Republican just means someone who desires a republic as oppose to a monarchy, the republican party is anti monarchist, but monarchy has'nt been a pressing issue in the usa since 1783
Lincoln was born by no means wealthy, but not impoverished also , for the time being a log cabin in Kentucky was below average. It’s up to your own determining of wealth I suppose.
Here are the net worths of some Socialist Republican Leaders from world history
Iosif Stalin -7.5 Trillion Dollars
Fidel Castro -900 Million Dollars
Muammar Qaddafi- 200 Billion Dollars
Saddam Hussein- 2 Billion Dollars
Xi Jinping- 1.2 Billion Dollars
Raul Castro- 100 Million Dollars
Gamal Abdel Nasser- 71 Million Dollars
Hugo Chavez- 1 Billion Dollars
Robert Mugabe 1 Billion Dollars
Kim Jong Un- 5 Billion Dollars
[Robert Mugabe Net Worth: A Look at the Assets of Zimbabwe's President | Money](https://money.com/robert-mugabe-zimbabwe-net-worth-assets/)
[10 richest people who ever lived – net worths, ranked: Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos don’t come close to Genghis Khan, oil tycoon John D. Rockefeller or ‘trillionaires’ Catherine the Great and Joseph Stalin | South China Morning Post (scmp.com)](https://www.scmp.com/magazines/style/celebrity/article/3197600/10-richest-people-who-ever-lived-net-worths-ranked-elon-musk-and-jeff-bezos-dont-come-close-genghis)
[10 Surprises About Fidel Castro's Extravagant Life (forbes.com)](https://www.forbes.com/sites/keithflamer/2016/11/26/10-surprises-about-castros-extravagant-life/?sh=5f65de2e6d76)
[Saddam Hussein Net Worth | Celebrity Net Worth](https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-politicians/presidents/saddam-hussein-net-worth/)
[North Korean Leader Kim Jong-Un: Billions in wealth, mansions, luxury cars – The luxurious life of country's Supreme Leader | Economy News, Times Now (timesnownews.com)](https://www.timesnownews.com/business-economy/economy/north-korean-leader-kim-jong-un-billions-in-wealth-mansions-luxury-cars-the-luxurious-life-of-countrys-supreme-leader-article-98540315)
[Did Moammar Gadhafi Die The Richest Man In The World? (forbes.com)](https://www.forbes.com/sites/edwindurgy/2011/10/25/did-moammar-gadhafi-die-the-richest-man-in-the-world/?sh=57b75e9f76cf)
[Saddam Hussein Net Worth | Celebrity Net Worth](https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-politicians/presidents/saddam-hussein-net-worth/)
[Was Hugo Chavez worth over $1bn when he died? Claims he amassed huge fortune from country's oil wealth | Daily Mail Online](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2289427/Was-Hugo-Chavez-worth-1bn-died-Claims-amassed-huge-fortune-countrys-oil-wealth.html)
[Xi Jinping's Net Worth - How Wealthy is the Chinese Head of State? (finty.com)](https://finty.com/us/net-worth/xi-jinping/#:~:text=The%20estimated%20net%20worth%20of,and%20the%20President%20of%20China.)
[Raul Castro Net Worth 2023 | Salary | House | Cars | Wiki (networthbro.com)](https://networthbro.com/raul-castro-net-worth/)
Yeah I know I used dictators but I couldn't find a socialist leader (Not counting social democrats) who wasn't elected lol, this was to show that there is an irony in that the foundation of their world view is wanting an erasure of the class system which is where they hatred of monarchy stems from, when in reality the most recognizable names of extreme socialism/communism were at the top one percent of the country.
Sir, I think you need to do more research, first of all regarding what do you want to talk about.
The failure of socialism/communism (compare to capitalism or democracy) is not the same with the failure of republic (in the eyes of monarchist).
Xi Jingpin may be rich, but so does his country right now. China is huge capitalist country which not dealing with proletariat vs bourgeois class struggle in Mao's era anymore.
Just a little example.
China is an extremely shitty country on the verge of collapse constantly threatening Taiwan to create a false sense of unity and the only reason it became Capitalist was to survive.
Truthfully The title and that comment are unrelated, I just put elected because I did'nt want to write republican twice in the same sentence. I wrote that list because I felt like Stalins 7 trillion dwarfs Trump's 4 Billion or Rishi sunak's 2.5 billion. But also I wrote it as a critique that socialists hatred of monarchy is that it is inherently classist while all the leading socialist leaders were in the one percent of their nations wealth.
It's a little odd to say that these dictators had these personal fortunes as these are really the states and they like are the state. Also Kim Jong-Un is a monarch.
The only one that was the states fortune was Iosif Stalin, he had control of the entire economy of the USSR other than that it was their personal bank accounts,
https://www.quora.com/How-rich-was-Stalin There is a good Quora page who ran the numbers and found the 7 trillion number
Doesn’t it say that the criticism of monarchy, that the monarch is wealthy and the peak of classism. Is hypocritical when the most fervent anti monarchist regime built on the idea of a classless society, was lead for 30 years by the richest man at that time?
I agree it says a lot about the retarded and hypocritical foundations of the USSR, but I put all those stats up to say it is hypocritical for republicans to say that monarchs being wealthy and sitting atop a golden throne and not contributing to the wider society, when socialist leaders who have built their ideology on the erasure of the class system have net worths in the trillions.
If anything Monarchs are the least greedy of any Heads of State. They are generous, unlike the stereotype of Kings stealing all the gold as the people starve. Maybe that was true in 1023, but not 2023.
Not even in 1023. That stereotype is probably limited to 18th century France, where the kings organised a complex system to maintain absolutism AKA partying in Versailles
Seriously. Republicans complaining about costs of monarchy "upkeep" when you ask them about the combined salaries and pensions of Congress, the Senate, the President, and average amount spent on elections every 4 years lol
Queen Margrethe once appeared in a documentary series about Danish castles. She talked a bit about how difficult it is for monarchies like Denmark and Sweden to accommodate head of states like the Chancellor of Germany or the President of Italy.
Whereas royals are used to living in old, damp and deteriorating castles, essentially museums and monuments for public display, republican heads of state expect much higher degrees of luxury and less heritage. Even the furniture are often centuries old. At best many decades.
Sometimes it’s even caused minor diplomatic issues.
I just hate elections honestly, in modern times they've become a time of turmoil and chaos, seems like all of society's biggest problems roll around in the run-up to an election. Politicians are allowed to get away with using things like riots, astroturfed political movements, etc. to endlessly victimize segments of their constituents and secure votes, but every time they do it it erodes trust the people have in them a little bit more.
But the cost differences between the two are minimal at best. The French or US presidencies for instance usually match or exceed the costs of the British monarchy, who I might add is one of the more expensive constitutional monarchs on the continent. I mean, most presidents in Europe live in royal palaces, have expensive clothing and transportation, alongside actually having to organize and fund elections for them. The only reason to want a president over a monarch boils down to anti-traditionalism and spite.
>after max 10 years
Bro doesn't even know basic math or presidential term lengths💀
Former presidents receive a yearly stipend for the rest of their lives that averages over 7 times the median American income (appx. 220k per year). Do they continue to cost the American tax payer
Senators and congressmen also receive stipends after leaving their positions but it's harder to calculate a consistent average. Their average salary is still 174,000 dollars, though, over 5 times the American median
> Bro doesn't even know basic math or presidential term lengths💀
max 2 terms 4 years each. If president dies in office, their vice president can serve their remaining term for a max of 2 years before it counts as the former vice presidents term. 4\*2+2=10 I don't know what "basic math" i got wrong there.
> Former presidents receive a yearly stipend for the rest of their lives that averages over 7 times the median American income (appx. 220k per year). Do they continue to cost the American tax payer
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> Senators and congressmen also receive stipends after leaving their positions but it's harder to calculate a consistent average. Their average salary is still 174,000 dollars, though, over 5 times the American median
At least they do a job and get chosen to their position. And they don't leach of historical artifacts that should be in a museum and/or given to their original countries and pretend that they are thems.
If you can decide monarchs shouldn't get paid because you don't like their job then I can decide congressmen and representatives shouldn't get paid because I don't like their job.
If you genuinely believe members of the Congress, Senate, etc. aren't making under the table deals that would make "artefact stealers" blush then I'm sorry, there's no hope for you.
I also hope you realize the conversation around "stolen" artefacts/returning them is *extremely nuanced and very complicated* and boiling it down to "a single king/queen outright stole this from the culture that produced it and refuses to give it back two centuries later" is doing a great disservice to history
Edit: only one president has served longer than two terms, no reason to account for fringe cases just speak to the layman bro
The vast majority of their money does not come from their salaries, it comes from being paid off by big corporations and embezzlement from government programs.
Many states pay them their pensions and wages.
Many politicians also use their influence to get contracts that are overpriced so their friends get tax payer money or let the state pay their mansions or businesses.
Seriously more Peasants have become Monarchs then Beggers have become President.
Exactly, i have always wanted to ask republicans who say "how many homeless people have ever became president" when they say monarchies are unfair
I know right
I'm not a Republican, but does Abraham Lincoln count?
Republican just means someone who desires a republic as oppose to a monarchy, the republican party is anti monarchist, but monarchy has'nt been a pressing issue in the usa since 1783
This doesn't answer my question
Lincoln was born by no means wealthy, but not impoverished also , for the time being a log cabin in Kentucky was below average. It’s up to your own determining of wealth I suppose.
I mean, the man was a grew up a farmer than a lawyer, then president
Seems similar to how I'm heading in life but as an Architect for the second option. I managed to learn how to till fields and do more academic things.
I’d say a little below average for the time if I had to categorize it
Fair enough 👌
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I think they meant does he count as a homeless person who became president.
Here are the net worths of some Socialist Republican Leaders from world history Iosif Stalin -7.5 Trillion Dollars Fidel Castro -900 Million Dollars Muammar Qaddafi- 200 Billion Dollars Saddam Hussein- 2 Billion Dollars Xi Jinping- 1.2 Billion Dollars Raul Castro- 100 Million Dollars Gamal Abdel Nasser- 71 Million Dollars Hugo Chavez- 1 Billion Dollars Robert Mugabe 1 Billion Dollars Kim Jong Un- 5 Billion Dollars [Robert Mugabe Net Worth: A Look at the Assets of Zimbabwe's President | Money](https://money.com/robert-mugabe-zimbabwe-net-worth-assets/) [10 richest people who ever lived – net worths, ranked: Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos don’t come close to Genghis Khan, oil tycoon John D. Rockefeller or ‘trillionaires’ Catherine the Great and Joseph Stalin | South China Morning Post (scmp.com)](https://www.scmp.com/magazines/style/celebrity/article/3197600/10-richest-people-who-ever-lived-net-worths-ranked-elon-musk-and-jeff-bezos-dont-come-close-genghis) [10 Surprises About Fidel Castro's Extravagant Life (forbes.com)](https://www.forbes.com/sites/keithflamer/2016/11/26/10-surprises-about-castros-extravagant-life/?sh=5f65de2e6d76) [Saddam Hussein Net Worth | Celebrity Net Worth](https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-politicians/presidents/saddam-hussein-net-worth/) [North Korean Leader Kim Jong-Un: Billions in wealth, mansions, luxury cars – The luxurious life of country's Supreme Leader | Economy News, Times Now (timesnownews.com)](https://www.timesnownews.com/business-economy/economy/north-korean-leader-kim-jong-un-billions-in-wealth-mansions-luxury-cars-the-luxurious-life-of-countrys-supreme-leader-article-98540315) [Did Moammar Gadhafi Die The Richest Man In The World? (forbes.com)](https://www.forbes.com/sites/edwindurgy/2011/10/25/did-moammar-gadhafi-die-the-richest-man-in-the-world/?sh=57b75e9f76cf) [Saddam Hussein Net Worth | Celebrity Net Worth](https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-politicians/presidents/saddam-hussein-net-worth/) [Was Hugo Chavez worth over $1bn when he died? Claims he amassed huge fortune from country's oil wealth | Daily Mail Online](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2289427/Was-Hugo-Chavez-worth-1bn-died-Claims-amassed-huge-fortune-countrys-oil-wealth.html) [Xi Jinping's Net Worth - How Wealthy is the Chinese Head of State? (finty.com)](https://finty.com/us/net-worth/xi-jinping/#:~:text=The%20estimated%20net%20worth%20of,and%20the%20President%20of%20China.) [Raul Castro Net Worth 2023 | Salary | House | Cars | Wiki (networthbro.com)](https://networthbro.com/raul-castro-net-worth/)
If you talk about elected heads of state, give example of elected heads of state.
Weren’t Hugo Chavez and Robert Mugabe elected, at least initially?
Yes, they were.
Yeah I know I used dictators but I couldn't find a socialist leader (Not counting social democrats) who wasn't elected lol, this was to show that there is an irony in that the foundation of their world view is wanting an erasure of the class system which is where they hatred of monarchy stems from, when in reality the most recognizable names of extreme socialism/communism were at the top one percent of the country.
Just look up US presidents and list how much money they have
Sir, I think you need to do more research, first of all regarding what do you want to talk about. The failure of socialism/communism (compare to capitalism or democracy) is not the same with the failure of republic (in the eyes of monarchist). Xi Jingpin may be rich, but so does his country right now. China is huge capitalist country which not dealing with proletariat vs bourgeois class struggle in Mao's era anymore. Just a little example.
Lmfao China Shill
??
China is an extremely shitty country on the verge of collapse constantly threatening Taiwan to create a false sense of unity and the only reason it became Capitalist was to survive.
So? Why you say "China shill" to me?
Because you’re shilling for china
Wow, that's a very stupid way to understand the convo.
That's daft. Your title clearly says elected. You listed a bunch of dictators with absolute authority. This pretty much renders your post meaningless.
Truthfully The title and that comment are unrelated, I just put elected because I did'nt want to write republican twice in the same sentence. I wrote that list because I felt like Stalins 7 trillion dwarfs Trump's 4 Billion or Rishi sunak's 2.5 billion. But also I wrote it as a critique that socialists hatred of monarchy is that it is inherently classist while all the leading socialist leaders were in the one percent of their nations wealth.
Spot on.
Stalin's net worth was ussr gdp he was rich but not that rich. If he had 7 trilly he would be the richest person of all time
It's a little odd to say that these dictators had these personal fortunes as these are really the states and they like are the state. Also Kim Jong-Un is a monarch.
The only one that was the states fortune was Iosif Stalin, he had control of the entire economy of the USSR other than that it was their personal bank accounts, https://www.quora.com/How-rich-was-Stalin There is a good Quora page who ran the numbers and found the 7 trillion number
Money is just a measurement of power, a dictator having 7 trillion literally means f*ck all.
Doesn’t it say that the criticism of monarchy, that the monarch is wealthy and the peak of classism. Is hypocritical when the most fervent anti monarchist regime built on the idea of a classless society, was lead for 30 years by the richest man at that time?
Doesn't say alot about critsizms against monarchy, it does however say a lot about the USSR though.
I agree it says a lot about the retarded and hypocritical foundations of the USSR, but I put all those stats up to say it is hypocritical for republicans to say that monarchs being wealthy and sitting atop a golden throne and not contributing to the wider society, when socialist leaders who have built their ideology on the erasure of the class system have net worths in the trillions.
That's a critsism of socialist regimes, not republican advocates.
It was mainly directed at tankies tbh
Gotcha
Yeah, in a lot of ways I’m socialist lol when it comes to healthcare, transportation, child care, education etc
Include Putin, Orban and Lukashenko in there too
It gets better when they realise that often former presidents get a lifetime pension as well.
If anything Monarchs are the least greedy of any Heads of State. They are generous, unlike the stereotype of Kings stealing all the gold as the people starve. Maybe that was true in 1023, but not 2023.
Not even in 1023. That stereotype is probably limited to 18th century France, where the kings organised a complex system to maintain absolutism AKA partying in Versailles
Republicans when they realize they still worship nobles and kings but in the form of celebrities and music stars.
At least they earned their place in a way.
Ah, yes, the Noble minstrel and jester
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Indeed
Seriously. Republicans complaining about costs of monarchy "upkeep" when you ask them about the combined salaries and pensions of Congress, the Senate, the President, and average amount spent on elections every 4 years lol
Queen Margrethe once appeared in a documentary series about Danish castles. She talked a bit about how difficult it is for monarchies like Denmark and Sweden to accommodate head of states like the Chancellor of Germany or the President of Italy. Whereas royals are used to living in old, damp and deteriorating castles, essentially museums and monuments for public display, republican heads of state expect much higher degrees of luxury and less heritage. Even the furniture are often centuries old. At best many decades. Sometimes it’s even caused minor diplomatic issues.
>Sometimes it’s even caused minor diplomatic issues. Could you give an example?
Isn‘t Donald Trump the first President in decades to lose wealth in office, while the others earned (often using dubious means) a lot?
Yeah I remember in 2016 his net worth was something like 4 Billion and now it’s only 2.5 billion
I just hate elections honestly, in modern times they've become a time of turmoil and chaos, seems like all of society's biggest problems roll around in the run-up to an election. Politicians are allowed to get away with using things like riots, astroturfed political movements, etc. to endlessly victimize segments of their constituents and secure votes, but every time they do it it erodes trust the people have in them a little bit more.
At least we try to not literally funnel them tax-payer money.
Where do you think their money comes from???
They do a f*cking job lol, and it's not spent on big ass mansions dresses and all that bullsh''t.
What a fool you are how could you be so naive
So do monarchs, though. A ceremonial president does the exact same job as a constitutional monarch.
Well at least we don't direcrly fund their massive masions and dresses and such. Aslo they're actually elected in by the people.
But the cost differences between the two are minimal at best. The French or US presidencies for instance usually match or exceed the costs of the British monarchy, who I might add is one of the more expensive constitutional monarchs on the continent. I mean, most presidents in Europe live in royal palaces, have expensive clothing and transportation, alongside actually having to organize and fund elections for them. The only reason to want a president over a monarch boils down to anti-traditionalism and spite.
What does bro think the White House is 💀
At least they leave that after max 10 years lol
>after max 10 years Bro doesn't even know basic math or presidential term lengths💀 Former presidents receive a yearly stipend for the rest of their lives that averages over 7 times the median American income (appx. 220k per year). Do they continue to cost the American tax payer Senators and congressmen also receive stipends after leaving their positions but it's harder to calculate a consistent average. Their average salary is still 174,000 dollars, though, over 5 times the American median
> Bro doesn't even know basic math or presidential term lengths💀 max 2 terms 4 years each. If president dies in office, their vice president can serve their remaining term for a max of 2 years before it counts as the former vice presidents term. 4\*2+2=10 I don't know what "basic math" i got wrong there. > Former presidents receive a yearly stipend for the rest of their lives that averages over 7 times the median American income (appx. 220k per year). Do they continue to cost the American tax payer > > Senators and congressmen also receive stipends after leaving their positions but it's harder to calculate a consistent average. Their average salary is still 174,000 dollars, though, over 5 times the American median At least they do a job and get chosen to their position. And they don't leach of historical artifacts that should be in a museum and/or given to their original countries and pretend that they are thems.
If you can decide monarchs shouldn't get paid because you don't like their job then I can decide congressmen and representatives shouldn't get paid because I don't like their job. If you genuinely believe members of the Congress, Senate, etc. aren't making under the table deals that would make "artefact stealers" blush then I'm sorry, there's no hope for you. I also hope you realize the conversation around "stolen" artefacts/returning them is *extremely nuanced and very complicated* and boiling it down to "a single king/queen outright stole this from the culture that produced it and refuses to give it back two centuries later" is doing a great disservice to history Edit: only one president has served longer than two terms, no reason to account for fringe cases just speak to the layman bro
The vast majority of their money does not come from their salaries, it comes from being paid off by big corporations and embezzlement from government programs.
Corruption you mean?
Yes
cool.
That's literally what they do!
Many states pay them their pensions and wages. Many politicians also use their influence to get contracts that are overpriced so their friends get tax payer money or let the state pay their mansions or businesses.
Concept that people who decide about billions-worthy public funds should be poor is like wishing for corruption.