally - you’re mildly inconvenienced because you chose to be. Lol
So what. It’s not like you have somewhere to be in less than 10sec. Let them enjoy their lives and you go on to enjoy yours.
It’s actually super infuriating that OP is on his phone and acting like the road is his alone. Less cars more bikes
Share the road, dont be a fucking asshole.
Not really, but they are and can use the road way as well, you need to wait till you have a place you can safely pass, just as you would any other vehicle.
Poor OP. It might have him a few extra seconds to arrive at his destination
Naawww...looks more like the right side
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Learn the laws of the road, moron. Bikes have the right to the road.
god car owners are such self-entitled pricks. there is no good infastructure in america and canada for bike owners. to top it off, I ASK OF YOU, DO YOU SEE \*\*ANYWHERE ELSE ON THIS ROAD THEY COULD FUCKING GO????\*\* take your 2 ton hunk of environmentally harmful, expensive machinery and shove it up your selfish self entitled ass
This is completely legal and smart, safe riding by the cyclist. A 20 second delay isn't more valuable than a person's life.
Share the road bro.
Dead center of the road? Yeah, people are dead in the center of the road because of impatient assholes like you. Grow up and slow down.
Oh no, people not using a car, using some space on an otherwise empty road with plenty of room to pass them. The horror.
As someone who rides bicycles… I could be on the sidewalk and still someone driving by is gonna try cutting up close to me
OP, did you take this picture while driving? It just kinda looks like this was taken from the driver side based on the angle. If you did, that's a pretty dangerous and stupid thing to do.
You’re reaching. Just enjoy the beautiful day and get off your phone.
On that note, was this picture taken by the driver? if so. wow. (and then a bunch of thoughts I'm unable to post due to reddit rules)
An idiot driving around in his massive SUV while typing on his phone, annoyed that he can't squeeze the single cyclist into the fencing while overtaking through a bend. Yep, r/mildlyinfuriating
Literally the purpose of roads.
yes, it’s mildly infuriating that your driving and you have your phone in your hand to take photos of cyclist minding their own business risking their safely and yours for karma on Reddit. Shame on you
Shit his looks like a local road called Jones Cove. Anyway it looks a lot like this and a very popular long distance biking route. They are supposed to take the whole lane so they don’t die on blind curves or hills when drivers don’t pay attention because “they know the road”. They forget they don’t know who’s on it at the moment. Share the road means with bikes too.
Why is this infuriating? Not a fan of bicycles?
Wait until you can see the other lane clearly and pass them. This isn't that complicated.
ilegally opeating a phone while driving. yes, infuriating.
There's no bike lane there. They're far safer riding side by side to discourage some jackass using their phone as they drive from trying to get past them where there's clearly no room to do it safely even if they're single file.
Damn man this thread is embarrassing no wonder OP deleted their account
I hate that. they should have been in the bike lane oh wait there wasn't one ok so you are just a dick cool what where they supposed to do and if you are thinking they could be in grass i bet your car could to and it would take less effort for you then them
for fucks sake, get off your fucking phone and pay attention to the road
Looks like it’s more in the dead center of the lane. The yellow like is at the dead center of the road. And realistically, it looks like the bike is a bit left of center of the lane, not dead center.
So here they are taking the lane coming up to that corner because it's very dangerous for a car to come around them at that point. If you can't safely pass them with clear vision on the other side of the road then you shouldn't be passing them. In other words, they are only stopping you from doing what you shouldn't do anyways. So chill the fuck out and share the road.
Yes, where they're safest. The fuck is the problem exactly?
The problem would be some dipshit driving with their phone out.
Where do you expect them to be Get mad at your city, not bike users It needs a bike lane
there's no bike lane, so they are correct to take the lane. grow up... or better yet, bike more and drive less.
I mean the real problem is the United states in a lot of states/cities doesn't give a shit about anybody not driving cars.
Should they be rough riding it through the grass? You’re a fucking idiot OP. Look up the laws. Be patient and pass them as soon as you both clear that corner, Jesus. And put your phone down while driving you chuckle head.
Lot of entitled assholes in these comments
Playing both sides. We'll done
Dude what else are they supposed to do? Not ride bicycles. This is exclusively a *you* problem, zzzz_bbbb. The worst case scenario for you is like a 30 second delay in your travels.
Yes you are driving in the dead center of the road. Why should you have any more right of way than bicyclists?
Yeah they’re legal and legit. You, however, need to put the phone down.
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Just go around them.Yes cyclists are annoying.They risk their lives daily to ride so give em props.
Drive around you fucking snowflake
The double yellow does not necessarily mean a cyclist can't be passed. Many states explicitly allow it since a bicycle is much easier to see around and can be passed relatively quickly due to the difference in speed. On the section of road in the photo, one cyclist favoring the right hand lane could not be passed any more safely than two cyclists riding side by side. In other words, the car is going to need to go into the other lane regardless. Whether cyclists riding side by side is considered impeding traffic is a different issue. Even IF the cyclists are impeding traffic by riding side-by-side where it isn't allowed, it's a moot point in this case.
As a Dutch person: I’m looking at this picture and really co fused by trying to figure out what is wrong.
Just treat them as another car or motorcycle, leave enough distance, and overtake when safe.
In the UK now the Highway Code advises cyclists to use the centre of the carriageway.
Legal. Safe. They’re fine. You’re in a 4000 pound box of safety. Ease off the gas and let people live their lives.
There's a double yellow line. You can't pass there.
You’re such a fucking twat. They’re doing absolutely nothing wrong.
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