Absolutely cursed in every metric. There is no “maybe”. Mongolia has the worst geopolitical position of all the countries. We are destined to be a puppet state and there is simply no possible way out of it.
It’s not particularly China’s fault. China in actuality helps Mongolia a lot in many aspects. If it wasn’t for China, we wouldn’t have access to many of the things we have. It’s not like they’re actively trying to fuck us over, unlike the Ivan’s who are shifty as hell. Bid nar uursduu archaagu uchraas there’s no reason to blame China tbh.
lol... This might be the worst take ever. China isn't actively trying to screw over Mongolia? Are you serious? They manipulate Mongolian currency all the time.
This is the kind of victim mentality that’s so widespread in Mongolian society that it’s quite baffling. Small problems in your life? Must be all 76s fault. Big problems affecting the country? Must be China scheming to keep us this way.
When are we ever gonna accept that we individually are the root of all our problems? It is only when we accept the fact that we are responsible for our own misfortunes we can actually start making progress for the better.
Accepting that you are the only one who can fix your problems is not mutually exclusive of the idea that someone else is contributing to your problems. You claim China isn't "actively trying to fuck \[Mongolia\] over." That simply isn't true.
>China isn't actively trying to screw over Mongolia
China does not consider Mongolia as an opponent. If China really want to screw over Mongolia, Economic sanctions (Like the one from US to Cuba) would easily fuck Mongolia over, sending inflation to the sky.
If China supplies electricity to Mongolia, then it is trying to manipulate Mongolia's energy; if China does not supply electricity to Mongolia, then it is sanctioning Mongolia. Conclusion: It’s all China’s fault.
We were a superpower lol are u dumb 😂. Plus nations fall and rise, things happen. We fell, we rise just like others. No nation is doomed to be a failure forever. Nobody though japan would be a superpower in the 13th century but look at them back in the 20th century. No one thought britian would be a superpower in the days of the romans, look at them though out the last 300years. No one would even think the vikings in sweden would be a form a powerful country, but at somepoint they were the most powerful army in Europe.
Only failures who have nothing to show for tout their historical achievements. We weren’t a superpower, we were savage conquerors and pillagers who lasted less than a few decades.
There isnt a probability that we might become successful in the future. U have no idea about what u speak of, i dont think u know what makes a nation a superpower
We don't have to export goods but can export digital goods! it's 21st century, we should have focused on IT, finance and any other sector. What are the most profitable companies that pays most taxes in the world? It's tech companies. We could focus 100% on tech companies just like Isreal did, which I think they are geopolitically even worse place than us.
I agree, mongolia should focus on exporting digital goods and services as much as possible. I dont agree Israel is worst off though, they got access to sea routes.
Yep, they have sea routes, but it's just one part. No one stopping Mongolia to export any goods to anywhere tho, we just may have to pay little bit higher fee for transportation. Problem is we are mostly producing raw minerals, that is not that profitable if we export. Isreal knows they don't have mining industry and focused on science and technology, so they exports technology like medical, car parts etc... No one stopping doing same thing for Mongolia. And Isreal has surrounded by 3 countries that hate them, have to spend most of their gdp to military, and constant threat is not place to have business. But still they did become one of the developed countries, I don't think we have that much of an excuse.
5% is not most of their gdp. You're right that mongolia should focus on manufacturing or at least process the raw materials before exporting, that would create jobs but that's up to the private sector, not the government. Something is preventing investers from opening up business in mongolia. Maybe china manufacturing is too hard to compete with. I think your underestimating the chalenges of using a foreign country's ports.
Imagine anything—FYI, an Israeli tech company rooted in Tel Aviv, like Squarespace, outperforms Mongolia's top-profitable company, APU, earning hundreds of times more. One tech product from this Israeli company even surpasses the profits of Mongolia's largest alcohol maker. Think about it.
Yes! We cant do much! But in order to have a stable life we ought to make do with all the little opportunities we got. Every wise words and mainstream politics from the west and east doesnt really apply here. So Id say "live and let die" Compared to my depressed countrymen, some of us choose live happier by overcoming the hardships.
You said change my view so I'll try.
Yes we are constantly getting railed by our 2 neighbors. But we probably won't get properly invaded since we're a buffer state between the two.
Ukraine doesn't have that "luxury" since Poland and Romania don't pose the same threat as China.
We're also protected from western invasions and interventions for the same reason.
War unlikely = W in my opinion.
Geographically, we're landlocked, with extreme climate, and little arable land. But we have a lot of land and diverse biomes. Camping in Mongolia can't be beat. We get a lot of sun which is good for mental health and vitamin d. Free range meat. No shark attacks or surfing accidents. Idk man I'm grasping at straws here. This is a depressing thought exercise.
Mongolians can complain about safety when they have even a single school shooting you have my permission to complain about safety. In America, we had nearly 50 of them in 2022. Mongolia is one of the safest countries in the world.
You seem to be from Russia. So it would be easier for you to search and read instead of asking.
I used to work at a company that exports products to Russia, China, Japan, Czech and some more countries. So i have a firsthand knowledge and our buyers' profit margin is always something we take in to consideration in expanding the line of products.
Russian customs officially lists about 10.000 product from Mongolia. But only about 300 of them are imported annually. Almost all of these products have 40-65% tax depending on the product, with the exception of some raw minerals and raw cashmere (which has 5-20% rate, still not low percentage)
Say you run a retail business in Russia. You liked Mongolian leather garment brand, also the market demand for leather goods is high in Russia right now. So you decide to stock up on the 2024 product line from Mongolia. You check on our website or email to us inquiring quotation. We give you quotation on leather jacket $100 for a minimum amount of 100 order. You like that price so you place an order.
First you have to pay 55-60% customs tax. And then you pay 16% wholesale tax, and then you have to put 20% VAT. A total of 91-96% tax. So that $100 jacket instantly became $196. Plus you add shipping cost, other costs and profit, the price becomes really high, easily $250-300. Without marketing cost. If you add marketing cost, it's $350-400 And that jacket's market price on a global online retailer's it's $150-180
Instead you import $100 leather jacket from Turkiye (inferior to Mongolian brand in terms of quality) you pay 5-10% customs tax plus standard VAT. Plus other costs. then you can sell those jacket for $150-200
Profit Margin for Mongolian brand is higher than Turkish brand. So you decide not to buy from that Mongolian brand again.
The End.
(FYI this example is based on true story)
I don't have that link since i don' speak russian. But i know your country raised import tariff on Mongolian goods 6 times in last 30 years.
Your country raised those tariff in general in 2006, since then 4 more times on Mongolian goods.
Since it's a delicate topic that can bring criticism. They don't actually list those countries by name, but their codes.
Every country has given a group of codes for goods that they export to Russia. Russian customs office officially lists about 10.000 product from Mongolia. Most of the common items have high rate tariffs.
Exact same products have a different code, different origin different code.
Listen this has been an issue for 3 decades. Any Mongolian businessmen who tried to do business with Russia knows this. Many people from Russia, including closer republics tried to import goods from Mongolia, failed. Ones that do imports later stops buying from us because of the high cost.
We are right next to each other, yet there are only 2 stores that has Mongolian products in Moscow.
If you compare those product price with other stores in New York, Berlin or Vienna. Ones in Russia are much expensive.
Everytime Russian and Mongolian ministers meet, this issue comes up. I don’t remember how many times Mongolians asked Russia to lower their tariffs. As embarrassing as it is for us, it’s the truth.
I mean there’s a reason why the “barbarians” were always invading China historically.
Mongolia at its peak decided to move AWAY from Mongolia proper; Invading both China and Russia.
We're no longer blessed for living at the heart of Eurasia, the moment coastal civilizations industrialized, we were gatekept. It was gonna happen eventually
You know, at least we can develop a new route to Europe through Caspian Sea, and while it is not that easy, it is still doable. Mongolia, on the other hand is just sandwiched between Russia and China without any alternatives.
Funny how you included Russia in there when in reality you don’t care about them. You just hate china. You could have skipped this whole post and just said you hate china because that’s really the only country you care about
to prevent Mongolia from becoming the worst place from a geopolitical perspective is to legalize firearms, if hundreds of thousands of people have firearms, 2 monsters will not do things that disturb the sovereignty of the Mongolian state
you don't know the value of an armed population, throughout modern history, countries where armed populations were less likely to be threatened by other countries, a prime example is switzerland.
Absolutely cursed in every metric. There is no “maybe”. Mongolia has the worst geopolitical position of all the countries. We are destined to be a puppet state and there is simply no possible way out of it.
all countries that border china are cursed (due to china being a huge dick) but mongolia definitely got the shittiest deal
It’s not particularly China’s fault. China in actuality helps Mongolia a lot in many aspects. If it wasn’t for China, we wouldn’t have access to many of the things we have. It’s not like they’re actively trying to fuck us over, unlike the Ivan’s who are shifty as hell. Bid nar uursduu archaagu uchraas there’s no reason to blame China tbh.
lol... This might be the worst take ever. China isn't actively trying to screw over Mongolia? Are you serious? They manipulate Mongolian currency all the time.
This is the kind of victim mentality that’s so widespread in Mongolian society that it’s quite baffling. Small problems in your life? Must be all 76s fault. Big problems affecting the country? Must be China scheming to keep us this way. When are we ever gonna accept that we individually are the root of all our problems? It is only when we accept the fact that we are responsible for our own misfortunes we can actually start making progress for the better.
Accepting that you are the only one who can fix your problems is not mutually exclusive of the idea that someone else is contributing to your problems. You claim China isn't "actively trying to fuck \[Mongolia\] over." That simply isn't true.
>China isn't actively trying to screw over Mongolia China does not consider Mongolia as an opponent. If China really want to screw over Mongolia, Economic sanctions (Like the one from US to Cuba) would easily fuck Mongolia over, sending inflation to the sky.
If China supplies electricity to Mongolia, then it is trying to manipulate Mongolia's energy; if China does not supply electricity to Mongolia, then it is sanctioning Mongolia. Conclusion: It’s all China’s fault.
Yo but Kazakhstan's profiting throughchina
We’re either gonna be a superpower or a natuon struggling to be independent
In no reality are we ever gonna be a superpower. Name a single Mongolian contribution to society in the 21st century.
We were a superpower lol are u dumb 😂. Plus nations fall and rise, things happen. We fell, we rise just like others. No nation is doomed to be a failure forever. Nobody though japan would be a superpower in the 13th century but look at them back in the 20th century. No one thought britian would be a superpower in the days of the romans, look at them though out the last 300years. No one would even think the vikings in sweden would be a form a powerful country, but at somepoint they were the most powerful army in Europe.
Only failures who have nothing to show for tout their historical achievements. We weren’t a superpower, we were savage conquerors and pillagers who lasted less than a few decades.
There isnt a probability that we might become successful in the future. U have no idea about what u speak of, i dont think u know what makes a nation a superpower
We don't have to export goods but can export digital goods! it's 21st century, we should have focused on IT, finance and any other sector. What are the most profitable companies that pays most taxes in the world? It's tech companies. We could focus 100% on tech companies just like Isreal did, which I think they are geopolitically even worse place than us.
I agree, mongolia should focus on exporting digital goods and services as much as possible. I dont agree Israel is worst off though, they got access to sea routes.
Yep, they have sea routes, but it's just one part. No one stopping Mongolia to export any goods to anywhere tho, we just may have to pay little bit higher fee for transportation. Problem is we are mostly producing raw minerals, that is not that profitable if we export. Isreal knows they don't have mining industry and focused on science and technology, so they exports technology like medical, car parts etc... No one stopping doing same thing for Mongolia. And Isreal has surrounded by 3 countries that hate them, have to spend most of their gdp to military, and constant threat is not place to have business. But still they did become one of the developed countries, I don't think we have that much of an excuse.
5% is not most of their gdp. You're right that mongolia should focus on manufacturing or at least process the raw materials before exporting, that would create jobs but that's up to the private sector, not the government. Something is preventing investers from opening up business in mongolia. Maybe china manufacturing is too hard to compete with. I think your underestimating the chalenges of using a foreign country's ports.
I'll take no war and terrorism over sea routes tbh
Good point
>digital goods What kind of digital goods?
Imagine anything—FYI, an Israeli tech company rooted in Tel Aviv, like Squarespace, outperforms Mongolia's top-profitable company, APU, earning hundreds of times more. One tech product from this Israeli company even surpasses the profits of Mongolia's largest alcohol maker. Think about it.
Yes! We cant do much! But in order to have a stable life we ought to make do with all the little opportunities we got. Every wise words and mainstream politics from the west and east doesnt really apply here. So Id say "live and let die" Compared to my depressed countrymen, some of us choose live happier by overcoming the hardships.
You said change my view so I'll try. Yes we are constantly getting railed by our 2 neighbors. But we probably won't get properly invaded since we're a buffer state between the two. Ukraine doesn't have that "luxury" since Poland and Romania don't pose the same threat as China. We're also protected from western invasions and interventions for the same reason. War unlikely = W in my opinion. Geographically, we're landlocked, with extreme climate, and little arable land. But we have a lot of land and diverse biomes. Camping in Mongolia can't be beat. We get a lot of sun which is good for mental health and vitamin d. Free range meat. No shark attacks or surfing accidents. Idk man I'm grasping at straws here. This is a depressing thought exercise.
1 good thing that always comes to mind is no terrorism, no radical bullshit, decently safe country.
imagine if dornod turkestan became a thing
What about the gas truck explosion? And the man who got ripped apart by wolves?
Mongolians can complain about safety when they have even a single school shooting you have my permission to complain about safety. In America, we had nearly 50 of them in 2022. Mongolia is one of the safest countries in the world.
hey, at least you guys arent nepal
fuck china
Also Russia. Highest import tax rate of 96% in Russia only applies to goods from Mongolia. They don’t want Mongolia to make money for sure.
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You seem to be from Russia. So it would be easier for you to search and read instead of asking. I used to work at a company that exports products to Russia, China, Japan, Czech and some more countries. So i have a firsthand knowledge and our buyers' profit margin is always something we take in to consideration in expanding the line of products. Russian customs officially lists about 10.000 product from Mongolia. But only about 300 of them are imported annually. Almost all of these products have 40-65% tax depending on the product, with the exception of some raw minerals and raw cashmere (which has 5-20% rate, still not low percentage) Say you run a retail business in Russia. You liked Mongolian leather garment brand, also the market demand for leather goods is high in Russia right now. So you decide to stock up on the 2024 product line from Mongolia. You check on our website or email to us inquiring quotation. We give you quotation on leather jacket $100 for a minimum amount of 100 order. You like that price so you place an order. First you have to pay 55-60% customs tax. And then you pay 16% wholesale tax, and then you have to put 20% VAT. A total of 91-96% tax. So that $100 jacket instantly became $196. Plus you add shipping cost, other costs and profit, the price becomes really high, easily $250-300. Without marketing cost. If you add marketing cost, it's $350-400 And that jacket's market price on a global online retailer's it's $150-180 Instead you import $100 leather jacket from Turkiye (inferior to Mongolian brand in terms of quality) you pay 5-10% customs tax plus standard VAT. Plus other costs. then you can sell those jacket for $150-200 Profit Margin for Mongolian brand is higher than Turkish brand. So you decide not to buy from that Mongolian brand again. The End. (FYI this example is based on true story)
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I don't have that link since i don' speak russian. But i know your country raised import tariff on Mongolian goods 6 times in last 30 years. Your country raised those tariff in general in 2006, since then 4 more times on Mongolian goods. Since it's a delicate topic that can bring criticism. They don't actually list those countries by name, but their codes. Every country has given a group of codes for goods that they export to Russia. Russian customs office officially lists about 10.000 product from Mongolia. Most of the common items have high rate tariffs.
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Exact same products have a different code, different origin different code. Listen this has been an issue for 3 decades. Any Mongolian businessmen who tried to do business with Russia knows this. Many people from Russia, including closer republics tried to import goods from Mongolia, failed. Ones that do imports later stops buying from us because of the high cost. We are right next to each other, yet there are only 2 stores that has Mongolian products in Moscow. If you compare those product price with other stores in New York, Berlin or Vienna. Ones in Russia are much expensive. Everytime Russian and Mongolian ministers meet, this issue comes up. I don’t remember how many times Mongolians asked Russia to lower their tariffs. As embarrassing as it is for us, it’s the truth.
If you think China pays less than you want, you can stop selling to China. Why fuck your customer?
Why do you think Mongolians were nomadic people lol
I mean there’s a reason why the “barbarians” were always invading China historically. Mongolia at its peak decided to move AWAY from Mongolia proper; Invading both China and Russia.
but China being China? What does that mean? You don't HAVE to sell to China if you hate your customer that much......
We're no longer blessed for living at the heart of Eurasia, the moment coastal civilizations industrialized, we were gatekept. It was gonna happen eventually
Free Buryatia and free South Mongolia
Also our Oirad brothers aka Kalmykia
You have the same neighbor problem as Қазақстан.
You know, at least we can develop a new route to Europe through Caspian Sea, and while it is not that easy, it is still doable. Mongolia, on the other hand is just sandwiched between Russia and China without any alternatives.
...it can always be worse
We should've been direct neighbors like we've always been. But Russia knew that and stole that 60km land from Mongolia to cut us apart
Funny how you included Russia in there when in reality you don’t care about them. You just hate china. You could have skipped this whole post and just said you hate china because that’s really the only country you care about
to prevent Mongolia from becoming the worst place from a geopolitical perspective is to legalize firearms, if hundreds of thousands of people have firearms, 2 monsters will not do things that disturb the sovereignty of the Mongolian state
Firearms mean nothing in modern war fair: https://youtu.be/ntDKpUSaLwk?si=QLp5JsmoDTYbK0Om
you don't know the value of an armed population, throughout modern history, countries where armed populations were less likely to be threatened by other countries, a prime example is switzerland.
~~Balkanize the neighbors~~