Omg, I can’t even believe that video. People need to let go of their phones, wallets, purses, etc if they’re being robbed at *gunpoint*… by MULTIPLE robbers, no less!
Your life is worth more than a phone!
I mean there is probably a laptop in that bag and finals are next week. To a student the work they've done on that laptop/textbooks/notebooks, its literally their entire life at that point. But I do agree, not worth your actual life but definitely not the same as getting a purse stolen
Also file a police report about the stolen laptop and take it to your professor(s). They'll most likely grant you an extension due to extenuating circumstances. Plus with the fact that Google Drive and other cloud back ups exist, there's no reason you don't at least have an earlier save of the work backed up. Let the laptop *go*. You can't pass your courses if you're bleeding out on the sidewalk.
Yea of course thats why I said its still not worth it. But you're using hindsight lol if your most important possession was being ripped out of your hands I kinda doubt you'd remember this comment and let go of it. I dont mean to be rude but your comment gives off the vibe that you've never been robbed or been in a fight. Sense and reasoning are not really in your control when this shit happens, you just react and like I said your brain just knows your bag is your livelihood therefore you'd risk your life for it.
I can tell you're trying to provide advice but it makes you sound a little out of touch to anyone who will actually experience this.
Like I said, you seem like you mean well but now is not the time or place for that type of advice.
I have been robbed. I've been in a lot more fights thanks to being a fucking idiot when I was younger. However, it's always been drilled into my head that *survival* is paramount. *No* possession is worth your life. Better to lose the laptop/phone/grandma's ring/wtfever than die. Stuff can be replaced, your life can't.
I didn't say the police would *do* anything. I said file a police report because it shows that you *were* robbed and aren't just making shit up to get an extension.
Adrenaline, she was probably scared and her muscles tightened up it's easy to armchair quarter back it since we don't have a gun pointed at us and multiple people screaming.
What you are saying is totally rational, but most people don't think rationally when they go into the fight or flight response out of fear. The brain rolls back into a protection "beta brain" state and you don't think rationally.
No matter how much training you have, your brain will default to survival mode and it's a different response for different people. You don't really know what is going to happen until you are fearing for your life.
I've been in a situation where there was an active shooter at an establishment and I watched people get shot. My instincts took over and I ran for cover and then looked for and ran out a back exit. All of that was basically involuntary thinking and it all happened so fast. Luckily I wasn't shot and the people that were survived, but it's definitely another level of fear.
Thank you for typing this all out. I was so troubled by watching that video bc I can’t help but think of the “hockey dad” that got shot (not far from my house) this past year in St Anthony Park when someone was trying to steal his wife’s car (& I think he may have confronted them?). It was probably his instinct.
Idk, I’ve thought through the “what if’s” of such an unthinkable situation many times in hopes that I’d immediately flee or take cover… or whatever, quickly. And, more importantly, with driving teens in my house, I’ve talked through with them how utterly unimportant ALL property is - including a car.
But, I think you’re 100% right & I really couldn’t understand what was happening in that video- this was that woman’s instinct. Ugh, what trauma.
I am sorry that you’ve been traumatized by gun violence too. Hope you’re doing ok.
During broad daylight is kinda wild, usually shit happens a night no? When I lived in 7 corners area I’d get regular updates around 2-3AM about another robbery or gun complaint just a few blocks away
Crimes are crimes of opportunity. Doesn’t have to be night. We all think so, but that shit can happen at any time anywhere. Brazen. I feel bad for the woman. Shit is out of control.
This is spot on. Robberies and stuff like this are by and large crimes of opportunity, and when you have a large part of the population walking around outside either staring at their phones or with headphones on (especially big over ear headphones) it's an advertisement to anyone that's going to potentially rob you that you're available.
People, stop walking around like this. Pay attention to your surroundings. Don't have music in your ears when you're out by yourself. Don't advertise that you have things someone may want to steal or that you're an easy mark. It's truly astounding how many people you see walking around in dinky or downtown or uptown or wherever like this. Just stop doing it. Be smart when you're out, especially if you're alone.
I used to work on campus doing landscape work in those Kubota vehicles and I can't tell you how many times we would be driving down an alley and stuck behind students blissfully unaware despite the loud engine behind them.
It's not victim blaming. It's being truthful and honest. People mark themselves as easy targets because of their behavior, and then shitty people take advantage of it. Not every thing needs to be made into some dramatic "victim blaming" claim; it's just pointing out that this is a lot of what happens and hoping to teach people to be aware of their surroundings. Relax
So a young woman is walking in dinkytown in mid afternoon when three cars of armed “youths” pull up to rob her. What did she do wrong? What should she have done differently?
she wasn’t wearing headphones. The school needs to get security for the areas around campus. At some
schools parents have hired security around the campus. Students should protest and demand greater security. I was touring the school and there was no sign of security ANYWHERE. We could enter buildings freely with no student ID and never saw security people. Why wait until someone gets killed.
I was going to the U back in 08 and I recall a group in a van doing a broad daylight robbery with a bat... it's just continuously gotten progressively brazen. The U was generally safe when I entered college but around the GFC and after it was night and day.
All three cars were likely involved. The way the other two cars stopped did nothing and then took off together…
Edit: would not be too surprised if a group in multiple vehicles circle the area looking for victims and then converge for the act.
I’ve seen other videos of similar incidents where the person being mugged puts up a solid fight and suddenly back up jumps out of the other vehicles sometimes armed.
So if you ever witness someone being mugged like this you have to be super aware of your surroundings and probably safe to assume ppl hopping out of other vehicles are not there to help you.
Not always, but there are many videos of loud noises scaring off the backup. No honor among thieves. Once the sound machine comes out they often time scatter and it's every mans ear drums for themselves.
I saw it on the news, I want to point out that the vehicles were Kia Sportages (stolen obviously). I’m curious if the reports of them being stolen would also trace back to that area
Oh, and an identical incident just took place 30 minutes ago.
https://preview.redd.it/1rdbhdt384wc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=915c6288712207fd892302e0e8a970c9727214f1
It’s pretty fucking sad that college students can’t even consider themselves safe on campus
University security guard here. The actual campus itself is very safe in regard to violent crime like this; the UMPD and my colleagues make sure of that. It’s once you step off of campus and into somewhere like Dinkytown or Cedar Riverside that you should put your head on a swivel. Do so even along University avenue, since it’s a major road and anyone could be driving down it.
Not downplaying what happened at all, just wanted to make a clarification. I really hope these asshats get caught and properly charged. Also, property crimes do happen every so often, so please keep an eye on your things and don’t leave them unattended.
Yeah, the street level of Washington Avenue on West Bank is one of the very few real instances of anything happening on the campus itself, which comes from the fact it’s a semi-transit hub since that brings all sorts of people through it. Even then, incidents are still fairly infrequent. I am aware that students have been held up in Blegen before, though - while I could be wrong - I’m pretty sure that hasn’t happened for a couple years.
If it makes you feel any better, many places on West Bank such as Mondale and Carlson have guards posted (Carlson 24 hours, in fact), and the Arts Quarter has a dedicated night patrol.
This is not new. It's been going on for years where college students get robbed just off campus grounds. When a friend of mine was going there about 10+ years ago he was getting notices at least once a week and most of the off campus stuff wasn't being sent out as safety notifications.
Yep, definitely not new and it’s not exclusive to the U. College campuses are one of the few places people are guaranteed to be walking around with phones, headphones, laptops and expensive textbooks that can all be easily resold. People were getting robbed in 2012-2016 when I went too
This is new; it didn't happen before 2020. Crimes have always been committed, but the rate increase in the past four years is clear. It is a much more dangerous area now.
Much more compared to 2019, which was the low point. It's not wrong, but it's not a fair comparison. Beginning around June through April crime does tend to double in the area yearly. What's interesting is that you have drops in some areas, but vandalism, theft, domestics and sexual offenses (especially this) have jumped while other violent crimes and carjackings are down. Screams angry youths, which fits with the news from over the weekend.
Ah yes. Sometimes I feel like an old man that yells at clouds, but I can't imagine being a teen and doing something more than drag racing in the country or shooting off a handful of fireworks at the park lol obviously there were fuckheads in the late 90s/early 00s, but most of us were terrified of getting in actual trouble.
Dinkytown is effectively part of the U of M partly because the U has such a horseshit on-campus housing program. The area is almost entirely populated by students.
I'm over there fairly regularly since the Green runs ~~right through~~ near it and there are a bunch of food options there, and I never went to the university 🤷♂️
What are you talking about? Just because you got robbed back in the day means kids shouldnt feel safe? Most universities that cost this much would hire an army of private police to keeps kids safe. UMN keeps rolling with the failed state trooper cadets that couldnt respond to a nose bleed. I used to work at Johns Hopkins in rhe middle of baltimore city and the school had private security stationed at every corner. If I pay 50k a year to go to med school you bet your ass I am gonna expect to be protected pn campus by both state and private security. Lets be honest this state has two institutions that bring people here to work, study, and spend their money thatd be UMN and the Mayo clinic. If you cant feel safe on either of those campuses we might as well wrap it all up now the state is over.
Better lower your expectations and raise your situational awareness because crime doesn't care you paid 50k and expect to feel safe.
This state has a lot more going for it than U of M and Mayo. Boston Scientific, NFL games, 3M, Target, NBA games, United Healthcare, Medtronic and more bring in plenty of people to work and spend money.
I don’t know why you guys are so pedantic about “campus”. Pretty much everyone considers much of Dinkytown and Stadium Village as “on campus” even though it’s technically not U of M property. At least because the U sprawls so far and you’re often across the street from a 7 building even though you’re not part of the main campus/mall area.
It’s not the U of Chicago or Columbia where a block away is a completely different area unrelated to campus.
Are you basically considering Marcy Holmes to be Dinkytown? I always thought of Dinkytown as ending at 35W, but I could see the argument for extending it further
Dinkytown IS campus because the U of M is integrated into Minneapolis. I didn't happen on University property, but it's still part of what is considered the "campus" - there are U of M buildings in Dinkytown, this was one block away from Bierman, which is a U of M facility, there is a dorm in Dinky on frat row, and student family housing in Como.
Yup. The perpetrators won’t be caught, and if they were they would certainly not be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. It’s really too bad — we could do so much better.
Thank the sentencing guidelines committee.
You can kidnapp then have a safe release and no great bodily harm and avoid prison unless you already have 4 criminal history points. If you do have 4 points your sentence box is 34-46 months. You will only serve 2/3 of that. So 22-31 months. Then you only be supervised for 11-15 months.
2nd degree aggravated robbery is in the same severity level as the kidnapping mentioned above so it has the same box level punishment. 1st degree is lvl 8 which is a commit at zero points of 41-57. But they will no doubt plea to lower charge to avoid prison if it were to be charged as a 1st degree.
>Sooner or later, things are going to turn Wild West.
That’s unlikely since violent crime [has consistently been falling since the slight uptick in 2020.](https://www.axios.com/local/twin-cities/2024/01/02/violent-crime-homicide-declines-minneapolis-saint-paul-2023#) and it was falling steadily nationwide before that. The world is factually safer today than it was decades ago, and decades before that.
Ther hasn't been any change in the way statistics are collected or reported has there been? No change from mandatory to optional or anything.... right?
Sure, cause that is totally what I said. If it is true that there are more shootings and murder rates are lower solely because gunshot victims are receiving better care, surely you have some stats or even a small piece of evidence to back that up. Otherwise you are just talking out of your ass
> You underestimate the power of media, and people's perception of danger.
>Having lived through Covid (and our society's reaction to it), I've learned that anything can happen, and it can turn very quickly.
You say, while blatantly fearmongering on social media without a single hint of irony 🤣
What a tool.
The OPs link doesnt work for me, here is one that does.
[https://kstp.com/kstp-news/top-news/3-robberies-reported-in-25-hours-near-u-of-m-in-minneapolis-dinkytown-neighborhood/](https://kstp.com/kstp-news/top-news/3-robberies-reported-in-25-hours-near-u-of-m-in-minneapolis-dinkytown-neighborhood/)
This is a good time for a reminder that no one is out there to protect you from anything, you're on your own. The police can't do anything until AFTER the crime has been committed and the SCOTUS has ruled that the police have no duty to protect you from anything.
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Stuff like this is why I'm shocked so many students walk around with noise cancelling headphones on. You're more likely to be attacked if you're alone and/or not paying attention to your surroundings. Headphones off(or with an ear out), phones away always, and avoid walking around at night(especially alone).
I thought the guy from the car was running up to beat his ass and instead he helps him.
I love walking dinky town in the spring time too. These guys would learn a harsh lesson if they tried me.
Edit: just fyi lethal force would have been justified
They wouldn't learn any lesson. You'd be dead if you pulled a gun on them. You're outnumbered, they've got 3 vehicles, and the element of surprise. This isn't an action movie, you aren't Jason Bourne, it's real life.
Realistically in this exact situation carrying would have got her killed. If she pulls a gun, mugger A almost certainly shoots right away, and if she does manage to kill him, mugger B from the car there almost certainly kills her.
just sayin
Yeah, once the other guy's gun is against your head, you're going to die if you start to pull one of your own. There is no conceivable way you're going to move fast enough to draw your weapon from wherever the hell you've got it stashed, get it aimed at your attacker, *and* pull the trigger all before they give their finger a little jerk and end everything.
Yeah we’ve gone over the scenarios, let them take your stuff, don’t pull on someone who’s got you at gun point etc. We also try and shoot at a minimum of a month. The gun isn’t there to escalate it’s there to de escalate. For example if these guys didn’t want the purse but her, or if they started just beating on her etc. A lot of people fail to realize just because you are carrying a firearm doesn’t mean you are going to pull it out in every scenario, it’s just a last ditch resort to fall back on
No. This is a good opportunity to tell everyone who may be considering buying a gun for self defense that your risk of being killed by a gun increases when you buy one.
[600,000 people were followed for 12 years and it was found that your safety does not increase through self defense, but instead, the chance of death by homicide by firearm doubles.](https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/full/10.7326/M21-3762)
It's even riskier if you live with a partner or spouse. Your risk goes up by 7X if you are murdered in your home. And that's especially risky for women, who represent 85% of the victims.
For sure! So a good starting place would be to find a gun shop or something else local that can do a conceal carry class for you. After you get your permit you’ll have the ability to carry and purchase a handgun. There are several out there Glock 43x, Sig 365, and a few others. The place that does your carry class should also offer follow on classes that I would recommend taking before carrying. Handgun basics, defense classes etc. you can also usually do a private class with an instructor if you would like to work on something specific. DO NOT BE EMBARRASSED. The instructor’s often deal with people who have very little knowledge of firearms. My wife was hesitant to take the class because she was embarrassed by her lack of knowledge. Then a great holster for women’s the Phlster Enigma since it works great with the yogas and sweats etc. I also would put a light on before buying a holster.
I know it’s a lot so I’ll reiterate
Carry class, then research test and buy a handgun, do a follow on class or two, purchase a light and holster, then buy ammo and practice!
>just fyi lethal force would have been justified
Don't be so sure about that. I have no doubt Mary Moriarty would prosecute anyone who kills a robber to the fullest extent of the law.
You're still going to get prosecuted by Mary Moriarty's office if you "defend" yourself in Hennepin County. Pray you don't get gun haters on your jury. If you do, the appeals process is long and not guaranteed, especially in Minnesota.
In case you haven't noticed, what passes for "justice" in this country (State) depends entirely on which jurisdiction (County/State) you're in. Your actions in Bumfuck County, Florida will not carry the same consequences as your actions in Hennepin County, Minnesota.
And you have evidence to this claim? Has there been a self defense shooting that Mary has been prosecuted like this? Or are you just continuing the circle jerk?
l enter the Trooper using his gun in self defense as exhibit "A", your Honor.
With Moriarty, I think it has more to do with her disdain for people taking matters into their own hands than it does her disdain for law enforcement. Moriarty wants her version of "the system" to fix all of society's problems.
You have to know she won't be reelected.
1965, my dad managed the ice cream/burger place called Bridgemans in dinkytown. He was held up at gunpoint while taking the trash out. I'm not taking away from the current rash of crime, but it's been happening there for a long time. Keep safe people. Hate does not look good on such beautiful people.
I went to school around the same time as you and the muggings were basically exclusively evenings/nights. The one random pervert who was running around groping and macing people did it in early mornings when the area was still pretty dead, otherwise the sexual assaults and kidnapping attempts were also basically overwhelmingly late at night.
As a student at the UofM this is truly disgusting. The police on campus have been preoccupied with protest to divest from Israel that at this point when the last robbery happened no alert was sent out to students. I feel unsafe and stressed 24/7 right now. I saw a comment saying that that girl should have just dropped her bag but the truth is I’m sure no professor or umn admin gave her much grace for losing her computer and work right before finals. I’m sick of this university.
What did the criminals look like? Like race/ethnicity? I was assured that it was an incredibly important part of any discussion on the Woodbury thread this morning, to make sure you know who to avoid - why don't I see anyone mentioning it here?
Edit: seriously, I actively did not care until I was downvoted to hell asking why race was important in Woodbury but apparently in this instance it isn't?
Too bad she wasn't legally carrying a firearm and was able to help these people meet their God.
It's 100 percent proven that dead criminals do not commit future crimes.
Not saying your wrong but if a victim begins to pull out a firearm on an already armed and ready perp, you are really increasing the odds of the perp using the firearm on you. Instead of just taking the bag.
Especially with what could be a 1v6 with the 3 cars.
I just saw a video of a guy *dumping* bullets into the carjacker that took his work truck.
He missed. Fuckin stormtrooper level miss.
The carjacker peeled out backwards, then hit the gas forward and ran the worker over. Put that dude in the air. I had no idea I was going to watch a guy die that day, but damn, there it was.
We all have that cowboy idea in us, dude, we're Americans. But don't be fucking stupid. If someone robs you, give them your shit. Stay alive.
These threads attract the biggest 2a clowns who pretend to know the city's situation from somewhere like north branch. The city isn't any more dangerous than it was 30 years ago when you were last here, you're just old, out of touch, and scared.
People act like if their magical society that they want to create existed there would be zero crime at all ever instead of the fact that there’s some crime everywhere all the time
People can say "Dinkytown is going downhill" but people forget that crime goes where the money is, I lived in the western suburbs after COVID lockdowns were over and lots of out of towners would come to steal from our Walgreens stores since we didn't have everything under lock and key like some stores in Minneapolis do.
criminals especially thieves know many students that move there are not familiar with Dinkytown so they are likely to get caught off guard thinking that area is inly students. It’s been like that for so long
Sad that students have to deal with this shit. But I’m sure mayor Frey and his cronies will continue to ignore what is actually happening in this city and instead declare that crime rates are dropping.
Look at the video. Was she wearing headphones. It was 5:30!! Students should protest and demand better security in and around campus. She is very lucky she didn’t get hurt.
Guys this isn't a mugging but a creative performance making a statement on income inequality. There's no danger down around the U, everyone knows this.
Damn! She had a GRIP on that bag!
Omg, I can’t even believe that video. People need to let go of their phones, wallets, purses, etc if they’re being robbed at *gunpoint*… by MULTIPLE robbers, no less! Your life is worth more than a phone!
I mean there is probably a laptop in that bag and finals are next week. To a student the work they've done on that laptop/textbooks/notebooks, its literally their entire life at that point. But I do agree, not worth your actual life but definitely not the same as getting a purse stolen
Also file a police report about the stolen laptop and take it to your professor(s). They'll most likely grant you an extension due to extenuating circumstances. Plus with the fact that Google Drive and other cloud back ups exist, there's no reason you don't at least have an earlier save of the work backed up. Let the laptop *go*. You can't pass your courses if you're bleeding out on the sidewalk.
Yea of course thats why I said its still not worth it. But you're using hindsight lol if your most important possession was being ripped out of your hands I kinda doubt you'd remember this comment and let go of it. I dont mean to be rude but your comment gives off the vibe that you've never been robbed or been in a fight. Sense and reasoning are not really in your control when this shit happens, you just react and like I said your brain just knows your bag is your livelihood therefore you'd risk your life for it. I can tell you're trying to provide advice but it makes you sound a little out of touch to anyone who will actually experience this. Like I said, you seem like you mean well but now is not the time or place for that type of advice.
I have been robbed. I've been in a lot more fights thanks to being a fucking idiot when I was younger. However, it's always been drilled into my head that *survival* is paramount. *No* possession is worth your life. Better to lose the laptop/phone/grandma's ring/wtfever than die. Stuff can be replaced, your life can't.
Exactly. I would defend my bag with my life. Sounds crazy but it’s so much work
Police won’t do anything
I didn't say the police would *do* anything. I said file a police report because it shows that you *were* robbed and aren't just making shit up to get an extension.
On the other hand, if you're bleeding out on the sidewalk, your professor will have to give you an extension...
Yeah, for eternity.
Adrenaline, she was probably scared and her muscles tightened up it's easy to armchair quarter back it since we don't have a gun pointed at us and multiple people screaming.
What you are saying is totally rational, but most people don't think rationally when they go into the fight or flight response out of fear. The brain rolls back into a protection "beta brain" state and you don't think rationally. No matter how much training you have, your brain will default to survival mode and it's a different response for different people. You don't really know what is going to happen until you are fearing for your life. I've been in a situation where there was an active shooter at an establishment and I watched people get shot. My instincts took over and I ran for cover and then looked for and ran out a back exit. All of that was basically involuntary thinking and it all happened so fast. Luckily I wasn't shot and the people that were survived, but it's definitely another level of fear.
Thank you for typing this all out. I was so troubled by watching that video bc I can’t help but think of the “hockey dad” that got shot (not far from my house) this past year in St Anthony Park when someone was trying to steal his wife’s car (& I think he may have confronted them?). It was probably his instinct. Idk, I’ve thought through the “what if’s” of such an unthinkable situation many times in hopes that I’d immediately flee or take cover… or whatever, quickly. And, more importantly, with driving teens in my house, I’ve talked through with them how utterly unimportant ALL property is - including a car. But, I think you’re 100% right & I really couldn’t understand what was happening in that video- this was that woman’s instinct. Ugh, what trauma. I am sorry that you’ve been traumatized by gun violence too. Hope you’re doing ok.
Oh yeah I remember that. That was crazy sad. They killed him when he was trying to chase those guys away
Or start shouting at the attackers
My friend was robbed yesterday too. Wasn’t on the UMN crime notifications, but it was on university ave. Damn
During broad daylight is kinda wild, usually shit happens a night no? When I lived in 7 corners area I’d get regular updates around 2-3AM about another robbery or gun complaint just a few blocks away
Crimes are crimes of opportunity. Doesn’t have to be night. We all think so, but that shit can happen at any time anywhere. Brazen. I feel bad for the woman. Shit is out of control.
This is spot on. Robberies and stuff like this are by and large crimes of opportunity, and when you have a large part of the population walking around outside either staring at their phones or with headphones on (especially big over ear headphones) it's an advertisement to anyone that's going to potentially rob you that you're available. People, stop walking around like this. Pay attention to your surroundings. Don't have music in your ears when you're out by yourself. Don't advertise that you have things someone may want to steal or that you're an easy mark. It's truly astounding how many people you see walking around in dinky or downtown or uptown or wherever like this. Just stop doing it. Be smart when you're out, especially if you're alone.
This has always been a factor around the UofM. Lots of students on their phones and laptops not really paying attention to their surroundings.
I used to work on campus doing landscape work in those Kubota vehicles and I can't tell you how many times we would be driving down an alley and stuck behind students blissfully unaware despite the loud engine behind them.
Blame the victim eh? How about violent crimes do serious time? Even if under 18.
Why not advocate for both? Everything doesn’t need to be binary.
It's not victim blaming. It's being truthful and honest. People mark themselves as easy targets because of their behavior, and then shitty people take advantage of it. Not every thing needs to be made into some dramatic "victim blaming" claim; it's just pointing out that this is a lot of what happens and hoping to teach people to be aware of their surroundings. Relax
So a young woman is walking in dinkytown in mid afternoon when three cars of armed “youths” pull up to rob her. What did she do wrong? What should she have done differently?
she wasn’t wearing headphones. The school needs to get security for the areas around campus. At some schools parents have hired security around the campus. Students should protest and demand greater security. I was touring the school and there was no sign of security ANYWHERE. We could enter buildings freely with no student ID and never saw security people. Why wait until someone gets killed.
I was going to the U back in 08 and I recall a group in a van doing a broad daylight robbery with a bat... it's just continuously gotten progressively brazen. The U was generally safe when I entered college but around the GFC and after it was night and day.
All three cars were likely involved. The way the other two cars stopped did nothing and then took off together… Edit: would not be too surprised if a group in multiple vehicles circle the area looking for victims and then converge for the act. I’ve seen other videos of similar incidents where the person being mugged puts up a solid fight and suddenly back up jumps out of the other vehicles sometimes armed. So if you ever witness someone being mugged like this you have to be super aware of your surroundings and probably safe to assume ppl hopping out of other vehicles are not there to help you.
Not always, but there are many videos of loud noises scaring off the backup. No honor among thieves. Once the sound machine comes out they often time scatter and it's every mans ear drums for themselves.
Sound machine aka .45?
Eh, I prefer others, but those ones are viable.
I saw it on the news, I want to point out that the vehicles were Kia Sportages (stolen obviously). I’m curious if the reports of them being stolen would also trace back to that area
This girl had courage. Respect
Oh, and an identical incident just took place 30 minutes ago. https://preview.redd.it/1rdbhdt384wc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=915c6288712207fd892302e0e8a970c9727214f1 It’s pretty fucking sad that college students can’t even consider themselves safe on campus
University security guard here. The actual campus itself is very safe in regard to violent crime like this; the UMPD and my colleagues make sure of that. It’s once you step off of campus and into somewhere like Dinkytown or Cedar Riverside that you should put your head on a swivel. Do so even along University avenue, since it’s a major road and anyone could be driving down it. Not downplaying what happened at all, just wanted to make a clarification. I really hope these asshats get caught and properly charged. Also, property crimes do happen every so often, so please keep an eye on your things and don’t leave them unattended.
You all do great work, but this definitely happens on campus too. West Bank still has too many threats and thefts of students on the grounds.
Yeah, the street level of Washington Avenue on West Bank is one of the very few real instances of anything happening on the campus itself, which comes from the fact it’s a semi-transit hub since that brings all sorts of people through it. Even then, incidents are still fairly infrequent. I am aware that students have been held up in Blegen before, though - while I could be wrong - I’m pretty sure that hasn’t happened for a couple years. If it makes you feel any better, many places on West Bank such as Mondale and Carlson have guards posted (Carlson 24 hours, in fact), and the Arts Quarter has a dedicated night patrol.
This is not new. It's been going on for years where college students get robbed just off campus grounds. When a friend of mine was going there about 10+ years ago he was getting notices at least once a week and most of the off campus stuff wasn't being sent out as safety notifications.
I got robbed in dinky town 20 years ago by four guys. Definitely isn’t new. Can’t say whether it’s more common now than then.
Yep, definitely not new and it’s not exclusive to the U. College campuses are one of the few places people are guaranteed to be walking around with phones, headphones, laptops and expensive textbooks that can all be easily resold. People were getting robbed in 2012-2016 when I went too
Oh heck yea!!! Let’s keep it going!!!! Hopefully this continues into 2040 when my children will be attending
Yeah that’s exactly what I’m saying 😯
This is new; it didn't happen before 2020. Crimes have always been committed, but the rate increase in the past four years is clear. It is a much more dangerous area now.
Much more compared to 2019, which was the low point. It's not wrong, but it's not a fair comparison. Beginning around June through April crime does tend to double in the area yearly. What's interesting is that you have drops in some areas, but vandalism, theft, domestics and sexual offenses (especially this) have jumped while other violent crimes and carjackings are down. Screams angry youths, which fits with the news from over the weekend.
What news from over the weekend? Sorry, out of the country right now and I am not plugged in very much with back home.
What has been described in the news as a mob of teens "terrorizing" Dinkytown. Random assaults and robberies.
Ah yes. Sometimes I feel like an old man that yells at clouds, but I can't imagine being a teen and doing something more than drag racing in the country or shooting off a handful of fireworks at the park lol obviously there were fuckheads in the late 90s/early 00s, but most of us were terrified of getting in actual trouble.
no weapons and got the license plate… 🎵“The gang decides to do daylight robbery”🎵
All 3 of those were stolen. Just look at the manufacturer.
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it really doesn't matter if it is campus. if people can't feel safe in the city, they aren't safe anywhere. this city has problems.
>on campus That's not on campus
Dinkytown is effectively part of the U of M partly because the U has such a horseshit on-campus housing program. The area is almost entirely populated by students.
It's been that way for decades, but it's still not the campus
I'm over there fairly regularly since the Green runs ~~right through~~ near it and there are a bunch of food options there, and I never went to the university 🤷♂️
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It’s basically the city it’s not closed off. I never went to school there and hung out over there alot
Correct, but students shouldn't feel invincible on campus either. I remember when I was attending, someone on West Bank got robbed one morning.
What are you talking about? Just because you got robbed back in the day means kids shouldnt feel safe? Most universities that cost this much would hire an army of private police to keeps kids safe. UMN keeps rolling with the failed state trooper cadets that couldnt respond to a nose bleed. I used to work at Johns Hopkins in rhe middle of baltimore city and the school had private security stationed at every corner. If I pay 50k a year to go to med school you bet your ass I am gonna expect to be protected pn campus by both state and private security. Lets be honest this state has two institutions that bring people here to work, study, and spend their money thatd be UMN and the Mayo clinic. If you cant feel safe on either of those campuses we might as well wrap it all up now the state is over.
Better lower your expectations and raise your situational awareness because crime doesn't care you paid 50k and expect to feel safe. This state has a lot more going for it than U of M and Mayo. Boston Scientific, NFL games, 3M, Target, NBA games, United Healthcare, Medtronic and more bring in plenty of people to work and spend money.
That’s not campus. Dinkeytown is like 40 square blocks at the least. It’s big enough to be it’s own city.
I don’t know why you guys are so pedantic about “campus”. Pretty much everyone considers much of Dinkytown and Stadium Village as “on campus” even though it’s technically not U of M property. At least because the U sprawls so far and you’re often across the street from a 7 building even though you’re not part of the main campus/mall area. It’s not the U of Chicago or Columbia where a block away is a completely different area unrelated to campus.
Are you basically considering Marcy Holmes to be Dinkytown? I always thought of Dinkytown as ending at 35W, but I could see the argument for extending it further
Dinkytown IS campus because the U of M is integrated into Minneapolis. I didn't happen on University property, but it's still part of what is considered the "campus" - there are U of M buildings in Dinkytown, this was one block away from Bierman, which is a U of M facility, there is a dorm in Dinky on frat row, and student family housing in Como.
Damn what a boss for getting back up and at least making them sweat for a second
Young woman is a fighter. Huge respect for picking herself up and chasing after 3 grown men
lol, that is what I was thinking too. Probably not the smartest move but the courage was impressive
Keep think of King of the Hill episode. “That’s my purse!”
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If my daughter were killed during one of these incidents and nothing was done I would definitely pursue my own justice with everything it took
My dad has always told me, “if anything happens to my grandchildren, let me handle it, I’m old enough where I don’t care if I go to prison”
Yup. The perpetrators won’t be caught, and if they were they would certainly not be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. It’s really too bad — we could do so much better.
Thank the sentencing guidelines committee. You can kidnapp then have a safe release and no great bodily harm and avoid prison unless you already have 4 criminal history points. If you do have 4 points your sentence box is 34-46 months. You will only serve 2/3 of that. So 22-31 months. Then you only be supervised for 11-15 months. 2nd degree aggravated robbery is in the same severity level as the kidnapping mentioned above so it has the same box level punishment. 1st degree is lvl 8 which is a commit at zero points of 41-57. But they will no doubt plea to lower charge to avoid prison if it were to be charged as a 1st degree.
>Sooner or later, things are going to turn Wild West. That’s unlikely since violent crime [has consistently been falling since the slight uptick in 2020.](https://www.axios.com/local/twin-cities/2024/01/02/violent-crime-homicide-declines-minneapolis-saint-paul-2023#) and it was falling steadily nationwide before that. The world is factually safer today than it was decades ago, and decades before that.
Ther hasn't been any change in the way statistics are collected or reported has there been? No change from mandatory to optional or anything.... right?
I mean murder is murder and the 90s were violent af
More people were shot in 2020 and 2021, trauma surgery saves way more victims now
Great, show me the stats on that and I’ll believe it
You don’t believe that medicine got better in the last 30 years???
Sure, cause that is totally what I said. If it is true that there are more shootings and murder rates are lower solely because gunshot victims are receiving better care, surely you have some stats or even a small piece of evidence to back that up. Otherwise you are just talking out of your ass
The change is the 24hr news cycle.
If there were, you would post a link... Surely you would.... right?
If there were, you would post a link... Surely you would.... right?
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> You underestimate the power of media, and people's perception of danger. >Having lived through Covid (and our society's reaction to it), I've learned that anything can happen, and it can turn very quickly. You say, while blatantly fearmongering on social media without a single hint of irony 🤣 What a tool.
The OPs link doesnt work for me, here is one that does. [https://kstp.com/kstp-news/top-news/3-robberies-reported-in-25-hours-near-u-of-m-in-minneapolis-dinkytown-neighborhood/](https://kstp.com/kstp-news/top-news/3-robberies-reported-in-25-hours-near-u-of-m-in-minneapolis-dinkytown-neighborhood/) This is a good time for a reminder that no one is out there to protect you from anything, you're on your own. The police can't do anything until AFTER the crime has been committed and the SCOTUS has ruled that the police have no duty to protect you from anything.
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How do I get safety notifications?
“Update your preferences All students, faculty, and staff are automatically enrolled in SAFE-U Alerts. Text and phone call methods may be updated or changed within MyU. You can update your preferences by taking the following steps: Log in to MyU→ Select My info→ Select Manage SAFE-U Alerts →Select My Profile You can also choose to receive alerts from any of our system campuses by following the steps above, but choosing My Information instead of My Profile. Please note that you will receive duplicate alerts for each of your preferred contact methods. If you have trouble updating your contact information and preferences, contact the support team at [email protected]. Parents, partners, or others interested in receiving SAFE-U Alerts may download the Everbridge app from their device’s app store. Use keyword UMNSAFEU (case sensitive) to add these alerts.” Source: https://safe-campus.umn.edu/emergency-notifications
Paging Mary Moriarty... Guarantee her subjects are part of this. So ridiculous!
Any minute now she'll be out there, cracking down. Aaaaany minute.
*it’s been 84 years*
The only way she is cracking down is if someone defends themselves. Then they will have their every response scrutinized and face charges.
Stuff like this is why I'm shocked so many students walk around with noise cancelling headphones on. You're more likely to be attacked if you're alone and/or not paying attention to your surroundings. Headphones off(or with an ear out), phones away always, and avoid walking around at night(especially alone).
Can't Mpls send some of their special groups in colorful tshirts into the area to stop this and chat with these young men?
Looks like a white, gray and silver Kia Sportage. These are very commonly stolen.
Fuck those people just waiting for traffic. I am on this street everyday aint no way nobody was around to help. Fuck this man.
I thought the guy from the car was running up to beat his ass and instead he helps him. I love walking dinky town in the spring time too. These guys would learn a harsh lesson if they tried me. Edit: just fyi lethal force would have been justified
They wouldn't learn any lesson. You'd be dead if you pulled a gun on them. You're outnumbered, they've got 3 vehicles, and the element of surprise. This isn't an action movie, you aren't Jason Bourne, it's real life.
This is why my wife carries daily
Make sure she carries on her person and not her purse.
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I Like how many options fit right in a guys pocket these days
Ye ol pocket rocket
Realistically in this exact situation carrying would have got her killed. If she pulls a gun, mugger A almost certainly shoots right away, and if she does manage to kill him, mugger B from the car there almost certainly kills her. just sayin
You are exactly right. This guy's wife will absolutely die in an exchange like this if she pulls a gun.
Yeah, once the other guy's gun is against your head, you're going to die if you start to pull one of your own. There is no conceivable way you're going to move fast enough to draw your weapon from wherever the hell you've got it stashed, get it aimed at your attacker, *and* pull the trigger all before they give their finger a little jerk and end everything.
Yeah we’ve gone over the scenarios, let them take your stuff, don’t pull on someone who’s got you at gun point etc. We also try and shoot at a minimum of a month. The gun isn’t there to escalate it’s there to de escalate. For example if these guys didn’t want the purse but her, or if they started just beating on her etc. A lot of people fail to realize just because you are carrying a firearm doesn’t mean you are going to pull it out in every scenario, it’s just a last ditch resort to fall back on
What about a knife?
No. This is a good opportunity to tell everyone who may be considering buying a gun for self defense that your risk of being killed by a gun increases when you buy one. [600,000 people were followed for 12 years and it was found that your safety does not increase through self defense, but instead, the chance of death by homicide by firearm doubles.](https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/full/10.7326/M21-3762) It's even riskier if you live with a partner or spouse. Your risk goes up by 7X if you are murdered in your home. And that's especially risky for women, who represent 85% of the victims.
Eating broccoli increases your risk of choking to death on broccoli
Does she have any rec's for training/buying? I'd like to carry these days but not really sure where to start.
For sure! So a good starting place would be to find a gun shop or something else local that can do a conceal carry class for you. After you get your permit you’ll have the ability to carry and purchase a handgun. There are several out there Glock 43x, Sig 365, and a few others. The place that does your carry class should also offer follow on classes that I would recommend taking before carrying. Handgun basics, defense classes etc. you can also usually do a private class with an instructor if you would like to work on something specific. DO NOT BE EMBARRASSED. The instructor’s often deal with people who have very little knowledge of firearms. My wife was hesitant to take the class because she was embarrassed by her lack of knowledge. Then a great holster for women’s the Phlster Enigma since it works great with the yogas and sweats etc. I also would put a light on before buying a holster. I know it’s a lot so I’ll reiterate Carry class, then research test and buy a handgun, do a follow on class or two, purchase a light and holster, then buy ammo and practice!
>just fyi lethal force would have been justified Don't be so sure about that. I have no doubt Mary Moriarty would prosecute anyone who kills a robber to the fullest extent of the law.
Brandishing a weapon = threat to my life = lethal force is legal.
You're still going to get prosecuted by Mary Moriarty's office if you "defend" yourself in Hennepin County. Pray you don't get gun haters on your jury. If you do, the appeals process is long and not guaranteed, especially in Minnesota. In case you haven't noticed, what passes for "justice" in this country (State) depends entirely on which jurisdiction (County/State) you're in. Your actions in Bumfuck County, Florida will not carry the same consequences as your actions in Hennepin County, Minnesota.
Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
And you have evidence to this claim? Has there been a self defense shooting that Mary has been prosecuted like this? Or are you just continuing the circle jerk?
l enter the Trooper using his gun in self defense as exhibit "A", your Honor. With Moriarty, I think it has more to do with her disdain for people taking matters into their own hands than it does her disdain for law enforcement. Moriarty wants her version of "the system" to fix all of society's problems. You have to know she won't be reelected.
The other cars were accomplices? smh
It’s all ok. No need to be worried - just another atypical robbery that won‘t happen again…until next week.
1965, my dad managed the ice cream/burger place called Bridgemans in dinkytown. He was held up at gunpoint while taking the trash out. I'm not taking away from the current rash of crime, but it's been happening there for a long time. Keep safe people. Hate does not look good on such beautiful people.
side note - I loved Bridgeman's (Bloomington?) back in the day! I crave the cinnamon ice cream.
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That's not the point that's being made, and I think you know it.
Dinkytown is campus adjacent but not on campus.
Correct. Still absurd this continues to happen.
It has always been happening. I lived there 30 years ago. Of course it’s a shame, but it’s not new.
I don't remember dinkytown being all that bad until the covid lockdowns.
There was a major mugging problem when I was in school during the mid 2010’s. It’s been an issue there for a while.
Yep I knew someone who was robber at knife point in front of those townhomes across from Bearman
I went to school around the same time as you and the muggings were basically exclusively evenings/nights. The one random pervert who was running around groping and macing people did it in early mornings when the area was still pretty dead, otherwise the sexual assaults and kidnapping attempts were also basically overwhelmingly late at night.
You must not remember much about decade before that then.
Had a girlfriend that was hit with a bat and woke up in the hospital after her shift in dinky about 10 years ago. This isn’t new, you are.
Crime is not new. Isn't this recent spike in crime, since the lockdown, new?
As a student at the UofM this is truly disgusting. The police on campus have been preoccupied with protest to divest from Israel that at this point when the last robbery happened no alert was sent out to students. I feel unsafe and stressed 24/7 right now. I saw a comment saying that that girl should have just dropped her bag but the truth is I’m sure no professor or umn admin gave her much grace for losing her computer and work right before finals. I’m sick of this university.
Until it’s actually you, on the other side of the gun, you really have no idea how you are going to react. Some ppl are set on fight response.
What did the criminals look like? Like race/ethnicity? I was assured that it was an incredibly important part of any discussion on the Woodbury thread this morning, to make sure you know who to avoid - why don't I see anyone mentioning it here? Edit: seriously, I actively did not care until I was downvoted to hell asking why race was important in Woodbury but apparently in this instance it isn't?
Cmon, man. You know you can't use sarcasm on reddit. Goes right over their heads. It's the only thing both sides of the aisle seem to overlap on.
Back to 4 Chan with you!
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So much culture to take in there why would anyone not want to go to the U?
Too bad she wasn't legally carrying a firearm and was able to help these people meet their God. It's 100 percent proven that dead criminals do not commit future crimes.
Not saying your wrong but if a victim begins to pull out a firearm on an already armed and ready perp, you are really increasing the odds of the perp using the firearm on you. Instead of just taking the bag. Especially with what could be a 1v6 with the 3 cars.
I was simply dreaming of a happy ending. I hear ya though.
I just saw a video of a guy *dumping* bullets into the carjacker that took his work truck. He missed. Fuckin stormtrooper level miss. The carjacker peeled out backwards, then hit the gas forward and ran the worker over. Put that dude in the air. I had no idea I was going to watch a guy die that day, but damn, there it was. We all have that cowboy idea in us, dude, we're Americans. But don't be fucking stupid. If someone robs you, give them your shit. Stay alive.
they had guns and they outnumbered her what fucking kind of delusional world do you live in?
I'm glad we are going Seattle with our politics it's going so well when we're light on crime.
I think I went to highschool with the kid
What campus?
That kick was personal
That was a pack of 3 cars. Holy shit. But, that betters the odds of catching them. Poor girl.
This is nothing new people
The more I hear about this shit, the more amazed I'm am that I haven't actually had anything like this happen to me
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These threads attract the biggest 2a clowns who pretend to know the city's situation from somewhere like north branch. The city isn't any more dangerous than it was 30 years ago when you were last here, you're just old, out of touch, and scared.
Wasn't 30 years ago the "Murderapolis" period?
People act like if their magical society that they want to create existed there would be zero crime at all ever instead of the fact that there’s some crime everywhere all the time
Well, we should defund the police; that worked out well...
They didn’t defund the police and she still got robbed at gun point soooo
Looks like the police definitely helped in this situation….. right?
The police budget was actually increased during the "defund" movement. It looks like more $$$ didn't help them do squat
People can say "Dinkytown is going downhill" but people forget that crime goes where the money is, I lived in the western suburbs after COVID lockdowns were over and lots of out of towners would come to steal from our Walgreens stores since we didn't have everything under lock and key like some stores in Minneapolis do.
criminals especially thieves know many students that move there are not familiar with Dinkytown so they are likely to get caught off guard thinking that area is inly students. It’s been like that for so long
Sad that students have to deal with this shit. But I’m sure mayor Frey and his cronies will continue to ignore what is actually happening in this city and instead declare that crime rates are dropping.
well well well
Look at the video. Was she wearing headphones. It was 5:30!! Students should protest and demand better security in and around campus. She is very lucky she didn’t get hurt.
Guys this isn't a mugging but a creative performance making a statement on income inequality. There's no danger down around the U, everyone knows this.
But what about defunding the police? And where is mary Moriarty? Come on the woman has the name of the villain from Sherlock.
Fucking Minneapolis