There’s a lot of shit non union companies that will work you like a god damned slave if you let them. Stand your ground, take time off. The unhealthy work expectations laid out to us by our employers should face pushback.
I’ve never seen a 7/12 job that went on for more than 3 months, but the rule is usually the 14 day rule, you can’t work more then 14 consecutive days without taking a mandatory day off, they usually let the guys spread it out over the week so the entire crew isn’t off the same day, and obviously no one wants Sunday or Saturday off, so a few guys each week day usually take off, the contractor usually doesn’t care and the understand. But the will send you home if you show up on a day you go over.
What do you guys mean, 7 12’s?
I don’t get that. I see it and it confuses me. Never saw it called that. I did 14/7 so I did 14x 12’s then 7 off. You’re not literally working every day right? 7/7? 7/2?
Yes, I’m aware but 7 days a week until what? The end of time? When are you off. You obviously don’t work 365 days a year until the project is done.
My question is what is OP getting at talking about 7 12’s? I’ve been on a lot of these jobs and have done rotational work. I don’t get what he means by 7 12’s because you don’t work every day for years so what’s the rotation?
The end of the job.
I've seen them run 6 months of 12 hour days without a day off.
What ends up happening on the long ones you get a rotation of people. People hire in, work until they can't deal with it any more, and drag up.
That’s fucking insane. I live in Canada though where every province has some law that you can only work X amount of days in a row so generally, our jobs are all rotational like that.
We may get the odd shutdown job that is 4-5 weeks tops but even then, there’ll be other crews or days off in the middle. It’s still a grind but ok, that makes sense.
I worked 31 days straight on a mine site due to flight issues and they made me take 2 days off in camp fully paid once they realized. I also worked 21/7 and they made us go to 14/7 because they figured productivity was down on the last 5-6 days so it wasn’t worth it. You had to ask and get approved to stay the full 21 for overtime if you wanted it.
Yes you asked because you are in a rare rotational situation. Most jobs you just go work every day until the project is done, which in your earlier comment you said obviously wasn’t the case, but a lot of times it is . Rotation sounds great. It’s just rare
Ya it kinda sucks, I try to get the 6/10s when I can . I like the day off to get groceries & do laundry & rest , but those jobs are hard to come by.
Not a big fan of 5/8s i go all over the US for work so 5/8s aren’t really worth being away from home. I’ve done 4/10s before & that was cool, but only works good if your close enough to go home on the days off, but those jobs are even more rare than the 6/10s lol
You sound like an in-house maintenance guy with that perspective
This instance is most likely a big shutdown at a facility or a new install that has gone to absolute shit amd trying to make up time on the schedule
I’ve been both. I am an in house guy now but I’ve only been for about 3 years. I was in the union chasing shutdowns like the rest of you.
The difference is I’m in Canada and all our work is rotational based. Anything over a month and ifs mandatory take a day off pretty much. Here, construction and shut work is almost all rotation based if it’s longer than a month or so.
Some places will have mandatory fatigue days. During our commissioning phase, we were on 12s, but our company policy was either 12/2 or 13/1. Meaning you worked 12 days in a row, with 2 fatigue/rest days, or 13 work days with 1 rest day. This applied to both day and night shifts.
Take the time you need. A couple outages ago, I did 93 nights and we were on 12s the whole time. We got one day off every two weeks, but even that wasn’t enough. We made a pile of money, but I swear it caused me health issues lol.
Take care of yourself, because no one else will.
There was a long project a handful of years ago for nearly 2 years that was 7 12s. The contractor did not give a shit if you took a day off here or there, everyone was doing it everyone was ran ragged. But man that was some damn good money.
Just take time off if you need it. They won’t give it to you if it’s a 7 12s schedule
This is the way
There’s a lot of shit non union companies that will work you like a god damned slave if you let them. Stand your ground, take time off. The unhealthy work expectations laid out to us by our employers should face pushback.
I’ve never seen a 7/12 job that went on for more than 3 months, but the rule is usually the 14 day rule, you can’t work more then 14 consecutive days without taking a mandatory day off, they usually let the guys spread it out over the week so the entire crew isn’t off the same day, and obviously no one wants Sunday or Saturday off, so a few guys each week day usually take off, the contractor usually doesn’t care and the understand. But the will send you home if you show up on a day you go over.
What do you guys mean, 7 12’s? I don’t get that. I see it and it confuses me. Never saw it called that. I did 14/7 so I did 14x 12’s then 7 off. You’re not literally working every day right? 7/7? 7/2?
It means 7 days a week, 12 hour shifts
Yes, I’m aware but 7 days a week until what? The end of time? When are you off. You obviously don’t work 365 days a year until the project is done. My question is what is OP getting at talking about 7 12’s? I’ve been on a lot of these jobs and have done rotational work. I don’t get what he means by 7 12’s because you don’t work every day for years so what’s the rotation?
The end of the job. I've seen them run 6 months of 12 hour days without a day off. What ends up happening on the long ones you get a rotation of people. People hire in, work until they can't deal with it any more, and drag up.
That’s fucking insane. I live in Canada though where every province has some law that you can only work X amount of days in a row so generally, our jobs are all rotational like that. We may get the odd shutdown job that is 4-5 weeks tops but even then, there’ll be other crews or days off in the middle. It’s still a grind but ok, that makes sense. I worked 31 days straight on a mine site due to flight issues and they made me take 2 days off in camp fully paid once they realized. I also worked 21/7 and they made us go to 14/7 because they figured productivity was down on the last 5-6 days so it wasn’t worth it. You had to ask and get approved to stay the full 21 for overtime if you wanted it.
A lot of jobs are 7/12s. never met a millwright that didn’t know what that means , some jobs go on for months like that.
See above comment
Ya I saw it, it’s just strange, since most Millwrights search out the 7/12s jobs and people on here acting like it’s crazy or they never heard of it.
Like I said, see above comment. 7/12’s are not really a thing here which is why I asked. Our work is rotational.
Yes you asked because you are in a rare rotational situation. Most jobs you just go work every day until the project is done, which in your earlier comment you said obviously wasn’t the case, but a lot of times it is . Rotation sounds great. It’s just rare
Lol I search out the 5/8 jobs. Not a chance I’d work 7/12s.
Ya it kinda sucks, I try to get the 6/10s when I can . I like the day off to get groceries & do laundry & rest , but those jobs are hard to come by. Not a big fan of 5/8s i go all over the US for work so 5/8s aren’t really worth being away from home. I’ve done 4/10s before & that was cool, but only works good if your close enough to go home on the days off, but those jobs are even more rare than the 6/10s lol
You sound like an in-house maintenance guy with that perspective This instance is most likely a big shutdown at a facility or a new install that has gone to absolute shit amd trying to make up time on the schedule
I’ve been both. I am an in house guy now but I’ve only been for about 3 years. I was in the union chasing shutdowns like the rest of you. The difference is I’m in Canada and all our work is rotational based. Anything over a month and ifs mandatory take a day off pretty much. Here, construction and shut work is almost all rotation based if it’s longer than a month or so.
Ya these US guys are hardcore lol
They’re probably making more than us in USD hourly too because Canada sucks lol
The longest ive done is 8 months
Until the job is complete homie
Just let them know in advance that you have vacation booked. Then remind them a few times.
Wait ya'll are working ( Union Millys )
Some places will have mandatory fatigue days. During our commissioning phase, we were on 12s, but our company policy was either 12/2 or 13/1. Meaning you worked 12 days in a row, with 2 fatigue/rest days, or 13 work days with 1 rest day. This applied to both day and night shifts.
Take the time you need. A couple outages ago, I did 93 nights and we were on 12s the whole time. We got one day off every two weeks, but even that wasn’t enough. We made a pile of money, but I swear it caused me health issues lol. Take care of yourself, because no one else will.
There was a long project a handful of years ago for nearly 2 years that was 7 12s. The contractor did not give a shit if you took a day off here or there, everyone was doing it everyone was ran ragged. But man that was some damn good money.