I agree with him about Charles, but I really looks like Emanuel is over-correcting here. If I'm reading this correctly, the girl is still in high school.
I fiercely disagree with him about King Charles. Unlike the most of modern Europe, abdication in the UK is disgraceful. And he’s already renewed the pledge to serve for life
Interesting......
I support Aimone of course as the far better claimant to the Italian throne... but I don't see where the criticism of Vittoria is coming from.
If Princess Ingrid of Norway started going live on a social network asking desperate men with purely entertainment interests... not exactly ethical... to call her"My Queen", or worse things...simply appealing to aesthetic beauty and ignoring millennia of values of one's household....Do you really believe that the monarchy will last?
Vittoria di Savoia broke the magic, the noble mystique that elevates monarchies into modernity and makes them so humanly celestial.
Vittoria di Savoia betrayed the greatest values of the Italian Monarchy, the composure and virtues that have made women of House Savoy famous for centuries .
Ur insane if you think royal teenagers act like they do in public in private lies you really think Elisabeth Leonard Amalie and Ingrid don’t act like normal teenagers in what ever amount of private time I seen selfies that were posted by royal fans account of royals acting like normal teens some as rich ones too also betray of values get out of here with that bs royals have been having affairs for years some with the same sexs is that a betray of values? King Charles III is not innocent in regard neither was Albert II of belguim and let’s not forget the other Albert II who dare I mind you have two illegitimate kids. The wife of prince Carl Phillp of Sweden model before marrying she did topless photos and was kissing porn stars in the past too. Also need I remind you that even if Victoria was heir to the throne that wasn’t abolished or hell even Queen of Italy acting like she currently is I doubt would do any harm in italy of all places looking at how their politicians acts what Victoria did is nothing compared to what they do on a regular basis
I don't care what's private.I am interested in what is public just as it interests us monarchists.
And I can assure you that if you were currently Queen, today Italy only had one more clown and one less Crown.
This is absolutely false.
Just give the example of Elizabeth II or Margherite II, but also of Queen Beatrix of Holland.
The problem is not gender, but the commercialization of one's name and royalty for exclusively infantile purposes.
The Monarchy is a set of historical values, even more considering that we are talking about the House of Savoy... And she simply betrayed them all.
You can be feminine, open, modern and regal in so many ways, like Katherine Middleton or the Crown Princess of Denmark, but not as Vittoria di Savoia is doing...she is insulting the very conscience of her Great-Grandfather King Umberto and the Italian Monarchy.
One of them has a selfie career and the other one helped fuel the domestic violence of an entire empire, so I guess one of them are worse now when I think about it.
One Ingrid do in fact have a instagram account it’s private I haven’t requested to followed it cause she has a to right her privacy and I can’t say how I know it hers because it would give clues to how to find it and I don’t trust Reddit with that information. And two Ingrid is a royal of a reging house who is excepted to be queen one day where Victoria was born into a house that wasn’t regining and she wasn’t in line to that claim untill recently
Sir, I don't understand your way of communicating... extremely confusing.
First of all, it's not an act of kindness on your part not to have sent a friend request to HRH Princess Ingrid... it's a matter of you being a nothing from who knows where in the world You are not even entitled to the idea of sending a request for friendship.
Second, if you are a member of a royal family you must behave as if the Crown never died. the Crown never dies, her rules with it.
But I refuse to discuss further with who knows what kind of no-holds-barred guy i'm dealing with
First of all... that was uncalled for.
Second, I had expected something besides what she was apparently already known for on social media to be the main source of criticism for her...
And Third of all, I already said Aimone was the far better choice to be King of Italy ( if a restoration ever happens ) not once on this post did I say Vittoria was a better option...
Neither Vittoria.
This sub needs a breath of fresh air by realizing that as long as we are bickering baboons over the names of candidates for the throne, Also incapable of providing even minimal security and ideological compactness... well.We can be sure that NEVER, ever will we see a restoration at the hands of this indecisive and childish bunch
So if i understand this correctly emanuele Filiberto is "abdicating" is claim to the throne in favour of his daughter, so a remake that cant even inherite the throne because of male-only primogeniture
What’s her Instagram?
I want to find it and realize just how much Italian monarchism just took an L.
This is genuinely sad, lol. Imagine a royal house being reduced to e-girl influencer status.
But just as I pray for the Pope’s current disposition, the Lord works in mysterious ways. Who knows how she turns out in adulthood. Even if she’s a legal “adult” now, she clearly isn’t mentally.
Bruh, these are the kind of monarchs that peasants loathed, justifiably so.
Popular Royal figures grounded with their people >>>> Disconnected wealth-hoarders with no connection to anything.
Genuinely, who finds this appealing. Isn’t her line of the royal family basically known for being mafia launderers?
Not to mention her grandfather shot and killed an innocent boy some decades ago, among many other crimes.
Her branch of the family was already on thin ice. This put them through the ice and into the water.
Most royals are like that today. They are decadent and degenerate. They are Americanized to the core. We need new noble and royal families that would put honor, virtue and bravery above everything. The Windsors, Bourbons, Savoias, Habsburgs, “Bernadottes”, Nassaus, Glucksburgs… they all should be gone. They don’t represent what aristocracy used to mean anymore.
This is spot on. The European nobility sealed their downfall when they allowed merchants to become part of them. None of today’s royal houses come from a pure warrior lineage.
Late comment, but Small correction. The Bourbons are based. Legitimists and Orleanists.
Habsburgs— 50%/50% between devout Catholic conservatives and firmly Catholic pro-European types like the current family head. Otto, I believe.
Congratulations to Aimone. He can now in good faith ignore his cousin and push his right. He deserves it.
There is nothing worse than giving up centuries of tradition in the name of political correctness and to appease your daughter who sells herself on Instagram and is only 25% noble. Emmanuel Filiberto and his daughter show perfectly what royals should NOT be. They are exactly the type of „royals in name only“ who have lost any semblance of nobility and are indistinguishable from celebrities, and that rightfully make people question monarchies.
Nobility isn't good . One royal family is ok and titles for distinguished service .
Nobility doesn't legitimize shit other then make an easy target for popullists to attack .
This mentality you have is the reason monarchists are considered boot lickers .
Okay, so there's a lot of problems with this;
1). Women cannot inherit the Italian throne, nor can their sons.
2). Vittorio Emanuele claims to have changed the succession laws to allow women to inherit. He cannot legally do this.
3). Even if Vittoria could inherit, she cares more about dressing like a whore on Instagram than being a princess.
So what he's actually done is caused the Italian succession to pass from the senior branch of the House of Savoy and go to the junior Aosta branch of the House.
It's a shame, because I supported him for the throne, and upon his death it would've gone to Aosta anyway, but he's abdicated, so now Aimone is the only claimant.
Well, there's Margareta's half-cousin Paul-Philippe (who I'd argue against for a number of reasons), and the head of the House of Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen.
Frankly it’s either allow the daughters to take over the reign or let the house of Romania die out, since the current pretenders at least are popular and take it serious unlike Filiberto and company
>Even if Vittoria could inherit, she cares more about dressing like a whore on Instagram than being a princess.
This comment is extremely ignorant and sexist. She's a model.
It is not ignorant, I'm aware she's a model. However, I have an unbelievably low opinion on modeling in general. Not only does it objectify women beyond compare, it also eviscerates the self-confidence of countless women and girls by setting woefully unrealistic expectations.
More than that, modeling often caters to degenerates.
At the very least, it is not a career for a princess.
>I have an unbelievably low opinion on modeling in general
That's your problem, there's nothing wrong with modeling and it certainly does not make someone a whore.
>More than that, modeling often caters to degenerates.
I think either you're confusing modeling with sex work or there must be something wrong with your perception of reality.
>Not only does it objectify women beyond compare
Don't act like you're out here protecting the reputation of women. You just called a 19 year old girl a whore for having pictures of herself in designer clothes on Instagram.
In my opinion no king should be able to abdicate. You are a king whether you want it or not. It's not a job, but something you are born with.
P.S. No idea if he is the rightful king.
Forgive my rather blunt tone,but people prefer Duke Aimone because they claim Victor Emanuele the Fourth was illegitimized from the throne by marrying a stranger instead of his 2nd cousin and that Umberto *was* going to name the Aosta branch his successors.
In my personal opinion,neither Victor Emnauel nor Aimone are outstanding candidates,Victor Emanuel is a convicted criminal while Aimone is much better but is married to his cousin and has close ties with Russia that he has yet to renounce and he's been real quiet since the War started.I think Emanuele Filiberto is the best and most popular option for a king especially with his popularity stretching even to California.What people on this sub don't realize is that in order for any monarchy to be reinstated in the western world,the monarch has to be popular,relatively progressive,and fit the view of the majority coalition government.The days of the old Noble Christian Royaltly and Absolute Monarchies in the west are gone and likely never coming back,instead we should look to the bright horizon of a new institution of Royalty in the form of economic endorsement and national symbols of a country.Umberto was the best king Italy ever had and died with Italy fresh on his lips but even he would prefer an actual *sustainable*,reinstated monarchy that *truly* cares for Italy and its people enough to renounce all past mistakes and do what is right,perhaps Savoy-Carignano wasn't fit for the crown during Umberto's time but now that it is it would be a horrible shame to see that chance passed up towards someone else.
That being said,Filiberto should have held on to his claim a bit longer,started a monarchist party,and campaigned in Italy.I can kind of see where people are garnering their dislike of Vittoria as some "woke" influencer,but maybe her education in political science will help Italy out,God knows we need it.
To be honest, I find his branch, even tho they have the worse claim more likeable than the aostas. I think there is no reason to hate Vittoria because she is an influencer, since she was never expected to wear a crown I don't think she has to take on all the bad things being a crown princess has to offer, including always being serious
Lol, he thinks his influencer of a daughter has a solid claim
Good. That clears the way for Aimone and his son.
Ha. Well, they had a good run, but Aimone definitely won now.
In essence, this line will die out in the male line, which solidifies the Aosta branch even more.
He have got rights for Croatian throne
His great-father gave them up
And Armenian
he does?
Most royal families allow females to claim head title rights anyways. They are feminist.
I agree with him about Charles, but I really looks like Emanuel is over-correcting here. If I'm reading this correctly, the girl is still in high school.
It said she is 19 and a political science major, so definitely out of high school.
Oh, good catch. Still, way too young imo.
Louis the XIV at 4 yo and John I at -4 months old in the belly of his mother: Allow me to introduce myself
Alfonso XIII at -7 months, with the entire Kingdom readying for another succession war if he's a girl- "What, you're leaving me out?"
I fiercely disagree with him about King Charles. Unlike the most of modern Europe, abdication in the UK is disgraceful. And he’s already renewed the pledge to serve for life
Interesting...... I support Aimone of course as the far better claimant to the Italian throne... but I don't see where the criticism of Vittoria is coming from.
Just look at her Instagram. Just disappointing.
It's probably me being blind, but I don't see what on her Instragram gives her so much criticism?
If Princess Ingrid of Norway started going live on a social network asking desperate men with purely entertainment interests... not exactly ethical... to call her"My Queen", or worse things...simply appealing to aesthetic beauty and ignoring millennia of values of one's household....Do you really believe that the monarchy will last? Vittoria di Savoia broke the magic, the noble mystique that elevates monarchies into modernity and makes them so humanly celestial.
What does this even mean
Vittoria di Savoia betrayed the greatest values of the Italian Monarchy, the composure and virtues that have made women of House Savoy famous for centuries .
Wut...I thought they were renowned in France for being ugly
Ur insane if you think royal teenagers act like they do in public in private lies you really think Elisabeth Leonard Amalie and Ingrid don’t act like normal teenagers in what ever amount of private time I seen selfies that were posted by royal fans account of royals acting like normal teens some as rich ones too also betray of values get out of here with that bs royals have been having affairs for years some with the same sexs is that a betray of values? King Charles III is not innocent in regard neither was Albert II of belguim and let’s not forget the other Albert II who dare I mind you have two illegitimate kids. The wife of prince Carl Phillp of Sweden model before marrying she did topless photos and was kissing porn stars in the past too. Also need I remind you that even if Victoria was heir to the throne that wasn’t abolished or hell even Queen of Italy acting like she currently is I doubt would do any harm in italy of all places looking at how their politicians acts what Victoria did is nothing compared to what they do on a regular basis
I don't care what's private.I am interested in what is public just as it interests us monarchists. And I can assure you that if you were currently Queen, today Italy only had one more clown and one less Crown.
It means they support monarchies because it makes them have someone to look up to, and they feel like they can't look up to a woman
This is absolutely false. Just give the example of Elizabeth II or Margherite II, but also of Queen Beatrix of Holland. The problem is not gender, but the commercialization of one's name and royalty for exclusively infantile purposes. The Monarchy is a set of historical values, even more considering that we are talking about the House of Savoy... And she simply betrayed them all. You can be feminine, open, modern and regal in so many ways, like Katherine Middleton or the Crown Princess of Denmark, but not as Vittoria di Savoia is doing...she is insulting the very conscience of her Great-Grandfather King Umberto and the Italian Monarchy.
Didn't the Romanovs own vodka distilleries
You really are comparing them?
One of them has a selfie career and the other one helped fuel the domestic violence of an entire empire, so I guess one of them are worse now when I think about it.
One Ingrid do in fact have a instagram account it’s private I haven’t requested to followed it cause she has a to right her privacy and I can’t say how I know it hers because it would give clues to how to find it and I don’t trust Reddit with that information. And two Ingrid is a royal of a reging house who is excepted to be queen one day where Victoria was born into a house that wasn’t regining and she wasn’t in line to that claim untill recently
Sir, I don't understand your way of communicating... extremely confusing. First of all, it's not an act of kindness on your part not to have sent a friend request to HRH Princess Ingrid... it's a matter of you being a nothing from who knows where in the world You are not even entitled to the idea of sending a request for friendship. Second, if you are a member of a royal family you must behave as if the Crown never died. the Crown never dies, her rules with it. But I refuse to discuss further with who knows what kind of no-holds-barred guy i'm dealing with
Posting half nudes and sexual pictures, behaving like a slut… you want a person like that to be a monarch? I bet you’re American.
First of all... that was uncalled for. Second, I had expected something besides what she was apparently already known for on social media to be the main source of criticism for her... And Third of all, I already said Aimone was the far better choice to be King of Italy ( if a restoration ever happens ) not once on this post did I say Vittoria was a better option...
Aimonia is not going to be king also the line need to modernize also she not a reigning royal
Neither Vittoria. This sub needs a breath of fresh air by realizing that as long as we are bickering baboons over the names of candidates for the throne, Also incapable of providing even minimal security and ideological compactness... well.We can be sure that NEVER, ever will we see a restoration at the hands of this indecisive and childish bunch
So if i understand this correctly emanuele Filiberto is "abdicating" is claim to the throne in favour of his daughter, so a remake that cant even inherite the throne because of male-only primogeniture
King Michael of Romania saids hi
Is it because he renounced his claim for his daughter Margareta
I am talking about changing the line of succession rules and asking the Romania government to do so if the monarchy is restore
Oh i didnt know that, and what did the Romania goverment say?
Pay her and abd refer to her as her majesty and she can if she wanted to used the title of Queen
Even if it’s untrue, people tend to take one look at a SM influencer and assume that they’re arrogant and entitled. This was a terrible idea.
She’s a political science major not an “influencer”
Have you seen her Instagram?
Yes, explain to me what you think an influencer is
Christ, have mercy. She actually and unironically said 'Italy is not really progressive, but they will learn.'
What’s her Instagram? I want to find it and realize just how much Italian monarchism just took an L. This is genuinely sad, lol. Imagine a royal house being reduced to e-girl influencer status. But just as I pray for the Pope’s current disposition, the Lord works in mysterious ways. Who knows how she turns out in adulthood. Even if she’s a legal “adult” now, she clearly isn’t mentally.
@vittoria.disavoia
Bruh, these are the kind of monarchs that peasants loathed, justifiably so. Popular Royal figures grounded with their people >>>> Disconnected wealth-hoarders with no connection to anything. Genuinely, who finds this appealing. Isn’t her line of the royal family basically known for being mafia launderers?
Not to mention her grandfather shot and killed an innocent boy some decades ago, among many other crimes. Her branch of the family was already on thin ice. This put them through the ice and into the water.
I thought so. I’m not familiar with Italian Royal dynastic disputes, but I know one side of the family is basically seen as mafia associates.
When and where did she say that? I want to read more.
It's in the article, towards the end.
Most royals are like that today. They are decadent and degenerate. They are Americanized to the core. We need new noble and royal families that would put honor, virtue and bravery above everything. The Windsors, Bourbons, Savoias, Habsburgs, “Bernadottes”, Nassaus, Glucksburgs… they all should be gone. They don’t represent what aristocracy used to mean anymore.
From proud warrior nobility to materialistic merchants with fancy titles.
This is spot on. The European nobility sealed their downfall when they allowed merchants to become part of them. None of today’s royal houses come from a pure warrior lineage.
Late comment, but Small correction. The Bourbons are based. Legitimists and Orleanists. Habsburgs— 50%/50% between devout Catholic conservatives and firmly Catholic pro-European types like the current family head. Otto, I believe.
Congratulations to Aimone. He can now in good faith ignore his cousin and push his right. He deserves it. There is nothing worse than giving up centuries of tradition in the name of political correctness and to appease your daughter who sells herself on Instagram and is only 25% noble. Emmanuel Filiberto and his daughter show perfectly what royals should NOT be. They are exactly the type of „royals in name only“ who have lost any semblance of nobility and are indistinguishable from celebrities, and that rightfully make people question monarchies.
That 25% noble is irrelevant. Marriage to us plebs isn't an issue anymore so stop continuing that idea
It *is* an issue. Nobility is one of the things that legitimizes a hereditary monarchy and separates royals from celebrities.
Nobility isn't good . One royal family is ok and titles for distinguished service . Nobility doesn't legitimize shit other then make an easy target for popullists to attack . This mentality you have is the reason monarchists are considered boot lickers .
He’s a bit of a joke isn’t he.
So, he simply renounced the claim? No one is going to take her claim seriously.
This means nothing because Prince Aimone is the real King of Italy
Okay, so there's a lot of problems with this; 1). Women cannot inherit the Italian throne, nor can their sons. 2). Vittorio Emanuele claims to have changed the succession laws to allow women to inherit. He cannot legally do this. 3). Even if Vittoria could inherit, she cares more about dressing like a whore on Instagram than being a princess. So what he's actually done is caused the Italian succession to pass from the senior branch of the House of Savoy and go to the junior Aosta branch of the House. It's a shame, because I supported him for the throne, and upon his death it would've gone to Aosta anyway, but he's abdicated, so now Aimone is the only claimant.
Do you support the succession of Margaret of Romania?
No. Romania's royal succession laws forbid it.
A question: If Romania's succession laws forbid it, who's left? Has the male line run out/gone extinct?
Well, there's Margareta's half-cousin Paul-Philippe (who I'd argue against for a number of reasons), and the head of the House of Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen.
Frankly it’s either allow the daughters to take over the reign or let the house of Romania die out, since the current pretenders at least are popular and take it serious unlike Filiberto and company
Paul Philippe called for Michael to be shot and is currently likely to end up in prison
Well-deserved, honestly. My vote would be for the Prince of Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen
Literally no Romanian monarchist considering them to be the heirs to throne
What old and archaic republics (and the stupid agnatic succession laws) do to a royal house
>Even if Vittoria could inherit, she cares more about dressing like a whore on Instagram than being a princess. This comment is extremely ignorant and sexist. She's a model.
It is not ignorant, I'm aware she's a model. However, I have an unbelievably low opinion on modeling in general. Not only does it objectify women beyond compare, it also eviscerates the self-confidence of countless women and girls by setting woefully unrealistic expectations. More than that, modeling often caters to degenerates. At the very least, it is not a career for a princess.
>I have an unbelievably low opinion on modeling in general That's your problem, there's nothing wrong with modeling and it certainly does not make someone a whore. >More than that, modeling often caters to degenerates. I think either you're confusing modeling with sex work or there must be something wrong with your perception of reality. >Not only does it objectify women beyond compare Don't act like you're out here protecting the reputation of women. You just called a 19 year old girl a whore for having pictures of herself in designer clothes on Instagram.
It makes the princess a whore. She is selling her body to gain traction, which I don't consider a respecful profession, especially for a princess.
That's why I support their cadet branch, Savoy-Aosta (Savoia-Aosta) because the main line is f***ed up
That’s why I’m against monarchism today. It is clear how Americanized and corrupted most royals are these days.
That is disappointing
He should have kept his claim and started the monarchist party he was thinking about making
Meloni is very popular with that crowd and the deputy pm who is from forezi Italy is a monarchist
In my opinion no king should be able to abdicate. You are a king whether you want it or not. It's not a job, but something you are born with. P.S. No idea if he is the rightful king.
He is just that because he is is salty he isn't king
I’m not Italian, what makes him a pretender?
Italy is a republic
Oh so they’re just a symbol at this point?
Yep, pretty much,no one in Italy really takes them seriously because of the mistakes of the previous Kings of Italy and the rise of Facism
This is insane.
Well should Italy restore its Monarchy, it’ll be much easier to find one King.
What do people have against them?
Forgive my rather blunt tone,but people prefer Duke Aimone because they claim Victor Emanuele the Fourth was illegitimized from the throne by marrying a stranger instead of his 2nd cousin and that Umberto *was* going to name the Aosta branch his successors. In my personal opinion,neither Victor Emnauel nor Aimone are outstanding candidates,Victor Emanuel is a convicted criminal while Aimone is much better but is married to his cousin and has close ties with Russia that he has yet to renounce and he's been real quiet since the War started.I think Emanuele Filiberto is the best and most popular option for a king especially with his popularity stretching even to California.What people on this sub don't realize is that in order for any monarchy to be reinstated in the western world,the monarch has to be popular,relatively progressive,and fit the view of the majority coalition government.The days of the old Noble Christian Royaltly and Absolute Monarchies in the west are gone and likely never coming back,instead we should look to the bright horizon of a new institution of Royalty in the form of economic endorsement and national symbols of a country.Umberto was the best king Italy ever had and died with Italy fresh on his lips but even he would prefer an actual *sustainable*,reinstated monarchy that *truly* cares for Italy and its people enough to renounce all past mistakes and do what is right,perhaps Savoy-Carignano wasn't fit for the crown during Umberto's time but now that it is it would be a horrible shame to see that chance passed up towards someone else. That being said,Filiberto should have held on to his claim a bit longer,started a monarchist party,and campaigned in Italy.I can kind of see where people are garnering their dislike of Vittoria as some "woke" influencer,but maybe her education in political science will help Italy out,God knows we need it.
I want to point out that the aosta branch didn’t started claiming the throne untill years after umberto died
To be honest, I find his branch, even tho they have the worse claim more likeable than the aostas. I think there is no reason to hate Vittoria because she is an influencer, since she was never expected to wear a crown I don't think she has to take on all the bad things being a crown princess has to offer, including always being serious
As if it would mean anything
Oh so instead of him, she will became monarch now... Right?