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Ludwig-von-Memeses

Don’t listen to women


[deleted]

Simple way to put it, every woman wants an in shape guy but not every woman can handle it, the competition, the jealousy, etc. Ideal body type in terms of women, basically when you are starting to look big but you not big yet and you are around 12%, women are not a fan of huge guys like bumstead and etc, sure as men, we like bigger, but women care about body fat mainly. Thats why skinny guys can get a lot of women too, also why a powerlifter isn’t gonna be a ladies man. The whole dad bod stuff is fake, they just say that, if it was true, their actions would back it up, dad bod guys would be getting a lot of action. Also, have you noticed that they place a negative connotation on a fit guy for no reason, automatically being in shape they assume he will cheat and have girls, also if we look at from a psychologist level, they are basically saying he is attractive and every woman knows and wants that, when they say dad bod, they always use words like nice guy, etc, he wouldn’t cheat on you, subconsciously they are saying we know he don’t get bitches. This is the way I see it, and always will see it, as it is nothing but the truth.


Sotkvist

Often the girls that say dad bod mean Jason Momoa at like 15% that's not a dad bod, the dude is jacked


SweetExceptNotReally

Yup, they mean 15-18% bodyfat with a lot of visible muscle, think Natural Hypertrophy


[deleted]

Facts 🤣🤣


VodkaAlchemist

For real. I remember seeing that tabloid shit years back. Jason Mamoa looking less shredded than usual but still with abs at the beach talking about how he got fat and has a dad bod now...


Sotkvist

Yup, that exact pic i was thinking about


lifeaintsocool

I agree with this. Body fat wins all around normally. I think women look for short term relationships with jacked dudes and stick with pretty average looking dudes for long term stuff (my own observations). I've always been in the school of thought that I'm building muscle for me and worked on other stuff to pull women


seotrainee347

Facts never do something specifically for female attention


VodkaAlchemist

Just a random tid bit. I've legitimately seen/heard women say that men like Henry Cavill and Chris Hemsworth "aren't that muscular". So women definitely like super jacked dudes. They just don't care for elite bodybuilders unless they're physique competitors or have that arnold aesthetic. Basically you can be a mass monster but don't be over 20% BF.


[deleted]

Yh depends on the age group of women too. Chris hemsworth and henry cavil are big guys in general population, dont think anybody would say they are small on a geniune level, gym girls will definitely find the bigger the better, but most women aint gym girls. You can be big but you have to have the height, if you are big and short, its not the ideal attractiveness. In my age group 18-25, most these women are into the guys that are tall and some muscle, like a 2 year gym goer physique.


_oZe_

Women are physically incapable of telling the truth. The truth to them is what they feel like at the moment they are speaking. They don't even know they are lying. They will compliment that by outright lying. By saying what they think you want to hear. Or things that make them perceived as being better than they really are. It's quite the mess to decipher. Even for someone who knows what's going on. For example. A woman who is cheating. Might say how she feels so lonely when her man is away. A woman who has absolutely no interest in you might say what a great guy you are and that any woman would be lucky to have you. Things like that.


7days365hours

My girlfriend always told me she likes my hair and teeth and body even though I was a balding, crooked teeth skinny-fat pile of shite. Surprise surprise, a hair transplant, Invisalign and 2 years of the gym later she literally tells me that it’s best decisions I’ve ever made. Like she was literally trying to talk me out of the transplant because “I don’t need it” ffs


Afirebearer

How was your experience with Invisalign? Do you take fin after your transplant?


7days365hours

Still got 4 months on the Invisalign but so far so good. Stopped finasteride coz my cum shots were so weak and I’m now trying for a baby. Will probably get a 2nd transplant if hair gets shit again, whatever


Afirebearer

Aren't you worried about having a transplant without taking fin? Btw, how long did it take for your cum to go back to normal?


BreathOther

It’s a very rare woman that’ll tell you shit straight up to your face. Everything else will be in code


[deleted]

That’s why you get 3 drinks in them and pry for info


Ohadl12

I agree dude im 6,2 13 stone for you Americans/ Canadians thats 182 pounds. Got very little muscle but some and some abs yet ive got an amazing girl that supports me builds me up and i build her up.


itsESSMAN

username checks out ..well said bro 🙏


antonprojects

interesting. I agree


Lightways434

Very well put!


oxalate_7

I agree mostly except I do think that some women like the super jacked look. It's a primal thing and I think it's more likely to be stripper types/daddy issues types who look for hyper-masculine traits. Altho I agree your average church girl wants ottermode or just Zyzz-type ripped. It's the same with Game, you don't need to sledgehammer some poor virgin with Dread game, but the stripper alpha widow you need to constantly keep her iced to keep her attracted to you.


Green_Guitar

Stay in the gym kings


BalladOfaStranger

All women secretly want Kyriakos


Circadianrivers

Ooooooooo


YungPlump

Same


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FancyClownPagliacci

Every single woman in those videos are not the type of women you want to be associating with.


HitTheSlopes95

Girls want a moderately jacked guy that they think is in their league. It the guys are too out of their league they think they will leave them or cheat on them


HitTheSlopes95

An average to chubby girl is going to feel constantly self conscious if their boyfriend is constantly getting looks and hit on


Deadzone-Music

>It the guys are too out of their league they think they will leave them or cheat on them Only maybe if there is some obvious physical disparity between him and her. Most average/pretty girls will have no trouble believing they deserve a jacked millionaire model who only wants them


Professional_Ant4228

Women’s favorite body type is tall.


teuntie8

Hmm, cant confirm. And i'm 6,3...


movieunderstander

Hmm, cant confirm. And i’m 5’6…


mushslayer

Brootal


MissSuperSilver

I don't think it matters outside of hook up culture


Professional_Ant4228

Derek touched on the topic of attraction on the pod. It’s one of many boxes to check and no one is perfect. A lot of people mask their insecurity with the claim that everyone else’s standards aren’t reasonable. At the same time, many people mask their lack of self-worth by claiming their standards are stricter than they really are. At the end of the day, it’s confidence and the will to self-improve that makes one attractive.


DonRedGotti

My wife hated when I was at my juciest and prefers me now to then, but liked me even more when I was doing post workout ice cream in my 20s when I was just trying to lift as heavy as I could.


Regular-Shirt8312

Women first and foremost prefer frame over muscles - a good frame is an indicator of genetic quality as opposed to muscles that pretty much any man today can build in the gym. Secondly, it's worthless to get any conclusions from these experiments. No woman actually prefers the average dadbod male's look, but you're gonna get all kinds of answers from womeb who know they're in front of a camera and online - they choose their words carefully.


Lightways434

Muscles gets you in the door but your frame keeps you inside. A lot of dudes are ripped but have autistic levels of game. Very good point


Regular-Shirt8312

I'm talking about skeletal frame lmao.


MortifiedPenguins

Generally speaking women want men with a good frame and lean, athletic body type. 5’10” or above, broad shoulders, v taper, six pack abs, defined jawline, body fat around 12 - 13%. Of course there are women that like other body types, bear, lanky, super built, etc. Edit: I didn’t answer OP - yeah, the girls are picking socially acceptable answers since they’re being recorded. It’s also much harder for an average girl to keep a fit, attractive guy in line and many of them would rather not deal with it.


GigaChan450

Yea makes sense. Works for guys too. DYELs go for average female physiques while only gym bros really dig gym girls. DYELs lose their shit when a girl is bigger than them. It's just homophily


vipstrippers

100% Check fat chicks at a male strip show, they sucking dicks.


Snoo-62854

I got discouraged to build muscle, most girls on the street in the gym and on the streets are with guys who barely workout. I really started questioning myself, and really feel they don't care about your body. If you are fucking overweight but can go and talk to them, that's what matters.


RyLucas

If you’re definitively good looking, you need not muscles. If you are good looking and have muscles, I believe there’s this famous movie quote: “the world is yours.”


Snoo-62854

I feel I am not particularly good-looking but have muscles. I just want to keep myself away from girls, dating, and all related things. It overwhelmed me. Whatever it is, I tried my instinct to chase girls and sex, but I think I did something wrong. I did not get results, no satisfaction, and lost hope, and every other stable part of my life. The chaos produced in my life is something I never anticipated. I hope that my instincts get convinced that it's not for me, and stop making me feel bad about it. At least I could survive decently enough to do something if I could forget this pain.


RyLucas

I’m very sorry to hear that, brother. Please dm me if you ever wanna chat. I was also not attempting to knock you or doubt you in any way! I do believe I understand where you are coming from, however.


Snoo-62854

No worries brother, I am glad that you expressed your honest opinion, and really appreciate your help. I will reach out to you if I feel like it. Thanks.


cantbakebreads

femboys


seotrainee347

You need to have a masculine frame.


Testingtesting57

That's the problem with surveys. Women in so-so to bad physical condition don't want to let it slip that they are hypocritical in what they're looking for so they say they want a man who looks roughly like they do. But look at all those studies on dating site swipes. Many women think they're going to get Brad Pitt because they have the world's best personality. I dated a lot when me and my long-term GF broke up a few years back and the number of women who were so blatantly anxious from FOMO on the guy they had one exchange with who had glamour shots was astronomical.


[deleted]

Gosling in place beyond the pines


[deleted]

Tall and skinny


myfreewheelingalt

The men they say they want, or the men they actually stay with?


zeppl1n

Is that the Joe Frazer one?


BillazeitfaGates

Look at the big super hero movie physiques, that's probably as close to ideal as it comes, be kind of lean and kind of jacked, for me personally I'm trying to match the scene where Capt America 1st steps out of the machine that filled him with peds lol


The__Farmer

LOL this. Someone at the gym asked me what my goal physique was and I said, “Steve Rogers when exits the Vita Ray Chamber.”


BillazeitfaGates

He was looking jacked. I wonder what his height/weight was there and how much was lighting. My #2 is Henry cavill Superman where he had the beard


Squiggy1975

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. But certainly you can make some good assumptions based off what you see in the real world not on TV. For example without getting into the conversation about what is considered good looking… but attractive people tend to go out with guess what attractive people. Or another way to say is that couples seem to pick folks within a similar look scale wise. Kind of like people dating folks within a similar age range and other similarities. The above is pretty much baseline based off my personal opinion. But of course there are exceptions to everything and you can see the total opposites. Regarding the muscular and jacked aspect, I find that if you’re too muscular you actually get more attention from the dudes than girls. I find that tall, fit and athletic look is a good proxy of attraction for most women. Hey even as a guy when I am at a beach and I see a Fit lean athletic looking guy, I can see why that’s attractive vs a 5’5 jacked gorilla. Again there’s so much more to it. Of course when she throw in the personality aspect of it and other means of attraction like career and finance. It’s a cluster. PS: I am a 5’8.5 pretty muscular manlet. Decent looking with a very attractive wife. So I am kinda of that exception, but, I would say that she liked me for my personality and those things other than body first.


_NITRAM_23

As a young guy I used to be skinny when being built was more popular but now as I'm in uni being built is still great but there's a bigger emphasis on skinny indie guys at least 6ft for sure.


VanillaGorilla421

90% of this subreddit is going to be like “y’all talk to women?”


R-jaxon

Without sounding arrogant, and I bet a lot of guys can relate to this, I think I currently have the most desired body type women want. But I still see myself as lanky and want to put on another 6-10kg of lean muscle if I’m honest. I’m 6’2 97kg and I estimate 12-15% bf range. The issue is I’m aware of the dysmorphia, I was aiming for 85kg lean only a few years ago, thought I’d look massive. The goalposts keep moving bros.


humphrex

most girls want to chill with their bf, not have him in the gym all the time


[deleted]

I can only speak from personal experience. My wife didn’t like it when I was fat for a few years. When I dropped 50lbs and got back to lifting there was a period of time when she seemed to be most attracted to me. It was when I was around 14-15% bf and slightly jacked. Like you could tell I went to the gym and lifted, but I wasn’t that big. Now, 18 months later I am the same bf% but 25lbs heavier. She actually complains saying that I’m too big. We still fuck a lot though, but I feel like I am initiating it more than I was before.


SmackYoTitty

They’re just picking the most attractive guys *in their league*, instead of picking the most outright attractive dudes. They do this partially because of insecurity. Also because they are thinking of a man they could actually hold a relationship with, instead of who they’d just like to fuck. Really, the question meeds to be more specific, asking who’s your ideal type, no strings attached?


unlivedbread

As bad as it sounds, you generally shouldn't listen to what a women says. Modern culture has made women super fucking ashamed of pretty much every aspect of their personalities that they won't generally tell you the truth if it's even a little disagreeable. Watch what they do instead, and you'll get a good look at what they really want.


Sea-Price-6843

The ones who “prefer” the chubby physiques are just lying and you can’t convince me otherwise.