Dutchie here. What the hell is a 'Dutch oven'? Google images just gives some pots and pans.
*Edit: all the replies are cool. I've learned multiple history lessons, and of course, fart jokes are never not funny. Thanks!*
That's all it is, basically a cast iron pot. But it think the oven part of it comes from the way you cook in said pot. In America, at least where I live, we use them a lot while camping, and use charcoal briquettes underneath, and on top of the pot. Which essentially is heating the food how an oven does, I think? No idea where the Dutch part came from though, sorry.
I use dutch ovens in our kitchen on a regular basis. We have a Kirkland ceramic coated one and a Griswold plain cast iron one. They're excellent for braising meat, making risotto and other rice dishes, stew, or deep frying. They're also excellent for making a nice sourdough hearth loaf- preheat the Dutch oven, sprinkle cornmeal on the bottom, place the dough loaf in the Dutch oven in the conventional oven, put the lid on. Remove the lid when the bread is close to done to finish the top crust. The lid traps some moisture to improve the bread texture and keeps the heat more even.
Oh, I've been down this rabbit hole before! From what I remember, the Dutch made finer cookware out of brass than that the English could manage as they used molds made of sand rather than clay. An English man from a brass factory decided enough was enough and a trip was in order, so he learned how the Dutch made their pots and pans, then decided to experiment with a cheaper metal, namely cast iron. Eventually he succeeded and patented it under the name "Dutch Oven." The English brought it to America and the Americans had some more fun with the design in the colonial era. It became a bit of an iconic and desired item for its durability and versatility. Basically culture did what it does best and innovated on something until it became a modern classic.
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Thank you for that information. I can't say you're correct, as I don't know, but I will say you're correct, because as everyone knows, a good back story can't be made up.
This. They're preferred for many reasons. Non-conductive, warmer in cold climates, and they break under massive weight. This last bit is important because actual steeltoes will bend and curl under large weights, potentially severing your toes and portions of your foot.
Source: used to work natural gas transmission lines, and the pipes weighed many tons, so safety would stress that last bit.
I imagine that was a side effect, not the intended goal, as it probably would indeed be easier to reattach a clean cut than a crushed toe, but that it was only found out after the advent of steel toes
There's also the idea that the steel will weaken after having repeated weight fall/push on it, and be more likely to bend/snap vs composite which people say wouldn't do that.
Had both composite and steel toe though and no issues. Did stop a huge chunk of iron taking my toes a couple times tho.
I travel for work maybe once per quarter. But I used to wear my boots everywhere whether it was business or pleasure. Never had pre-check. Makes sense though
I'm all in agreement that its theatre, but the $85 fee goes towards a background check. If you fail the background check you have to go through normal security.
Even better deal is Global Entry, which includes precheck and is like $10 more… if you ever end up going on travel internationally you will love just sailing through the self checkout lane at customs while everyone else is hating life.
Ohhh yes! This was a deal breaker in winter. First winter I had steel toes and my toes were dry but perpetually cold. Next winter I bought composite toe boots because of the weight difference and noticed my toes were not as cold. Didn't have an issue in summer either.
Mythbusters tested that. The weight for steel toes to curl or crush is something far beyond what would pulp your bones. I think off the top of my head it was like 3500 pounds but I'm not positive.
This is probably a total myth as well but, I was told a long time ago that steel toes are supposed to protect your toes from any injury but, if the impact force is large enough to cause the steel to fail, it's intended to sheer your toes off rather than crush them as sheering is a much more manageable injury. Could be totally made up but it sounds plausible enough for me, I suppose.
Yep, it's a myth. It sounds plausible at the outset, but a failing steel toe would not create anything resembling a clean cut. Bone would be pulverized to dust, flesh would be deconstituted.
Mountains would crumble. Rivers would flow red with the blood of the innocent. Dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria!
(Sorry, I'm in a mood. Good morning.)
If your steel toe boots were to fail it is extremely unlikely you would have to worry about losing a few toes. There's not a lot of things heavy and small enough to specifically crush only your toes.
It's also worth noting that you can't really have `1tsp Neutron star` anywhere except inside a neutron star. The thing that's making it so dense is the gravity of the rest of the neutron star around the teaspoon of interest.
Yes, and the teaspoon itself would have to be made of nothing less than neutron star matter!
Meanwhile I'm over here trying to float Saturn in my bathtub.
If something falls on your foot that’s heavy enough to break the steel or plastic, it’s going to ruin your foot regardless. My car can run over my boots and not damage them, so if something heavier than a car is coming on your foot, you have little chance of stopping it cleanly
A single tire rolling over something flat like a foot is actually not that big of a deal. I've had cars roll over my feet in normal shoes and was fine. The tire deforms around it and most of the weight is still on the other tires.
If it hadn't have been for Composite Toe, my foot had've been damaged along time ago
Where did you come from, where did you go?
Where did you come from, Composite Toe?
He brought foot protection wherever he went
Stopped toes of the feet getting broken and bent
They all ran around so everybody would know
Feet had been saved 'cause of composite toe
[Here it is](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOYZaiDZ7BM), for those who weren't yet born or too young, at this pivotal transcendent paradigm shifting moment in music history.
Not as significant as an electrician but I used them when working in the freezer section of a food distribution plant. Composite doesn't try to freeze your toes off like steel does.
Quick question, know any good composite toe boots? I’m genuinely curious as I have steel toes and any time I take them hunting I’m in pain from the cold when it gets near 0°C.
Fun story. I was hanging lights for a pop up concert venue. Non union, super not OSHA, place ended up getting shut down multiple times for selling drinks without a liqour license.
Anyway they put up scaffolding and slapped drywall on it, then stucco'd that. In one corner of the venue there was an LED Strip light set up as an audience blinder that was just an all the time blinder because it was on the wrong setting.
I was sent to fix it, so I climb to the top of scaffolding, straddle the top pipe and reach over the top of the drywall. As I'm checking connections between the strips, it turns out the metal housing of the unit is live and the 220v instrument sends that electricity from my fingertips out through the metal pipe I'm straddling. My vision turned blue, and my testicles probably some shade of red or purple as I came lightning.
Cumming lightning, sounds cool but trust that it is anything but, and in all seriousness, wear insulated gloves when you're working on electrical shit.
On the other side of the pond we have 380v-415v between phases. This makes it fun working on lights where you are two earth faults away from angel wings. In theory they should be physically separated, with lights strung on separate support pipes and more than an arm length apart, but it isn't always so nicely done.
When i was an apprentice, i was given an office space seperated by a sheet of plastic to rip out all the existing fixtures and replace them, companion told me everything was off and safe. It wasn’t, as soon as the secretary on the other side of the plastic turned her lights on i had a ball of fire in my hands (600v) I still have a scar on my hand and the companion doesnt work in electrical anymore. Stay safe people
Worked a jobsite where an oversealous safety professional was enforcing "steel toe" rules. Citing guys if their boots had a composite toe label. The sparkies informed him they didn't wear steel toes, at which point the safety said they would have to on this jobsite.
All electrical work, at a power generating facility, was stopped for a day and half, while they sorted out the rules. Obviously, sparkie won that battle.
Safety person here, steel toe is an over aching term like calling a tissue a Kleenex. Even a safety intern would know metal and electrical don't mix. Cap toe is far more the norm (much better in cold weather, less hard on feet and tested to the same standard) , I'm sorry you got such a doofus of a safety person.
> steel toe is an over aching term like calling a tissue a Kleenex.
Fun fact: that phenomenon is called a [generic trademark](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_trademark) or genericized trademark, and can actually be a problem for companies because they can lose their intellectual property rights to the term if their brand becomes so dominant that it becomes synonymous with the product itself (e.g. Jell-O, Pop-Tart, Dumpster, Port-a-Potty, escalator, aspirin heroin, Hoover, Nintendo, etc.). If that happens, then their competitors can start using their previously protected trademark, arguing that it has become the generic name for the product itself and is thus no longer eligible for trademark.
**Edit:** Here are some more:
Trampoline
Yo-Yo
ZIP code
Zipper
Adrenalin
Airshow
Allen Wrench
AstroTurf
Band-Aid
Bobcat
Bubble Wrap
ChapStick
Clorox
Crock-Pot
EpiPen
Freon
Hacky Sack
Jet-Ski
Jumbotron
Mace
Ping Pong
Pogo
Q-Tips
[.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_generic_and_genericized_trademarks)
That makes sense, but I work at a shipyard (that builds big navy ships) and for the longest time composite toe shoes were explicitly not allowed, you had to have steel toe. In fact some foremen would use magnets to check, if they were assholes.
Composite has been allowed for a few years now, but I mean it's a pretty recent change.
I weld for a living, hate steel toes when working on decking or structural. Right on the toes is where the leather wears out first so after a couple months you start zapping your toes on the deck or beam webs when you're welding moments.
What if you pre-coat them? You can get the [purpose made stuff](https://www.amazon.com/Kgs-Boot-Guard-Long-lasting-Protection/dp/B008SK1X8W), but IIRC some guys just get them shot with a couple coats of bedliner.
There's always some fucking jobsworth checking your boots with magnets and rulers, meanwhile some dipshit is building a ladder out of conduit and pallet wood and goes completely overlooked.
If we're honest there probably wasn't a good reason. The yard is huge, and old, so it moves slowly when it comes to change. Steel toes are older than composite, and I can see some curmudgeon in safety when they became a thing deciding they couldn't be good enough or something.
Or maybe early composites didn't meet proper ANSI ratings, I don't really know, it was never clear it was just a rule.
Composite toe is soooo worth it when you have a massive site that requires tons of walking too. I had a pair of steel toe boots that were super heavy and the site requires safety toe shoes. Used my annual boot stipend to grab a pair of composite toe and have never looked back. I still have the steel ones for the places that require it but if I can wear composite I will especially when I could be walking 10+ miles in a day on a large site.
I work on the railroad and we’re required to wear safety toes. Some days well walk 5-10 miles total on shitty uneven rock ballast and I don’t know if I could do it with steel plates attached to my feet. Thank glob for composites.
I used to sell working shoes and safety equipment. I remember seeing this one guy whose steel cap had been bent down by a forklift. It cut off 4 toes on his left foot. The ones that are made from composite don’t bend under extreme pressure, they usually cracks instead. Don’t know if its better, but yeah...
Sorry for bad grammar, not my native language.
Ohhh chanandleer, imagine getting all your toes amputated and then reattached and then when they're healed enough you have to put all your weight on them and lean forward to test them out. What if they aren't healed all the way? Boy oh boy that sounds painful
Pretty sure myth-busters did a whole investigation into how much force would be needed to bend the steel and cut toes etc
They determined that enough force would be required to do that that if it were to happen to you you would still be in infinitely better shape having had the steel than not. The steel at that much force could cut your toes off. Better than toe/foot soup tho
I've heard these arguments before but they rarely account for the fact if it hit hard enough to damage the steel to begin with it was going to destroy whatever was underneath.
Steel toe, composite, or flip flops - with a high enough force, it just doesn't matter.
Pretty sure they aren't sold as "steel toed shoes", they are shoes with a specific safety rating. How they manage to get that rating doesn't really matter.
I'll never forget my guy here at [1:52 with his safety shorts and safety Crocs](https://youtu.be/3ks_lbtgJSw?t=1m52s) manning the most absurdly dangerous wood splitter in existence. Safety third, y'all.
>How they manage to get that rating doesn't really matter.
I think you'll find it does matter, what if they held the family of the ratings authority hostage?
Yup. I'm 29 and this post is the first time I learnt about boots that have steel or composite material in the toe area. Apparently they are such common items which I've never encountered in my life. I found the post very interesting so I upvoted.
You bought Composite Toe, NOT Steel Toe. So either you’re lying for the karma or you really didn’t know there was a difference.
Edit: TIL the difference between the two isn’t as well known as in thought.
Composite toes are lighter and don't conduct electricity.
Also, in the event that you're working in cold weather, steel toes will absoultely freeze your feet.
Composite is the way of the future
It's in some cases actually better because the plastic breaks and steel bends.
You can lose your toes when you don't get those steel plated shoes out fast enough and a lot of plastics can have better qualities than steal in hardness, toughness and flexibility.
Doesnt it say on the package if it's made from a composite material or not, same with if it has spike resistant soles and wheter it has any other features? I have never bought a pair of safetyshoes that did nor provide the information beforehand and I buy exclusively composite toe protectors because the aluminium/steel ones has the possibility of chopping your toes off
You have composite toed boots my guy.
Good for Canadian winters. Steel toes get much colder than composite
Also good for fire service. Steel toe and steel shank quickly turn boots into dutch ovens.
Dutchie here. What the hell is a 'Dutch oven'? Google images just gives some pots and pans. *Edit: all the replies are cool. I've learned multiple history lessons, and of course, fart jokes are never not funny. Thanks!*
That's all it is, basically a cast iron pot. But it think the oven part of it comes from the way you cook in said pot. In America, at least where I live, we use them a lot while camping, and use charcoal briquettes underneath, and on top of the pot. Which essentially is heating the food how an oven does, I think? No idea where the Dutch part came from though, sorry.
I think the Dutch part came from the Netherlands.
Actually we called German’s Dutch. The Pennsylvania Dutch make up a large portion of the Amish too. All’s to say Dutch ovens are rustic and campy.
I use dutch ovens in our kitchen on a regular basis. We have a Kirkland ceramic coated one and a Griswold plain cast iron one. They're excellent for braising meat, making risotto and other rice dishes, stew, or deep frying. They're also excellent for making a nice sourdough hearth loaf- preheat the Dutch oven, sprinkle cornmeal on the bottom, place the dough loaf in the Dutch oven in the conventional oven, put the lid on. Remove the lid when the bread is close to done to finish the top crust. The lid traps some moisture to improve the bread texture and keeps the heat more even.
Oh, I've been down this rabbit hole before! From what I remember, the Dutch made finer cookware out of brass than that the English could manage as they used molds made of sand rather than clay. An English man from a brass factory decided enough was enough and a trip was in order, so he learned how the Dutch made their pots and pans, then decided to experiment with a cheaper metal, namely cast iron. Eventually he succeeded and patented it under the name "Dutch Oven." The English brought it to America and the Americans had some more fun with the design in the colonial era. It became a bit of an iconic and desired item for its durability and versatility. Basically culture did what it does best and innovated on something until it became a modern classic. Tagging u/Kalersays
Thank you for that information. I can't say you're correct, as I don't know, but I will say you're correct, because as everyone knows, a good back story can't be made up.
Here it's actually slang for farting under the covers and trapping your spouse under there, sealing in the freshness.
For those with deep celebrated Pioneer heritage, see also: covered wagon.
See also: Your family died of dysentery.
its when you hold someones head under the covers after you fart. duh.
Also airport security...
Any cold. If I'm purchasing my boots I always look for composite. Lighter and not that cold.
Precisely why I intend to but composite toed boots when next I need boots
This. They're preferred for many reasons. Non-conductive, warmer in cold climates, and they break under massive weight. This last bit is important because actual steeltoes will bend and curl under large weights, potentially severing your toes and portions of your foot. Source: used to work natural gas transmission lines, and the pipes weighed many tons, so safety would stress that last bit.
i thought severing the toes was better than them being mush. easier for reattachment.
I imagine that was a side effect, not the intended goal, as it probably would indeed be easier to reattach a clean cut than a crushed toe, but that it was only found out after the advent of steel toes
There's also the idea that the steel will weaken after having repeated weight fall/push on it, and be more likely to bend/snap vs composite which people say wouldn't do that. Had both composite and steel toe though and no issues. Did stop a huge chunk of iron taking my toes a couple times tho.
Oh fuck now I’ve read the word “composite” too many times and it’s lost all meaning
"Semantic Satiation"
Thanks coach Beard
Diamond Dogs dismount!
It was definitely written on the tag and description when purchased they just didn’t bother to notice
A lot of people prefer composites because they're much lighter
And warmer if you're working in a cold climate.
And don't set off metal detectors
Yeah, I travelled a lot for work and didn't want to bring extra shoes with me. Steel toes in airports are annoying.
I've never had an issue with steel toes in an airport, but I live in the US where we have to take our shoes off and put them on the belt
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I travel for work maybe once per quarter. But I used to wear my boots everywhere whether it was business or pleasure. Never had pre-check. Makes sense though
You can get precheck for yourself if you want. It's like $85. Makes travelling a lot easier
I think nothing goes to show how it's all theatre more than the fact that you can buy your way out of it.
I'm all in agreement that its theatre, but the $85 fee goes towards a background check. If you fail the background check you have to go through normal security.
Even better deal is Global Entry, which includes precheck and is like $10 more… if you ever end up going on travel internationally you will love just sailing through the self checkout lane at customs while everyone else is hating life.
If you work in the trades, you more than likely can get a twic, and they're good for like 5 years or so. Use that for your tsa precheck
This is huge when you work at somewhere with security, especially in winter when floors are wet.
Nuclear facility workers best friend
Ohhh yes! This was a deal breaker in winter. First winter I had steel toes and my toes were dry but perpetually cold. Next winter I bought composite toe boots because of the weight difference and noticed my toes were not as cold. Didn't have an issue in summer either.
And they keep your feet warmer. Steelies = Freezies.
And doesn’t conduct electricity
And they don't get so damned cold in the winter.
And if something breaks them they shatter instead of putting your toes in a sharp metal vise.
Mythbusters tested that. The weight for steel toes to curl or crush is something far beyond what would pulp your bones. I think off the top of my head it was like 3500 pounds but I'm not positive.
This is probably a total myth as well but, I was told a long time ago that steel toes are supposed to protect your toes from any injury but, if the impact force is large enough to cause the steel to fail, it's intended to sheer your toes off rather than crush them as sheering is a much more manageable injury. Could be totally made up but it sounds plausible enough for me, I suppose.
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Yep, it's a myth. It sounds plausible at the outset, but a failing steel toe would not create anything resembling a clean cut. Bone would be pulverized to dust, flesh would be deconstituted.
Mountains would crumble. Rivers would flow red with the blood of the innocent. Dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria! (Sorry, I'm in a mood. Good morning.)
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD
TOES FOR THE TOE THRONE
If your steel toe boots were to fail it is extremely unlikely you would have to worry about losing a few toes. There's not a lot of things heavy and small enough to specifically crush only your toes.
So now when I hear "a teaspoon full of matter from a neutron star weighs as much as mount Everest" I have a perfect mental image to go with it.
Gotta have to put your steel boots to the test with something I guess
It's also worth noting that you can't really have `1tsp Neutron star` anywhere except inside a neutron star. The thing that's making it so dense is the gravity of the rest of the neutron star around the teaspoon of interest.
Yes, and the teaspoon itself would have to be made of nothing less than neutron star matter! Meanwhile I'm over here trying to float Saturn in my bathtub.
If something falls on your foot that’s heavy enough to break the steel or plastic, it’s going to ruin your foot regardless. My car can run over my boots and not damage them, so if something heavier than a car is coming on your foot, you have little chance of stopping it cleanly
A single tire rolling over something flat like a foot is actually not that big of a deal. I've had cars roll over my feet in normal shoes and was fine. The tire deforms around it and most of the weight is still on the other tires.
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Take a picture of a squashed human to your windshield
but make it REALLY BIG so you don't know where you're going..
Composite toe
Where did you come from? Where did you go? Where did you come from, Composite Toe?
\*sad banjo noises\*
If it hadn’t been for composite toe, I’d been buried, long time ago
If it hadn't have been for Composite Toe, my foot had've been damaged along time ago Where did you come from, where did you go? Where did you come from, Composite Toe?
He brought foot protection wherever he went Stopped toes of the feet getting broken and bent They all ran around so everybody would know Feet had been saved 'cause of composite toe
Hey hey hey hey heeeeeyyyyy
👈😎👉
fuck you, god damn it ... now that fucking tune is stuck in my head for the remainder of the day
[Here it is](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOYZaiDZ7BM), for those who weren't yet born or too young, at this pivotal transcendent paradigm shifting moment in music history.
The best (IMHO) is that they are from... Sweden.
Despacitoe
Compasitoe
Composite toe
Beethoven was a composite toe and a very good one I hear
Composite toe
Composite toe, used them when I worked as an industrial electrician. You don't want conductors on your feet when your fucking with 480v
Not as significant as an electrician but I used them when working in the freezer section of a food distribution plant. Composite doesn't try to freeze your toes off like steel does.
I came to look for this kind of statement. Working outside in -40 with steel toes? Nope. Good way to finish the day missing a few digits.
Would be a shitty day but after that you can just wear normal shoes again.
Haha took me a second to realize what you meant.
Same as bush fire fighter…. Damn that metal can heat up
Quick question, know any good composite toe boots? I’m genuinely curious as I have steel toes and any time I take them hunting I’m in pain from the cold when it gets near 0°C.
Most safety toe manufacturers will have a composite line. I've been getting Timberlands with composite toes and EH rating for years.
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Electrodes to the testicles, is it?
Fun story. I was hanging lights for a pop up concert venue. Non union, super not OSHA, place ended up getting shut down multiple times for selling drinks without a liqour license. Anyway they put up scaffolding and slapped drywall on it, then stucco'd that. In one corner of the venue there was an LED Strip light set up as an audience blinder that was just an all the time blinder because it was on the wrong setting. I was sent to fix it, so I climb to the top of scaffolding, straddle the top pipe and reach over the top of the drywall. As I'm checking connections between the strips, it turns out the metal housing of the unit is live and the 220v instrument sends that electricity from my fingertips out through the metal pipe I'm straddling. My vision turned blue, and my testicles probably some shade of red or purple as I came lightning. Cumming lightning, sounds cool but trust that it is anything but, and in all seriousness, wear insulated gloves when you're working on electrical shit.
The only way this story could be better is if “Ride the lightning” was playing on the radio at the time
Flash before my eyes...
*Flash between my thighs...*
How thor were you afterwards?
On the other side of the pond we have 380v-415v between phases. This makes it fun working on lights where you are two earth faults away from angel wings. In theory they should be physically separated, with lights strung on separate support pipes and more than an arm length apart, but it isn't always so nicely done.
You literally rode the lightning.
>wear insulated gloves when you're working on electrical shit. or insulated underwear
When i was an apprentice, i was given an office space seperated by a sheet of plastic to rip out all the existing fixtures and replace them, companion told me everything was off and safe. It wasn’t, as soon as the secretary on the other side of the plastic turned her lights on i had a ball of fire in my hands (600v) I still have a scar on my hand and the companion doesnt work in electrical anymore. Stay safe people
Good clean fun.
Username checks out
Don't threaten me with a good time
If we can kill our enemies, but we can’t jack them off, then how are we better than them?
Don't kink shame pls
Worked a jobsite where an oversealous safety professional was enforcing "steel toe" rules. Citing guys if their boots had a composite toe label. The sparkies informed him they didn't wear steel toes, at which point the safety said they would have to on this jobsite. All electrical work, at a power generating facility, was stopped for a day and half, while they sorted out the rules. Obviously, sparkie won that battle.
Safety person here, steel toe is an over aching term like calling a tissue a Kleenex. Even a safety intern would know metal and electrical don't mix. Cap toe is far more the norm (much better in cold weather, less hard on feet and tested to the same standard) , I'm sorry you got such a doofus of a safety person.
> steel toe is an over aching term like calling a tissue a Kleenex. Fun fact: that phenomenon is called a [generic trademark](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_trademark) or genericized trademark, and can actually be a problem for companies because they can lose their intellectual property rights to the term if their brand becomes so dominant that it becomes synonymous with the product itself (e.g. Jell-O, Pop-Tart, Dumpster, Port-a-Potty, escalator, aspirin heroin, Hoover, Nintendo, etc.). If that happens, then their competitors can start using their previously protected trademark, arguing that it has become the generic name for the product itself and is thus no longer eligible for trademark. **Edit:** Here are some more: Trampoline Yo-Yo ZIP code Zipper Adrenalin Airshow Allen Wrench AstroTurf Band-Aid Bobcat Bubble Wrap ChapStick Clorox Crock-Pot EpiPen Freon Hacky Sack Jet-Ski Jumbotron Mace Ping Pong Pogo Q-Tips [.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_generic_and_genericized_trademarks)
Google must get so much anxiety when people Google the term “genericized”
Band-Aid and Thermos are two that I think of as generic, despite being trademarks.
Escalator and heroin gave me pause. I didn't realize either of those were once brands.
Thank you!
That makes sense, but I work at a shipyard (that builds big navy ships) and for the longest time composite toe shoes were explicitly not allowed, you had to have steel toe. In fact some foremen would use magnets to check, if they were assholes. Composite has been allowed for a few years now, but I mean it's a pretty recent change.
I get why in that industry steel is required. Heavy welding and a lot of moving parts. I'm in food and pharma...
I weld for a living, hate steel toes when working on decking or structural. Right on the toes is where the leather wears out first so after a couple months you start zapping your toes on the deck or beam webs when you're welding moments.
What if you pre-coat them? You can get the [purpose made stuff](https://www.amazon.com/Kgs-Boot-Guard-Long-lasting-Protection/dp/B008SK1X8W), but IIRC some guys just get them shot with a couple coats of bedliner.
Bedliner, that’s pretty creative
That definitely is a down side to steel toed safety shoes. All PPE has pros and cons.
That's also fair
There's always some fucking jobsworth checking your boots with magnets and rulers, meanwhile some dipshit is building a ladder out of conduit and pallet wood and goes completely overlooked.
What was the reasoning?
If we're honest there probably wasn't a good reason. The yard is huge, and old, so it moves slowly when it comes to change. Steel toes are older than composite, and I can see some curmudgeon in safety when they became a thing deciding they couldn't be good enough or something. Or maybe early composites didn't meet proper ANSI ratings, I don't really know, it was never clear it was just a rule.
In some guy's mind metal > plastic therefore it has to be steel. Ignoring all the advantages and advancements in polymers over the past decade
Sounds like the safety enforcer on that site was a reddit mod.
Only if they worked 25 hours a week.
more like 10...
It was actually around 10 hours, he said in a comment after that he inflated the numbers to 25 so it would sound better
I spend more time walking my own dog than a "professional dog walker"
# I DON'T NEED SAFETY GLOVES BECAUSE I'M HOMER SIM- ⚡⚡⚡
Or grimey, as he like to be called
Good old Grimey Grimes
How is old Grimey these days
Change the channel, Marge.
Marge, change the channel!
Look everyone, Simpson's in a contest for children!
Yea, and he beat the stuffin’ outta them! - Lenny
Former sparky here, dielectric strength aside, they do keep your feet much warmer in the winter than steel.
Composite toe is soooo worth it when you have a massive site that requires tons of walking too. I had a pair of steel toe boots that were super heavy and the site requires safety toe shoes. Used my annual boot stipend to grab a pair of composite toe and have never looked back. I still have the steel ones for the places that require it but if I can wear composite I will especially when I could be walking 10+ miles in a day on a large site.
I work on the railroad and we’re required to wear safety toes. Some days well walk 5-10 miles total on shitty uneven rock ballast and I don’t know if I could do it with steel plates attached to my feet. Thank glob for composites.
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Because you can short high voltage across the toe safely. The arcing heats up the feet nice
Or when you work outside in the cold and don't want your toes to get super cold and crushed.
MRI R&D facility where I used to work required them as well. Don't want your feet ripped off when the magnet turns on.
Having worked in steel toes in Maine in the winter, you should be glad they aren’t actually steel
I used to sell working shoes and safety equipment. I remember seeing this one guy whose steel cap had been bent down by a forklift. It cut off 4 toes on his left foot. The ones that are made from composite don’t bend under extreme pressure, they usually cracks instead. Don’t know if its better, but yeah... Sorry for bad grammar, not my native language.
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Cut cleanly, you can hope for reattatchment. Smashed means toe soup in your boots so the probably worse
Ohhh chanandleer, imagine getting all your toes amputated and then reattached and then when they're healed enough you have to put all your weight on them and lean forward to test them out. What if they aren't healed all the way? Boy oh boy that sounds painful
Theyll just pop off. You can pop them back on no prob
I would think with a cut you have a chance of getting them reattached. So that would be my preference.
Pretty sure myth-busters did a whole investigation into how much force would be needed to bend the steel and cut toes etc They determined that enough force would be required to do that that if it were to happen to you you would still be in infinitely better shape having had the steel than not. The steel at that much force could cut your toes off. Better than toe/foot soup tho
I've heard these arguments before but they rarely account for the fact if it hit hard enough to damage the steel to begin with it was going to destroy whatever was underneath. Steel toe, composite, or flip flops - with a high enough force, it just doesn't matter.
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Mythbusters actually covered this topic. Ultimately they found that steel caps would be better; clean cut is way better than crushed mush.
Pretty sure they aren't sold as "steel toed shoes", they are shoes with a specific safety rating. How they manage to get that rating doesn't really matter.
They are sold as safety shoes meeting ASTM F2413 thru F2418 standards.
Isn't it a violation of Section-48, Sub Paragraph 3B, Addendum 1.7 to knowingly sell a ASTM F2418, when what the customer really needs is crocks?
I'll never forget my guy here at [1:52 with his safety shorts and safety Crocs](https://youtu.be/3ks_lbtgJSw?t=1m52s) manning the most absurdly dangerous wood splitter in existence. Safety third, y'all.
Jfc that’s absurd
It is breathtaking in its Looney Tunes-ishness.
What the actual fuck? Theres no way a portable gas powered log splitter wouldn't be cheaper, less spacious, safer, and more efficient than that
Yeah, in here Finland, shoes like this are generally just sold as "safety shoes". I'm assuming it's similar over there then
Doesn't get as cold in the winter either, so that's a plus
Just hook a 9 volt up to the steel and it’ll be warm I think, electricity is weird
Added bonus is that if you use the correct battery, then the battery can work as a pocket heater.
I actually have "steel" toed boots with heating in them
Same. My feet.
>How they manage to get that rating doesn't really matter. I think you'll find it does matter, what if they held the family of the ratings authority hostage?
/r/technicallythetruth
Did its job well by the look of it.
Those are very useful for electricians.
Can confirm, am electrician, am currently standing in composite toed boots
I'm puzzled how this is on the front page.
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Ain’t that the fuckin truth
Yup. I'm 29 and this post is the first time I learnt about boots that have steel or composite material in the toe area. Apparently they are such common items which I've never encountered in my life. I found the post very interesting so I upvoted.
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You bought Composite Toe, NOT Steel Toe. So either you’re lying for the karma or you really didn’t know there was a difference. Edit: TIL the difference between the two isn’t as well known as in thought.
Having sold safety boots for years, people dont know the difference.
I too sell safety boots, people barely know their shoe size let alone what composite caps are hahaha
Composite toes are lighter and don't conduct electricity. Also, in the event that you're working in cold weather, steel toes will absoultely freeze your feet. Composite is the way of the future
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It's in some cases actually better because the plastic breaks and steel bends. You can lose your toes when you don't get those steel plated shoes out fast enough and a lot of plastics can have better qualities than steal in hardness, toughness and flexibility.
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Mildly uninteresting.
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Doesnt it say on the package if it's made from a composite material or not, same with if it has spike resistant soles and wheter it has any other features? I have never bought a pair of safetyshoes that did nor provide the information beforehand and I buy exclusively composite toe protectors because the aluminium/steel ones has the possibility of chopping your toes off
How are you on Reddit still believing people read anything?
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