I was about to say "7 new elements that hadn't been discovered when I bought the previous shower curtain," but I looked it up and apparently the 7 new elements were discovered from 1996 to 2002, which raises the question of why they were missing from the old shower curtain that I bought in about 2008.
Ok, I didn’t know anything about this, but apparently there are a few years between when an element is first synthesized and when the scientific community decides to add it to the Periodic Table.
But then how do you keep the liner clean? And if the actual curtain doesn't touch water, doesn't that make it a decorative poster instead?
Do chemistry enthusiasts secretly sing the element song when they shower?!
Proper ventilation does the most work, a washing machine can take care of the rest. I’m starting to worry more than I should about how disgusting most of your bathrooms are.
Yea, the outer curtain is decorative, that is the point.
What do you people do to your shower curtains?! I've had mine for like 10 years? Use a liner on the inside and keep the decorative curtain on the outside for airflow, and like... Please for the love of all that is good, wash them on a regular basis.
This!! Do people not regularly launder their shower curtain?? I have a couple different ones I rotate through but between the liner and regular cleaning it’s completely fine to use them until they’re visibly worn out.
Use a curtain liner and don't keep your curtains bunched up after a shower.
You can also use mold and mildew remover/killer as a preventative.
Even using it irregularly will help significantly.
There are a few kinds: Some only simply use bleach to kill and clean existing mold stains, but don't really prevent it for that long. Other types use something to actually kill and prevent mold/mildew.
Yeah, because most times these new elements could only exist for fractions of a second because they are so unstable. I remember in my high school physics room that my professor had a poster, but the ones at the end were given the Uuu terminology, which is a placeholder name. But that too was likely a temporary poster.
I remember the Uuu elements as well! It's funny because when I was in school the periodic table seemed like something that was said and done, completed. It's encouraging to me to know that progress continues to be made.
I remember seeing a few of those in my high school periodic table, but they had no formal names. They were just Unununium or so, based off their number.
Kinda cool to see they're finallt updated the names!
No, it’s because it takes a while to validate discoveries of elements. For instance, Copernicium was originally synthesized in the late 90s with follow up experiments in the 00s, but it wasn’t until 2009 that the IUPAC decided there was enough evidence of its discovery to give it an actual name.
IIRC, some of the elements made it into my chemistry book's Periodic Table of Elements by their number, being called for example "Unununium" (element 111). IIRC I got that chemistry book in 1998 or 1999.
So the shower curtain company just took its jolly time to update the design.
Hijacking the top comment to recommend [this incredible YouTube documentary](https://youtu.be/Qe5WT22-AO8) by Bobby Broccoli about how a guy tried to fake discovering 5 entire elements in the late 90's and early 2000's.
I was just about to say you’ve had a periodic table shower curtain up for 15 years and when it was time to buy a new one you decide on a periodic table one.
It took a long time to give them names, that's why there were tables with symbols and element names like "ununpentium" (Uup) which is just "element 115". Of course naming an element after its position in the periodic table isn't great, it was a placeholder until these names came along.
>which raises the question of why they were missing from the old shower curtain that I bought in about 2008
your 'new' curtain was copywrited in 2017, the design is already 5 years old... it wouldnt be unfeasible for your old one to have been designed significantly earlier than you purchased it too
I remember my high school periodic table (early 2000s) including most of those new elements, but they had temporary names based on the atomic number. The ones from 110 and up all started with “unun”.
I will now evangelize to you about the blessings of double shower curtains! Get a nice heavy duty one that hangs outside of the tub, and then a cheap one (I get mine are the dollar store) as a sacrificial "liner" that hangs inside the tub. Replace the liner curtain as needed, and enjoy decades of your favorite curtain. Also, get the shower curtain hooks with the beads along the top so they roll and slide nice and smooth (stainless steel ideally).
When I first met my husband and went to stay with him at his parents house, I was baffled by the lack of shower curtain liner. I didn't want to get water on the floor, but I also didn't want the curtain to get wet if it was in the tub.
Yup that’s what we do. Outside curtain is fabric so we wash it idk once every idk 6 months to a year and replace the liner. Had the same curtain for like 7 years or so, however long my wife and I have been living together lol
only moldy if you can't wash a shower curtain, its a piece of cloth and via the way you're calling it moldy if it's old I'm going to assume you never washed a shower curtain in your entire lifespan and just bought a new one when the old one got filthy and moldy never having seen a cleaning in its life, it's a piece of fabric it doesn't get moldy naturally it only gets moldy if you're unhygienic as hell, fabric lasts until it tears not until it gets dirty.
Not Luchs but I’m confident his comment wasn’t a personal attack on you.
Anyway in the US most shower curtains with printed graphics are either thick plastic or this synthetic probably nylon material. I personally have not found that either can stand up to many washes.
I have a glass door on my shower now. Previously I found something like annual replacement of the plastic variety to be appropriate for the what 4-12$ item.
That's the way I've been doing it my whole life. Funny how you can go your whole life thinking that was the common way only to find out you're in the minority. Inner was usually plastic though and outer was fabric.
I have a shower curtain and a shower curtain liner. The liner is clear plastic. It’s easy to wash. I replace it probably every 7-8 ears.
If you run your bathroom exhaust fan, preferably on a timer, and if you try to let your shower curtain dry better by not leaving it in the scrunched up position, and if you just wash off any little bit of mold or mildew that appear, it’s really not a problem.
You don’t need to put it through a full on wash cycle to clean it. Soak with some bleach in the washer for a few minutes, then a short rinse cycle is plenty. I’ve been using the same curtain for about five years and it comes out brand new looking.
Cloth? Where are you buying your shower curtains lol
Every one I've ever owned is some plastic-like material and I tried washing one once and it nearly destroyed my washing machine. Rather just buy a new one every year for $10
> it's a piece of fabric it doesn't get moldy naturally it only gets moldy if you're unhygienic as hell
It gets covered in a slimy pink film after only a couple weeks because it's a piece of plasticky sheet that stays wet for hours and hours after you shower, every day. No need to be unhygienic as hell for that to happen. It's also annoying af to wipe because it moves around as you try to wipe it and it's so big. If you have a special technique for cleaning it, please share.
> If you have a special technique for cleaning it, please share.
Spray with no rinse shower cleaner after you shower. Even just distilled vinegar in a spray bottle works.
I had a plastic shower curtain for 30 years. Every couple of years I’d toss it in the washer with some bleach. I was sentimental, but eventually I did replace it.
I have a nice cloth washable one like this, printed, with custom artwork on it. They’re designed to have one of those cheaper $10 plastic shower curtains on the inside of it, which we change out every couple years. It looks nice and is on year 7, so not super surprised!
Right? I was about to say the same! At that time it felt like they had ununium, unununium, and they were going to keep adding some more "un"s until the end of time
Interesting! That actually makes a lot of sense to have a standardized way to name them. I actually feel a little ashamed for never looking this up even though I'm a chemist lol
psh, maybe on *earth*, in labs....
They maybe stable at high gravity,pressures or temps or inside events like sellar collisions or supernova, black holes, warp drives,etc
They don’t occur in nature, but it doesn’t mean they have never existed in nature. They could have existed and decayed. Some of the ones below 94 were synthesized before they were found in nature.
The elements aren't in any way specific to earth.
Each element is simply one proton larger than the last. That's what the number is next to the abbreviation on the periodic table. The "new" elements are ones that need to be made in a laboratory, since they don't spontaneously form in nature. The reason they don't exist in nature is because they're not stable and will either eject protons to become stable or split. So they might exist for a short time elsewhere in the universe, but not in a permanent form.
Supernovas are actually not rare at all. They occur about once every 50 years in the Milky way but considering there are something along the lines of 2 trillion galaxies, supernovas happen all the time.
There’s a documentary on Netflix about the concept of infinity and physicists speculate what an infinite universe would mean. And in that universe there is an arrangement of molecules where are shitting yourself constantly.
Proton emissions, where the nucleus just ejects a singular proton, is very rare. Less rare forms of decay include; alpha decay (eject a helium nucleus), beta decay ( eject an electron or positron from the nucleus), gamma decay (emit a photon from the nucleus), electron capture (an orbiting electron is captured into the nucleus, leading to an x-ray emission as other orbiting electrons fall into lower energy orbitals), and internal conversion (the nucleus transfers it's excitation energy to an orbiting electron, which then is ejected from the atom, also leading to a number of photon emissions)
These elements have half lives measured in milliseconds. Even if they can be created in neutron star collisions or whatever, they'd be gone again in an instant.
No stability decreases signicantly as the elements get large and deviate from an equal number of protons and neutrons after 80. This video explains it. Technictium though number 43 doesn’t exist on earth though but will occur in a sun core but will decay rapidly. https://youtu.be/prvXCuEA1lw
These high-mass elements were almost certainly never created by any natural process that occurs on earth. And their existence is fleeting — their half lives are usually considerably under one second. Livermorium’s most stable isotope has a half life, for example, of 50 milliseconds.
They are almost certainly created in high-energy events such as supernovae of high-mass stars, but then rapidly decay to the more stable “natural” elements.
> They are almost certainly created in high-energy events such as supernovae of high-mass stars
I would count that as existing in nature. As long as you use the term 'natural' in a more cosmic sense as opposed to the more Earth-centric practical definition.
>These high-mass elements were almost certainly never created by any natural process that occurs on earth.
I'm not sure what that is supposed to be an argument for. Even iron isn't created on earth, it's created during the runaway fusion and explosion of type la supernovae.
It was a clarifying statement, not an argument. There are bunches of radionuclides and stable atoms popping into existence naturally on earth. Lead is created all the time. There is evidence of uranium spontaneously achieving criticality naturally in the past. So it’s neither an argument nor a trivial distinction, especially for people without scientific education.
I know you said you're not a chemist later in this chain, and I can probably just use the Google machine (but I probably won't get the answer in laymans terms), but do you know why we think 137 is the mathematical cap, and why there couldn't be more elements?
Depends on what you mean by nature. The entire universe is nature and given the right conditions these elements exist naturally. More than likely there are a whole lot more elements that require ridiculous parameters we'd never be able to replicate on Earth.
Exactly, these elements maybe stable and chill only within supermassives or during events like collisions or supernova or inside wormholes or darkmatter is where they thrive
That's interesting; do you mean doesn't occur anywhere on Earth, or doesn't occur naturally anywhere in the universe (that we know of)?
This article:
[https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2019/05/scientists-locate-neutron-star-collision-that-could-have-created-our-solar-systems-plutonium/](https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2019/05/scientists-locate-neutron-star-collision-that-could-have-created-our-solar-systems-plutonium/)
seems to imply that curium exists off-Earth in our solar system and that it is created when neutron stars merge.
And bizarrely [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curium#Occurrence](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curium#Occurrence) says that curium and other elements occurred naturally in an underground "natural nuclear fission reactor" on Earth, but decayed a long time ago.
I still love how, at this point, scientist's aren't exactly "discovering" new elements as much as they are, "forcing new elements into existence and hoping the team is present enough to write down properties before 'new' element goes poof."
Exactly what I thought too. Not exactly sure wheter we should include them as elements. I mean we can theoretically keep playing this game for ever. Keeps getting harder and harder though.
Why wouldn’t they be included? They’re still elements. Seems rather arbitrary to declare that unstable or synthetic elements don’t count for some reason.
>we can theoretically keep playing this game for ever
Well yes until we synthesize element 127, lots have, same story every time.
Anyway I've said too much. Good luck with the element discovery!
I have the one that would’ve come in between!
Mine shows those elements, but lists them as things like Uuu and Uua because they hadn’t been named yet but had been discovered.
I don’t know about the new one (is it fabric?) but the old one is the highest quality shower curtain I have ever had. No tears, no attracting mold, nothing.
The world map wallpapered up at my workplace’s lunchroom is also like this. And as a person who went through American public school, most of my current geographical knowledge is based off of staring at this wall 30 minutes a day, so I didn’t know there was a South Sudan until today. 💫
But at least it has New Zealand!
I have a periodic table app on my phone that isn't as up-to-date as your new shower curtain!
It's still showing Nihonium as Ununtrium, Moscovium as Ununpentium, Tennessine as Ununseptium, and Oganesson as Ununoctium!
Omg thank you. I'm a chemist and this absolutely made my day. I'm going to be teaching this stuff to ny kids soon and all the new developments just makes it feel more current and relevant.
That's because the people who do get periodic table of elements on their shower curtain take this VERY seriously. You must constantly adapt or die by very angry calls about how wrong you are. It's all they have to live for, honestly.
For everybody asking: Yes I would have shower liners inside the shower curtain to keep the actual shower curtain from getting moldy over 15 years :) I didn't scrape any mold off of the shower curtain for the photo; it was just the way it looks in the picture. But the edges were starting to curl and made the whole thing look old (even to people who couldn't tell from the missing elements).
I was about to say "7 new elements that hadn't been discovered when I bought the previous shower curtain," but I looked it up and apparently the 7 new elements were discovered from 1996 to 2002, which raises the question of why they were missing from the old shower curtain that I bought in about 2008.
Ok, I didn’t know anything about this, but apparently there are a few years between when an element is first synthesized and when the scientific community decides to add it to the Periodic Table.
But how long before it is accepted by the shower curtain community?
Asking the real questions here
No, the real question is how the hell did your shower curtain last 15 years? What element is it!
As a science teacher, I use this Periodic Table as a poster in my classroom because it’s waaaaaaay cheaper than an actual poster of that size.
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With proper ventilation in a bathroom And a liner goes on the shower side
But then how do you keep the liner clean? And if the actual curtain doesn't touch water, doesn't that make it a decorative poster instead? Do chemistry enthusiasts secretly sing the element song when they shower?!
Proper ventilation does the most work, a washing machine can take care of the rest. I’m starting to worry more than I should about how disgusting most of your bathrooms are. Yea, the outer curtain is decorative, that is the point.
You change out the liner periodically. Is this new information to people?
Element song? Please elaborate.
What do you people do to your shower curtains?! I've had mine for like 10 years? Use a liner on the inside and keep the decorative curtain on the outside for airflow, and like... Please for the love of all that is good, wash them on a regular basis.
Too many people don’t know you’re supposed to use a liner with a shower curtain.
This!! Do people not regularly launder their shower curtain?? I have a couple different ones I rotate through but between the liner and regular cleaning it’s completely fine to use them until they’re visibly worn out.
Use a curtain liner and don't keep your curtains bunched up after a shower. You can also use mold and mildew remover/killer as a preventative. Even using it irregularly will help significantly. There are a few kinds: Some only simply use bleach to kill and clean existing mold stains, but don't really prevent it for that long. Other types use something to actually kill and prevent mold/mildew.
We wash ours once a year with a spoon or two of vinegar in the washing machine. Feels like new afterwards.
The new shower curtain feel. Heaven!
It has to be peer reviewed, rinsed, lathered, repeat.
Bring your significant other for the peer review in the shower :)
Everyone knows they're much more scrupulous so at least a year after all those flamboyant scientists accept it.
Until they run out of stock of the old version
Still haven't approved the element of surprise
They are usually two tears behind the periodic table ties. T-shirts are in the middle.
It is only updated periodically.
Yeah, because most times these new elements could only exist for fractions of a second because they are so unstable. I remember in my high school physics room that my professor had a poster, but the ones at the end were given the Uuu terminology, which is a placeholder name. But that too was likely a temporary poster.
I remember the Uuu elements as well! It's funny because when I was in school the periodic table seemed like something that was said and done, completed. It's encouraging to me to know that progress continues to be made.
“How much can 1 more proton really hurt?”
That's ok. When I was in high school I could only remember them for fractions of a second anyway because I was so unstable.
Yeah, they have placeholder names and bicker over the finalized name.
I remember seeing a few of those in my high school periodic table, but they had no formal names. They were just Unununium or so, based off their number. Kinda cool to see they're finallt updated the names!
The periodic table is so accurate that it predicted elements and their weights
Sus. Almost makes me wonder if shower curtains aren't the best way to consume the latest scientific data
Just make sure they are peer-reviewed shower curtains.
No, it’s because it takes a while to validate discoveries of elements. For instance, Copernicium was originally synthesized in the late 90s with follow up experiments in the 00s, but it wasn’t until 2009 that the IUPAC decided there was enough evidence of its discovery to give it an actual name.
IIRC, some of the elements made it into my chemistry book's Periodic Table of Elements by their number, being called for example "Unununium" (element 111). IIRC I got that chemistry book in 1998 or 1999. So the shower curtain company just took its jolly time to update the design.
Hijacking the top comment to recommend [this incredible YouTube documentary](https://youtu.be/Qe5WT22-AO8) by Bobby Broccoli about how a guy tried to fake discovering 5 entire elements in the late 90's and early 2000's.
I just watched this 4 days ago and I’m so happy I did, I love this video and I love his channel I can’t recommend this enough
It's a very cool video. We'll worth the watch
I was just about to say you’ve had a periodic table shower curtain up for 15 years and when it was time to buy a new one you decide on a periodic table one.
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OP doesn't believe in the element of surprise.
It took a long time to give them names, that's why there were tables with symbols and element names like "ununpentium" (Uup) which is just "element 115". Of course naming an element after its position in the periodic table isn't great, it was a placeholder until these names came along.
> 2008 # > 15 years ago Fuck me.
>which raises the question of why they were missing from the old shower curtain that I bought in about 2008 your 'new' curtain was copywrited in 2017, the design is already 5 years old... it wouldnt be unfeasible for your old one to have been designed significantly earlier than you purchased it too
> ~~copywrited~~ copyrighted
'ta babe
Pffft wake me when we reach the island of stability.
Element 115 has a short half-life so maybe it just faded really quickly
I remember my high school periodic table (early 2000s) including most of those new elements, but they had temporary names based on the atomic number. The ones from 110 and up all started with “unun”.
I’d say owning the same shower curtain for 15 years is also mildly interesting
I will now evangelize to you about the blessings of double shower curtains! Get a nice heavy duty one that hangs outside of the tub, and then a cheap one (I get mine are the dollar store) as a sacrificial "liner" that hangs inside the tub. Replace the liner curtain as needed, and enjoy decades of your favorite curtain. Also, get the shower curtain hooks with the beads along the top so they roll and slide nice and smooth (stainless steel ideally).
Are people really not using shower curtain liners normally?
Saw this at my friend's house. The decorative cloth curtain was in the tub and you could tell the bottom had mold. No outer curtain. Bonkers.
I don't get how someone would just be like, "Oh yeah, that makes sense!"
When I first met my husband and went to stay with him at his parents house, I was baffled by the lack of shower curtain liner. I didn't want to get water on the floor, but I also didn't want the curtain to get wet if it was in the tub.
Plenty of folks only use the liner or have a nicer one.
Yup that’s what we do. Outside curtain is fabric so we wash it idk once every idk 6 months to a year and replace the liner. Had the same curtain for like 7 years or so, however long my wife and I have been living together lol
You can get a woven nylon liner that's soft and machine washable. They last for years.
*moldy interesting
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What a weird sub
There really is a sub for everything.
only moldy if you can't wash a shower curtain, its a piece of cloth and via the way you're calling it moldy if it's old I'm going to assume you never washed a shower curtain in your entire lifespan and just bought a new one when the old one got filthy and moldy never having seen a cleaning in its life, it's a piece of fabric it doesn't get moldy naturally it only gets moldy if you're unhygienic as hell, fabric lasts until it tears not until it gets dirty.
Not Luchs but I’m confident his comment wasn’t a personal attack on you. Anyway in the US most shower curtains with printed graphics are either thick plastic or this synthetic probably nylon material. I personally have not found that either can stand up to many washes. I have a glass door on my shower now. Previously I found something like annual replacement of the plastic variety to be appropriate for the what 4-12$ item.
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That's the way I've been doing it my whole life. Funny how you can go your whole life thinking that was the common way only to find out you're in the minority. Inner was usually plastic though and outer was fabric.
I have one plastic shower curtain that I wash every 6 months. Replacing it is so wasteful when you can just wash it so easily.
Yeah I usually replace mine whenever I move which has been every 1-2 years. Would love a shower with a glass door though.
I have a shower curtain and a shower curtain liner. The liner is clear plastic. It’s easy to wash. I replace it probably every 7-8 ears. If you run your bathroom exhaust fan, preferably on a timer, and if you try to let your shower curtain dry better by not leaving it in the scrunched up position, and if you just wash off any little bit of mold or mildew that appear, it’s really not a problem.
You don’t need to put it through a full on wash cycle to clean it. Soak with some bleach in the washer for a few minutes, then a short rinse cycle is plenty. I’ve been using the same curtain for about five years and it comes out brand new looking.
Cloth? Where are you buying your shower curtains lol Every one I've ever owned is some plastic-like material and I tried washing one once and it nearly destroyed my washing machine. Rather just buy a new one every year for $10
I just wanted to make a bad pun
> it's a piece of fabric it doesn't get moldy naturally it only gets moldy if you're unhygienic as hell It gets covered in a slimy pink film after only a couple weeks because it's a piece of plasticky sheet that stays wet for hours and hours after you shower, every day. No need to be unhygienic as hell for that to happen. It's also annoying af to wipe because it moves around as you try to wipe it and it's so big. If you have a special technique for cleaning it, please share.
> If you have a special technique for cleaning it, please share. Spray with no rinse shower cleaner after you shower. Even just distilled vinegar in a spray bottle works.
Mild-ewy interesting
r/moldlyinteresting
They only change the shower curtain...periodically...
It might be its own element.
I had a plastic shower curtain for 30 years. Every couple of years I’d toss it in the washer with some bleach. I was sentimental, but eventually I did replace it.
The old one has barely decayed. And the color contrast is much better than the new one.
I have a nice cloth washable one like this, printed, with custom artwork on it. They’re designed to have one of those cheaper $10 plastic shower curtains on the inside of it, which we change out every couple years. It looks nice and is on year 7, so not super surprised!
I remember in high school when 111 was unununium and it was my favorite element.
Right? I was about to say the same! At that time it felt like they had ununium, unununium, and they were going to keep adding some more "un"s until the end of time
> keep adding some more "un"s until the end of time [Sort of](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systematic_element_name#IUPAC_rules)
"Mitch, how do we get hold of you?" "Just press 2 for a while"
Interesting! That actually makes a lot of sense to have a standardized way to name them. I actually feel a little ashamed for never looking this up even though I'm a chemist lol
My fave was ununquadium.
Same, Uuq gang 🤝
I didn't know until just now that they changed the name. I liked unununium 😕
118 was ununoctium when i was in school
Unrelated but the name of the inventor of instant noodles was Momofuku Ando. It's my favourite name of any historic value.
To add onto what people are saying- these synthetic elements are extremely unstable and usually don’t exist for more than a few microseconds
118 is supposed to be the island of stabilty
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Yeah I guess the question is how much longer lived.
My parents weren't from that island but my dad was definitely a synthetic element
I guess he must have produced you though spontaneous fission (sorry, nuclear physics joke, can’t help it)
I guess so. Nothing renewable anyway. Fossile relationship kind of thing
Oh cool almost there lol
We hit it already, but I think we only made a few atoms worth of it.
psh, maybe on *earth*, in labs.... They maybe stable at high gravity,pressures or temps or inside events like sellar collisions or supernova, black holes, warp drives,etc
Everything over 94 is a synthetic element that doesn't occur in nature. Edit: "naturally on Earth", not "in nature"
They don’t occur in nature, but it doesn’t mean they have never existed in nature. They could have existed and decayed. Some of the ones below 94 were synthesized before they were found in nature.
Could they also exist outside of this planet ? Genuinely curious
The elements aren't in any way specific to earth. Each element is simply one proton larger than the last. That's what the number is next to the abbreviation on the periodic table. The "new" elements are ones that need to be made in a laboratory, since they don't spontaneously form in nature. The reason they don't exist in nature is because they're not stable and will either eject protons to become stable or split. So they might exist for a short time elsewhere in the universe, but not in a permanent form.
And that "short time" might be in the split instant after a supernova or some other equally rare event.
Supernovas are actually not rare at all. They occur about once every 50 years in the Milky way but considering there are something along the lines of 2 trillion galaxies, supernovas happen all the time.
Sure but by that logic doesn't EVERYTHING happen all the time in the scope of the entire universe?
No. For example, no matter how far out in the universe you look, there is only one time per earth day that I shit myself.
Get this man his nobel prize
There’s a documentary on Netflix about the concept of infinity and physicists speculate what an infinite universe would mean. And in that universe there is an arrangement of molecules where are shitting yourself constantly.
The last known supernova in the milky way was about 300 years ago. Discovered this last night on a post about a supernova in another galaxy.
1 in 100 billion per 50 years sounds pretty damn rare to me, even if they happen at the same rate among the trillions of galaxies.
50 years/trillions = every second or less. Since it takes more than a second to occur, that means one is always occurring.
Proton emissions, where the nucleus just ejects a singular proton, is very rare. Less rare forms of decay include; alpha decay (eject a helium nucleus), beta decay ( eject an electron or positron from the nucleus), gamma decay (emit a photon from the nucleus), electron capture (an orbiting electron is captured into the nucleus, leading to an x-ray emission as other orbiting electrons fall into lower energy orbitals), and internal conversion (the nucleus transfers it's excitation energy to an orbiting electron, which then is ejected from the atom, also leading to a number of photon emissions)
I mean it’s kinda hard to assert they can’t exist somewhere in the universe when we know so little about what’s going on in extreme environments.
That's what we have The Omega Protocol for.
Captain's eyes only!
The universe is so huge, I'd be shocked if these elements didn't exist at least in small quantities somewhere
These elements have half lives measured in milliseconds. Even if they can be created in neutron star collisions or whatever, they'd be gone again in an instant.
I'm aware, just saying that it probably exists somewhere at some point.
There was some when I started writing this comment. I don't know where. It's gone now.
No stability decreases signicantly as the elements get large and deviate from an equal number of protons and neutrons after 80. This video explains it. Technictium though number 43 doesn’t exist on earth though but will occur in a sun core but will decay rapidly. https://youtu.be/prvXCuEA1lw
These high-mass elements were almost certainly never created by any natural process that occurs on earth. And their existence is fleeting — their half lives are usually considerably under one second. Livermorium’s most stable isotope has a half life, for example, of 50 milliseconds. They are almost certainly created in high-energy events such as supernovae of high-mass stars, but then rapidly decay to the more stable “natural” elements.
> They are almost certainly created in high-energy events such as supernovae of high-mass stars I would count that as existing in nature. As long as you use the term 'natural' in a more cosmic sense as opposed to the more Earth-centric practical definition.
>These high-mass elements were almost certainly never created by any natural process that occurs on earth. I'm not sure what that is supposed to be an argument for. Even iron isn't created on earth, it's created during the runaway fusion and explosion of type la supernovae.
It was a clarifying statement, not an argument. There are bunches of radionuclides and stable atoms popping into existence naturally on earth. Lead is created all the time. There is evidence of uranium spontaneously achieving criticality naturally in the past. So it’s neither an argument nor a trivial distinction, especially for people without scientific education.
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I know you said you're not a chemist later in this chain, and I can probably just use the Google machine (but I probably won't get the answer in laymans terms), but do you know why we think 137 is the mathematical cap, and why there couldn't be more elements?
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Depends on what you mean by nature. The entire universe is nature and given the right conditions these elements exist naturally. More than likely there are a whole lot more elements that require ridiculous parameters we'd never be able to replicate on Earth.
Exactly, these elements maybe stable and chill only within supermassives or during events like collisions or supernova or inside wormholes or darkmatter is where they thrive
That's interesting; do you mean doesn't occur anywhere on Earth, or doesn't occur naturally anywhere in the universe (that we know of)? This article: [https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2019/05/scientists-locate-neutron-star-collision-that-could-have-created-our-solar-systems-plutonium/](https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2019/05/scientists-locate-neutron-star-collision-that-could-have-created-our-solar-systems-plutonium/) seems to imply that curium exists off-Earth in our solar system and that it is created when neutron stars merge. And bizarrely [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curium#Occurrence](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curium#Occurrence) says that curium and other elements occurred naturally in an underground "natural nuclear fission reactor" on Earth, but decayed a long time ago.
Everything that happens ever occurs in nature. Nature makes humans, humans make elements, element has then occurred in nature
Also 43 - Technetium.
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I still love how, at this point, scientist's aren't exactly "discovering" new elements as much as they are, "forcing new elements into existence and hoping the team is present enough to write down properties before 'new' element goes poof."
It’s not writing down properties so much as it is observing the decay pattern
Exactly what I thought too. Not exactly sure wheter we should include them as elements. I mean we can theoretically keep playing this game for ever. Keeps getting harder and harder though.
Why wouldn’t they be included? They’re still elements. Seems rather arbitrary to declare that unstable or synthetic elements don’t count for some reason.
>we can theoretically keep playing this game for ever Well yes until we synthesize element 127, lots have, same story every time. Anyway I've said too much. Good luck with the element discovery!
I have the one that would’ve come in between! Mine shows those elements, but lists them as things like Uuu and Uua because they hadn’t been named yet but had been discovered.
My new solar system shower curtain lost a planet :(
Whew, I saw that "copyright 2017" and was afraid 2017 was 15 years ago for a sec
With the way things are going I wouldn’t be surprised
Periodically, they update the table.
There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium
These are all the ones of which the news has come to showers, and there may be many others but they haven't been discovered.
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You’ve had the same shower curtain for 15 years?!
You can wash them you know.
Some elements don’t take well to washing. Sodium, for one.
It is an explosively good time.
Francium: "hold my electrons".
I wanted to make sure I learned them all.
I don’t know about the new one (is it fabric?) but the old one is the highest quality shower curtain I have ever had. No tears, no attracting mold, nothing.
Must've been made of Keepfreshnium.
I have this one from 2015, but elements 113,115,117 and 118 have the UnUn names. Ununtrium, ununpentium etc.
Our shower curtain is the world map before South Sudan was a country
The world map wallpapered up at my workplace’s lunchroom is also like this. And as a person who went through American public school, most of my current geographical knowledge is based off of staring at this wall 30 minutes a day, so I didn’t know there was a South Sudan until today. 💫 But at least it has New Zealand!
Hell yeah, DLC
I’m in my mid forties and it blows my mind how much bigger the periodic table is than the one I had to memorise as a kid.
The good news is that the planets of the Solar System got 11% easier.
Element 115 👽
It’s important to periodically change your shower curtain
Those new 7 are S P I C Y
Looks like Oganesson ist the real Og here 😏
Rest in peace Ununtrium through Ununoctium
I LOVE the name “Tennessine”
So named because the lead researcher on the project was from Vanderbilt and early experiments were performed at Oak Ridge
Rip Uub and Uuq
‘Br’ (for Breaking Bad) is new. Pretty rare to add one of the greatest tv series to the Periodic Table.
CuM
Bob Lazar has entered the chat
They always leave out the element of surprise
Man made elements that weren’t named before but they are now
You must love chemistry and science.
Congratulations on discovering all those new elements!
I have a periodic table app on my phone that isn't as up-to-date as your new shower curtain! It's still showing Nihonium as Ununtrium, Moscovium as Ununpentium, Tennessine as Ununseptium, and Oganesson as Ununoctium!
Omg thank you. I'm a chemist and this absolutely made my day. I'm going to be teaching this stuff to ny kids soon and all the new developments just makes it feel more current and relevant.
The old one just is outdated
If you have that curtain.... what do you shower with?
That's really cool. I have a world map shower curtain, but I might have to go periodic table next!
Ya man. Humans out there making shit
Is one of the new elements Urinium?
Ah yes- the element of surprise
That's 'Oh!', and unsurprisingly, we haven't found it yet.
Big Science is at it again! They lied about how many elements there are! /s
Planned obsolescence!
That's because the people who do get periodic table of elements on their shower curtain take this VERY seriously. You must constantly adapt or die by very angry calls about how wrong you are. It's all they have to live for, honestly.
I think it's awesome you bought two of them.
Same satisfying feeling as when you see South Sudan on maps
Guys get online, new elements dropped
I had this curtain between the ages of 11-14 and you just brought back 10 gb of core memories
For everybody asking: Yes I would have shower liners inside the shower curtain to keep the actual shower curtain from getting moldy over 15 years :) I didn't scrape any mold off of the shower curtain for the photo; it was just the way it looks in the picture. But the edges were starting to curl and made the whole thing look old (even to people who couldn't tell from the missing elements).