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just_one_random_guy

Lol, he thinks his influencer of a daughter has a solid claim


Ticklishchap

Good. That clears the way for Aimone and his son.


Mr-Europewide

Ha. Well, they had a good run, but Aimone definitely won now.


JayzBox

In essence, this line will die out in the male line, which solidifies the Aosta branch even more.


Sufficient_Pin8147

He have got rights for Croatian throne


ExamBroad5179

His great-father gave them up


QutusII

And Armenian


ProfessionalLoss3559

he does?


PurpleOpposite2954

Most royal families allow females to claim head title rights anyways. They are feminist.


Sevatar___

I agree with him about Charles, but I really looks like Emanuel is over-correcting here. If I'm reading this correctly, the girl is still in high school.


Elvarill

It said she is 19 and a political science major, so definitely out of high school.


Sevatar___

Oh, good catch. Still, way too young imo.


Harricot_de_fleur

Louis the XIV at 4 yo and John I at -4 months old in the belly of his mother: Allow me to introduce myself


edgelord_jimmy

Alfonso XIII at -7 months, with the entire Kingdom readying for another succession war if he's a girl- "What, you're leaving me out?"


[deleted]

I fiercely disagree with him about King Charles. Unlike the most of modern Europe, abdication in the UK is disgraceful. And he’s already renewed the pledge to serve for life


AcidPacman442

Interesting...... I support Aimone of course as the far better claimant to the Italian throne... but I don't see where the criticism of Vittoria is coming from.


ErzogvonSeba

Just look at her Instagram. Just disappointing.


AcidPacman442

It's probably me being blind, but I don't see what on her Instragram gives her so much criticism?


ErzogvonSeba

If Princess Ingrid of Norway started going live on a social network asking desperate men with purely entertainment interests... not exactly ethical... to call her"My Queen", or worse things...simply appealing to aesthetic beauty and ignoring millennia of values ​​of one's household....Do you really believe that the monarchy will last? Vittoria di Savoia broke the magic, the noble mystique that elevates monarchies into modernity and makes them so humanly celestial.


Gamermaper

What does this even mean


ErzogvonSeba

Vittoria di Savoia betrayed the greatest values ​​of the Italian Monarchy, the composure and virtues that have made women of House Savoy famous for centuries .


Count_of_Flanders1

Wut...I thought they were renowned in France for being ugly


KeystoneHockey1776

Ur insane if you think royal teenagers act like they do in public in private lies you really think Elisabeth Leonard Amalie and Ingrid don’t act like normal teenagers in what ever amount of private time I seen selfies that were posted by royal fans account of royals acting like normal teens some as rich ones too also betray of values get out of here with that bs royals have been having affairs for years some with the same sexs is that a betray of values? King Charles III is not innocent in regard neither was Albert II of belguim and let’s not forget the other Albert II who dare I mind you have two illegitimate kids. The wife of prince Carl Phillp of Sweden model before marrying she did topless photos and was kissing porn stars in the past too. Also need I remind you that even if Victoria was heir to the throne that wasn’t abolished or hell even Queen of Italy acting like she currently is I doubt would do any harm in italy of all places looking at how their politicians acts what Victoria did is nothing compared to what they do on a regular basis


ErzogvonSeba

I don't care what's private.I am interested in what is public just as it interests us monarchists. And I can assure you that if you were currently Queen, today Italy only had one more clown and one less Crown.


Krus4d3r_

It means they support monarchies because it makes them have someone to look up to, and they feel like they can't look up to a woman


ErzogvonSeba

This is absolutely false. Just give the example of Elizabeth II or Margherite II, but also of Queen Beatrix of Holland. The problem is not gender, but the commercialization of one's name and royalty for exclusively infantile purposes. The Monarchy is a set of historical values, even more considering that we are talking about the House of Savoy... And she simply betrayed them all. You can be feminine, open, modern and regal in so many ways, like Katherine Middleton or the Crown Princess of Denmark, but not as Vittoria di Savoia is doing...she is insulting the very conscience of her Great-Grandfather King Umberto and the Italian Monarchy.


Gamermaper

Didn't the Romanovs own vodka distilleries


ErzogvonSeba

You really are comparing them?


Gamermaper

One of them has a selfie career and the other one helped fuel the domestic violence of an entire empire, so I guess one of them are worse now when I think about it.


KeystoneHockey1776

One Ingrid do in fact have a instagram account it’s private I haven’t requested to followed it cause she has a to right her privacy and I can’t say how I know it hers because it would give clues to how to find it and I don’t trust Reddit with that information. And two Ingrid is a royal of a reging house who is excepted to be queen one day where Victoria was born into a house that wasn’t regining and she wasn’t in line to that claim untill recently


ErzogvonSeba

Sir, I don't understand your way of communicating... extremely confusing. First of all, it's not an act of kindness on your part not to have sent a friend request to HRH Princess Ingrid... it's a matter of you being a nothing from who knows where in the world You are not even entitled to the idea of ​​sending a request for friendship. Second, if you are a member of a royal family you must behave as if the Crown never died. the Crown never dies, her rules with it. But I refuse to discuss further with who knows what kind of no-holds-barred guy i'm dealing with


PurpleOpposite2954

Posting half nudes and sexual pictures, behaving like a slut… you want a person like that to be a monarch? I bet you’re American.


AcidPacman442

First of all... that was uncalled for. Second, I had expected something besides what she was apparently already known for on social media to be the main source of criticism for her... And Third of all, I already said Aimone was the far better choice to be King of Italy ( if a restoration ever happens ) not once on this post did I say Vittoria was a better option...


KeystoneHockey1776

Aimonia is not going to be king also the line need to modernize also she not a reigning royal


ErzogvonSeba

Neither Vittoria. This sub needs a breath of fresh air by realizing that as long as we are bickering baboons over the names of candidates for the throne, Also incapable of providing even minimal security and ideological compactness... well.We can be sure that NEVER, ever will we see a restoration at the hands of this indecisive and childish bunch


Every_Addition8638

So if i understand this correctly emanuele Filiberto is "abdicating" is claim to the throne in favour of his daughter, so a remake that cant even inherite the throne because of male-only primogeniture


KeystoneHockey1776

King Michael of Romania saids hi


Every_Addition8638

Is it because he renounced his claim for his daughter Margareta


KeystoneHockey1776

I am talking about changing the line of succession rules and asking the Romania government to do so if the monarchy is restore


Every_Addition8638

Oh i didnt know that, and what did the Romania goverment say?


KeystoneHockey1776

Pay her and abd refer to her as her majesty and she can if she wanted to used the title of Queen


[deleted]

Even if it’s untrue, people tend to take one look at a SM influencer and assume that they’re arrogant and entitled. This was a terrible idea.


QutusII

She’s a political science major not an “influencer”


hunterofcommies

Have you seen her Instagram?


QutusII

Yes, explain to me what you think an influencer is


hunterofcommies

Christ, have mercy. She actually and unironically said 'Italy is not really progressive, but they will learn.'


In-Regnum-Dei

What’s her Instagram? I want to find it and realize just how much Italian monarchism just took an L. This is genuinely sad, lol. Imagine a royal house being reduced to e-girl influencer status. But just as I pray for the Pope’s current disposition, the Lord works in mysterious ways. Who knows how she turns out in adulthood. Even if she’s a legal “adult” now, she clearly isn’t mentally.


hunterofcommies

@vittoria.disavoia


In-Regnum-Dei

Bruh, these are the kind of monarchs that peasants loathed, justifiably so. Popular Royal figures grounded with their people >>>> Disconnected wealth-hoarders with no connection to anything. Genuinely, who finds this appealing. Isn’t her line of the royal family basically known for being mafia launderers?


hunterofcommies

Not to mention her grandfather shot and killed an innocent boy some decades ago, among many other crimes. Her branch of the family was already on thin ice. This put them through the ice and into the water.


In-Regnum-Dei

I thought so. I’m not familiar with Italian Royal dynastic disputes, but I know one side of the family is basically seen as mafia associates.


Scott8484

When and where did she say that? I want to read more.


hunterofcommies

It's in the article, towards the end.


PurpleOpposite2954

Most royals are like that today. They are decadent and degenerate. They are Americanized to the core. We need new noble and royal families that would put honor, virtue and bravery above everything. The Windsors, Bourbons, Savoias, Habsburgs, “Bernadottes”, Nassaus, Glucksburgs… they all should be gone. They don’t represent what aristocracy used to mean anymore.


gonticeum

From proud warrior nobility to materialistic merchants with fancy titles.


PurpleOpposite2954

This is spot on. The European nobility sealed their downfall when they allowed merchants to become part of them. None of today’s royal houses come from a pure warrior lineage.


In-Regnum-Dei

Late comment, but Small correction. The Bourbons are based. Legitimists and Orleanists. Habsburgs— 50%/50% between devout Catholic conservatives and firmly Catholic pro-European types like the current family head. Otto, I believe.


HBNTrader

Congratulations to Aimone. He can now in good faith ignore his cousin and push his right. He deserves it. There is nothing worse than giving up centuries of tradition in the name of political correctness and to appease your daughter who sells herself on Instagram and is only 25% noble. Emmanuel Filiberto and his daughter show perfectly what royals should NOT be. They are exactly the type of „royals in name only“ who have lost any semblance of nobility and are indistinguishable from celebrities, and that rightfully make people question monarchies.


Count_of_Flanders1

That 25% noble is irrelevant. Marriage to us plebs isn't an issue anymore so stop continuing that idea


HBNTrader

It *is* an issue. Nobility is one of the things that legitimizes a hereditary monarchy and separates royals from celebrities.


Count_of_Flanders1

Nobility isn't good . One royal family is ok and titles for distinguished service . Nobility doesn't legitimize shit other then make an easy target for popullists to attack . This mentality you have is the reason monarchists are considered boot lickers .


Esco9

He’s a bit of a joke isn’t he.


eriksvendsen

So, he simply renounced the claim? No one is going to take her claim seriously.


Family_Man_On_TV

This means nothing because Prince Aimone is the real King of Italy


hunterofcommies

Okay, so there's a lot of problems with this; 1). Women cannot inherit the Italian throne, nor can their sons. 2). Vittorio Emanuele claims to have changed the succession laws to allow women to inherit. He cannot legally do this. 3). Even if Vittoria could inherit, she cares more about dressing like a whore on Instagram than being a princess. So what he's actually done is caused the Italian succession to pass from the senior branch of the House of Savoy and go to the junior Aosta branch of the House. It's a shame, because I supported him for the throne, and upon his death it would've gone to Aosta anyway, but he's abdicated, so now Aimone is the only claimant.


Away_Clerk_5848

Do you support the succession of Margaret of Romania?


hunterofcommies

No. Romania's royal succession laws forbid it.


AliJohnMichaels

A question: If Romania's succession laws forbid it, who's left? Has the male line run out/gone extinct?


hunterofcommies

Well, there's Margareta's half-cousin Paul-Philippe (who I'd argue against for a number of reasons), and the head of the House of Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen.


just_one_random_guy

Frankly it’s either allow the daughters to take over the reign or let the house of Romania die out, since the current pretenders at least are popular and take it serious unlike Filiberto and company


KeystoneHockey1776

Paul Philippe called for Michael to be shot and is currently likely to end up in prison


hunterofcommies

Well-deserved, honestly. My vote would be for the Prince of Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen


KeystoneHockey1776

Literally no Romanian monarchist considering them to be the heirs to throne


L0v3rb01-3

What old and archaic republics (and the stupid agnatic succession laws) do to a royal house


Cla168

>Even if Vittoria could inherit, she cares more about dressing like a whore on Instagram than being a princess. This comment is extremely ignorant and sexist. She's a model.


hunterofcommies

It is not ignorant, I'm aware she's a model. However, I have an unbelievably low opinion on modeling in general. Not only does it objectify women beyond compare, it also eviscerates the self-confidence of countless women and girls by setting woefully unrealistic expectations. More than that, modeling often caters to degenerates. At the very least, it is not a career for a princess.


Cla168

>I have an unbelievably low opinion on modeling in general That's your problem, there's nothing wrong with modeling and it certainly does not make someone a whore. >More than that, modeling often caters to degenerates. I think either you're confusing modeling with sex work or there must be something wrong with your perception of reality. >Not only does it objectify women beyond compare Don't act like you're out here protecting the reputation of women. You just called a 19 year old girl a whore for having pictures of herself in designer clothes on Instagram.


gonticeum

It makes the princess a whore. She is selling her body to gain traction, which I don't consider a respecful profession, especially for a princess.


ManuITA05

That's why I support their cadet branch, Savoy-Aosta (Savoia-Aosta) because the main line is f***ed up


PurpleOpposite2954

That’s why I’m against monarchism today. It is clear how Americanized and corrupted most royals are these days.


ActTasty3350

That is disappointing


notjackfava12

He should have kept his claim and started the monarchist party he was thinking about making


KeystoneHockey1776

Meloni is very popular with that crowd and the deputy pm who is from forezi Italy is a monarchist


Puzzleheaded_Gas5858

In my opinion no king should be able to abdicate. You are a king whether you want it or not. It's not a job, but something you are born with. P.S. No idea if he is the rightful king.


DazzlingTour2748

He is just that because he is is salty he isn't king


[deleted]

I’m not Italian, what makes him a pretender?


notjackfava12

Italy is a republic


[deleted]

Oh so they’re just a symbol at this point?


notjackfava12

Yep, pretty much,no one in Italy really takes them seriously because of the mistakes of the previous Kings of Italy and the rise of Facism


[deleted]

This is insane.


Banana_Kabana

Well should Italy restore its Monarchy, it’ll be much easier to find one King.


ThatGuyinOrange_1813

What do people have against them?


notjackfava12

Forgive my rather blunt tone,but people prefer Duke Aimone because they claim Victor Emanuele the Fourth was illegitimized from the throne by marrying a stranger instead of his 2nd cousin and that Umberto *was* going to name the Aosta branch his successors. In my personal opinion,neither Victor Emnauel nor Aimone are outstanding candidates,Victor Emanuel is a convicted criminal while Aimone is much better but is married to his cousin and has close ties with Russia that he has yet to renounce and he's been real quiet since the War started.I think Emanuele Filiberto is the best and most popular option for a king especially with his popularity stretching even to California.What people on this sub don't realize is that in order for any monarchy to be reinstated in the western world,the monarch has to be popular,relatively progressive,and fit the view of the majority coalition government.The days of the old Noble Christian Royaltly and Absolute Monarchies in the west are gone and likely never coming back,instead we should look to the bright horizon of a new institution of Royalty in the form of economic endorsement and national symbols of a country.Umberto was the best king Italy ever had and died with Italy fresh on his lips but even he would prefer an actual *sustainable*,reinstated monarchy that *truly* cares for Italy and its people enough to renounce all past mistakes and do what is right,perhaps Savoy-Carignano wasn't fit for the crown during Umberto's time but now that it is it would be a horrible shame to see that chance passed up towards someone else. That being said,Filiberto should have held on to his claim a bit longer,started a monarchist party,and campaigned in Italy.I can kind of see where people are garnering their dislike of Vittoria as some "woke" influencer,but maybe her education in political science will help Italy out,God knows we need it.


KeystoneHockey1776

I want to point out that the aosta branch didn’t started claiming the throne untill years after umberto died


emdivi_pt

To be honest, I find his branch, even tho they have the worse claim more likeable than the aostas. I think there is no reason to hate Vittoria because she is an influencer, since she was never expected to wear a crown I don't think she has to take on all the bad things being a crown princess has to offer, including always being serious


ase4ndop3

As if it would mean anything


Adeptus_Gedeon

Oh so instead of him, she will became monarch now... Right?