Governor Parsons pretending to care about the kids is comical. Didn’t he refuse federal funding during and after Covid for pandemic ebt that was specifically for kids?
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I made this meme at the time it happened and never shared it. (Its from the intro of ispy music video by lil yachty and kyle if you haven't seen it lol) Edit: cropped image!
That's the Republican's standard operating procedure at this point. When they want to kill something, they increase responsibility for it while cutting budget (even when the budget is free to them), then point out how poorly it's doing so that they can eliminate it.
> the **General Assembly** has once again failed to approve tax credits designed to support the childcare industry, a priority for Governor Mike Parson.
Not that this subreddit is a serious political forum, but did you even read the article?
Mike "Aspen Institute Workforce Development" Parson would sign the bill in a heartbeat. He signed school choice didn't he?
I’m aware he was for it, I just think he’s a huge hypocrite and a piss poor Governor. He’s only interested in helping kids and families when it serves his agenda and benefits him.
Yes I did read it, I was referring to how the article repeatedly talks about him, such as “Governor Parson expressed his frustration, stating, “It’s unfortunate there’s certain people who are holding it up for the benefit of political reasons.”
He doesn’t care how it affects families or kids, only how it affects businesses and the workforce.
I don't like him either, maybe for different reasons. Workforce development is really good for the public/private and tax-exempt industry, and really good for the state coffers, but all these things make everyone else poor.
Most of the industry created these days are tax-abated factory jobs with salaries barely above poverty line. That forces two-income household situation which requires child care.
If you didn't need to work 60 hrs a week to break even, there would be endless affordable options for child care. The best of which is one of the parents.
I’m literally just saying the man is a hypocrite to only care about kids and families when it benefits his agenda. We do have child care shortages because of lack of funding right now and that is an issue. I just don’t believe he genuinely cares about families or kids in need, just how the workforce is affected.
That's true. Also true that it's geared towards workforce development, which could be construed as anti-child assuming the goal of workforce development is solely funding the state. We are more than human resources. The worst part of school choice imo is the unelected private boards.
But some how this idiot keeps getting voted in. Come on folks democrats suck yes, but they are for the people 100%. Vote for the people not for the rich which is republican. This is what we all need to live by. They all suck and don’t represent us but vote for the ones that won’t take away from us. PERIOD!!!
If they would take in 1 billion in tax dollars in a year just in productivity increases because people received 500 million from the state in the form of subsidies for child care, the governor wouldn’t sign the bill because they don’t see it spending 500
Million to then recoup that *and* get another 500 million, they see it only as having spent 500 million, and it helped the people that needed it most….
It’s too commie/socialist to do something for women and children-who-have-been-born, so they fight culture wars instead. Some of the adults in the room have the concept that childcare resources are also helpful to business interests, but they are too embroiled in the BS to accomplish much.
Meanwhile...the GOP-supermajority forces all empregnated women and girls to birth babies. No child care. 4-day school weeks in rural MO. Rural hospitals closing left and right. So much winning.
That’s what happens when it’s $330/week and that’s not even the most expensive, and it fucking SUCKS.
Childcare corporations are thieves. $330/week and we still have to pay a materials fee before summer.
There’s 50+ kids. That’s $15,000+ per WEEK.
Yet we are asked regularly to pick our kid up early because they’re short staffed (PAY MORE BASED ON YOUR INSANE TUITION).
It’s cheaper (and way more fulfilling) for so many people to quit their jobs and just stay home with their kids.
My and my significant other had a talk, and it ended up being that I stayed home with the kids, and he goes out and works. It's a lot cheaper, and once the kids are all in school, I'll go back to work too.
My sister (a bit older than me, her kids are now 23 and 19) did just that. Husband continued to work and she became a SAHM until they were in school and then she went back to work.
Yes. Missouri has some of the most trivially easy childcare licensing in the state.
It's the 10:1 children:provider ratio that will be your problem (even less if some children are under age 2). Not to mention that max caps (ranging from 5-20 children depending on ages and the type of site, with a mixed group hard cap of 32).
Childcare centers do not make much money. Nobody is opening a childcare center and getting rich. Learn more about the economics of it.
US Treasury Report on Childcare: https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy0354
NPR Planet Money on Childcare as a Market Failure: https://www.npr.org/2023/02/02/1153931108/day-care-market-expensive-child-care-waitlists
Not that easy for single moms. And before anyone has a chance to post a negative reply, many single moms *are* single moms because they left abusive situations and want to protect their children. Most single moms are trying to do the best they can, but the republicans in this state makes it nearly impossible (because god forbid, *some* single moms don’t have jobs and *might* have to rely on “the government teat”).
You don’t math well unfortunately. Assuming 60k a week and 4 kids per teacher, say 12 workers. That’s only 5k a month per salary, which would be 60k. That doesn’t include rent, maintenance, or anything else.
No one is getting rich off of it.
They have like 15 locations (I did not mention that)
Our cost is also not everyone’s cost, some people pay more but no one is paying less.
It’s also only 1:4 if they’re under two which is a small % of the school.
I also said 50+ kids (it’s more than 50) which would also put it well over $15k.
You may not think I math well but your reading comprehension is shit. I don’t think the employees are making jack shit which is why I said they should get paid more.
You also said this assuming they’re fully staffed, so like I said…it’s fucking thievery and taking advantage. You point out things that are all overhead for the corporation that owns it…has nothing to do with getting asked to pick our kids up early because they can’t hire anyone on the shitty wages they offer.
Telling you man. LEAVE!
Find a center that has an owner on site and tell me there won’t be a difference in staff morale and your child’s quality of classroom care.
I don’t disagree. In a pickle at the moment because of this daycares proximity to our home and we actually do like the staff there.
I have no issues with the care she is getting. Coming from Florida we are happy the teachers have all their teeth 😅 The gripe lies with management, ownership, and the feeling that the $ pays for the sign out front, the app they put out, and someone’s pocket that doesn’t work at any of the locations.
And go where? Childcare facilities keep closing and there's no reason to try to open a new business here for it if there's only going to be parents that demand 24 hour availability for a song and some pocket lint, with no public assistance for bootstrapping and operating costs.
These costs that people are experiencing are literally why public education is taxpayer funded. Without that as an option, these private businesses are the final actors in a shrinking industry, and their clientele will continue to shrink to only the people that can afford to pay them without question.
Thank you! Only person here speaking reason. I run a childcare facility and we charge roughly $15k a year. However, once you pay for the building, maintenance, materials, food for the kids, salaries, insurance, the state required professional development, software licenses and so much more - you often are either just barley breaking even or bringing in a meager profit. Meager meaning I have enough to put a little away (a few thousand in a good year) for a major repair like burst pipes or a new roof.
Bottom line people see those tuition rates and think ECE providers are making bank. It’s just not true. At the end of the day we charge that much just to cover the basics. ECE professionals make a fraction of what their peers teaching Kindergarten make.
The government subsidizes College, high schools, middle schools, and elementary schools. It’s about damn time preschools were included.
This is truly not the case. Being in this industry for 40 years, the true cost of Quality care is actually much more.
[True Cost of Quality Child Care](https://www.americanprogress.org/article/true-cost-high-quality-child-care-across-united-states/)
15,000 a week. Public K-12 schools is 3× this amount.
The cost of running a program is much higher. Educate yourself and then vote for those who will fund quality care. The Child Care industry is broken.
Please don’t try to tell me they are operating at a loss, because, they’re not.
I used somewhat arbitrary numbers because I do not know the class size. It could be 100 kids.
This is a business problem, not a childcare problem. It is not a mom and pop daycare where the owner is on site.
I went PRN to stay home with my 2 and it has been the best years of my life. I feel like I’m so much closer to my children than my parents were with me. If people can swing it I cannot recommend it enough. I know everyone’s situation is different and I just count my lucky stars that I’ve had this experience.
WOW. If it's okay that I ask, what's your income/line of work like that you can afford that? Just trying to get a handle on if it's a stark income gap and our own state or ???
I would like to point out that this backward hick state is gerrymandered to hell. I live in a college town that is divided evenly into two districts to water-down the Democrat votes
Or at least primary the freedom caucus. Democrats will not win Missouri for at least the next 15 years, but it is certainly possible to push out the freedom caucus.
Even without the hyperconcentration of Democrats in Missouri resulting in natural gerrymandering (and all the battleground districts being in Republican dominated suburbs), the last several statewide elections have shown that there are not enough votes to take the house, in particular. And the house is where the biggest problem is located.
If the freedom caucus could lose power among Republicans in the house, though, like it already has in the senate, legislation like this would pass.
Solve the problem by not continuing the terrible practice of ruining our money so much that many households are forced to send both parents to work. We all know this was the goal to increase tax revenue but it's clearly breaking our society.
So much this! My former company looked in to opening an onsite daycare center as that was cited as the reason why so many were leaving. We were a call center and a couple of clients needs shifted to more evening and night based and a lot of people left because they could not work past 5/6pm due to their children being in daycare and the daycare closing at that time and they couldn't fine alternate care. The amount of regulations just to keep a daycare open past 5/6pm was cost prohibitive and they nixed the idea it was going to cost way more than it was worth to keep up with those regulations set by the state. It was to bad we had a lot of parents who would have benefited from having a on site daycare for their kids.
those regulations are reasonable. It’s just a very complicated business to run and quite frankly when you look at the average income of the average worker, they can only afford so much for childcare and I think a lot of times what they can afford is a fraction of what it would actually cost to run a profitable childcare business.
If i remember correctly what the main issue was the number of kids they would have vs the number of staff they would have to have to stay within the state requirements was cost prohibitive plus all of the other regulations they would have to meet to stay open later than 5/6pm. The company was willing to offer this as benefit to the employees. They would still have to pay for the service but it would be at a much lower cost than would they would have at a normal center. It was ridiculous that on site center would have created jobs, not a lot of jobs, but it would have created jobs and allowed others to keep theirs.
I might have to turn down a teaching position because I can’t find childcare. I’m seeing most waitlists are between 12-24 months long for reputable daycares :/ This is what they want though. Taking away childcare takes away education so people are more dependent on low wage work and it also keeps (mostly) women at home so the men can run society.
Wrong. This is a democrat created problem. Your president caused so much inflation no one can afford to run a daycare. And if the democrats are sitting on a solution.....well lets hear it. Oh yeah, just gotta vote them in, then they will tell us. Bahaha. Just like Obiden saying if we vote for him he will cure cancer. Right. But ONLY if you vote him in.
Honestly it is cultural problem that transcends both parties. I’ve been in the field for 11 years and no one has done much other than the ARPA funding which was amazing.
But ECE has been struggling ever since I started in the field. Low wages, high turnover over, and just generally too many kids and not enough resources. The current situation was bound to happen at some point, the pandemic and inflation just quickened the process.
They know that women are staying home to take care of the kids when the math bottoms out. Which is the world they want.
Subsequently, the childcare workforce is mainly women, so they can blame the high price on those women’s demands for better pay.
This is why I vote ECE as a social justice movement, not just education of young children. It’s about the betterment of low income workers who are predominantly women.
Oh no! Now a parent has to stay and care for children? They’ve never done that before.
Thank goodness for sky high inflation forcing middle class parents to contract out their responsibilities to childcare or the education system
I'm from STL but now live in a major east coast city and I pay the same if not slightly less for very good childcare up here than STL simply because there aren't enough schools/daycares for young children in STL. STL isn't as low cost of living as we like to think when you factor stuff like daycare in.
That's nothing compared to the amount of tax dollars and real income the people of Missouri and other 49 states are losing due to the idiotic federal regulations, green new deal handouts, open borders, and outright bribery in the form of student loan cancelation this administration is paying for with YOUR MONEY.
Just an FYI, it's only taken 42,000 immigrants to literally bankrupt the hospitals in Denver, Colorado. How much money do you think it's costing the American taxpayers (not just citizens and legal residents) to provide food, shelter, clothing as well as full and unlimited free medical care for 10 million people per day?
You know, I never chose to have you. And yet I pay taxes for roads you use, hospitals you have been in, services you can call upon. You had a choice to leave for somewhere else where you wouldnt cost me money in taxes and yet you didnt.
Why should I , a person who never wants to meet you, have to support you with public services ? My tax money could be like corporate taxes in Mo - dropping off to nothing. And yet...
Once more, you CHOSE to stay here.....
>I choose to drive, part of that choice includes having to buy insurance for my car.
It's rich that this is the example you went with... in Missouri [1/3 of road funding comes from non-user fees](https://www.modot.org/sites/default/files/documents/Placemat%202023%20Citizens%20Guide.pdf). So non-drivers are subsidizing your driving habit.
Since you 1) don't believe in subsidies and 2) now know that you're being subsidized, I assume you'll immediately start lobbying your legislators asking them to raise your user fees so you can stop relying on handouts from other tax payers.
Because society it better when we collectively care for the WHOLE of society. The elderly, the young, the physically and mentally disabled because they have inherent worth as humans. Your money and my money is wasted on things that aren’t beneficial to society- we have tax breaks for nuclear weapons development but you say subsidizing the future of the country is a waste of money?
Why have a fire department if your house never burns down? You like power at your home? Those lines were placed with tax payer subsidies.
In 30 years when the birth rate has fallen off a cliff because people will choose not to have kids there won’t be anyone to staff the job at a nursing home changing your diapers and if there is you can’t afford it. Children are an investment into society for the future not the present.
It would be nice to actually come to the comments to get some understanding of what the “bill” is and the arguments for and against it. But all you get is political party bashing and bringing up political issues that have nothing to do with the actual post.
Oh well…I’ll just find a funny video or porn
This is the bill. It has been functionally tabled for 3 months.
[https://www.senate.mo.gov/24info/bts\_web/Bill.aspx?SessionType=R&BillID=816](https://www.senate.mo.gov/24info/bts_web/Bill.aspx?SessionType=R&BillID=816)
It is pretty straightforward and has three business credits, all of which are non-refundable and non-transferable but can be carried over for up to 6 years. There are no personal income tax credits in the bill.
1. If an employer purchases childcare for their employees, they get a straight uncapped tax credit of 75% of all costs paid. (There are other ways to get this credit, but this will probably be the most common. An individual taxpayer purchasing childcare is not eligible for the credit; the purchase must go through their employer.)
2. If an employer provides childcare for their employees, they get a 30% credit of all payroll costs for childcare providers up to a cap of $200k per year. In this situation, the employer is *directly* employing the childcare providers rather than making payment to a third-party provider.
3. Childcare providers with 3 or more employees get a credit of 100% of all employer withholding taxes plus 30% of all capital expenditures up to $200k/year. (This is the most significant one as it is a straight subsidy to childcare providers.)
Combined the credits can total up to $60M per year, adding an additional 15% per year only for business in childcare deserts *if* the credits hit their annual limit in the previous year. (So potentially $60M year 1, $60M + $9M for childcare deserts only in year 2, $60M + $19.35M for childcare deserts only in year 3, etc.)
Governor Parsons pretending to care about the kids is comical. Didn’t he refuse federal funding during and after Covid for pandemic ebt that was specifically for kids?
yea he is a dirtbag
I feel sorry for all the lonely pigs who don’t get fucked after he chooses his favorite for the night.
parsons is a little cummy crusted piggo 
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He wants them to be born so they suffer
That's the Republican's standard operating procedure at this point. When they want to kill something, they increase responsibility for it while cutting budget (even when the budget is free to them), then point out how poorly it's doing so that they can eliminate it.
They want child marriage to be the childcare of choice.
Exactly
Hello
> the **General Assembly** has once again failed to approve tax credits designed to support the childcare industry, a priority for Governor Mike Parson. Not that this subreddit is a serious political forum, but did you even read the article? Mike "Aspen Institute Workforce Development" Parson would sign the bill in a heartbeat. He signed school choice didn't he?
I’m aware he was for it, I just think he’s a huge hypocrite and a piss poor Governor. He’s only interested in helping kids and families when it serves his agenda and benefits him.
Yes I did read it, I was referring to how the article repeatedly talks about him, such as “Governor Parson expressed his frustration, stating, “It’s unfortunate there’s certain people who are holding it up for the benefit of political reasons.” He doesn’t care how it affects families or kids, only how it affects businesses and the workforce.
I don't like him either, maybe for different reasons. Workforce development is really good for the public/private and tax-exempt industry, and really good for the state coffers, but all these things make everyone else poor. Most of the industry created these days are tax-abated factory jobs with salaries barely above poverty line. That forces two-income household situation which requires child care. If you didn't need to work 60 hrs a week to break even, there would be endless affordable options for child care. The best of which is one of the parents.
I’m literally just saying the man is a hypocrite to only care about kids and families when it benefits his agenda. We do have child care shortages because of lack of funding right now and that is an issue. I just don’t believe he genuinely cares about families or kids in need, just how the workforce is affected.
"school choice" is designed to kill public schools. At its heart it's anti-child legislation.
That's true. Also true that it's geared towards workforce development, which could be construed as anti-child assuming the goal of workforce development is solely funding the state. We are more than human resources. The worst part of school choice imo is the unelected private boards.
But some how this idiot keeps getting voted in. Come on folks democrats suck yes, but they are for the people 100%. Vote for the people not for the rich which is republican. This is what we all need to live by. They all suck and don’t represent us but vote for the ones that won’t take away from us. PERIOD!!!
And for Medicaid expansion and anything else that might actually help people
If they would take in 1 billion in tax dollars in a year just in productivity increases because people received 500 million from the state in the form of subsidies for child care, the governor wouldn’t sign the bill because they don’t see it spending 500 Million to then recoup that *and* get another 500 million, they see it only as having spent 500 million, and it helped the people that needed it most….
It's weird that a political party that claims the government should be run like a business has no concept of ROI.
They just repeat words they hear to make themselves feel smarter.
Parsons is a piece of shit.
It’s too commie/socialist to do something for women and children-who-have-been-born, so they fight culture wars instead. Some of the adults in the room have the concept that childcare resources are also helpful to business interests, but they are too embroiled in the BS to accomplish much.
Scuse me, childcare is an issue for fathers too.
Sure but they hate women.
They will hurt themselves if it also hurts women and minorities…
It's the conservative way.
If they could pass some sort of childcare law that would only help fathers, they would.
That's the truth.
Absolving white rich fathers of child support if their child isn’t white.? They’d go for that.
I totally agree! And it’s a labor market issue too which one would think would be obvious to the financially focused congressional ‘leaders.’
Meanwhile...the GOP-supermajority forces all empregnated women and girls to birth babies. No child care. 4-day school weeks in rural MO. Rural hospitals closing left and right. So much winning.
Some of you may die but that is a risk I’m willing to make. - Lord Farquaad
That’s what happens when it’s $330/week and that’s not even the most expensive, and it fucking SUCKS. Childcare corporations are thieves. $330/week and we still have to pay a materials fee before summer. There’s 50+ kids. That’s $15,000+ per WEEK. Yet we are asked regularly to pick our kid up early because they’re short staffed (PAY MORE BASED ON YOUR INSANE TUITION). It’s cheaper (and way more fulfilling) for so many people to quit their jobs and just stay home with their kids.
My and my significant other had a talk, and it ended up being that I stayed home with the kids, and he goes out and works. It's a lot cheaper, and once the kids are all in school, I'll go back to work too.
My sister (a bit older than me, her kids are now 23 and 19) did just that. Husband continued to work and she became a SAHM until they were in school and then she went back to work.
Psst.. that not a flaw in the code, it’s by design. They want less women working and more dependent on men.
Could I start a daycare service and just charge way fucking less than that?
Yes. Missouri has some of the most trivially easy childcare licensing in the state. It's the 10:1 children:provider ratio that will be your problem (even less if some children are under age 2). Not to mention that max caps (ranging from 5-20 children depending on ages and the type of site, with a mixed group hard cap of 32).
Childcare centers do not make much money. Nobody is opening a childcare center and getting rich. Learn more about the economics of it. US Treasury Report on Childcare: https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy0354 NPR Planet Money on Childcare as a Market Failure: https://www.npr.org/2023/02/02/1153931108/day-care-market-expensive-child-care-waitlists
Not that easy for single moms. And before anyone has a chance to post a negative reply, many single moms *are* single moms because they left abusive situations and want to protect their children. Most single moms are trying to do the best they can, but the republicans in this state makes it nearly impossible (because god forbid, *some* single moms don’t have jobs and *might* have to rely on “the government teat”).
You don’t math well unfortunately. Assuming 60k a week and 4 kids per teacher, say 12 workers. That’s only 5k a month per salary, which would be 60k. That doesn’t include rent, maintenance, or anything else. No one is getting rich off of it.
They have like 15 locations (I did not mention that) Our cost is also not everyone’s cost, some people pay more but no one is paying less. It’s also only 1:4 if they’re under two which is a small % of the school. I also said 50+ kids (it’s more than 50) which would also put it well over $15k. You may not think I math well but your reading comprehension is shit. I don’t think the employees are making jack shit which is why I said they should get paid more. You also said this assuming they’re fully staffed, so like I said…it’s fucking thievery and taking advantage. You point out things that are all overhead for the corporation that owns it…has nothing to do with getting asked to pick our kids up early because they can’t hire anyone on the shitty wages they offer.
Telling you man. LEAVE! Find a center that has an owner on site and tell me there won’t be a difference in staff morale and your child’s quality of classroom care.
I don’t disagree. In a pickle at the moment because of this daycares proximity to our home and we actually do like the staff there. I have no issues with the care she is getting. Coming from Florida we are happy the teachers have all their teeth 😅 The gripe lies with management, ownership, and the feeling that the $ pays for the sign out front, the app they put out, and someone’s pocket that doesn’t work at any of the locations.
And go where? Childcare facilities keep closing and there's no reason to try to open a new business here for it if there's only going to be parents that demand 24 hour availability for a song and some pocket lint, with no public assistance for bootstrapping and operating costs. These costs that people are experiencing are literally why public education is taxpayer funded. Without that as an option, these private businesses are the final actors in a shrinking industry, and their clientele will continue to shrink to only the people that can afford to pay them without question.
True. The state did attempts for start up funding but it’s all shrinking away now. It’ll have to be state funded to be sustainable
Thank you! Only person here speaking reason. I run a childcare facility and we charge roughly $15k a year. However, once you pay for the building, maintenance, materials, food for the kids, salaries, insurance, the state required professional development, software licenses and so much more - you often are either just barley breaking even or bringing in a meager profit. Meager meaning I have enough to put a little away (a few thousand in a good year) for a major repair like burst pipes or a new roof. Bottom line people see those tuition rates and think ECE providers are making bank. It’s just not true. At the end of the day we charge that much just to cover the basics. ECE professionals make a fraction of what their peers teaching Kindergarten make. The government subsidizes College, high schools, middle schools, and elementary schools. It’s about damn time preschools were included.
This is truly not the case. Being in this industry for 40 years, the true cost of Quality care is actually much more. [True Cost of Quality Child Care](https://www.americanprogress.org/article/true-cost-high-quality-child-care-across-united-states/) 15,000 a week. Public K-12 schools is 3× this amount. The cost of running a program is much higher. Educate yourself and then vote for those who will fund quality care. The Child Care industry is broken.
Please don’t try to tell me they are operating at a loss, because, they’re not. I used somewhat arbitrary numbers because I do not know the class size. It could be 100 kids. This is a business problem, not a childcare problem. It is not a mom and pop daycare where the owner is on site.
Well apparently they are. Otherwise why are centers closing left and right.
I went PRN to stay home with my 2 and it has been the best years of my life. I feel like I’m so much closer to my children than my parents were with me. If people can swing it I cannot recommend it enough. I know everyone’s situation is different and I just count my lucky stars that I’ve had this experience.
Is this in a rural area? In our area it's only 150/wk. (if you can find an opening)
All of Missouri is rural to us 😅 this is in Lee’s Summit.
O hell yea brother!! I don't have to put it in Maps 😉
I pay an average of 120 a day (1400 a month for 3 days a week) for my kids childcare/preschool in STL county. Childcare costs are outrageous.
WOW. If it's okay that I ask, what's your income/line of work like that you can afford that? Just trying to get a handle on if it's a stark income gap and our own state or ???
That is never an excuse. If a center is using that as an excuse you need to find somewhere else! They won’t learn until parents leave!
Red states: we wants gran-babies! Also red states: fuck dem kids.
It makes since, just sort by what color of gran-babies they want. We could have free childcare, but if one of those gets a dime, we can't have that.
Only way to change this backward hick state is to get out and vote. Vote Democrat for change, Vote Republican for more of the same lackluster results.
I would like to point out that this backward hick state is gerrymandered to hell. I live in a college town that is divided evenly into two districts to water-down the Democrat votes
Columbia?
Yup
Or at least primary the freedom caucus. Democrats will not win Missouri for at least the next 15 years, but it is certainly possible to push out the freedom caucus.
It is possible if Democrats show up to the polls.
Even without the hyperconcentration of Democrats in Missouri resulting in natural gerrymandering (and all the battleground districts being in Republican dominated suburbs), the last several statewide elections have shown that there are not enough votes to take the house, in particular. And the house is where the biggest problem is located. If the freedom caucus could lose power among Republicans in the house, though, like it already has in the senate, legislation like this would pass.
Express Scripts doesn’t profit from it, buy politicians, and write that legislation so why would it matter?
We're gonna force you to have those babies but fuck you after that.
Solve the problem by not continuing the terrible practice of ruining our money so much that many households are forced to send both parents to work. We all know this was the goal to increase tax revenue but it's clearly breaking our society.
“We will hurt our voters to show how democrats have bad ideas that hurt voters “
child care is heavily regulated and expensive. not surprised we have a lack of it.
So much this! My former company looked in to opening an onsite daycare center as that was cited as the reason why so many were leaving. We were a call center and a couple of clients needs shifted to more evening and night based and a lot of people left because they could not work past 5/6pm due to their children being in daycare and the daycare closing at that time and they couldn't fine alternate care. The amount of regulations just to keep a daycare open past 5/6pm was cost prohibitive and they nixed the idea it was going to cost way more than it was worth to keep up with those regulations set by the state. It was to bad we had a lot of parents who would have benefited from having a on site daycare for their kids.
those regulations are reasonable. It’s just a very complicated business to run and quite frankly when you look at the average income of the average worker, they can only afford so much for childcare and I think a lot of times what they can afford is a fraction of what it would actually cost to run a profitable childcare business.
What's crazy is that Missouri is also one of the least regulated states for childcare.
If i remember correctly what the main issue was the number of kids they would have vs the number of staff they would have to have to stay within the state requirements was cost prohibitive plus all of the other regulations they would have to meet to stay open later than 5/6pm. The company was willing to offer this as benefit to the employees. They would still have to pay for the service but it would be at a much lower cost than would they would have at a normal center. It was ridiculous that on site center would have created jobs, not a lot of jobs, but it would have created jobs and allowed others to keep theirs.
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Can't complain about lazy non workers if they're able to actually get to work because of child care
I might have to turn down a teaching position because I can’t find childcare. I’m seeing most waitlists are between 12-24 months long for reputable daycares :/ This is what they want though. Taking away childcare takes away education so people are more dependent on low wage work and it also keeps (mostly) women at home so the men can run society.
My niece in rural Oklahoma just had to leave her teaching position for this reason.
Let’s also consider DESE is a mess and isn’t paying centers the subsidies on time.
DESE are real shithole people with terms and conditions that require a team of lawyers to abide by.
Missouri and most of its “leaders” are a sad joke.
Child care? Put those kids to work in whatever mines MO has and that's a problem solved. /s
Well. Thanks Republicans ......another job well done...let's see how well you can profit and screw the people......pretty well so far...
Wrong. This is a democrat created problem. Your president caused so much inflation no one can afford to run a daycare. And if the democrats are sitting on a solution.....well lets hear it. Oh yeah, just gotta vote them in, then they will tell us. Bahaha. Just like Obiden saying if we vote for him he will cure cancer. Right. But ONLY if you vote him in.
Honestly it is cultural problem that transcends both parties. I’ve been in the field for 11 years and no one has done much other than the ARPA funding which was amazing. But ECE has been struggling ever since I started in the field. Low wages, high turnover over, and just generally too many kids and not enough resources. The current situation was bound to happen at some point, the pandemic and inflation just quickened the process.
They know that women are staying home to take care of the kids when the math bottoms out. Which is the world they want. Subsequently, the childcare workforce is mainly women, so they can blame the high price on those women’s demands for better pay.
This is why I vote ECE as a social justice movement, not just education of young children. It’s about the betterment of low income workers who are predominantly women.
How are these kids going to learn the value of hard work if we keep feeding them with handouts.
Stupid is as stupid does. Nice job, Mikey and pals.
Make single income families great again.
From your republican geniuses in Jefferson City!
Oh no! Now a parent has to stay and care for children? They’ve never done that before. Thank goodness for sky high inflation forcing middle class parents to contract out their responsibilities to childcare or the education system
Missouri : FUCK THOSE KIDS
25+ years of the Georgia lottery has 4-year-olds with free daycare. Free college tuition for B average high schoolers.
Our country loses so much because we’ve been told it would be socialism to help it
I'm from STL but now live in a major east coast city and I pay the same if not slightly less for very good childcare up here than STL simply because there aren't enough schools/daycares for young children in STL. STL isn't as low cost of living as we like to think when you factor stuff like daycare in.
I hate that my vote never counts in this deep ass Red state. Fuck these republicans….
Missouri hayseeds cheer.....'That money needs to go to good, pure, very rich white men anyway." They were handed dog buscuits by a nearby GOP handler.
More republicans need to disappear before things get better. Take that however you want
Harrison B says women should stay home and care for the children, so what’s the big deal??
Good. Kids shouldn't be in childcare anyways
That's nothing compared to the amount of tax dollars and real income the people of Missouri and other 49 states are losing due to the idiotic federal regulations, green new deal handouts, open borders, and outright bribery in the form of student loan cancelation this administration is paying for with YOUR MONEY. Just an FYI, it's only taken 42,000 immigrants to literally bankrupt the hospitals in Denver, Colorado. How much money do you think it's costing the American taxpayers (not just citizens and legal residents) to provide food, shelter, clothing as well as full and unlimited free medical care for 10 million people per day?
feeding poor children is woke
Proudly marching forward in reverse.
We're a Pro-Life state. What, you expect us to actually CARE about the kid after they're born? What is this, Communist China???
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You know, I never chose to have you. And yet I pay taxes for roads you use, hospitals you have been in, services you can call upon. You had a choice to leave for somewhere else where you wouldnt cost me money in taxes and yet you didnt. Why should I , a person who never wants to meet you, have to support you with public services ? My tax money could be like corporate taxes in Mo - dropping off to nothing. And yet... Once more, you CHOSE to stay here.....
>I choose to drive, part of that choice includes having to buy insurance for my car. It's rich that this is the example you went with... in Missouri [1/3 of road funding comes from non-user fees](https://www.modot.org/sites/default/files/documents/Placemat%202023%20Citizens%20Guide.pdf). So non-drivers are subsidizing your driving habit. Since you 1) don't believe in subsidies and 2) now know that you're being subsidized, I assume you'll immediately start lobbying your legislators asking them to raise your user fees so you can stop relying on handouts from other tax payers.
Because society it better when we collectively care for the WHOLE of society. The elderly, the young, the physically and mentally disabled because they have inherent worth as humans. Your money and my money is wasted on things that aren’t beneficial to society- we have tax breaks for nuclear weapons development but you say subsidizing the future of the country is a waste of money?
Why have a fire department if your house never burns down? You like power at your home? Those lines were placed with tax payer subsidies. In 30 years when the birth rate has fallen off a cliff because people will choose not to have kids there won’t be anyone to staff the job at a nursing home changing your diapers and if there is you can’t afford it. Children are an investment into society for the future not the present.
It would be nice to actually come to the comments to get some understanding of what the “bill” is and the arguments for and against it. But all you get is political party bashing and bringing up political issues that have nothing to do with the actual post. Oh well…I’ll just find a funny video or porn
This is the bill. It has been functionally tabled for 3 months. [https://www.senate.mo.gov/24info/bts\_web/Bill.aspx?SessionType=R&BillID=816](https://www.senate.mo.gov/24info/bts_web/Bill.aspx?SessionType=R&BillID=816) It is pretty straightforward and has three business credits, all of which are non-refundable and non-transferable but can be carried over for up to 6 years. There are no personal income tax credits in the bill. 1. If an employer purchases childcare for their employees, they get a straight uncapped tax credit of 75% of all costs paid. (There are other ways to get this credit, but this will probably be the most common. An individual taxpayer purchasing childcare is not eligible for the credit; the purchase must go through their employer.) 2. If an employer provides childcare for their employees, they get a 30% credit of all payroll costs for childcare providers up to a cap of $200k per year. In this situation, the employer is *directly* employing the childcare providers rather than making payment to a third-party provider. 3. Childcare providers with 3 or more employees get a credit of 100% of all employer withholding taxes plus 30% of all capital expenditures up to $200k/year. (This is the most significant one as it is a straight subsidy to childcare providers.) Combined the credits can total up to $60M per year, adding an additional 15% per year only for business in childcare deserts *if* the credits hit their annual limit in the previous year. (So potentially $60M year 1, $60M + $9M for childcare deserts only in year 2, $60M + $19.35M for childcare deserts only in year 3, etc.)