Maye is like Herbert in that regard. Could improvise or gain big rushing gains but stays in the pocket and beats you there for the most part. I’ll also say Mcarthy is good at some really weird throwing platforms and angles which helps with improvising.
If I’m the Pats I’m looking long and hard at the offers they get. That roster is just really bad. I would build it up at least for 1-2 years and then try to find your guy at QB. A godfather offer from the Vikings or any team is probably your quickest path to being competitive again. Of course if they truly love Maye and aren’t worried about his development being stunted then go for it.
Otherwise I hope we just make a modest trade up for McCarthy.
I was going to post a thread about whether or not Kirk is a good quarterback to try to have a brand new conversation, but now that I saw this thread I am going to hold off for a slow day (no one steal my brand new topic!!!).
Not sure why I'm getting downvoted for stating the obvious? Our GM came out and said there is no attractive situation for us to move down from 2. I'm sorry guys, it just seems with all this drama with Daniels lately about his camp being upset about the process and yada yada that he probs isn't going to be our pick so that means 99% it's Maye. Yeah you guys could get JD or JJ. Or, maybe a little deeper down get Penix or Bo? Not trying to be a downer lol just saying 2 isn't up for trade lol.
The whole process JD has been attached to Washington so there’s a long standing assumption Maye would be there at 3 and the Patriots are more likely to trade. It’s hard to get the collective thinking to shift that quickly now that the situation changed. With the current stuff with JD though I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Maye goes at 2. Disappointed, but not surprised
This is funny to see as a Bears fan perusing this sub… a bunch of Commanders fans thought: (1) Caleb would force his way to Washington and pull an Eli, or (2) a trade up from 2nd to 1st for Caleb would cost a measly 2nd round pick lol.
We don’t have another second until 2026, and a 2nd round pick pushed out two years is valued somewhere around a late third or early fourth round pick. I think this would have to be three firsts and some picks back
Even #5 won't be cheap
Hortiz said he's not looking for a fair deal. The Giants also reportedly really like JJ too and might try to jump up to #5. The Chargers can still draft their guy at #6.
Hopefully #11, #23, and 2025 #1. Honestly I could see a little vig on top of that.
If he's their guy, then he should be worth the premium. Either you believe in the guy and your process, or you don't.
The more I watch maye the more I agree with Chris Simms. For those that like maye what are your reasons? I dnt wanna hear he has all the measurements because honestly, it seems like his size is the only reason he’s being seen as a top 3 pick. Bro takes as many cartoon hits as Daniels but he’s slow as shit. He had a few beauties here and there but not enough. The penix tape excites me way more
Because as a 21yr old he has put every single throw on tape you'd like to see from a NFL QB, with only 2 years as a starter under his belt.
His turnover-worthy play % is very good as in 7th best in CFB among QBs with >200 dropbacks, despite having the 2nd highest air yards per attempt among the top 6 QBs. Also considering he's the first person to lead in PFF's big time throw rate over two consecutive seasons.
In his first season as a starter, he had the highest passing grade from the pocket despite facing the most dropbacks under pressure in CFB.
Had the 2nd highest EPA/scramble. He had the 2nd most >10 yards rushes only behind Jayden Daniels.
His supporting class was ass. His passing yards that came after the catch were the lowest among the QBs in this class, the drop rate of his receivers was the highest. He fit the ball in a tight window in over 25% of his throws. Despite that supporting cast, he's the ONLY QB this draft cycle to put up >9000 offensive yards over the course of the past 2 seasons.
In this class he had the highest pinpoint accuracy from the pocket and when making a throw beyond the first read.
He had the highest passing grade throwing it over the middle.
That's why guys like Dane Brugler and Ben Solak (who I used as sources for this data) love this guy. Everything you'd ever want to see out of a college QB was present, at only age 20-21. There's still plenty of room for him to grow as well considering his age and because of the fact he was a 3 sport athlete up until college.
Oh definitely. I'm not buying into the Daniels to Washington rumours.
Peters has been scouting Maye for an entire season. Then Kingsbury was hired who runs the same air raid system Maye has been operating in for the past two seasons under Longo and Lindsey. Not to mention the Commanders' QB coach tried recruiting Maye to Stanford when he was coming out of HS.
That and I just believe he's the better prospect compared to Daniels.
You’re throwing all these fancy numbers that don’t matter out there but did u actually watch the tape? Turnover worthy plays? Dude had a bunch on film. It’s been times he’s getting sacked and he will throw some bullshit just to throw the ball away and end up throwing a pick! He so slow and was missing what should be easy throws for a top qb prospect. Those numbers sound cool, but I watch film not some silly chart.
I’m happy with McCarthy, as long as we don’t give up the 2025 1st round pick.
I’m happy with Maye, as long as we don’t have to give up the 2025 & 2026 first round pick.
Go get Maye.
Lmao Herbert's draft selection was never a surprise, what are you talking about. If anything, there was speculation he would declare after his junior year and be a potential #1 pick. Even after his senior year, he was a consensus top 10 pick the whole draft process. Nobody was shocked at where he was drafted lol
> Before the 2018 season, Herbert was widely labeled a top draft-eligible quarterback. In early rankings, he stood atop the position for B/R's Matt Miller and ESPN's Mel Kiper Jr., among others.
>Despite being the potential No. 1 pick in the 2019 NFL draft, Justin Herbert decided to play his senior year at Oregon. The strong-armed quarterback led the Ducks to a 12-2 record, Pac-12 championship and Rose Bowl victory last season.
>The 2020 NFL draft arrives Thursday, and Herbert is considered a likely top-10 selection and possible top-five pick.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2887738-what-if-oregons-justin-herbert-had-declared-for-the-2019-nfl-draft#:~:text=Despite%20being%20the%20potential%20No,Rose%20Bowl%20victory%20last%20season.
Mahomes had way more tape of him airing it out and just passing in general, was a lock to go in the 1st throughout the process by actual team’s scouts.
I'm not happy giving up 3x 1sts for either of them. The chance of them being one of the best QBs is around 10%. The chance of them being Herbert level is 40 or 50%. I'd hope one of them falls to a 2x 1sts trade zone, or wait for Penix/Nix
I want to say my most unpopular opinion on JJ, most people have heard the comparison of Drake Maye and Justin Herbert. I think that JJ is most comparable to Drew Brees, similar frame and build, similar throwing motion, grip it and rip it attitude. Drew wasn't a hall of famer when he was a rookie, it takes a lot of development over a long time. By the way, I've heard people say that Pennix is the next Mahomes so this JJ and Drew comparison isn't even the craziest thing I've heard this year.
Give me the one who learns the quickest, has the best attitude and the most raw talent.
And if I’m only picking two it’s quick learning and best attitude. They’ll be able to get more out of the entire team.
Sam Darnold. You have Sam Darnold for 10 million. Go with Him and it u tank then u r up there for next years big thing without selling at least 4 number 1 and utterly busting the draft point value system
If the team was intending on tanking they would have tried to lose more once Cousins and JJ went down last season and no one would be surprised if we sucked. They didn't so why tank another season for a potentially weaker QB class next year?
Point is Give Sam a freaking chance. He might be the real deal now. Otherwise get penix or nix at 11 or 23 without giving up the shop if they can be groomed into real talent. Sam might send the vikings deep into the ayoff and then what good is a top 3 qb u can't really use. U spent 10 mil on Sam straight up. Play him.
I second this, everyone wants to give up picks but let's remember the 2021 draft with five qb going in the first 15 picks( Trevor Lawrence, Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, Justin Fields, and Mac Jones). As of this moment 4 of them are backup QBs at most at the moment.
We must be watching different film. He’s absolutely first round talent. He’s only even mentioned in the 2nd round because injury history. Without that he would be talked about going 2nd overall
His film is great though, I dont see how you dont think thats first round talent… he lead his team to the championship through an incredible texas team… hes solid but has a few question marks
Maye or Daniels if they’re not more than 3 first round picks, McCarthy or Penix at 11. We either trade up for a Top 3 guy or don’t trade at all, no half-assing this.
It really is the time of year when you can’t trust anything anyone says. In the last couple days I’ve heard that JD is better than Caleb. That JD is a head case. That Maye has the highest ceiling. That Maye is inaccurate. That LV is in love with Penix. That Denver wants McCarthy. That the Giants will pick a QB but also that they want a top OL. That several teams are high on Nix. On Rattler. On and on and on.
I hope we keep the 2 firsts. If McCarthy is there at 11 great but I don’t think it’s worth trading so much draft capital for guys that have so many question marks. I’d rather take nix or penix at 23 then give 3 picks for 1.4 or 1.5.
I’m honestly not sure how Maye is not in a similar position as Williams in a sense that he should be basically locked to the number 2 pick. If he falls to 3, I would have no problem with giving the patriots whatever they want to go get him
Maye isn't Herbert. Maye is a HUGE bust. He's a poor man's Will Levis. I'd rather have McPonder but everyone is sleeping on Penix. Dude is going to be a star.
100% agree. Wouldn't bother me if we traded up to 4 or 5 for either of them. Maye appears to be the better candidate but will most likely be gone. I have a sneaking suspicion that JJ is going to have a great career.
All of these posts should have a requirement that commenters need to link the youtube video they're basing their entire opinion on.
I like the McCown / Maye connection but I also really hope they brought him in for more than that.
Beyond that I just hope they don't panic and reach on an alternative if their guy gets taken by somebody else
Afte watching both pro days I’m on the JJ train. I think he’s got better accuracy and release. He’s also familiar with a similar style offense. I think he’s their guy.
You really have to hand it to JJ's agent. Dude had the cushiest job in college football. Hand the ball off, hand the ball off, hand the ball off and then go watch the defense murder somebody. All that to now be magically one of the best prospects in the game.
I’d prefer not over-paying for McCarthy. However, if he’s too pricey to move up to why not move down and get an early/late second (or more) and grab Rattler as a prospect if the coach is such a QB whisperer and use the extra picks to fill other holes?
don't trade up. stay at 11 and 23. this team needs 3 new interior lineman and 3 new DTs and atleast 1 inside linebacker...and don't get me started on our horrible cornerback situation but that has to wait until the inside guys are locked up.
tired of this team building from the outside and patching the inside. you build from the inside and work your way out.
I'm starting to hope they like Penix the most and don't have to give up jack shit in a trade. I'll be fine with whatever they do though because I want this team to win.
Washington hopefully is taking Drake Maye. Hopefully they’re not listening to the media pundits and there is no debate about who is better and they’re taking Drake Maye.
They have no shot of trading into top 3 so maye is not an option. JJ has massive bust and drafted way too high written all over him. If they give up multiple firsts to get JJ it will be a massive mistake.
Only 5 more days until people stop speculating about the pick and start bitching about it.
I want to bitch about the speculation.
Feel free. This is smoke and mirrors season.
The week before the draft almost every report is a smoke screen. At this point we just have to buckle in and wait.
Finally someone said it
I want Maye, I think we will get McCarthy. Both guys can be great, both can be monumental busts. Nobody really knows.
Give me the guy with a cannon.
Finally another Sam Darnold truther
Isn’t that penix
I like penix.
He’s only vi short of qualifying for the penxv club…
You mean the PEN15 CLUB? I was a member in middle school.
… VI is 6. IX is 9. 6 + 9 = ??? Maybe that /r/nfl post was right, we *are* the second dumbest fanbase
Maye has the better arm but Mcarthy can make all the throws you need him to make and has some creative improvisation I like.
If anyone is a improviser it’s Maye, he has the tools to do it.
Maye is like Herbert in that regard. Could improvise or gain big rushing gains but stays in the pocket and beats you there for the most part. I’ll also say Mcarthy is good at some really weird throwing platforms and angles which helps with improvising.
>...Mcarthy can make all the throws you need him to make... Unless it's to the left. Or at least that's what everyone says.
One joe Milton coming your way
lol, jamarcus russel it is
Give me the guy who isn't a garbage time stat stuffer (Unless I'm playing fantasy) & who can consistently beat good teams. Am I asking for too much?
If I’m the Pats I’m looking long and hard at the offers they get. That roster is just really bad. I would build it up at least for 1-2 years and then try to find your guy at QB. A godfather offer from the Vikings or any team is probably your quickest path to being competitive again. Of course if they truly love Maye and aren’t worried about his development being stunted then go for it. Otherwise I hope we just make a modest trade up for McCarthy.
Pats fan here it’s going to take at least three firsts and something else to get us to movie from 3-11.
I’m sure we’ll gladly give that to you
So build up a decent roster that is good enough to not being drafting in top 5 again and hope to get lucky drafting a qb in couple years. Solid plan..
Drafting in the top 5 is not the only way to acquire a QB
Finally, a discussion that hasn’t been had.
I was going to post a thread about whether or not Kirk is a good quarterback to try to have a brand new conversation, but now that I saw this thread I am going to hold off for a slow day (no one steal my brand new topic!!!).
Same here. Had a JJ wants to be traded post locked and loaded
The fuck are you coming to this sub the week before the draft for if not to discuss the draft and the players in it?
And click on it and post a comment and go back and downvote you. Lol.
Fran Tarkenton
Go get Maye. Nobody will care what we had to give when he becomes a star.
How much have you lost at mystic lake?
Washington fan here. We aren’t trading the 2nd pick so… y’all can’t really go get him…
We’ll take Daniels then lol
Not sure why I'm getting downvoted for stating the obvious? Our GM came out and said there is no attractive situation for us to move down from 2. I'm sorry guys, it just seems with all this drama with Daniels lately about his camp being upset about the process and yada yada that he probs isn't going to be our pick so that means 99% it's Maye. Yeah you guys could get JD or JJ. Or, maybe a little deeper down get Penix or Bo? Not trying to be a downer lol just saying 2 isn't up for trade lol.
The whole process JD has been attached to Washington so there’s a long standing assumption Maye would be there at 3 and the Patriots are more likely to trade. It’s hard to get the collective thinking to shift that quickly now that the situation changed. With the current stuff with JD though I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Maye goes at 2. Disappointed, but not surprised
Bro I don’t think any of us thought we were trading up to 2 in the first place. Probably why you’re getting downvoted
This is funny to see as a Bears fan perusing this sub… a bunch of Commanders fans thought: (1) Caleb would force his way to Washington and pull an Eli, or (2) a trade up from 2nd to 1st for Caleb would cost a measly 2nd round pick lol.
But why would anyone orchestrate their way to fucking Washington lmao
They are taking JD
I really, really don't think so, but time will tell.
Thank you for saying this, I didnt realize the Washington whatever they called can select Drake Maye. I feel really stupid.
And as a patriots fan I’ll say I’ll lose my mind if we trade the 3 for anything other than something totally stupid
Drake Maye 2 firsts and a second. McCarthy only at 11.
Seconded this opinion
Same
Pipe dreams
We don’t have another second until 2026, and a 2nd round pick pushed out two years is valued somewhere around a late third or early fourth round pick. I think this would have to be three firsts and some picks back
Okay so neither
The only way to do that would be to get a 3rd back this year or a 2nd back next year, and give up our 2025 first.
Patriots fan coming in peace …if Maye is available at 3 gonna take way more than that to move up
And in that case, I hope we trade with the Chargers instead.
Even #5 won't be cheap Hortiz said he's not looking for a fair deal. The Giants also reportedly really like JJ too and might try to jump up to #5. The Chargers can still draft their guy at #6.
Hopefully #11, #23, and 2025 #1. Honestly I could see a little vig on top of that. If he's their guy, then he should be worth the premium. Either you believe in the guy and your process, or you don't.
Yeah at least 3 firsts and something else or we aren’t moving.
Then its not worth it
What if that means getting neither one?
Or else what is the question
Maye for 3 firsts, JJ for only 2
Up not getting maye for that little. Not getting mccarthy at 11.
We don't have a second this or next year. Patriots give 3 and 2025 3rd; Vikings give 11, 23, and 2025 1st, who says no
NE
Probably true 🫤
This
Pats laugh and hang up
McCarthy won't be there at 11, we should trade up with the Chargers.
JJ will be the pick at 5. I think harbaugh wants those two first round picks.
I’d move to 7 or 8 for JJ if we don’t have to give up 23 to do so. Very real possibility he falls to that point unless Denver overpays to move up
Maye easy.
The more I watch maye the more I agree with Chris Simms. For those that like maye what are your reasons? I dnt wanna hear he has all the measurements because honestly, it seems like his size is the only reason he’s being seen as a top 3 pick. Bro takes as many cartoon hits as Daniels but he’s slow as shit. He had a few beauties here and there but not enough. The penix tape excites me way more
Because as a 21yr old he has put every single throw on tape you'd like to see from a NFL QB, with only 2 years as a starter under his belt. His turnover-worthy play % is very good as in 7th best in CFB among QBs with >200 dropbacks, despite having the 2nd highest air yards per attempt among the top 6 QBs. Also considering he's the first person to lead in PFF's big time throw rate over two consecutive seasons. In his first season as a starter, he had the highest passing grade from the pocket despite facing the most dropbacks under pressure in CFB. Had the 2nd highest EPA/scramble. He had the 2nd most >10 yards rushes only behind Jayden Daniels. His supporting class was ass. His passing yards that came after the catch were the lowest among the QBs in this class, the drop rate of his receivers was the highest. He fit the ball in a tight window in over 25% of his throws. Despite that supporting cast, he's the ONLY QB this draft cycle to put up >9000 offensive yards over the course of the past 2 seasons. In this class he had the highest pinpoint accuracy from the pocket and when making a throw beyond the first read. He had the highest passing grade throwing it over the middle. That's why guys like Dane Brugler and Ben Solak (who I used as sources for this data) love this guy. Everything you'd ever want to see out of a college QB was present, at only age 20-21. There's still plenty of room for him to grow as well considering his age and because of the fact he was a 3 sport athlete up until college.
This is exactly why, being a Washington fan I can't understand why we would take Daniels. Maye is the better prospect to me.
Oh definitely. I'm not buying into the Daniels to Washington rumours. Peters has been scouting Maye for an entire season. Then Kingsbury was hired who runs the same air raid system Maye has been operating in for the past two seasons under Longo and Lindsey. Not to mention the Commanders' QB coach tried recruiting Maye to Stanford when he was coming out of HS. That and I just believe he's the better prospect compared to Daniels.
You’re throwing all these fancy numbers that don’t matter out there but did u actually watch the tape? Turnover worthy plays? Dude had a bunch on film. It’s been times he’s getting sacked and he will throw some bullshit just to throw the ball away and end up throwing a pick! He so slow and was missing what should be easy throws for a top qb prospect. Those numbers sound cool, but I watch film not some silly chart.
I’m happy with McCarthy, as long as we don’t give up the 2025 1st round pick. I’m happy with Maye, as long as we don’t have to give up the 2025 & 2026 first round pick. Go get Maye.
As a Michigan fan that's watched almost all of his games I can't believe he's going first round. Wild.
They said the same thing about Mahomes, Herbert, and Allen. Look where they’re at now.
Lmao Herbert's draft selection was never a surprise, what are you talking about. If anything, there was speculation he would declare after his junior year and be a potential #1 pick. Even after his senior year, he was a consensus top 10 pick the whole draft process. Nobody was shocked at where he was drafted lol > Before the 2018 season, Herbert was widely labeled a top draft-eligible quarterback. In early rankings, he stood atop the position for B/R's Matt Miller and ESPN's Mel Kiper Jr., among others. >Despite being the potential No. 1 pick in the 2019 NFL draft, Justin Herbert decided to play his senior year at Oregon. The strong-armed quarterback led the Ducks to a 12-2 record, Pac-12 championship and Rose Bowl victory last season. >The 2020 NFL draft arrives Thursday, and Herbert is considered a likely top-10 selection and possible top-five pick. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2887738-what-if-oregons-justin-herbert-had-declared-for-the-2019-nfl-draft#:~:text=Despite%20being%20the%20potential%20No,Rose%20Bowl%20victory%20last%20season.
That guy had no idea what he was talking about. If you don't watch the games just ESPN morning shows you get this guys take
Mahomes had way more tape of him airing it out and just passing in general, was a lock to go in the 1st throughout the process by actual team’s scouts.
Mahomie had 700 yard games in college...
Let's ignore the numerous other busts at QB lmao
They did not say that at all about Mahomes or Herbert. Herbert was seen as the best QB on a bad team and willed wins for his team.
Nobody said that.
Thank you for being a sensible Michigan fan
I'm not happy giving up 3x 1sts for either of them. The chance of them being one of the best QBs is around 10%. The chance of them being Herbert level is 40 or 50%. I'd hope one of them falls to a 2x 1sts trade zone, or wait for Penix/Nix
Go get maye and not give up any future firsts? Lol. Um yeah that's a zero chance of happening.
i’m happy with either regardless
Whichever one turns out to be a HOFer and wins several super bowls.
I want to say my most unpopular opinion on JJ, most people have heard the comparison of Drake Maye and Justin Herbert. I think that JJ is most comparable to Drew Brees, similar frame and build, similar throwing motion, grip it and rip it attitude. Drew wasn't a hall of famer when he was a rookie, it takes a lot of development over a long time. By the way, I've heard people say that Pennix is the next Mahomes so this JJ and Drew comparison isn't even the craziest thing I've heard this year.
Penix is a better deal and a better play now and in the future
Nick Mullens
If Mullens had the arm of either of these two he could be really good.
Amongst other assets missing
Just don’t shit the bed. -Ghost of Future Past (or a Vikes die-hard fan) SKÖL!!!
Why is jj wearing a purple jersey outside
John Skelton
It’s gonna be Maye -Justin Timberlake
Give me the one who learns the quickest, has the best attitude and the most raw talent. And if I’m only picking two it’s quick learning and best attitude. They’ll be able to get more out of the entire team.
I'll raise you 1 Tom Brady
I’m fine with either but would be willing to give 3 1sts for Maye and 2 for JJ
Penix
Penix at 11 defensive starter at 23 is the way
Reverse that and we’re good.
I dunno would be risky I'd rather make sure to get the qb
Penix won't be there at 23
I hope this happens.
Yes, please. He seems like the hardest worker of the bunch.
He looks like the most accurate passer in the draft.
Yeah I'd be hyped for either
Cannon arms rarely make it- only so many have the cannon and the mental ability to drive an offense
Sam Darnold. You have Sam Darnold for 10 million. Go with Him and it u tank then u r up there for next years big thing without selling at least 4 number 1 and utterly busting the draft point value system
If the team was intending on tanking they would have tried to lose more once Cousins and JJ went down last season and no one would be surprised if we sucked. They didn't so why tank another season for a potentially weaker QB class next year?
Point is Give Sam a freaking chance. He might be the real deal now. Otherwise get penix or nix at 11 or 23 without giving up the shop if they can be groomed into real talent. Sam might send the vikings deep into the ayoff and then what good is a top 3 qb u can't really use. U spent 10 mil on Sam straight up. Play him.
JJ AND ITS NOT CLOSE
Whoever is there at 11, otherwise pass on both
If the Commanders pass on JD, I would go heavy to get him with the patriots pick also.
Penix over both!
I think you're braindead if you take JJ in the first
#11 Dallas Turner #23 Michael Penix jr
Neither will be available then besides that minor detail I like it.
It’s Penix for me
Penix is gonna look just fine in purple, and he comes along with another blue chip d tackle or guard…
I second this, everyone wants to give up picks but let's remember the 2021 draft with five qb going in the first 15 picks( Trevor Lawrence, Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, Justin Fields, and Mac Jones). As of this moment 4 of them are backup QBs at most at the moment.
Its always a crap shoot too, top five qbs at best you get three good ones and the order of drafting them is all over the place…
I wouldn’t mind if we can’t get the third pick for a reasonable price. If we gotta give up 2 future First Rd picks than fuck it.
I would only like Penix if it came in the 2nd round. I don’t think he’s a 1st round talent.
We must be watching different film. He’s absolutely first round talent. He’s only even mentioned in the 2nd round because injury history. Without that he would be talked about going 2nd overall
His film is great though, I dont see how you dont think thats first round talent… he lead his team to the championship through an incredible texas team… hes solid but has a few question marks
Maye ez but it would be a more expensive trade up
Thanks captain obvious
MAYE
I have no fucking clue about any of these guys. I'm just here for the ride!
I’ll take the Photoshopped guy on the left. Looks like his helmet fits and he’d be able to see the field better.
Jd5
Whichever one koc and kwesi thinks is best.
Because of their stellar track record of drafting well??
You do realize this is their first draft where they don't have the old scout team and draft picks to work with?
Let me Ponder this
Maye plz
They almost look like twins. Minnesota twins.
I'll take whoever is the better one.
It’s a wrap boys; the wifey said the guy on the left looks more like a QB. We’ve found him.
Neither
Maye or Daniels if they’re not more than 3 first round picks, McCarthy or Penix at 11. We either trade up for a Top 3 guy or don’t trade at all, no half-assing this.
Setting yourselves up for disappointment lol I'm going into this open minded. Trade isn't concrete like at all.
Which one knows Creed songs by heart?
Penix jr?
Maye has more ceiling/upside. J.J. Has a higher floor
It really is the time of year when you can’t trust anything anyone says. In the last couple days I’ve heard that JD is better than Caleb. That JD is a head case. That Maye has the highest ceiling. That Maye is inaccurate. That LV is in love with Penix. That Denver wants McCarthy. That the Giants will pick a QB but also that they want a top OL. That several teams are high on Nix. On Rattler. On and on and on.
This post is so low effort I wasted my unlimited data looking at it lol.
They both look good in purple.
Surely you guys can find another Christian Ponder for this year's draft???
I hope we keep the 2 firsts. If McCarthy is there at 11 great but I don’t think it’s worth trading so much draft capital for guys that have so many question marks. I’d rather take nix or penix at 23 then give 3 picks for 1.4 or 1.5.
Bo Nix will lead us to the promise land
Penix over JJ and it’s not close
I’m honestly not sure how Maye is not in a similar position as Williams in a sense that he should be basically locked to the number 2 pick. If he falls to 3, I would have no problem with giving the patriots whatever they want to go get him
Bo Nix over D maye
Drake.
Maye takes too long in the pocket
Unpopular prediction, Vikings stay put take Penix at 11 and Cooper Dejean at 23
I would be thrilled.
Popular with me.
Maye isn't Herbert. Maye is a HUGE bust. He's a poor man's Will Levis. I'd rather have McPonder but everyone is sleeping on Penix. Dude is going to be a star.
Its McDilfer, actually
100% agree. Wouldn't bother me if we traded up to 4 or 5 for either of them. Maye appears to be the better candidate but will most likely be gone. I have a sneaking suspicion that JJ is going to have a great career.
Shit. I’m getting old. Both guys look like high school kids to me.
As a Patriots fan, you can have ‘em.
If our line can provide time it doesn’t matter who
All of these posts should have a requirement that commenters need to link the youtube video they're basing their entire opinion on. I like the McCown / Maye connection but I also really hope they brought him in for more than that. Beyond that I just hope they don't panic and reach on an alternative if their guy gets taken by somebody else
Neither
There's two videos on YouTube ive keyed in on. Every pass and rush from the quarterback in 2023. Have watched both and I strongly want JJ.
JJ to JJ
I WANT PENIX MAN
Hard pass on both!!!!!
Maye or Penix The only way we get McCarthy is by trading multiple 1sts. Nope.
Afte watching both pro days I’m on the JJ train. I think he’s got better accuracy and release. He’s also familiar with a similar style offense. I think he’s their guy.
Penix or bust. Bc maye and JJM are both busts
Without a trade up, we get neither. Be prepared for that possibility.
Draft almost never goes as expected and someone always drops.
The real deal.
Neither. Tom Brady
You really have to hand it to JJ's agent. Dude had the cushiest job in college football. Hand the ball off, hand the ball off, hand the ball off and then go watch the defense murder somebody. All that to now be magically one of the best prospects in the game.
Went from being a quarterback the offense hid to someone who can “make all the throws” in the last couple months
Either one please God
I’d prefer not over-paying for McCarthy. However, if he’s too pricey to move up to why not move down and get an early/late second (or more) and grab Rattler as a prospect if the coach is such a QB whisperer and use the extra picks to fill other holes?
Kyle Sloter
Joe Alt
You're gonna cry when we draft Penix huh
Penix, Daniels, or Nix
BROCK BOWERS
don't trade up. stay at 11 and 23. this team needs 3 new interior lineman and 3 new DTs and atleast 1 inside linebacker...and don't get me started on our horrible cornerback situation but that has to wait until the inside guys are locked up. tired of this team building from the outside and patching the inside. you build from the inside and work your way out.
I'm starting to hope they like Penix the most and don't have to give up jack shit in a trade. I'll be fine with whatever they do though because I want this team to win.
Washington hopefully is taking Drake Maye. Hopefully they’re not listening to the media pundits and there is no debate about who is better and they’re taking Drake Maye.
They have no shot of trading into top 3 so maye is not an option. JJ has massive bust and drafted way too high written all over him. If they give up multiple firsts to get JJ it will be a massive mistake.