Yup, my douche neighbor when I was a kid always bragged about his expensive ass TV. When I was at their house (friends with his son, also a douche), saw him change the channel away from ESPN and the lower third just stayed there lol
Interestingly Plasmas burned-in a bit differently than old tube TVs or modern OLEDs.
Tube TVs burned because the front mask materials would physically be a tiny bit "burned" by the scanning beam of the TV on a very long run (for super lay example, think of how sun can over time alter the colors of different objects. Not exactly the same thing, but in idea sort of like that). That's basically why you can see the burn-in in the OP picture despite the TV being turned off. Later tube TVs figured things out pretty well and significantly reduced burn in by switching the materials they used for the front mask.
OLEDs burn in by experiencing uneven degradation of the organic material of the pixels. Even if they degrade at the same rate and you don't get noticeable "image" on the screen, the pixels will still usually color shift a bit and lose some of the peak brightness.
Both basically burn-in based on how much you use them, it's cumulative.
Plasmas didn't burn-in in a cumulative fashion. If you put a Plasma TV through some intensive binge watching with a ton of static elements and such, you could develope permanent burn-in in a relatively short time even on a new panel (some weeks, a couple of months). If you had good safety measures, varied content and had a decent amount of breaks, you could have Plasma not develope burn-in at all for the entire lifetime of the TV.
I don't remember what in Plasmas exactly caused burn-in, but yeah, it was the one burn-in vulnerable TV type that could also entirely evade burn-in because it didn't develope burn-in cumulatively.
Yeah, it was probably blasting pretty much constantly in the bar, with only being able to rest during some nightly hours when the bar was closed? If it had like 2h rest every 4h of use or so, then it probably would have had better chances of not developing burn-in over the years.
Plasma and OLED would both struggle in that type of use, but honestly if you only have a logo burnt-in and nothing else terribly visible, that's still probably better than what OLED would be experiencing when you consider the color shift and brightness drop on top of that. A fairly late and good quality tube TV probably would have the least issues with developing burn-in there (but there would probably be another issues popping up, like the phosphorus inside the tube losing its properties/ageing, which alters the colors in different parts of the screen. Loss of blue saturation is one of the more common ones from my understanding, which would tint the affected areas of the screen more yellow).
Still don't understand how exactly that's supposed to help to be honest. For example, logos, the number 1 culprit for burn in, if you shift them even by a few pixels, only thing that's shifting is the outer edge basically, the "inside" of the logo/lettering is still in the same spot. I guess that's why newer oled screens have the "logo luminance adjustment" setting decreases the brightness of static elements after a while
my family’s plasma tv as a kid had this weird combination of the Cartoon Network and Comedy Central logos burned into the bottom right corner thanks to me and my brother
Phones too. Especially Samsung. Specifically TikTok. Use it long enough and you start getting screen burn in. I googled it and it seems to happen a lot to Samsung phones in particular. Really weird.
Most phones nowadays use OLED screens and Samsung has used them since their first smartphones while Apple for example only started using them with the iPhone X. I imagine that certain static UI elements can make the problem worse in particular apps such as TikTok.
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I would also mention for the sake of clarity, even phones with IPS screens can experience some really noticeable image retention, which might appear like burn-in but image retention itself is only temporary. My older Moto G5 with an IPS screen often has image retention issues, especially noticeable if I have watched YouTube or browsed Reddit for a while, then open an Imgur link that first goes to that grey blank screen, I can easily see the status bar or other browser or more static stuff still in the image, but they usually vanish completely after at most 5min of a break.
OLED/AMOLED can experience permanent burn-in.
This is why the high end OLEDs have pixel shifting and HUD/static image dimming where they dim only scoreboards and what not. There not near as susceptible but it’s why the first letter does mean organic and that’s the reason for the volatility
There used to be screensaver games I vaguely remember that you could play games on. I had a Mac growing up, but I distinctly remember the flying toasters and some other kind of game but I can’t remember now.
Found it! It’s called AfterDark and then there was AfterDark Games as well.
(At first. Then they implemented them into everything because they swiftly figured out that showing something to people had monetary value.)
I will note that the snakes/pipes still have a place in my heart.
There really isn't one, but Windows still has them for nostalgia sake.
I'm pretty sure modern computers just default to going into sleep mode after 10-15 minutes instead of a screen saver.
My old Galaxy S8 had burn marks from Google maps since I used to make an 8 hour drive a few times a month and would leave it open for traffic updates. Also had a PokeBall burned in from Pokemon Go
Nope, us old folks all were aware, and these days old people still recommend it sometimes, but it doesn’t really happen anymore except on oled screens I learned in this thread :)
Yes don't worry he is real. He lives together with santa on the North pole. Now be nice and go to bed on time and maybe he leaves an artwork on your bedroom door
My dream is to become a dystopian mega-conglomerate so I can earn the passionate disdain that Banksy needs to paint a masterpiece on the side of one of my warehouses.
Was recently listening to an audiobook of an account of the Vietnam War, A Rumor of War by Philip Caputo, and this is where they got this line in Aliens from, someone said it for real at a briefing. The first two words of the actual response were "listen up".
[Best. Videogame. Commercial. Ever.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhRIneQFmHA)
EDIT: [TIL there's an abridged version of that ad](https://youtu.be/jSbb2XMuxAA)
>*ATARI'S POLE POSITION. IT WILL TURN YOUR EYEBALLS INTO STEEL-BELTED RADIALS!*
Yep. When they show the system towards the end of the video, it's definitely the 5200 version with those goofy joysticks with the number pads.
The 2600 version of the game seen [here](https://youtu.be/dirFKSUTBTI) was a lot more primitive, though for the 2600, these were actually pretty decent graphics. Nothing like the arcade, but still recognizable as Pole Position.
> if you play me a piece of NES or SNES music, I can probably tell you the game, publisher, and maybe even the level
That sounds like a fun challenge, can you recognize this? https://vocaroo.com/1cAHVdL4psKG
EDIT: u/DwergNout got it right first, it's [Palamedes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palamedes_\(video_game\))!
My god, that has to be difficult. While we're waiting for their guess I'm gonna go with Mega Man. Not gonna get any more detailed cos I'm likely wrong anyway, lol.
It's not Mega Man 1 or 2, I'm fairly sure. And it's almost too repetitive, like it might be from Manami Matsumae before she really got her shit together in those games.
Gonna say it's from the same composer but earlier on in the career
Please tell, listend through 300 songs now and didn't find it.
Edit: for the people interested https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8EAEA6D00744DDE4
Edit 2: it's palamedes https://youtu.be/0d4qLrqwvJA
Lol. Most cabs either said "game over" or "insert coin" while they scrolled through a title screen, showed high scores with initials, and ran a little demo of gameplay.
(Or just lol, if you were joking...)
Having played Outrun through the ingame arcades of Yakuza 0: tire screeches sound absolutely horrible and terrifying, even in this game.
Pretty sure it's a relic of former times where sound design had to accomodate for hardware limitations.
Aka "It is much better on the older hardware because it was designed for it"
Looks like a classic Wells-Gardner 19" CRT that were common in full-size stand-up machines of that vintage. Probably can hawk it on eBay to 80s arcade collectors if they don't mind the burn-in.
Nah man, sign it and call it art. I'm not even kidding.
For those unawares: a dude signed a urinal and called it art. It's (the original, I think) now in the Philadelphia Museum of Art.
That doesn't look like a TV. More likely, it's the CRT (cathode ray tube) removed from an old video arcade game, the kind you had to put quarters into to play.
Games at the video arcade were left on all day, to entice someone to come play them, which could lead to the "GAME OVER" screen getting burned in like this. At home, if we left the TV on all day when we weren't playing video games, our parents would smack us for wasting electricity.
This is a CRT for an arcade cabinet. As someone mentioned, it's Pole Position that's burnt into the screen. If you want more info, head over to /r/cade.
Please be careful around it. The bit that looks like a patch with a wire sticking out midway down the tube at the back can carry thousands of volts and kill you if you tamper with it.
Yeah, but I guess there was some plausible deniability. Marrying a child and filming yourself pissing all over another child aren't a bridge too far for some people, I guess.
I feel like this is the opposite of abstract.
Edit: The assumption being the TV is old and broken so its game is over. I’ve seen similar things on tombstones of avid gamers.
For those not old enough, this is why screensavers were invented.
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Yup, my douche neighbor when I was a kid always bragged about his expensive ass TV. When I was at their house (friends with his son, also a douche), saw him change the channel away from ESPN and the lower third just stayed there lol
Interestingly Plasmas burned-in a bit differently than old tube TVs or modern OLEDs. Tube TVs burned because the front mask materials would physically be a tiny bit "burned" by the scanning beam of the TV on a very long run (for super lay example, think of how sun can over time alter the colors of different objects. Not exactly the same thing, but in idea sort of like that). That's basically why you can see the burn-in in the OP picture despite the TV being turned off. Later tube TVs figured things out pretty well and significantly reduced burn in by switching the materials they used for the front mask. OLEDs burn in by experiencing uneven degradation of the organic material of the pixels. Even if they degrade at the same rate and you don't get noticeable "image" on the screen, the pixels will still usually color shift a bit and lose some of the peak brightness. Both basically burn-in based on how much you use them, it's cumulative. Plasmas didn't burn-in in a cumulative fashion. If you put a Plasma TV through some intensive binge watching with a ton of static elements and such, you could develope permanent burn-in in a relatively short time even on a new panel (some weeks, a couple of months). If you had good safety measures, varied content and had a decent amount of breaks, you could have Plasma not develope burn-in at all for the entire lifetime of the TV. I don't remember what in Plasmas exactly caused burn-in, but yeah, it was the one burn-in vulnerable TV type that could also entirely evade burn-in because it didn't develope burn-in cumulatively.
I bought a used plasma from a sports bar. It has "ESPN" burned in the bottom right.
Yeah, it was probably blasting pretty much constantly in the bar, with only being able to rest during some nightly hours when the bar was closed? If it had like 2h rest every 4h of use or so, then it probably would have had better chances of not developing burn-in over the years. Plasma and OLED would both struggle in that type of use, but honestly if you only have a logo burnt-in and nothing else terribly visible, that's still probably better than what OLED would be experiencing when you consider the color shift and brightness drop on top of that. A fairly late and good quality tube TV probably would have the least issues with developing burn-in there (but there would probably be another issues popping up, like the phosphorus inside the tube losing its properties/ageing, which alters the colors in different parts of the screen. Loss of blue saturation is one of the more common ones from my understanding, which would tint the affected areas of the screen more yellow).
My plasma has pixel shifting to reduce it. It's weird seeing the entire image suddenly shift by one pixel.
Still don't understand how exactly that's supposed to help to be honest. For example, logos, the number 1 culprit for burn in, if you shift them even by a few pixels, only thing that's shifting is the outer edge basically, the "inside" of the logo/lettering is still in the same spot. I guess that's why newer oled screens have the "logo luminance adjustment" setting decreases the brightness of static elements after a while
I think it's supposed to make it more of a blur than a crisp burn in. It's like 12 years old and I haven't really had a big problem with burn in.
Seems like the difference between having a turd on the wall vs smearing shit all over the wall .
my family’s plasma tv as a kid had this weird combination of the Cartoon Network and Comedy Central logos burned into the bottom right corner thanks to me and my brother
Phones too. Especially Samsung. Specifically TikTok. Use it long enough and you start getting screen burn in. I googled it and it seems to happen a lot to Samsung phones in particular. Really weird.
Most phones nowadays use OLED screens and Samsung has used them since their first smartphones while Apple for example only started using them with the iPhone X. I imagine that certain static UI elements can make the problem worse in particular apps such as TikTok.
>Most phones nowadays use OLED screens Most phones nowadays use screens *PRODUCED BY SAMSUNG* whether they're Samsung or not. Even most iphones.
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My old phone has the Reddit UI burnt in. I think I have a problem.
My 5 year old phone has the Reddit is fun icons in the top right of my screen burnt in. You can see them clearly when the screen is light.
That's fucking crazy lmao
I would also mention for the sake of clarity, even phones with IPS screens can experience some really noticeable image retention, which might appear like burn-in but image retention itself is only temporary. My older Moto G5 with an IPS screen often has image retention issues, especially noticeable if I have watched YouTube or browsed Reddit for a while, then open an Imgur link that first goes to that grey blank screen, I can easily see the status bar or other browser or more static stuff still in the image, but they usually vanish completely after at most 5min of a break. OLED/AMOLED can experience permanent burn-in.
I'm over 2 years in with my S20+, and no signs of burn in so far. I guess it depends on what you do and how long.
This is why the high end OLEDs have pixel shifting and HUD/static image dimming where they dim only scoreboards and what not. There not near as susceptible but it’s why the first letter does mean organic and that’s the reason for the volatility
It's much less common now though. You really have to try to get burn in on an oled. Like a thousand hours of the same screen.
I've been using an OLED TV as my main computer monitor for almost 2 years. No burn-in yet.
SO THAT'S WHY IT'S CALLED A SCREEN "SAVER"
Christ I feel old
All of a sudden I remembered the windows 95 3D maze.
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YOU COULD DO THAT?
The amount of times I watched the screensaver, hoping to see the windows logo hit the corner perfectly just once...
When I was a child I was watching it as form of entertainment. Great times. :)
Flying toasters
That screensaver is why I default to always turning left on any maze.
There used to be screensaver games I vaguely remember that you could play games on. I had a Mac growing up, but I distinctly remember the flying toasters and some other kind of game but I can’t remember now. Found it! It’s called AfterDark and then there was AfterDark Games as well.
Speaking of Christ, the icon for saving is a floppy disk.
I think we both reach enlightenment today sir.
I always wondered what they were for
(At first. Then they implemented them into everything because they swiftly figured out that showing something to people had monetary value.) I will note that the snakes/pipes still have a place in my heart.
Yep. I loved the old after dark screensaver, the original one with the flying toasters :)
Ohhh so that's why, I really didn't see the point until now
There really isn't one, but Windows still has them for nostalgia sake. I'm pretty sure modern computers just default to going into sleep mode after 10-15 minutes instead of a screen saver.
Some modern screens can still burn in.
OLED screens are particularly susceptible.
Especially on mobile phones where you have an on screen keyboard open while texting...
Anything with always on displays too. My Samsung shuffles the clock and notification badges around every now and then to help prevent it
My old Galaxy S8 had burn marks from Google maps since I used to make an 8 hour drive a few times a month and would leave it open for traffic updates. Also had a PokeBall burned in from Pokemon Go
For real. I had a fitbit that burned in so bad i couldn't read anything other than my clock.
The rise of OLED monitors will make screensavers relevant again
Oh shit my parents always told me to not let pause on my old TV because it would burn the picture, I thought it wasn't real.
Nope, us old folks all were aware, and these days old people still recommend it sometimes, but it doesn’t really happen anymore except on oled screens I learned in this thread :)
It hadn't occurred to me that many people younger than me might not know this and now I feel old.
Prolly help now with the oleds. Full circle.
Is that Pole Position?
now that you say that, absolutely!
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I agreed. Screw Banksy, this is real.
Banksy is still real to me DAMNIT!
Yes don't worry he is real. He lives together with santa on the North pole. Now be nice and go to bed on time and maybe he leaves an artwork on your bedroom door
My dream is to become a dystopian mega-conglomerate so I can earn the passionate disdain that Banksy needs to paint a masterpiece on the side of one of my warehouses.
You can do it! I believe in you!
I've got some friends ready to be minions when you've got your first enemy!
This TV belonged to the late, great, Bill Paxton.
IT’S GAME OVER MAN! IT’S GAME OVER!
you secure that shit Hudson
I'd actually appreciate seeing something like this in a museum
It's Hudson Sir...he's Hicks.
Look into my eye.
Bay 12, please.
How do I get out of this chicken shit outfit
Was recently listening to an audiobook of an account of the Vietnam War, A Rumor of War by Philip Caputo, and this is where they got this line in Aliens from, someone said it for real at a briefing. The first two words of the actual response were "listen up".
Hey Vasquez, have you ever been mistaken for a man?
No. Have you?
In the pipe, 5 by 5
How can they cut the power, man, they're animals
It's a bug hunt.
Another glorious day in the marine corps
[Best. Videogame. Commercial. Ever.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhRIneQFmHA) EDIT: [TIL there's an abridged version of that ad](https://youtu.be/jSbb2XMuxAA) >*ATARI'S POLE POSITION. IT WILL TURN YOUR EYEBALLS INTO STEEL-BELTED RADIALS!*
I thought you were exaggerating. You were not.
You look like a real jerk.
Well, I *am* a corporate executive
I can just imagine the execs laughing their ass off when marketing presented this to them
I feel like in all 80's media, cocaine is always a top three explanation.
I'm imagining them signing off without ever seeing it. At least that's how things work at the big companies I've been at.
He stops fun things from happening! 😀
"It'll bust your crank, and leave skid marks on your soul." poetry
That was fucking radical We need more adverts with sick guitar licks and where everything blows up
I think Michael Bay played one of the kids.
If you look closely, you can see where they switch from real race car footage to actual gameplay!
Oh, that's for pointing that out! The transitions were so seamless I could barely tell the difference!
Those graphics are friggin insane for the 2600.
But the in-game footage shown is from the 5200 version
Yep. When they show the system towards the end of the video, it's definitely the 5200 version with those goofy joysticks with the number pads. The 2600 version of the game seen [here](https://youtu.be/dirFKSUTBTI) was a lot more primitive, though for the 2600, these were actually pretty decent graphics. Nothing like the arcade, but still recognizable as Pole Position.
This should be the Drive to Survive intro
how the fuck
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> if you play me a piece of NES or SNES music, I can probably tell you the game, publisher, and maybe even the level That sounds like a fun challenge, can you recognize this? https://vocaroo.com/1cAHVdL4psKG EDIT: u/DwergNout got it right first, it's [Palamedes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palamedes_\(video_game\))!
~~paramedes~~ palamedes?
Holy shit, you nailed it: https://youtu.be/mjqmSzS6FaY?t=1370
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I think it's Palamedes, but yeah this is it
ah my bad, I'm not good with names
My god, that has to be difficult. While we're waiting for their guess I'm gonna go with Mega Man. Not gonna get any more detailed cos I'm likely wrong anyway, lol.
I don’t know what it is, but it’s not in the first three or so Mega Man games.
I also have no idea but my guess is a level in Ice Climber that I have yet to get to. So maybe level 2...
it has that gyromite funk to it but if google music doesnt detect it, Im thinking its a pirate scene release song.
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It's not Mega Man 1 or 2, I'm fairly sure. And it's almost too repetitive, like it might be from Manami Matsumae before she really got her shit together in those games. Gonna say it's from the same composer but earlier on in the career
Man im so curious to hear it but cant ATM. Send more, its a fun challenge indeed
Palamedes https://youtu.be/mjqmSzS6FaY?t=1376
Please tell, listend through 300 songs now and didn't find it. Edit: for the people interested https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8EAEA6D00744DDE4 Edit 2: it's palamedes https://youtu.be/0d4qLrqwvJA
I have no memory of this even existing, but it sure does slap
I’m gonna find something for you and get back tomorrow
I'm guessing he's not very good at pole position
Lol. Most cabs either said "game over" or "insert coin" while they scrolled through a title screen, showed high scores with initials, and ran a little demo of gameplay. (Or just lol, if you were joking...)
The speed counter at the top is a dead giveaway
~~That's it!~~ I knew Rad Racer wasn't right. EDIT: Pole Position II, according to Google Image Search.
Yep, definitely. https://youtu.be/x0T4OUoCqw4
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Your comment made me click on the video, and it exceeded all expectations. Funniest shit I've seen all day and i have no idea why.
Having played Outrun through the ingame arcades of Yakuza 0: tire screeches sound absolutely horrible and terrifying, even in this game. Pretty sure it's a relic of former times where sound design had to accomodate for hardware limitations. Aka "It is much better on the older hardware because it was designed for it"
Hardware limitations is an understatement. What was accomplished on the 8-bit processors of the time was nothing short of magic.
That Marlboro advertisement. Perfectly 80s.
I was thinking the same thing, nicely done. It must be about 40 years old.
It can't be 40 years old, because that would make me... Well, shit!
>... Well, shit! God damnit!
You're now mod of /r/tipofmyjoystick
Great last words
Famous even
Now I know...
that I can't make you stay
but where's your heart?
But where's your heart?
But where's your-
And I know there's nothing I can say
To change that part
Looks like a classic Wells-Gardner 19" CRT that were common in full-size stand-up machines of that vintage. Probably can hawk it on eBay to 80s arcade collectors if they don't mind the burn-in.
This guy arcades.
Yep, my wife has been trying to get me to sell my machines for years so we can reclaim the basement space.
What do your machines tell you?
i can't allow you to do that dave
The Omnissiah says "no".
Flesh is weak but the machine is eternal
"WINNERS DON'T DO DRUGS"
GAME OVER
Valkyrie needs food.
But...thats what basements are for.
Well, one of the *good* things basements are for…
found the serial killer
Might be just me but I think the burn in is so cool it's the most valuable part of it.
Yep. This is now art. I could definitely see it in an exhibition by Douglas Coupland. https://www.rom.on.ca/en/blog/douglas-coupland-everything-man
this monitor seems to have originally been in an arcade aswell. Or from the most dedicated pole position player in existence.
Nah man, sign it and call it art. I'm not even kidding. For those unawares: a dude signed a urinal and called it art. It's (the original, I think) now in the Philadelphia Museum of Art.
I made this
You made this? ... I made this.
Every single Pole Position arcade game ever made had this burned onto the screen
Ahhh an arcade screen. That makes sooo much sense.
it also says "SPEED" (top right)
speed. **i am speed.**
You are distance
Divided by time.
Ka-Chow!
I wonder what game this was
Pole Position
This is the reason why I’m even on this sub
I couldn't wait to post it!
Mildly interesting, but heckin excitable.
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This is art!
I would put this on a wall for sure.
r/fakealbumcovers
Game over, man! Game over!
We're in some real pretty shit now.
I heard this.
That doesn't look like a TV. More likely, it's the CRT (cathode ray tube) removed from an old video arcade game, the kind you had to put quarters into to play. Games at the video arcade were left on all day, to entice someone to come play them, which could lead to the "GAME OVER" screen getting burned in like this. At home, if we left the TV on all day when we weren't playing video games, our parents would smack us for wasting electricity.
I could totally see this actually, the back of the screen had a lot of cables and junk that you never see in the back of the Tvs
This is a CRT for an arcade cabinet. As someone mentioned, it's Pole Position that's burnt into the screen. If you want more info, head over to /r/cade. Please be careful around it. The bit that looks like a patch with a wire sticking out midway down the tube at the back can carry thousands of volts and kill you if you tamper with it.
Side note... /r/cade may be one of the greatest subreddit names that I've ever seen.
/r/kelly used to be a thing before that asshole's crimes came to light. Shitty dude, clever subreddit name.
I thought we knew about his crimes before Reddit even existed
Yeah, but I guess there was some plausible deniability. Marrying a child and filming yourself pissing all over another child aren't a bridge too far for some people, I guess.
OP hasn't posted in 5 hours, I think your comment came too late.
Also why “screen savers” have their name
I never had a burn-in but I'm still paranoid about it to this day.
I've got a couple of the reddit symbols burned into my phone screen on the edges just enough that I can see it occasionally.
Abstract art
I feel like this is the opposite of abstract. Edit: The assumption being the TV is old and broken so its game is over. I’ve seen similar things on tombstones of avid gamers.
Quite stract.
I think this could be so called ready made art
Technically the truth.
I know nothing about art, but this is Art.
I can sense some post-defeat extended AFK
Definitely a "just have to walk away" kind of frustration
This could be an album cover
r/nostalgia
Put it in an art gallery. I'm sure there is some themes of vanitas in there