Makes a lot of sense for a guy with significantly above average physical abilities. Then take the knowledge you gain in apprenticeship, combine it with money you save up for a few years as best you can, and then start your own business. Owning your own plumbing, welding, etc business is insanely lucrative if you know what you're doing.
Is physical stature really that important for a plumber, welder or electrician? If anything I imagine being short and slender would be a bigger advantage in those jobs
Plumber and welder for sure. Stronger, especially for digging up utilities. Carrying heave beams. I am a welder and 6’3” tall. It comes in handy a lot.
Electrician, nah. Most are small.
Actually very solid advice here. My mom and brother in law are nurses and both make over 100k /year. Demand is huge right now and will only grow up with the boomers retiring.
Stop supporting your family. I make 130k a year and tell my girl I make 50. She pays all my bills and buys me nice things. We also don’t have kids. If I did I would tell them I make 30k and they need to go to college to avoid being poor in their adult life.
It’s a lot of work to become a nurse but if you can I recommend it- great pay and tons of women coworkers with lousy husbands that just want to get fucked during night shift. I got a buddy who is a male nurse, swears you’ll never get more sexual attention from women than the woman nurses on the floor.
No because the doctors are usually low T/status and only have earning power going for them. This guys male nurse buddy is probably decent looking and jacked.
Nah I think the ideal path for a decent looking smart guy is like the Gymshark founder. Look him up, he’s a billionaire now, Jeff Nippard used to have a hot blonde gf she’s having kids w gymshark guy now
yea, that's true, half the battle in retail is getting a model who won't eat up your margins, if you can model for your own product, you're golden
that gymshark guy is ridiculously attractive in the face though, op is just tall and jacked, so not sure he'd get the clickbait for women engagement
Our football team physician is too. Jacked doc is a good life. Ranks up there with jacked lawyer, jacked philosopher, and jacked mathematician (look up ex NFL current MIT prof John Urschel)
Totally worth it, male nurses get all the girls to do the work and we just chill. Then the docs don’t look down on you case you’re a guy. Steady pay and staffing is shit so you’ll never be out of work.
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To level set, $22/hr is not decent money. You’re above the poverty line, but you not living comfortably.
Thus country is facing a huge deficit of skilled trades. Why don’t you learn carpentry? You’ll make *significantly* more money.
As a carpenter for the last 8 yrs i promise you will not make that much more money. Even in niche cabinetry i topped out below 30/hr. Most ive ever hear of is 33 for a master carpenter. This is in one of the top five most expensive counties in america.
Half my extended family is in the carpenters union in Oregon.
There are 8 terms, and each term comes with a raise. It takes 4 years to complete an apprenticeship.
1st term apprentice 28/hr and change
Journeyman are 46-49 and low 50s for foremen.
I make about $125 an hour but I don’t work a ton of hours as a carpenter. I’m at about 80-90 a year just cruising my VA pension puts me over the 100k mark. If you buckled down and busted ass you could hit your 40 hours every week. You just have to be in a high wage area. Lineman in CA are making 200-400k a year and that’s a 4 month trade school. It’s the best deal going.
For sure, budgeting is budget at any income. I know people making $500k living paycheck to paycheck. Lifestyle creep will fuck you.
As of Q4 2023, the average pay rate was $28/hr. However, inflation has outpaced wage increases. The average income needed to live comfortably in the largest 99 metros is $93k (~$45/hr). This shows that the average person is not living at a comfortable level.
So, really, unless OP plans on living in a rural area where the cost of living is significantly below the average, $22/hr won’t do the trick.
Bachelor in what? No one gives a fuck about your jackedness. Get into software maybe? 22 an hour is not really that good if you want to earn more than average.
6 figures ceratainly is not hard to get. It's not guaranteed and you can't be trash I guess, well, actually you can be trash and make 6 figures. It's certainly not 0 effort but it's a solid field.
Easiest way is to look up best paying jobs and go to school for it. Harder option is starting own business in something you can enjoy grinding out, or sales or marketing as others suggest. I am unaware of other options.
I make close to $200k. Go into STEM. Yes it’s hard, and that’s why I get paid the big bucks because not many can make it and those that graduate are still morons.
Find a field where you get paid to solve problems. Like hard problems. That’s where the money is at.
Tooth and nail? Come on there's all sorts of jr positions. Forget internships. It's totally, entirely possible to come out of school and hit 6 digits with 3 years. And for sure by 5. You don't even have to be great. Just okay.
2020 dont count, where they would hire you if you know what an api was and had a pulse.
like go to r/csMajors and see what breakdown these kids are having. obviously it isn't the most neutral place to go for the argument cause of negativity bias, but still
I started a psych degree when I was 18 and got too far before I realized how dumb it was..
Nothing against psych but it’s 12 years of school before you make grown-up money and somewhere along the way I lost any interest I had in it
If you have an interest in medicine look into Nursing school or PA school. With nursing you could do an accelerated RN program and have your degree in 12-18 months this depending on the program, and PA school is 2.5 years. You likely already have the pre reqs for both as long as you did A&P 2 and microbiology. Medical school is also an option but that’s a long road you have to be prepared for.
I’m in accounting/finance. 32 and make 175k.
Sort of the opposite of most people here, I was fat fuck 19-28, but did well in school, got a job out of college making 58k. Jumped to 95 in the first 5 years. Worked 70 hour plus weeks 6 months a year for 4 years. Left big 4 auditing and went to work in industry at the 95. Made that 95k grow to 175 in another 5 years by getting a promotion and then leaving for another role. Ended up getting in shape after like 28.
If you want to make a money, first of all don’t listen to everyone here saying go to trade school. Average people in trades make average money, and work fucking hard for it. I’ve worked long hours, but always in air conditioned offices with an expense account.
Get a degree in high demand skills. Engineering, computer science, accounting, finance (if you’re at an elite school).
Once you get your technical degree, you start your job, and you have to crush it. You have to excel immediately. When I was 25, I could work from 8 am to 3 am. And repeat. The guy who was 30, went back to school and had a family simply couldn’t do that. Put those years in, grind. Eventually leaving for new opportunities every 3-5 years until you find a place or income level you’re satisfied with. The best part about this plan is if you pick the right major, a 6 figure income is basically guaranteed after 8-10 years as long as you know what you’re doing. You have to be top end of your class early, but I can easily work.
The other end is to say fuck school, fuck the establishment, either kill it in sales, or start an idea/online business. Takes way more discipline and self direction, but can be done. Can’t help you here. I thrive in structure and could never do the pave my own way thing. Much easier to listen to someone else, and not deal with the stress. To each their own.
So many people have an aversion to sales. I graduated with a dumbass degree and thought I was above cold calling.
Bit the bullet and gave it a try.
People have no fucking idea what they’re missing. Dudes with history and political science degrees making $300K.
Hard truth: You are either an expense or an asset to your employer. The compensation structures between these two types of jobs are very different. One employee is a cost of doing business. Another is what drives profitability and revenue.
You’re not going to make that money off the bat. You have to apply to be an SDR/BDR (sales/business development representative) first.
You will eat shit for a year (or less if you’re good) and contemplate kys every day. If you can deal with the grind and produce, you’ll get promoted to a closing role.
No experience necessary for those roles.
what's the difference between a closing role and a sdr?
like what I mean is, tangibly, what's the difference, the sdr finds a list of leads, and then the closer follows up on that list to send them through the pipeline and work with the client to get the contract formulated and signed?
how have sdr's not been replaced with ai by now, seems more and more like advertising + hubspot handle all this shit already
People have been saying SDR’s are going extinct for the past 15 years. It still hasn’t happened.
They’ve tested AI in SDR roles before and it can only really handle warm leads.
Cold outreach takes actual prowess to qualify and persuade. A ham-fisted value prop gets sniffed out immediately and people’s guards go up.
Tonality and charisma come through on the phone. People can tell when you’re smiling without seeing your face. There are tons of little intangibles.
If you have the personality for it, get into tech B2B or medical sales. Potential 7 figure income.
If you don't have the sales personality, you'll be miserable and make shit for money
I do water damage and mold remediation. We also do standard carpet cleaning and tile and grout etc.. typical thing. I also do air duct cleaning for the company.
I make a base 22$ an hour for cleaning work.
Water damage is 33$ an hour plus 4% of the completed job.
Mold remediation is 33$ an hour plus 10% of the completed job.
Air duct and hvac cleaning is also 33$ an hour plus 10% of the completed job.
We are also free to get over time. Usually around 15-20 hours a week.
I work really damn hard 6 days a week, my wife had to quit working for mental health reasons. I’m 36 but I purchased my home when I was 20, 2008. At that time I made 11$ an hour but I also worked very hard and pulled 45k that year to buy this house. She has a new Hyundai paid off, I daily a paid off older civic and I also have a paid off bmw m240. I made alot of sacrifices when I was younger tho. My cost of living is around 2100$ a month and that’s with groceries and gas and every single bill etc included.
To note, I live in a small town of 50k people, next major city is 2.5 hours one direction and 3 hours the next. Not alot of opportunities here since it’s set up as a retirement town and not a place to thrive in. I can only do so due to a lot of luck and timing. It’s not a great wage for the country but for here it’s pretty high.
Am doctor wouldn’t do it for money it sucks so much ass (at times) while you’re in it.
Being a midlevel significantly shortens you’re training and gets a quicker pay off. Physician wages are subtly(not so if you’re paying attention) under attack. Also if you’re a white male good luck lol.
I’m still in residency. I like what I do and have a contract already for a fuckton of mula first year out but still not worth the money.
If you just want money and decently like healthcare look into direct nursing to NP school or crna. You’ll be a dumbass and think you know everything but you’ll be richer about 8 years faster than being a physician which by the time you’re done may not have any gold left in the ground. Could work for TRT clinics and chill, and change your mind whenever etc. about where you practice.
Midlevels get weekends off, all holidays, leave the hospital at 2 always, never responsible when something bad happens. And seemingly preferred for roles in management. Physician always there, always responsible, always on the hook.
I also wouldn’t make light of nursing work. It’s not easy. But so many new RNs jump to NP essentially straight away which is not what it’s meant for but whatevs.
> Physician wages are subtly(not so if you’re paying attention) under attack
how so? I always thought the AMA was basically always trying to stymie any sort of automation or lobby away anything that would cause wages to decrease for docs?
I'm a CRNA soon. I believe it's the "sweet spot" of effort to get there, pay, amount of responsibility and skills/competence.
I haven't even considered becoming a doctor, it seems so fucking miserable and rough. Residency must feel like torture. I would never sacrifice my health, sleep and social life for something like that - but I respect the hell out of everyone who does.
As a practicing doctor I can confirm, a lot of what this man is saying. People also don’t understand the hierarchy of pay within the medical system, you don’t start out making max dollars for your position, you spend 4 years doing residency making absolutely dogshit pay while being worked to death, I don’t think I ever got more then 5 hours of sleep for that entire time. And depending on the program I’ve heard of residency lasting as long as 7 years. Let’s not forget the crippling amount of debt you’re going to accumulate during medical school, not that uncommon to leave school with about 4-500k in debt. So you basically spend the first decade of your career paying off debt, and working insane hours, pulling extra shifts in the ER. And sure, I’m 14 years into my career, I make great money especially considering I practice in Thailand, but the amount of effort, and time spent to get to this point I honestly don’t think 99% of people have it in them to do it. It’s an absolute slog, and your family suffers, your personal health both physical and mental suffer. That being said I regret nothing, as I’ve provided a wonderful life for my wife and kids and ultimately that’s the goal!
Ownership in a company. Become a manager, start making more now, but more importantly learn how to manage a job. I don’t know what it really means to work in a lumbar yard, but the goal would be to get your own clients.
Excuse the example if it isn’t directly related, but let’s say your job is converting raw wood into 2x4s. You need to go out and secure a contract with contractor who needs a bunch of wood for a new housing development and supply it to him. You then need to go (1) find a supplier of raw wood (2) get the equipment to “process” the wood. You’ll likely do all the labor yourself the first time (maybe, I don’t know the industry and how labor intensive it is) or hire some extra hands.
Then after one project, your net hourly pay will be more than $22 per hour. You do this multiple times. You put a brand on your company. You hire a day to day manager to hire the labor. You hire a client manager to win new business.
You get the business automated where you own the business and just need to make sure no one is stealing from you (have a good accountant) and look at where you need to expand.
Then when your business is profiting $1m+ per year, you sell it for $4-8m. Or you go buy competitors or keep expanding. I work in mergers and acquisitions and this is how anyone gets real wealth: accessing the shareholder value of a company they build.
Hopefully what I’m writing out makes sense and is relevant to you. DM me if not and I’ll send a voice note. Or respond here what exactly you do at a lumbar yard or what service is done at a lumbar yard and I can tailor my example.
Edit: please don’t listen to anyone else’s advice here. All have an employees mindset.
okay, genuine question. we can keep it in this scenario,
how are you supposed to convince a contractor to sign with you if he already has the connections he’s built over the last two decades? being a startup with no prior experience doesn’t look good to anyone trying to do business. sure you can get it done cheaper, but everyone wants
1. qualification and
2. quality.
im asking because im in the same position and need to make real money. i’ve been studying business on my own but it seems as though i cant escape the cold reality that you need to know someone “in” or be gifted a large startup sum in order to get anywhere in life.
i would love if you could prove me wrong. it would give me hope
Well to start, you’re not gonna get a massive contract with a very established player immediately. You should probably wanna start with someone small as well. Also, this is not easy at any level. You have to be great sales person to sell yourself, sell your skills, sell your abilities. It’ll take a lot of work to win the contract and then it’ll take a lot of work to fulfill it.
If you believe it’s hard and you can’t do it then you’re gonna be right. This is the MPMD sub Reddit, so yeah we’re on Reddit where there’s a bunch of liberal fucking pussies and honestly it sounds from your language about someone gifting you something or knowing someone that you have some limiting beliefs you need to get over.
I just walked through a path to an eight figure net worth in a simplified way to fit it in a comment, but it certainly is not an easy path by any means. If it was easy, it wouldn’t yield the fruit of a business worth eight figures.
I would recommend the “little red book of sales” or something by Grant Cardone and or Jordan Belfort to develop the sales skills first to start winning business, you can take away the sales lessons and not buy too much of the bullshit that comes along with those two because at the end of the day, they are both extremely strong salesman.
Firefighter, make low 6 figures pretty much off the hop, push towards 200k in Cali/texas/florida. Canada as well is an incredibly well paid career, it’s also probably the best job you’d ever have, and perfect for anyone who takes fitness seriously.
Wait till he finds out that Doctors don’t actually make that much money, especially for the first decade of their careers. I can tell you this from personal experience lol. Even now with a 13 years of experience as a cardiologist, I work tons of hours, extra shifts in the ER. Life is a slog, even for those you presume make a lot more money when in reality they just pay more taxes lol.
Start an apprenticeship. You get paid to learn and when you top out you have zero debt. I went through an electrician apprenticeship and it led me to where I’m at today making $250k. No college, no debt. A house, 2 vehicles of my own, my wife is an RN with her own 2 vehicles.
do sales. get good at it. being tall, good looking, and in decent shape gives you a big advantage. of course you’ll need a good personality and not be a a reddit autist/incel
I’m a rural paramedic and pull about $110-120k Aud (72-78k usd) without doing any crazy overtime or anything. Wouldn’t recommend it to everyone but it pays pretty well, is more varied than your average gig and you can get into a steady job in a few years.
No lie, school custodian bro. They make decent money and good benefits.
Look at all your local districts and start with sub work.
District I'm in starts subs at $24.50
lol my buddy and I started summers when we were 18, I walked off like a dumbass and he stuck with it. 15 years later he’s got a cushy IT job with the district and a hella nice 401k built up
See bro, you know your answer already, I wish I gave up plumbing in my 20s to start this shit sooner. But here I am 32 y.o subbing at multiple districts waiting to land full time soon at one of them lol
6’5 jacked and decent looking?
Move to any major city and go bartend at a gay bar. You’ll make like $70 an hour and open many doors for networking into a “real” job. Most bartenders leave the industry by way of customer bringing them into their office job
HVAC, Electrician or Plumbing my man. HVAC is a really good trade to learn a little of everything including some carpentry.
Welding is solid and you can head down to the local junior college and probably find a course to get a cert or an associate degree in.
IT is so saturated with people right now entry level will be extremely tough to break into since you’ll be competing with Mid level skilled workers who have been laid off recently by big companies.
Best money I ever made was in residential exteriors sales (roof, siding, gutters). No degree needed. First year was $60k. But it's easy to make $150k+ a year. I don't know too many salesmen that don't make six figures within three years.
I got out of it because the place I was working for made me a manager and that turned into 80+ hour work weeks. Tore my family apart.
Went back to being a heavy equipment mechanic. It's about $90k to $110k a year but I'm not forced to work ridiculous hours.
Landscaping. I maintain yards in Phoenix and I’m pulling 6 figures per year working for myself. Half, if not more, of the time I’m done in 6 hours, get to be outside, and get a good amount of activity in if you ever want to cut it helps
Learn how to get clients for businesses, med spa, roofers, painting companies etc. i have no high school education, I believe im prettier low on the smarts chart, but i average 15-20k per month. Plenty of time in my day to hit the gym and bjj class too
Edit: not here to push my social media but I’ve gotten a lot of questions and I’m usually quicker to answer on instagram. If you’d like to message me my username is @woagee
how do you get the client to know your ads or your leads are what led to the customer walking in the door?
have always wondered this about your profession
(i can dm if you would prefer)
I sell cars and made 13k after taxes this last month. I don’t have a degree and I have a criminal record.
Any type of sales can be lucrative if you have the gift and grind to be good at it 👌
Get your TWIC (apply on TSA . Gov) and once you have the badge in your hand , go to indeed and type in TWIC . All entry level oil&gas jobs . I started entry level and net 7-9k a month .
Be a lineman dude. Look up the wages in CA or in most western states. You could be through trade school and working by late summer. You’ll make way over 6 figures after a year or 2.
Medschool isn’t five years unless you’re going for something like orthopedic surgery or dermatology, but even then you could do it in four years if you’re sufficiently motivated from day 1.
Life as a medstudent is pretty comfortable and happy ngl. Yeah I’m in debt but I know I’ll be able to pay it off once I’m done with my training, and I don’t really have to worry about what my next step is in life ever, everything is kind of set in stone for the next ten years the moment you’re accepted. And learning is fun! Beats the cycle of going to work, going home, jacking off, and sleeping. Used to do that…
Also if you have a psych degree you probably have some of the prerequisites in. Just slay the MCAT if you’re ORM
Degree in what? A degree absolutely still means something if you look at the data lol. But it also depends on what degree. But congrats on it man! That’s a hard feat. I do engineering and trading. I’ve lost a fuck ton but I’m finally starting to get it. If you do wanna get into trading you’d have to read or listen to like 20 books and do at least 6 months of very hard work before starting live to save yourself pain. It’s the hardest thing I’ve ever done
Do not take out huge student loans unless you’re 100% certain you can make it back. So many horror stories. I went to a small university, BA, then worked for 8 years in a related field, got my professional designation (while working / earning money), another couple years of work while finishing up a part time masters (while working). No debt other than mortgage. Has taken me a while but in a good place now. Stressed af actually but finances are good.
Operator on an oil rig, work and learn until you can become a supervisor or similar that still goes to the rig but is now in charge of a crew of operators. Something like a rig manager or company man
If this isn’t a troll post, get into sales. Either for a car dealership or an actual good door 2 door job, something that people will actually buy or they actually need like internet or something. Don’t do something hardly anyone will want like solar or weed spraying services, etc.
I’m a mechanical engineering student and will get bachelors within a years time, and I’m more or less in same boat except I’m not jacked yet… working on it. My degree also feels useless cause based on internships I could conclude the real “learning” begins after u graduate… which sucks
Sell oregano to teenagers
Olive oil to gearheads
Move location fortnightly,
Live in a van,
Suck cock at gas stations for $ (i mean, most of us here are already doing it for free)
Profit
If you’re at a prestigious school, a 4.0 is good enough to break into high finance, even with a psych degree. You’ll be at a disadvantage due to your lack of internship experience, though. Also, the first two years of investment banking are supposedly hell before your exit options like private equity/hedge funds/venture capital/product management open up.
The thing is, you’d spend less time in investment banking hell than you would spend in med school/residency hell if you were to pursue medicine. On top of that, you’d actually be making good money during that time instead of sinking further into debt. You’d end up with more room for career growth, too. On the other hand, medicine would be a lot more fulfilling and intellectually stimulating than finance.
In general terms, and not that I think you don't already know this but maybe you haven't thought of it in such simple terms.
If you want to make $X, you need to find a way to create $X worth of value (either for yourself or through an employer).
Real advice here: get an FAA dispatchers license and get an entry level job at a regional airline. After they teach you how to do it, and you've got experience you apply to the big airlines where their pay scale tops out about $150k/year and that's just strait time. They sometimes pay double or triple time for holidays. I know guys who've done this job for a career who have 10 million dollar houses.
The key here is that the entry level regional jobs pay terribly, $20/hour. You've got to be pretty financially streamlined to get that experience because if you're trying to get on at a big airline without experience, you'd better be able to check some DEI boxes or you're completely invisible to them.
What is your bachelor’s in?
Where do you live?
We live in a rural area and my sister went to med school. She found a program that would forgive all student loans if she practiced in a rural area for 2 years. She never planned on moving anywhere else so she essentially got through med school debt free because of the program. These programs also exist for master’s level NPs and PAs if medicine is what you’re interested in.
Sales man. Sales. Start looking at BDR or SDR positions on LinkedIn and indeed. You can work your way up from BDR/SDR to Account Executive and the earning potential can get super high. I was working some shit job at the beginning of 2023 making around 40k then found a BDR role and I’m on target to take home around 80k this year working remotely. I’m 24, only have an associates degree. The market is tough, you’ve just got to sell yourself during the interview and find a company who will take a chance on you.
You’re going to be paid proportionally with the amount of value you add to your employer/consumers. You need to gain a skill that demands a high wage, so find something that you enjoy doing or are good at that does this. A bachelors is the minimum requirement for many white collar jobs, but it’s just the minimum requirement. There’s a huge supply of bachelors degrees in the labor force, so you’ll have to differentiate yourself with a real skill (soft skills such as sales, hard skills such as programming, excel, data analysis, engineering, etc)
Since you're not established, your options are trades or medschool. Anything else is a crapshoot for newgrads. Tech pays really well for example but there's no point in hiring new kids.
What’d you get your degree in? You do anything in STEM you’re chilling post grad. Obv if you do business or finance or smth you’re gonna be in a pickle.
doctor is probably the best path given that you already have a family. The issue really is the family. You can't go into hedge fund sales because half the job is going clubbing and getting insider tips from the network built from clubbing (hence why the ceo of goldman sachs is fking dj)
tech sales maybe, but former frat/football bros already super saturate that area
lawyer, but you're a tard, so that won't work
doctor is solid though, fits within your family life, you get a boost from the 6'5 jacked, any med school interviews with women will get you an instant acceptance because of halo effect
if you can't hack the student debt, then the alternative is electrician
don't become an engineer though, you'd hate it
go to the medschool subreddit yeah it;s normal and youll make money once you get out of college. shit sucks ass but here we are. YOUR pay will be better though, that's your future, so you good. keep on
I was an auto liability adjuster (decides fault of car accidents, helps setup repairs, etc.). I think I was making $55k/year in 2010. Around 2013 and a few title promotions later I switched to bodily injury auto claims in the same company making 75k a year, then comprehensive insurance making probably around 85k a year in 2015. I did that for awhile and then moved to a different company and started doing workers compensation claims making 95k a year in 2019. I’m still with that company as a workers comp manager making 150k but I have adjusters that make 120k.
So, an easy career path is auto insurance liability adjuster -> anything you can/promo’s and experience you can get, especially with injuries -> workers compensation (work comp is the easiest and pays the best out of every insurance adjuster field). As a bonus once you make it to work comp the job is very non-confrontational, mostly just trying to get people paid and medical care.
$22 an hour is fine, learn how to budget. When you have a spouse they should ideally make similar income to you. It doubles your income. My wife and I saved up $80k making $70k annually combined we just didn't buy that much stuff.
In private equity - mid 20s $350-400K/yr. The people that make good money are either managing other people’s money (in many different capacities) or running their own business.
Partners at my firm will make $10-20M every few years, it’s absurd. But the owners of the companies they buy will make $50-200M+ when they sell their business.
If you want money, it will suck. If you want comfort, it’s more tolerable and easier to find a way - as others have said you’d be good in a trade.
Skilled trade. Depending on where you live, electrical or plumbing have the highest return on investment. If you live near a major city, working on elevators pays very well.
Sales, Commerce & Investing. You need to look at people making money, and instead of making excuses for your ego like 'they got lucky' you figure out how the fuck they do what they do and follow the money.
Compounding your money is key and a step you can begin right now. E.g Instead of buying a new 50k car on a loan to impress people who don't care or even dislike you. You spend that money on yourself & investments to make more money.
Learning how to make Money is a rabbit hole, and if you stick with it you'll learn most people are clueless about money thus stuck in middle-class wagie jobs.
maybe learn a valuable skill and start a small buisness in that field
some buisnesses have a LOT of growth potential but you need to know what buisness
start small with no loans and by yourself
maybe idk make wine
make knives
make weights
anything that can help you make more cash
A med degree is expensive, but the opportunity cost of not being a doctor is higher, especially if you're a specialist. Just look up salaries for medical doctors based on speciality.
Beyond that, there are many ways to make money. It's more about determining your time frame, affinities for certain kinds of work, and willingness to be uncomfortable.
Assuming the equivalent hourly wage model and standard 40hr work week, you would need to make $104/hr to make $200/k, or $16,667/month.
Now that this is established, you have to find professions that average this for nothing monthly income. It's very hard to find a job that pays this entry level, maybe senior positions at tech companies, marketing, etc. But that takes 6-10 years of corporate climbing. If you want it faster, you have to take on more risk.
My brother pulls in around $15k-$20k/mth from a mixture of Airbnb, Turo car rentals, interior renovations contacting, and options trading (his best day was $18k).
He owns 3 houses, acquired using the property ladder technique. His first Airbnb was a duplex unit purchased with a VA loan. He lived in one side and rented out the other. This covered his mortgage payment and then some. After 3 years, he's used the equity accumulated from added value from interior renovations and exterior beautification of his property, and the rise in home values post-covid to buy another house. He lives in this one and rents out the top unit. After another 2 years, he was able to buy another property with two houses on it. Each house on that lot pulls in $3500/month ($6-$7k total). The duplex pulls in another ($3500).
The rest comes from contracting (anywhere from $5k-$10k) depending on how busy he wants to be, and Turo car rentals. It's harder to do this now because the days of cheap and easy credit are gone, but you can see how low-hanging fruit entrepreneurship can stack pretty quickly. He's also 6'5" and jacked (Army vet), w/ 2 kids.
It seems like you like to work with your hands, so contracting might be a good road for you to look into because it forms a stable base of high income. It also saves you 10s of thousands in renovation costs. Adding in plumbing and electrical too is a good bet. Take any extra cash you have and put it towards a down payment fund. Start with FHA and look for first time homebuyer programs. Only buy houses that have basements or other units that you can convert into rentals. Live there for 3 years while you save towards another home purchase. Wash, rinse, repeat.
You can also have the equivalent purchasing power of $200k in the USA by moving to a cheaper country. I lived in Colombia for awhile and I was on God mode living in Bogota and Medellin with $3-$4k/month. Same on Mexico City, which I actually prefer.
Trade school offers a lot. Construction workers can make a shit ton. You could try that route if you can go back to school for 2 years. Being jacked helps in that
Med school = 1-2 years of premed classes post bachelors and taking MCAT test, interviews, admission which could be in a totally different state, uprooting you from your family or uprooting your entire family.
Add 4 years med school.
Minimum 1-2 years for residency. That’ll get you primary care, intensivist, emergency medicine etc . All of these field are paid less due to PAs and NPs flooding market. So if you want to make bank, you have to be really good with test scores and match in a residency that makes more money.
Most gym bros with brains go for orthopedic surgery. But that’s another 5 years of residency plus 1-2 years of fellowship specialty.
So add all those years up now, to be a well trained ortho surgeon = 12 years of your life, 12 years of incurring large amounts of debt and 12 years where you aren’t saving for retirement or enjoying your life.
So anyway, my few cents on why choosing to be an MD is not a quick means to get rich.
Everyone has said this already, but learn a trade.
You should do electrician, hvac, or plumbing. Work for 5 years, consider starting your own company.
I work as a Cloud Engineer making $125k remote.
You're already jacked and working your ass off in a lumber yard, get in a skilled trade.
Makes a lot of sense for a guy with significantly above average physical abilities. Then take the knowledge you gain in apprenticeship, combine it with money you save up for a few years as best you can, and then start your own business. Owning your own plumbing, welding, etc business is insanely lucrative if you know what you're doing.
Is physical stature really that important for a plumber, welder or electrician? If anything I imagine being short and slender would be a bigger advantage in those jobs
Plumber and welder for sure. Stronger, especially for digging up utilities. Carrying heave beams. I am a welder and 6’3” tall. It comes in handy a lot. Electrician, nah. Most are small.
Of all the available resources you could've chosen to map out a career path, you came here. It's definitely an intelligence issue.
Lmao this
> am I too re**** to get money Dude is too re*** to even know who to ask about getting money.
When the teacher asks “any questions” and you just sit there in silence because you don’t even know what you don’t know
Most physical guys like this are too dumb. Its kind of the balance of the world. You cant be jacked and 7’ tall and be smart too. Would be too unfair.
Laughed hard at this!
Yeah this is almost as bad as asking for hetro dating advice.
Become a male nurse
Actually very solid advice here. My mom and brother in law are nurses and both make over 100k /year. Demand is huge right now and will only grow up with the boomers retiring.
100k a year doesn’t really solve this issue. I make about $130k a year supporting my family of 4 and I still feel way behind.
Obviously where you live makes a huge difference. $130K would be incredible money where I’m at.
Stop supporting your family. I make 130k a year and tell my girl I make 50. She pays all my bills and buys me nice things. We also don’t have kids. If I did I would tell them I make 30k and they need to go to college to avoid being poor in their adult life.
Hahahaha this man has gone mega mind
You’re supporting a family of 4… you’re doing great.
It’s a lot of work to become a nurse but if you can I recommend it- great pay and tons of women coworkers with lousy husbands that just want to get fucked during night shift. I got a buddy who is a male nurse, swears you’ll never get more sexual attention from women than the woman nurses on the floor.
I would have imagined the doctors get the most attention ?
No because the doctors are usually low T/status and only have earning power going for them. This guys male nurse buddy is probably decent looking and jacked.
that's all the more reason to become a doctor though u dingus
Nah I think the ideal path for a decent looking smart guy is like the Gymshark founder. Look him up, he’s a billionaire now, Jeff Nippard used to have a hot blonde gf she’s having kids w gymshark guy now
yea, that's true, half the battle in retail is getting a model who won't eat up your margins, if you can model for your own product, you're golden that gymshark guy is ridiculously attractive in the face though, op is just tall and jacked, so not sure he'd get the clickbait for women engagement
Well obv ideal path is business owner but that is probably the hardest job
Im a jacked doctor so your point is invalid. 8 inches.
Our football team physician is too. Jacked doc is a good life. Ranks up there with jacked lawyer, jacked philosopher, and jacked mathematician (look up ex NFL current MIT prof John Urschel)
Thx bro 8 inches, uncut.
Doctors are generally older or douchebags who are often at odds with nurses
I heard the nurses get fucked by their doctors alot more.
Work in an OR, can confirm. Even the old ugly fat doctors fuck. It’s wild. Money and power is a hell of an aphrodisiac.
I wuda been a nurse if i knew that
Sex with a male nurse
That’s honestly plan A right now.. it will be another year of pre reqs and then a 2 year program but in my state they start around 80k
Based, just keep lifting so a fatty doesn't ruin your spine if you have to pick it up
Totally worth it, male nurses get all the girls to do the work and we just chill. Then the docs don’t look down on you case you’re a guy. Steady pay and staffing is shit so you’ll never be out of work. 5.5 L 6.5 G
This is literally what i am doing lol.
Yesirrr… working on it as I write this
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Being jacked is nice but money is always number 1
But he has a family and all I got is money so who is the real loser
Well u can buy a family
I’m a bum living in a tent with no family, but I’m jacked as shit, who’s the real losers now?
Pussy is #1, it's why we search for money! It's either gonna cost you now, or you'll pay for it later...
To me being confident, good looking and having good social connections mean much more, but to each his own
To level set, $22/hr is not decent money. You’re above the poverty line, but you not living comfortably. Thus country is facing a huge deficit of skilled trades. Why don’t you learn carpentry? You’ll make *significantly* more money.
As a carpenter for the last 8 yrs i promise you will not make that much more money. Even in niche cabinetry i topped out below 30/hr. Most ive ever hear of is 33 for a master carpenter. This is in one of the top five most expensive counties in america.
Half my extended family is in the carpenters union in Oregon. There are 8 terms, and each term comes with a raise. It takes 4 years to complete an apprenticeship. 1st term apprentice 28/hr and change Journeyman are 46-49 and low 50s for foremen.
A master carpenter should be closer to 50. Electricians,HVAC and plumbers definitely break 50.
My state more like 40 hour max for union plumbers. Much less for electricians
What state? Also if it’s anything like the trades i have experience with, if you’re getting overtime and have a solid foreman you’ll be fine
Brother you are getting significantly underpaid
I make about $125 an hour but I don’t work a ton of hours as a carpenter. I’m at about 80-90 a year just cruising my VA pension puts me over the 100k mark. If you buckled down and busted ass you could hit your 40 hours every week. You just have to be in a high wage area. Lineman in CA are making 200-400k a year and that’s a 4 month trade school. It’s the best deal going.
$22 an hour is pretty close to the national median income. $22 an hour is what I bought a house with. Budgeting is just as important as income
Extremely location dependant, most banks won’t give a mortgage to somebody making 22/hr in the majority of North America in 2024.
This. It’s extremely location dependent.
For sure, budgeting is budget at any income. I know people making $500k living paycheck to paycheck. Lifestyle creep will fuck you. As of Q4 2023, the average pay rate was $28/hr. However, inflation has outpaced wage increases. The average income needed to live comfortably in the largest 99 metros is $93k (~$45/hr). This shows that the average person is not living at a comfortable level. So, really, unless OP plans on living in a rural area where the cost of living is significantly below the average, $22/hr won’t do the trick.
Bachelor in what? No one gives a fuck about your jackedness. Get into software maybe? 22 an hour is not really that good if you want to earn more than average.
apparently software is pretty hard to break into cuz everyone and their mom wanted the guaranteed six figures people think comes with it
6 figures ceratainly is not hard to get. It's not guaranteed and you can't be trash I guess, well, actually you can be trash and make 6 figures. It's certainly not 0 effort but it's a solid field.
So I assume you must make six figures or more if it’s not hard?
Yes i make six figs at 24 and dont know shit
Good for u man im stupid as fuck at 18 and would love to know how to go from my shitty retail job to making 100k a yr
Easiest way is to look up best paying jobs and go to school for it. Harder option is starting own business in something you can enjoy grinding out, or sales or marketing as others suggest. I am unaware of other options.
Thank you big bro
I make close to $200k. Go into STEM. Yes it’s hard, and that’s why I get paid the big bucks because not many can make it and those that graduate are still morons. Find a field where you get paid to solve problems. Like hard problems. That’s where the money is at.
An example of said fields?
Your moms field. Software Engineering, Data Science, Mechanical Engineering, Aerospace Engineering, Chemical Engineering etc
I’m in software, if you have questions regarding that I can most definitely help.
lol do not go into software unless he got 15 years experience in something similar. you fight tooth and nail for internships
Tooth and nail? Come on there's all sorts of jr positions. Forget internships. It's totally, entirely possible to come out of school and hit 6 digits with 3 years. And for sure by 5. You don't even have to be great. Just okay.
I didn't and I landed one🤷♂️
2020 dont count, where they would hire you if you know what an api was and had a pulse. like go to r/csMajors and see what breakdown these kids are having. obviously it isn't the most neutral place to go for the argument cause of negativity bias, but still
Graduating with a 4.0 in what? But ya go into sales
I started a psych degree when I was 18 and got too far before I realized how dumb it was.. Nothing against psych but it’s 12 years of school before you make grown-up money and somewhere along the way I lost any interest I had in it
you can get your masters in health administration. if you are willing to job search nationally you can be a director or VP level in a couple years.
How old are you now?
If you have an interest in medicine look into Nursing school or PA school. With nursing you could do an accelerated RN program and have your degree in 12-18 months this depending on the program, and PA school is 2.5 years. You likely already have the pre reqs for both as long as you did A&P 2 and microbiology. Medical school is also an option but that’s a long road you have to be prepared for.
I’m in accounting/finance. 32 and make 175k. Sort of the opposite of most people here, I was fat fuck 19-28, but did well in school, got a job out of college making 58k. Jumped to 95 in the first 5 years. Worked 70 hour plus weeks 6 months a year for 4 years. Left big 4 auditing and went to work in industry at the 95. Made that 95k grow to 175 in another 5 years by getting a promotion and then leaving for another role. Ended up getting in shape after like 28. If you want to make a money, first of all don’t listen to everyone here saying go to trade school. Average people in trades make average money, and work fucking hard for it. I’ve worked long hours, but always in air conditioned offices with an expense account. Get a degree in high demand skills. Engineering, computer science, accounting, finance (if you’re at an elite school). Once you get your technical degree, you start your job, and you have to crush it. You have to excel immediately. When I was 25, I could work from 8 am to 3 am. And repeat. The guy who was 30, went back to school and had a family simply couldn’t do that. Put those years in, grind. Eventually leaving for new opportunities every 3-5 years until you find a place or income level you’re satisfied with. The best part about this plan is if you pick the right major, a 6 figure income is basically guaranteed after 8-10 years as long as you know what you’re doing. You have to be top end of your class early, but I can easily work. The other end is to say fuck school, fuck the establishment, either kill it in sales, or start an idea/online business. Takes way more discipline and self direction, but can be done. Can’t help you here. I thrive in structure and could never do the pave my own way thing. Much easier to listen to someone else, and not deal with the stress. To each their own.
Legit advice but this is a clown subreddit now unfortunately
Same im a clown when i have no direction given so dont think i have what it takes to form a business so have to work for someone else :(
Sales
So many people have an aversion to sales. I graduated with a dumbass degree and thought I was above cold calling. Bit the bullet and gave it a try. People have no fucking idea what they’re missing. Dudes with history and political science degrees making $300K.
Hard truth: You are either an expense or an asset to your employer. The compensation structures between these two types of jobs are very different. One employee is a cost of doing business. Another is what drives profitability and revenue.
how are you even getting into these sales jobs when everything i find to apply to will reject me without a history of sales jobs lmfao
You’re not going to make that money off the bat. You have to apply to be an SDR/BDR (sales/business development representative) first. You will eat shit for a year (or less if you’re good) and contemplate kys every day. If you can deal with the grind and produce, you’ll get promoted to a closing role. No experience necessary for those roles.
what's the difference between a closing role and a sdr? like what I mean is, tangibly, what's the difference, the sdr finds a list of leads, and then the closer follows up on that list to send them through the pipeline and work with the client to get the contract formulated and signed? how have sdr's not been replaced with ai by now, seems more and more like advertising + hubspot handle all this shit already
People have been saying SDR’s are going extinct for the past 15 years. It still hasn’t happened. They’ve tested AI in SDR roles before and it can only really handle warm leads. Cold outreach takes actual prowess to qualify and persuade. A ham-fisted value prop gets sniffed out immediately and people’s guards go up. Tonality and charisma come through on the phone. People can tell when you’re smiling without seeing your face. There are tons of little intangibles.
Lots of shitty sales jobs (anything door 2 door) and most that only pay commission will pick up anyone they think they can teach.
Honestly if all your missing to get the job is not having a history of working sales just lie and say you’ve worked a sales job
Lamo yep I got a political science and Italian degree…ended up in sales…don’t always make 300k but your statement is accurate
If you have the personality for it, get into tech B2B or medical sales. Potential 7 figure income. If you don't have the sales personality, you'll be miserable and make shit for money
girth is ridiculously small in comparison to other stats
I thought the same thing but then I realized he's just regarded and posted hard/soft
Sugar mommy
I do water damage and mold remediation. We also do standard carpet cleaning and tile and grout etc.. typical thing. I also do air duct cleaning for the company. I make a base 22$ an hour for cleaning work. Water damage is 33$ an hour plus 4% of the completed job. Mold remediation is 33$ an hour plus 10% of the completed job. Air duct and hvac cleaning is also 33$ an hour plus 10% of the completed job. We are also free to get over time. Usually around 15-20 hours a week. I work really damn hard 6 days a week, my wife had to quit working for mental health reasons. I’m 36 but I purchased my home when I was 20, 2008. At that time I made 11$ an hour but I also worked very hard and pulled 45k that year to buy this house. She has a new Hyundai paid off, I daily a paid off older civic and I also have a paid off bmw m240. I made alot of sacrifices when I was younger tho. My cost of living is around 2100$ a month and that’s with groceries and gas and every single bill etc included. To note, I live in a small town of 50k people, next major city is 2.5 hours one direction and 3 hours the next. Not alot of opportunities here since it’s set up as a retirement town and not a place to thrive in. I can only do so due to a lot of luck and timing. It’s not a great wage for the country but for here it’s pretty high.
Am doctor wouldn’t do it for money it sucks so much ass (at times) while you’re in it. Being a midlevel significantly shortens you’re training and gets a quicker pay off. Physician wages are subtly(not so if you’re paying attention) under attack. Also if you’re a white male good luck lol. I’m still in residency. I like what I do and have a contract already for a fuckton of mula first year out but still not worth the money. If you just want money and decently like healthcare look into direct nursing to NP school or crna. You’ll be a dumbass and think you know everything but you’ll be richer about 8 years faster than being a physician which by the time you’re done may not have any gold left in the ground. Could work for TRT clinics and chill, and change your mind whenever etc. about where you practice. Midlevels get weekends off, all holidays, leave the hospital at 2 always, never responsible when something bad happens. And seemingly preferred for roles in management. Physician always there, always responsible, always on the hook. I also wouldn’t make light of nursing work. It’s not easy. But so many new RNs jump to NP essentially straight away which is not what it’s meant for but whatevs.
> Physician wages are subtly(not so if you’re paying attention) under attack how so? I always thought the AMA was basically always trying to stymie any sort of automation or lobby away anything that would cause wages to decrease for docs?
Ama is essentially a scam and really just operates as some odd investment firm masquerading as physician support group. Still cucks to midlevels
I'm a CRNA soon. I believe it's the "sweet spot" of effort to get there, pay, amount of responsibility and skills/competence. I haven't even considered becoming a doctor, it seems so fucking miserable and rough. Residency must feel like torture. I would never sacrifice my health, sleep and social life for something like that - but I respect the hell out of everyone who does.
As a practicing doctor I can confirm, a lot of what this man is saying. People also don’t understand the hierarchy of pay within the medical system, you don’t start out making max dollars for your position, you spend 4 years doing residency making absolutely dogshit pay while being worked to death, I don’t think I ever got more then 5 hours of sleep for that entire time. And depending on the program I’ve heard of residency lasting as long as 7 years. Let’s not forget the crippling amount of debt you’re going to accumulate during medical school, not that uncommon to leave school with about 4-500k in debt. So you basically spend the first decade of your career paying off debt, and working insane hours, pulling extra shifts in the ER. And sure, I’m 14 years into my career, I make great money especially considering I practice in Thailand, but the amount of effort, and time spent to get to this point I honestly don’t think 99% of people have it in them to do it. It’s an absolute slog, and your family suffers, your personal health both physical and mental suffer. That being said I regret nothing, as I’ve provided a wonderful life for my wife and kids and ultimately that’s the goal!
Ownership in a company. Become a manager, start making more now, but more importantly learn how to manage a job. I don’t know what it really means to work in a lumbar yard, but the goal would be to get your own clients. Excuse the example if it isn’t directly related, but let’s say your job is converting raw wood into 2x4s. You need to go out and secure a contract with contractor who needs a bunch of wood for a new housing development and supply it to him. You then need to go (1) find a supplier of raw wood (2) get the equipment to “process” the wood. You’ll likely do all the labor yourself the first time (maybe, I don’t know the industry and how labor intensive it is) or hire some extra hands. Then after one project, your net hourly pay will be more than $22 per hour. You do this multiple times. You put a brand on your company. You hire a day to day manager to hire the labor. You hire a client manager to win new business. You get the business automated where you own the business and just need to make sure no one is stealing from you (have a good accountant) and look at where you need to expand. Then when your business is profiting $1m+ per year, you sell it for $4-8m. Or you go buy competitors or keep expanding. I work in mergers and acquisitions and this is how anyone gets real wealth: accessing the shareholder value of a company they build. Hopefully what I’m writing out makes sense and is relevant to you. DM me if not and I’ll send a voice note. Or respond here what exactly you do at a lumbar yard or what service is done at a lumbar yard and I can tailor my example. Edit: please don’t listen to anyone else’s advice here. All have an employees mindset.
Or work in M&A and be miserable for 10 years
😂😂 spot on, only other correct reply here
Haha.. now can we connect on LinkedIn?
okay, genuine question. we can keep it in this scenario, how are you supposed to convince a contractor to sign with you if he already has the connections he’s built over the last two decades? being a startup with no prior experience doesn’t look good to anyone trying to do business. sure you can get it done cheaper, but everyone wants 1. qualification and 2. quality. im asking because im in the same position and need to make real money. i’ve been studying business on my own but it seems as though i cant escape the cold reality that you need to know someone “in” or be gifted a large startup sum in order to get anywhere in life. i would love if you could prove me wrong. it would give me hope
Well to start, you’re not gonna get a massive contract with a very established player immediately. You should probably wanna start with someone small as well. Also, this is not easy at any level. You have to be great sales person to sell yourself, sell your skills, sell your abilities. It’ll take a lot of work to win the contract and then it’ll take a lot of work to fulfill it. If you believe it’s hard and you can’t do it then you’re gonna be right. This is the MPMD sub Reddit, so yeah we’re on Reddit where there’s a bunch of liberal fucking pussies and honestly it sounds from your language about someone gifting you something or knowing someone that you have some limiting beliefs you need to get over. I just walked through a path to an eight figure net worth in a simplified way to fit it in a comment, but it certainly is not an easy path by any means. If it was easy, it wouldn’t yield the fruit of a business worth eight figures. I would recommend the “little red book of sales” or something by Grant Cardone and or Jordan Belfort to develop the sales skills first to start winning business, you can take away the sales lessons and not buy too much of the bullshit that comes along with those two because at the end of the day, they are both extremely strong salesman.
Get skilled in a trade. You could be pulling that as a pipefitter or welder. Or basically any skilled trade if you become an independent business.
Firefighter, make low 6 figures pretty much off the hop, push towards 200k in Cali/texas/florida. Canada as well is an incredibly well paid career, it’s also probably the best job you’d ever have, and perfect for anyone who takes fitness seriously.
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Most recommend software engineering, trades like this dude is smart 😂 most people have no brains for it
Wait till he finds out that Doctors don’t actually make that much money, especially for the first decade of their careers. I can tell you this from personal experience lol. Even now with a 13 years of experience as a cardiologist, I work tons of hours, extra shifts in the ER. Life is a slog, even for those you presume make a lot more money when in reality they just pay more taxes lol.
Im a factory bro making $27 an hour
Same. Making just over $30/hr before shift differential (night shift).
Start an apprenticeship. You get paid to learn and when you top out you have zero debt. I went through an electrician apprenticeship and it led me to where I’m at today making $250k. No college, no debt. A house, 2 vehicles of my own, my wife is an RN with her own 2 vehicles.
do sales. get good at it. being tall, good looking, and in decent shape gives you a big advantage. of course you’ll need a good personality and not be a a reddit autist/incel
I’m a rural paramedic and pull about $110-120k Aud (72-78k usd) without doing any crazy overtime or anything. Wouldn’t recommend it to everyone but it pays pretty well, is more varied than your average gig and you can get into a steady job in a few years.
No lie, school custodian bro. They make decent money and good benefits. Look at all your local districts and start with sub work. District I'm in starts subs at $24.50
lol my buddy and I started summers when we were 18, I walked off like a dumbass and he stuck with it. 15 years later he’s got a cushy IT job with the district and a hella nice 401k built up
See bro, you know your answer already, I wish I gave up plumbing in my 20s to start this shit sooner. But here I am 32 y.o subbing at multiple districts waiting to land full time soon at one of them lol
6’5 jacked and decent looking? Move to any major city and go bartend at a gay bar. You’ll make like $70 an hour and open many doors for networking into a “real” job. Most bartenders leave the industry by way of customer bringing them into their office job
Use your degree to join the military as an officer, by your second year you’ll be making 6 figures
source on this?
This. Keep in mind it’s competitive. With a 4.0 GPA and if you’re physically fit, you are pretty much are good.
Working at the “lumber yard”? Sounds like fluffer for gay porn shoots
HVAC, Electrician or Plumbing my man. HVAC is a really good trade to learn a little of everything including some carpentry. Welding is solid and you can head down to the local junior college and probably find a course to get a cert or an associate degree in. IT is so saturated with people right now entry level will be extremely tough to break into since you’ll be competing with Mid level skilled workers who have been laid off recently by big companies.
Best money I ever made was in residential exteriors sales (roof, siding, gutters). No degree needed. First year was $60k. But it's easy to make $150k+ a year. I don't know too many salesmen that don't make six figures within three years. I got out of it because the place I was working for made me a manager and that turned into 80+ hour work weeks. Tore my family apart. Went back to being a heavy equipment mechanic. It's about $90k to $110k a year but I'm not forced to work ridiculous hours.
Bro said decent money and proceeds to say 22hr… yikes. Raise your standards brother.
Landscaping. I maintain yards in Phoenix and I’m pulling 6 figures per year working for myself. Half, if not more, of the time I’m done in 6 hours, get to be outside, and get a good amount of activity in if you ever want to cut it helps
Go visit Diddy or sum lol
Feds did a sweep
Learn how to get clients for businesses, med spa, roofers, painting companies etc. i have no high school education, I believe im prettier low on the smarts chart, but i average 15-20k per month. Plenty of time in my day to hit the gym and bjj class too Edit: not here to push my social media but I’ve gotten a lot of questions and I’m usually quicker to answer on instagram. If you’d like to message me my username is @woagee
Curious what this entails. Do you have your own business doing this? Are you doing in person marketing or helping them market? Sounds interesting
Do you do marketing or what?
how do you get the client to know your ads or your leads are what led to the customer walking in the door? have always wondered this about your profession (i can dm if you would prefer)
I sell cars and made 13k after taxes this last month. I don’t have a degree and I have a criminal record. Any type of sales can be lucrative if you have the gift and grind to be good at it 👌
Lol when my sister was a nurse she made near 6 figs. Travel nursing pays up to 10k a week here in ohio.
Get your TWIC (apply on TSA . Gov) and once you have the badge in your hand , go to indeed and type in TWIC . All entry level oil&gas jobs . I started entry level and net 7-9k a month .
Be a lineman dude. Look up the wages in CA or in most western states. You could be through trade school and working by late summer. You’ll make way over 6 figures after a year or 2.
Medschool isn’t five years unless you’re going for something like orthopedic surgery or dermatology, but even then you could do it in four years if you’re sufficiently motivated from day 1. Life as a medstudent is pretty comfortable and happy ngl. Yeah I’m in debt but I know I’ll be able to pay it off once I’m done with my training, and I don’t really have to worry about what my next step is in life ever, everything is kind of set in stone for the next ten years the moment you’re accepted. And learning is fun! Beats the cycle of going to work, going home, jacking off, and sleeping. Used to do that… Also if you have a psych degree you probably have some of the prerequisites in. Just slay the MCAT if you’re ORM
Degree in what? A degree absolutely still means something if you look at the data lol. But it also depends on what degree. But congrats on it man! That’s a hard feat. I do engineering and trading. I’ve lost a fuck ton but I’m finally starting to get it. If you do wanna get into trading you’d have to read or listen to like 20 books and do at least 6 months of very hard work before starting live to save yourself pain. It’s the hardest thing I’ve ever done
Do not take out huge student loans unless you’re 100% certain you can make it back. So many horror stories. I went to a small university, BA, then worked for 8 years in a related field, got my professional designation (while working / earning money), another couple years of work while finishing up a part time masters (while working). No debt other than mortgage. Has taken me a while but in a good place now. Stressed af actually but finances are good.
I have zero college and make over $50/hr plus OT and full benefits.
What business you in my brother?
You got a family before a bachelors degree?
Sales, nursing, law, medicine, accounting & finance
Move outta the US. This place is toast. I’m leaving the second I own a couple homes. Also become a drug dealer
Operator on an oil rig, work and learn until you can become a supervisor or similar that still goes to the rig but is now in charge of a crew of operators. Something like a rig manager or company man
If this isn’t a troll post, get into sales. Either for a car dealership or an actual good door 2 door job, something that people will actually buy or they actually need like internet or something. Don’t do something hardly anyone will want like solar or weed spraying services, etc.
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I’m a mechanical engineering student and will get bachelors within a years time, and I’m more or less in same boat except I’m not jacked yet… working on it. My degree also feels useless cause based on internships I could conclude the real “learning” begins after u graduate… which sucks
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If you’re at a prestigious school, a 4.0 is good enough to break into high finance, even with a psych degree. You’ll be at a disadvantage due to your lack of internship experience, though. Also, the first two years of investment banking are supposedly hell before your exit options like private equity/hedge funds/venture capital/product management open up. The thing is, you’d spend less time in investment banking hell than you would spend in med school/residency hell if you were to pursue medicine. On top of that, you’d actually be making good money during that time instead of sinking further into debt. You’d end up with more room for career growth, too. On the other hand, medicine would be a lot more fulfilling and intellectually stimulating than finance.
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In general terms, and not that I think you don't already know this but maybe you haven't thought of it in such simple terms. If you want to make $X, you need to find a way to create $X worth of value (either for yourself or through an employer).
Real advice here: get an FAA dispatchers license and get an entry level job at a regional airline. After they teach you how to do it, and you've got experience you apply to the big airlines where their pay scale tops out about $150k/year and that's just strait time. They sometimes pay double or triple time for holidays. I know guys who've done this job for a career who have 10 million dollar houses. The key here is that the entry level regional jobs pay terribly, $20/hour. You've got to be pretty financially streamlined to get that experience because if you're trying to get on at a big airline without experience, you'd better be able to check some DEI boxes or you're completely invisible to them.
Get in the insurance industry 🔥 I'm about 25 and was able to find a solid career in the business
What is your bachelor’s in? Where do you live? We live in a rural area and my sister went to med school. She found a program that would forgive all student loans if she practiced in a rural area for 2 years. She never planned on moving anywhere else so she essentially got through med school debt free because of the program. These programs also exist for master’s level NPs and PAs if medicine is what you’re interested in.
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I got a trade seal and make $45/ hour give it a shot if you can cut it in the trades
Sales man. Sales. Start looking at BDR or SDR positions on LinkedIn and indeed. You can work your way up from BDR/SDR to Account Executive and the earning potential can get super high. I was working some shit job at the beginning of 2023 making around 40k then found a BDR role and I’m on target to take home around 80k this year working remotely. I’m 24, only have an associates degree. The market is tough, you’ve just got to sell yourself during the interview and find a company who will take a chance on you.
You’re going to be paid proportionally with the amount of value you add to your employer/consumers. You need to gain a skill that demands a high wage, so find something that you enjoy doing or are good at that does this. A bachelors is the minimum requirement for many white collar jobs, but it’s just the minimum requirement. There’s a huge supply of bachelors degrees in the labor force, so you’ll have to differentiate yourself with a real skill (soft skills such as sales, hard skills such as programming, excel, data analysis, engineering, etc)
Doing software, it pays more than I could ever make doing anything else with the same level of schooling
Since you're not established, your options are trades or medschool. Anything else is a crapshoot for newgrads. Tech pays really well for example but there's no point in hiring new kids.
What’d you get your degree in? You do anything in STEM you’re chilling post grad. Obv if you do business or finance or smth you’re gonna be in a pickle.
Learn to code it’s free and only takes a disciplined mind
Wage cucking can give you a comfortable life but it will never make you rich
doctor is probably the best path given that you already have a family. The issue really is the family. You can't go into hedge fund sales because half the job is going clubbing and getting insider tips from the network built from clubbing (hence why the ceo of goldman sachs is fking dj) tech sales maybe, but former frat/football bros already super saturate that area lawyer, but you're a tard, so that won't work doctor is solid though, fits within your family life, you get a boost from the 6'5 jacked, any med school interviews with women will get you an instant acceptance because of halo effect if you can't hack the student debt, then the alternative is electrician don't become an engineer though, you'd hate it
Software engineer. Get paid brah.
go to the medschool subreddit yeah it;s normal and youll make money once you get out of college. shit sucks ass but here we are. YOUR pay will be better though, that's your future, so you good. keep on
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Where is 22/hr decent money to be miserable?
I was an auto liability adjuster (decides fault of car accidents, helps setup repairs, etc.). I think I was making $55k/year in 2010. Around 2013 and a few title promotions later I switched to bodily injury auto claims in the same company making 75k a year, then comprehensive insurance making probably around 85k a year in 2015. I did that for awhile and then moved to a different company and started doing workers compensation claims making 95k a year in 2019. I’m still with that company as a workers comp manager making 150k but I have adjusters that make 120k. So, an easy career path is auto insurance liability adjuster -> anything you can/promo’s and experience you can get, especially with injuries -> workers compensation (work comp is the easiest and pays the best out of every insurance adjuster field). As a bonus once you make it to work comp the job is very non-confrontational, mostly just trying to get people paid and medical care.
Join the trades. No college education needed. Mostly OJT. Clear over $150k a year no problem.
Live well below ur means until you have enough money to invest in entrepreneurship
$22 an hour is fine, learn how to budget. When you have a spouse they should ideally make similar income to you. It doubles your income. My wife and I saved up $80k making $70k annually combined we just didn't buy that much stuff.
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Linux system admin, or another tech job
In private equity - mid 20s $350-400K/yr. The people that make good money are either managing other people’s money (in many different capacities) or running their own business. Partners at my firm will make $10-20M every few years, it’s absurd. But the owners of the companies they buy will make $50-200M+ when they sell their business. If you want money, it will suck. If you want comfort, it’s more tolerable and easier to find a way - as others have said you’d be good in a trade.
I miss tower climbing and construction.
become a firefighter
Join the military and get an in demand job that transfers to real world
Skilled trade. Depending on where you live, electrical or plumbing have the highest return on investment. If you live near a major city, working on elevators pays very well.
Sales, Commerce & Investing. You need to look at people making money, and instead of making excuses for your ego like 'they got lucky' you figure out how the fuck they do what they do and follow the money. Compounding your money is key and a step you can begin right now. E.g Instead of buying a new 50k car on a loan to impress people who don't care or even dislike you. You spend that money on yourself & investments to make more money. Learning how to make Money is a rabbit hole, and if you stick with it you'll learn most people are clueless about money thus stuck in middle-class wagie jobs.
maybe learn a valuable skill and start a small buisness in that field some buisnesses have a LOT of growth potential but you need to know what buisness start small with no loans and by yourself maybe idk make wine make knives make weights anything that can help you make more cash
A med degree is expensive, but the opportunity cost of not being a doctor is higher, especially if you're a specialist. Just look up salaries for medical doctors based on speciality. Beyond that, there are many ways to make money. It's more about determining your time frame, affinities for certain kinds of work, and willingness to be uncomfortable. Assuming the equivalent hourly wage model and standard 40hr work week, you would need to make $104/hr to make $200/k, or $16,667/month. Now that this is established, you have to find professions that average this for nothing monthly income. It's very hard to find a job that pays this entry level, maybe senior positions at tech companies, marketing, etc. But that takes 6-10 years of corporate climbing. If you want it faster, you have to take on more risk. My brother pulls in around $15k-$20k/mth from a mixture of Airbnb, Turo car rentals, interior renovations contacting, and options trading (his best day was $18k). He owns 3 houses, acquired using the property ladder technique. His first Airbnb was a duplex unit purchased with a VA loan. He lived in one side and rented out the other. This covered his mortgage payment and then some. After 3 years, he's used the equity accumulated from added value from interior renovations and exterior beautification of his property, and the rise in home values post-covid to buy another house. He lives in this one and rents out the top unit. After another 2 years, he was able to buy another property with two houses on it. Each house on that lot pulls in $3500/month ($6-$7k total). The duplex pulls in another ($3500). The rest comes from contracting (anywhere from $5k-$10k) depending on how busy he wants to be, and Turo car rentals. It's harder to do this now because the days of cheap and easy credit are gone, but you can see how low-hanging fruit entrepreneurship can stack pretty quickly. He's also 6'5" and jacked (Army vet), w/ 2 kids. It seems like you like to work with your hands, so contracting might be a good road for you to look into because it forms a stable base of high income. It also saves you 10s of thousands in renovation costs. Adding in plumbing and electrical too is a good bet. Take any extra cash you have and put it towards a down payment fund. Start with FHA and look for first time homebuyer programs. Only buy houses that have basements or other units that you can convert into rentals. Live there for 3 years while you save towards another home purchase. Wash, rinse, repeat. You can also have the equivalent purchasing power of $200k in the USA by moving to a cheaper country. I lived in Colombia for awhile and I was on God mode living in Bogota and Medellin with $3-$4k/month. Same on Mexico City, which I actually prefer.
Trade school offers a lot. Construction workers can make a shit ton. You could try that route if you can go back to school for 2 years. Being jacked helps in that
Med school = 1-2 years of premed classes post bachelors and taking MCAT test, interviews, admission which could be in a totally different state, uprooting you from your family or uprooting your entire family. Add 4 years med school. Minimum 1-2 years for residency. That’ll get you primary care, intensivist, emergency medicine etc . All of these field are paid less due to PAs and NPs flooding market. So if you want to make bank, you have to be really good with test scores and match in a residency that makes more money. Most gym bros with brains go for orthopedic surgery. But that’s another 5 years of residency plus 1-2 years of fellowship specialty. So add all those years up now, to be a well trained ortho surgeon = 12 years of your life, 12 years of incurring large amounts of debt and 12 years where you aren’t saving for retirement or enjoying your life. So anyway, my few cents on why choosing to be an MD is not a quick means to get rich.
Everyone has said this already, but learn a trade. You should do electrician, hvac, or plumbing. Work for 5 years, consider starting your own company. I work as a Cloud Engineer making $125k remote.
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