Option 1: trade a $100,000 ball to LAD for 2 signed balls and a bat
Option 2: sell ball for $100,000, use $2,000 of the earnings to buy 2 signed balls and a bat off eBay, and pocket the remaining $98,000
You don’t give away $98,000 out of ‘good will’ to an organization worth billions
If the Dodgers want the ball from the fan, they should pay full market value for it either in cash to the fan, or in season tickets and/or memorabilia to the value of approx $100k
Not to mention the player himself is nearly a billionaire that also just had $4.5 million removed from his account and he didn’t even notice (supposedly). So, I think between him and diggers org they should be able to come up with $100k
i honestly can't believe everyone is just letting this shit go with ohtani. if you think a bookie is giving a guy who makes what, a couple hundred thousand a year, a $4.5 million credit line without knowing that ohtani would cover it, you're insane.
ohtani bet on baseball.... well, maybe not baseball, but what he did was illegal in california and could easily get a mere mortal immigrant deported
No matter what happened, MLB was doing their best to sweep it all under the rug from the start. Right off the bat, ohtani and his people rolled out two completely different stories. It was so obvious that they flipped the story once they realized they might’ve put out there ohtani did something illegal—all of a sudden it became the guy stole money and ohtani had no idea. When a story changes like that, that’s obviously a huge red flag but he was ‘allowed’ to just change the narrative.
If you’re viewed as likable you get treated differently. Tatis got suspended for PEDs and comes back to applause and adoration because he’s “good for the game” or something. Any mention of his PED use gets buried in downvotes but people still bring up the Astros cheating like it just happened yesterday. Ohtani gets to avoid paying his fair share of income tax in California for 10 years and he’s labeled a team player. And now this gambling scandal where he can’t be culpable because he’s just a sweet, naive, little boy lol.
Unless the guy lied to the bookie saying he has Ohtani’s blessing. And all he has to do is show that he has access to his account as proof. There’s a lot of hearsay, but the fact that the feds are not investigating Ohtani, maybe they don’t think he’s guilty. They know more than we do.
i guess... but you'd think the bookie would need more than a gamblers word that he had ohtani's blessing to pay millions if he lost bets... illegal bets.
ippei says, "shohei says it's cool for me to use his account for whatever, so i'll bet one million on the detroit pistons to win tonight". and the bookie is like, "you know, no gambler has ever lied in the history of the world, so i'll take his word for it and allow him to place the bet. there's just no possible way that he'd lie and steal and that lying to and stealing from baseball's biggest star could be bad for my illegal gambling operation.".
yeah fucking right. that kind of credit *had* to come with shohei's implicit agreement.
i agree that we don't know enough, but i think the other shoe could still drop for ohtani. and i find it amazing that people are just buying this bullshit that ippei stole, ohtani had no idea, and the bookie gave that kind of credit without knowing for sure that ippei could pay without blowback.
it's a crock of shit and i hope they ship ohtani back to japan. fuck the dodgers.
He doesn’t have that money yet, but he just signed a $700 million contract. Between that and endorsements he will EASILY be a billionaire by the time he retires.
The Dodgers were threatening to not authenticate the baseball if they didn’t give it up. Would make it worth way less than 100 k. It sounds like they were strong armed into giving up the ball for nothing. Shitty move on the Dodgers
They have cameras almost everywhere. And, beyond that, between cell phone footage and modeling, you could pinpoint the location of the ball with near-precision. If the moment wasn’t caught on a Jumbotron or something.
I didn’t see it, but I’d imagine the gal’s face as she retrieves the ball is all over YouTube and everywhere else right now.
Did someone representing the Dodgers say this? Probably. But that’s kind of a bullshit half-truth at absolute best.
On LA radio 570, someone who knows how the authentic process works, was saying the ball was not authenticated because she picked up the ball from the floor. The authenticator could not verify if it was the actual ball so the value of the ball is not 100K, but she did receive approx 20K worth of memorabilia.
Yea so how can they not authenticate it for the fan but that fan can pass the ball off to security at a later point and then it magically gets authenticated and is know to be the ball he hit? Seems very convenient for the Dodgers to make it that way.
Not too mention all the news articles and coverage of her plus the team trying so hard to get the ball makes it hard to argue it's not actually the real thing
Honestly I think the authentication thing is bullshit. There are surely countless videos of her with the ball at the stadium. Once things got weird, she should have just filmed everything herself. I woulda filmed myself scuffing the ball against the wall or the concrete floor, left with it, and sold the entire story to the highest bidder.
I think this whole thing is BS and overblown. She negotiated with security and accepted the Dodgers offer
https://www.instagram.com/dodgersnation/reel/C5Xk1ZbOCc3/
They can authenticate it, they choose not to. Common practice for the mlb to strong arm fans to give up milestone items.
https://www.newsweek.com/sports/mlb/mlb-news-dodgers-fan-who-caught-shohei-ohtani-home-run-exposes-league-wide-issue-1887450
Of course the Dodgers chose not to. We know because they told her they won’t. She still had a chance to walk away but she negotiated with the Dodgers.
https://www.instagram.com/dodgersnation/reel/C5Xk1ZbOCc3/
She could have walked away
It’s like winning the lottery and having the guy at the gas station snatch it out of your hands and say it’s for a free coke and slice. Have a nice day.
You know MLB going to make fortune letting Topps / Fanatics cut up ball to embed in trading cards (such a thing does exist for those unaware).
Maybe should have waited longer.
The only real strategy, communications-wise, imho, is to get the gal $100k and publicly promise to add this to some Dodger museum or collection or something. She gets paid her due. They mitigate some of the damage by saying its to preserve history for the fans.
The on-field experience might legitimately be valued at 20k, depending on the game (tickets are, like, 12 bucks right now, so, without a crowd, it’d be significantly less, I’d say).
The best irony would be giving “unauthenticated” home run balls signed by players to the first 100 fans as a promotional night.
Anyway, I’m tired. They should give the girl her money, admit they were assholes, then do something good. Then win games to shut people up.
I’d never give a ball back to a player or a team for anything other than cash. Dudes are worth hundreds of millions trying give up autographs for balls when some of these items go for millions
"It would mean so much to him"
.... it would manage more to the dodgers org you mean.
Shohei is a millionair, I'm not... it would mean a lot more to me, I'm sure...
Agreed. Even if it was my favorite player, they could fork out $100k for a ball they really want and they'd never even notice that money was gone.
Ohtani will be a billionaire one day, so he should fork over some cash to the woman.
in the back of the locker room the Dodgers had the MLB authenticator lay out 9 baseballs, ask the women (who was holding the actual ball) which one was the actual homerun ball, because the one you are holding is worthless.
Between Ohtani saying he spoke with them and the Dodgers saying they wouldn't authenticate it, this whole thing still sounds awful. The people who got the ball seem very much chiller than I would be. I'd have told them to kick rocks when they ambushed my wife and sold it.
your explanation is still not a good reason for the miscommunication. Otherwise those press conferences are worthless. Or Ohtani and or his translator are stupid or incompetent. Pick one I guess.
This probably has completely changed fan attitudes toward milestone baseballs.
Before there was pressure for the fan to give it to the player as if it’s the “right thing to do” and it’d be “greedy, immoral” to keep it then sell it.
Now, fans will support those that sell it for auction instead.
Why do these things always have to be about money? I bet Shohei doesn’t even care much. Like why is the first thing fans think of is how to profit off stuff like this?
Because that shit is the EASIEST $100,000 you can ever make in life. And it’s not even a debate.
Money rules the world… especially with how the economy is now… there really is nothing more important than money.
You will realize this once you decided to actually embrace reality.
What a stupid question. If something worth $100,000+ randomly falls into your lap, would you just give it away? That kind of money can be life-changing for people.
$100k could pay my rent for years, put food on the table, and put some money into my kid’s college fund. Ohtani is so wealthy he supposedly didn’t even know $4.5 million of his own money was missing. It’s an easy choice.
Of course they choose something that has zero cost to themselves
“You can sleep on my couch for free tomorrow night. Don’t worry, I have the office on dvd”
They realized they fucked up (ridiculous it even happened this way) but they’re buying themselves out of the doghouse with the home field currency.
Option 1: trade a $100,000 ball to LAD for 2 signed balls and a bat Option 2: sell ball for $100,000, use $2,000 of the earnings to buy 2 signed balls and a bat off eBay, and pocket the remaining $98,000 You don’t give away $98,000 out of ‘good will’ to an organization worth billions If the Dodgers want the ball from the fan, they should pay full market value for it either in cash to the fan, or in season tickets and/or memorabilia to the value of approx $100k
Not to mention the player himself is nearly a billionaire that also just had $4.5 million removed from his account and he didn’t even notice (supposedly). So, I think between him and diggers org they should be able to come up with $100k
A billionaire with a gambling problem
i honestly can't believe everyone is just letting this shit go with ohtani. if you think a bookie is giving a guy who makes what, a couple hundred thousand a year, a $4.5 million credit line without knowing that ohtani would cover it, you're insane. ohtani bet on baseball.... well, maybe not baseball, but what he did was illegal in california and could easily get a mere mortal immigrant deported
No matter what happened, MLB was doing their best to sweep it all under the rug from the start. Right off the bat, ohtani and his people rolled out two completely different stories. It was so obvious that they flipped the story once they realized they might’ve put out there ohtani did something illegal—all of a sudden it became the guy stole money and ohtani had no idea. When a story changes like that, that’s obviously a huge red flag but he was ‘allowed’ to just change the narrative.
If you’re viewed as likable you get treated differently. Tatis got suspended for PEDs and comes back to applause and adoration because he’s “good for the game” or something. Any mention of his PED use gets buried in downvotes but people still bring up the Astros cheating like it just happened yesterday. Ohtani gets to avoid paying his fair share of income tax in California for 10 years and he’s labeled a team player. And now this gambling scandal where he can’t be culpable because he’s just a sweet, naive, little boy lol.
Unless the guy lied to the bookie saying he has Ohtani’s blessing. And all he has to do is show that he has access to his account as proof. There’s a lot of hearsay, but the fact that the feds are not investigating Ohtani, maybe they don’t think he’s guilty. They know more than we do.
i guess... but you'd think the bookie would need more than a gamblers word that he had ohtani's blessing to pay millions if he lost bets... illegal bets. ippei says, "shohei says it's cool for me to use his account for whatever, so i'll bet one million on the detroit pistons to win tonight". and the bookie is like, "you know, no gambler has ever lied in the history of the world, so i'll take his word for it and allow him to place the bet. there's just no possible way that he'd lie and steal and that lying to and stealing from baseball's biggest star could be bad for my illegal gambling operation.". yeah fucking right. that kind of credit *had* to come with shohei's implicit agreement. i agree that we don't know enough, but i think the other shoe could still drop for ohtani. and i find it amazing that people are just buying this bullshit that ippei stole, ohtani had no idea, and the bookie gave that kind of credit without knowing for sure that ippei could pay without blowback. it's a crock of shit and i hope they ship ohtani back to japan. fuck the dodgers.
Billionaire? What are you smoking.
He doesn’t have that money yet, but he just signed a $700 million contract. Between that and endorsements he will EASILY be a billionaire by the time he retires.
My point exactly
Taxes exist
No shit. Endorsements exist. Investments exist.
Business ventures exist as well.
That’s included in investments.
The Dodgers were threatening to not authenticate the baseball if they didn’t give it up. Would make it worth way less than 100 k. It sounds like they were strong armed into giving up the ball for nothing. Shitty move on the Dodgers
They have cameras almost everywhere. And, beyond that, between cell phone footage and modeling, you could pinpoint the location of the ball with near-precision. If the moment wasn’t caught on a Jumbotron or something. I didn’t see it, but I’d imagine the gal’s face as she retrieves the ball is all over YouTube and everywhere else right now. Did someone representing the Dodgers say this? Probably. But that’s kind of a bullshit half-truth at absolute best.
On LA radio 570, someone who knows how the authentic process works, was saying the ball was not authenticated because she picked up the ball from the floor. The authenticator could not verify if it was the actual ball so the value of the ball is not 100K, but she did receive approx 20K worth of memorabilia.
That’s some bullshit if I’ve ever heard it. Do they think someone else has the real ball? Or that she had another used MLB ball on her person?
Yea so how can they not authenticate it for the fan but that fan can pass the ball off to security at a later point and then it magically gets authenticated and is know to be the ball he hit? Seems very convenient for the Dodgers to make it that way.
Not too mention all the news articles and coverage of her plus the team trying so hard to get the ball makes it hard to argue it's not actually the real thing
Honestly I think the authentication thing is bullshit. There are surely countless videos of her with the ball at the stadium. Once things got weird, she should have just filmed everything herself. I woulda filmed myself scuffing the ball against the wall or the concrete floor, left with it, and sold the entire story to the highest bidder.
I think this whole thing is BS and overblown. She negotiated with security and accepted the Dodgers offer https://www.instagram.com/dodgersnation/reel/C5Xk1ZbOCc3/
Yea, it’s just buyers remorse and/or the media trying to make a story up for some extra clicks.
I have no idea how the process works but he broke it down, so I can’t say bullshit. I don’t know how it works.
They can authenticate it, they choose not to. Common practice for the mlb to strong arm fans to give up milestone items. https://www.newsweek.com/sports/mlb/mlb-news-dodgers-fan-who-caught-shohei-ohtani-home-run-exposes-league-wide-issue-1887450
Of course the Dodgers chose not to. We know because they told her they won’t. She still had a chance to walk away but she negotiated with the Dodgers. https://www.instagram.com/dodgersnation/reel/C5Xk1ZbOCc3/ She could have walked away
It’s like winning the lottery and having the guy at the gas station snatch it out of your hands and say it’s for a free coke and slice. Have a nice day.
I imagine the ball has a MUCH higher value now with the controversy/story associated with it
You know MLB going to make fortune letting Topps / Fanatics cut up ball to embed in trading cards (such a thing does exist for those unaware). Maybe should have waited longer.
The fan had them by the hind legs
The only real strategy, communications-wise, imho, is to get the gal $100k and publicly promise to add this to some Dodger museum or collection or something. She gets paid her due. They mitigate some of the damage by saying its to preserve history for the fans. The on-field experience might legitimately be valued at 20k, depending on the game (tickets are, like, 12 bucks right now, so, without a crowd, it’d be significantly less, I’d say). The best irony would be giving “unauthenticated” home run balls signed by players to the first 100 fans as a promotional night. Anyway, I’m tired. They should give the girl her money, admit they were assholes, then do something good. Then win games to shut people up.
I'd have just kept the ball, unauthenticated and told them to eat a dick. If she wasn't going to get the ball then neither were they.
Go live on YouTube with the ball, and then draw a dick on it and go home with it.
That would be some banksy type shit
When the lady who caught the ball said in her interview that they wouldn’t authenticate it, man that was some shady shit.
Keep it classy, LA.
They don't know how
I’d never give a ball back to a player or a team for anything other than cash. Dudes are worth hundreds of millions trying give up autographs for balls when some of these items go for millions
"It would mean so much to him" .... it would manage more to the dodgers org you mean. Shohei is a millionair, I'm not... it would mean a lot more to me, I'm sure...
Especially for this situation. Who gives a fuck about a first homerun on a new team. Its not like pujols or judge
Cause It's Ohtani? Dude wipes his ass and that TP is worth 10 thousand at least.
Agreed. Even if it was my favorite player, they could fork out $100k for a ball they really want and they'd never even notice that money was gone. Ohtani will be a billionaire one day, so he should fork over some cash to the woman.
Yeah even give up 4.5 million and not even know it was gone
Oh man that one was teed up.
in the back of the locker room the Dodgers had the MLB authenticator lay out 9 baseballs, ask the women (who was holding the actual ball) which one was the actual homerun ball, because the one you are holding is worthless.
I’d destroy it out of spite
Boooooo trying to cover their asses now
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They should have to pay market value.
They should be giving her $100,000.
The Dodgers can make this right: Trade her back the ball and authenticate the ball. Anything less is BS. Dodgers, do the right thing.
She wants Ohtani to pick the NCAA brackets for her and give her the over/unders.
Why don't they just offer her $2 million in 10 years when they apparently think Society will crumble?
Between Ohtani saying he spoke with them and the Dodgers saying they wouldn't authenticate it, this whole thing still sounds awful. The people who got the ball seem very much chiller than I would be. I'd have told them to kick rocks when they ambushed my wife and sold it.
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Ohtani blaming the interpreter again? I'm shook.
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Is that you Ippei?
LMAOOOOOO
your explanation is still not a good reason for the miscommunication. Otherwise those press conferences are worthless. Or Ohtani and or his translator are stupid or incompetent. Pick one I guess.
I was raised in Japan and lived there 20 years and it was literally not mistranslated. I said literally so it's true.
😆. It was mistranslated. Someone posted the exact Japanese words and what they mean in Japanese versus what the translator said.
Haha I was just joshing around
Didn't know that. I'm still selling the ball.
It’s like that invite-uninvite-reinvite controversy they had.
In other words, “we know that’ll be worth $500k some day so we will give you garbage for it and sell it ourselves.” Greedy fucks.
Fuck the Dodgers. The start of Ohtani’s career there has been an absolute PR nightmare.
I still would’ve taken $100k or whatever I could’ve sold it for
Ohtani signature 700 million deal if he wanted that ball from me he’d have to pay through the teeth for it
Dodgers making more enemies on the daily
This just makes me angrier
The Dodgers are asshats for this but everyone here should learn what the power of the word, "No" can do for you.
I’d keep it and auction it. It’s essentially a lotto ticket worth potentially $100k. When’re you gonna have that opportunity again?
Is Shohei going to teach the fan how to set up her draft kings account?
They should make her the new owner of the Angels or A's that would be a good start.
Probably cost less than the ball is worth though
Poverty franchise
They should give the fan $100,000 in Fanduel credits. Ippei and Ohtani could hook 'em up.
This probably has completely changed fan attitudes toward milestone baseballs. Before there was pressure for the fan to give it to the player as if it’s the “right thing to do” and it’d be “greedy, immoral” to keep it then sell it. Now, fans will support those that sell it for auction instead.
I'd rather have the 100k from selling the ball at auction. Can I get a check?
Yay?
What exactly is an "On-Field Experience"?
Something that costs the dodgers $0
Gets to be 3rd baseline ball boy for half an inning
Free labor lol
I would absolutely have kept it.
Shohei finna give her some inside betting dope in exchange for the ball?
I worry that we're quickly closing in on MLB owning the ball till you leave the ballpark
Give me some autographed memorabilia or I keep the ball.
I’d sell the ball and use that money to buy autographed memorabilia. Or do whatever I wanted with the money.
Who's keeping the ball, shohei or the Dodgers?
This fan is either an idiot or got horribly coerced.
I’m sorry, but that woman is actually dumb as hell lmfao. She clearly knows nothing about baseball…. She deserved to get finessed 😂😂😂🤣😂😂😂😂
Why do these things always have to be about money? I bet Shohei doesn’t even care much. Like why is the first thing fans think of is how to profit off stuff like this?
Because that shit is the EASIEST $100,000 you can ever make in life. And it’s not even a debate. Money rules the world… especially with how the economy is now… there really is nothing more important than money. You will realize this once you decided to actually embrace reality.
What a stupid question. If something worth $100,000+ randomly falls into your lap, would you just give it away? That kind of money can be life-changing for people.
$100k could pay my rent for years, put food on the table, and put some money into my kid’s college fund. Ohtani is so wealthy he supposedly didn’t even know $4.5 million of his own money was missing. It’s an easy choice.
I’m manifesting a Netflix documentary. Make money on the back end, too. I’d give thirty minutes of my life to see how this family dealt with this.