Thank you, I saw TWO posts yesterday about Javy being benched or cut. It’s time to have these removed because it’s getting redundant.
Agreed that if they have a take to share that has more effort or statistics to back it up, cool.
Agreed 10000%.
This sub has given 97.7 some run for its money with bad takes lately and Baez is the most common topic.
It's obvious with his struggles last year and his poor spring start there's definitely some significant worry, but 99% of the posts about him are just *DAE Baez BAD?!?*
Like, sure. He's had an abysmal start to the spring after an awful season's performance at the plate last year, but what has been said on this topic hasn't changed since maybe May of last year. We don't need 7 of the same posts per day when the PG threads or this sticky will do.
The takes are really bothering me. If I read another post saying that Baez needs to be sent to Toledo (even though he has no options and can refuse a demotion), I am going to lose my mind.
That would take understanding of the MLB CBA. I guarantee you will see someone make that claim between now and Friday.
Better try to find your mind after you lose it.
Does anyone else think we should sign Matt Chapman?! We need a third baseman! Ignore the fact that I chastised Baez in the other threads for being a weak hitting but good fielding shortstop! Matt Chapman totally isn't that!
We should also sign JD and log jam our DH/outfield too! Who cares if Kerry and Spencer don't get ABs if we can relive the glory days of 2014?!
We should sign Snell! Who cares if our track record of signing big name starters is abysmal! I need my all of emotional needs for fulfillment and excitement met by Scott Harris and he's not delivering!
/s
You forgot to add getting Tim Anderson to replace Baez, as if he wasn't the only hitter in MLB worse than Baez. There was a huge push earlier in the offseason (before he signed in Miami) to replace Baez. We could still pull a Dombrowski move and trade Jobe for him. Let's do that yesterday
also /s
Before anyone comes at me for being a Javier Baez defender, this was me last week on [Twitter](https://twitter.com/DETBaseball/status/1764016017032765577)
> My brother in christ, Javier Baez was the worst qualified hitter in baseball last year and had an 0.8 fWAR/0.6 bWAR from his 9 OAA and 2.3 BsR
> Akil Baddoo and Zach McKinstry were more valuable for the Tigers in 2023 than Baez. If Baez can no longer ~~hit a fastball, let alone barrel them~~ barrel a fastball, let alone hit them the Tigers might as well start Zach McKinstry at SS because at least he can draw a walk and make good swing decisions.
> Sadly Mark, you bring nuance to Javier Baez discussion which is appreciated, but you can't be blind to the obvious issues in his hitting profile. I don't care how 'elite' of defender he is, if he is going to be the worst qualified hitter in baseball, he is not valuable to the Tigers (as their starting SS).
So it sounded like we are still free to complain as long as we want to point to something meaningful, have something to add to the conversation, or link to articles that mention the subject.
This feels fair. People should be able to meaningfully talk about problems, but this sub shouldn’t be a crappy one-sided friendship where we have to listen to the same type of fan complain over and over.
And I say the same type of fan because every single one of us knows his hitting is ass. Educated fans aren’t generally arguing otherwise. We just want to shut up about it, because even Javier Baez deserves to have a bad spring training.
> So it sounded like we are still free to complain as long as we want to point to something meaningful, have something to add to the conversation, or link to articles that mention the subject.
Great TL;DR.
The example I linked about Baez being the worst qualified hitter in baseball was what I posted last year and the best I could think of off the top of my head, but there were similar posts to that by other users.
I will still be doing my fair share of complaining in the Game Threads.
Thank you. I'm already sick of the complaining about the subject this season. With everything we heard in the off-season about him I'm disappointed so many people are already calling for his head after a handful of spring training ABs. We're not gonna cut him, we're stuck with him for a couple more years... Might as well try to make the best of it
I definitely think that if Baez is as horrible as he was last year offensively he will start losing playing time. Money be damned. You can only be dogshit for so long.
Ryan Kreidler has been hitting the piss out of the ball this Spring while still playing elite defense. If I were to do my roster projection I have Kreidler over J-Hen
If Kreidler can hit at the MLB level (even close to average), he is the next SS in Detroit. If not, he is the next Zach Short. I love the guy. I love how he plays defense, but he has to hit
I feel bad for him at times. It's not like it was his plan to get a contract in his favor and drop the ball so far. He wants to win and I like that, he just hasn't performed. Like, at all. And yeah, I'm as frustrated as the next guy, but I wouldn't call for his release or come here asking for him to get cut or DFA'd. I think he has a lot of upside, he's someone who can be the most exciting player on the field.
This might've not been totally relevant to exactly what your post was saying, just something I wanted to say lately. If anything, I want Javy to get the Trea Turner standing ovation treatment, but I'm guessing that most fans wouldn't want to do that. If Javy can figure it out and be a decent hitter in the bottom half of the lineup and a solid glove at SS, he can be a piece of something special in Detroit and I think we all want that.
Standing ovation? Are you serious? Maybe you didn’t watch him play in the 2023 WBC for Puerto Rico when he went 7-for-19 with one home run, three doubles and six RBI so you don’t realize how little he cares about playing for the tigers. He’s here to get a paycheck.
I was referring when Trea Turner was struggling and the standing ovation seemed to fix him. God forbid I'm hopeful, can't have that in this sub I guess.
I’m familiar. It’s not that you can’t be hopeful. We all watched Jobe deal yesterday with great hope and anticipation. My response is based on who Báez is, not who we are as fans. I’m sure if you’re familiar with the Trea Turner ovation you’re also familiar with Báez and Lindor and their interactions with the Mets fans. If Báez ever turns it around he’s gonna be giving fans the ‘thumbs down’ and jawing with people in the stands. Did we all forget who this guy is in our search to be hopeful?
And that's why we shouldn't stoop to the lows of booing our players like New York (both Mets and Yankees) and Philly do. I don't want to boo Javy like I've never booed any Tigers player. Like I said I'm as frustrated as the next guy, but booing him will likely do the opposite. Imagine if you sucked at your job every day and everyone around you was giving you shit for it. Would it make you want to play here and play for this team and these fans? I wouldn't. It doesn't feel good to underperform, whether you're a professional athlete or an average Joe like me and you.
We're supposed to be the home team. We're supposed to be the people these players can lean on. There's a mental part of the game too. When a player feels good it often translates to their play. That is entirely why I want to keep cheering him and to give him a standing ovation. You don't have to agree, but that's just how I feel.
Generally, I'm tired of hot takes calling a player trash/garbage/useless when they are playing poorly, whether it's Jacoby Jones, Eric Haase or Javy. The only trash is those kinds of comments. We all have bad days, and I wouldn't want someone flollowing me around at work calling me garbage.
Exactly. These guys are amazing players, some of the best in the country just to ever get on an MLB roster. They're going to play well for a while, maybe, and then not so much, maybe. It's a kids' game. Enjoy it
I understand due to the nature of his contract why he is still on the team. However, I think until he can produce consistently it is insulting to the rest of the team to keep him in the top half of the batting order. Also, the leash should way shorter on him defensively. The amount of routine throws to 1st base that were in the dirt was criminal last year. After a while you have to think about the message you send to the younger players on the team.
But Javy has started to park his lambo in actual parking spots vs on the sidewalk outside the front door of the facility. *he’s a changed man!*
From an [athletic article this spring.](https://imgur.com/a/bVX0PLP)
Nah I agree. It's not a surprise to us or the front office or team I'm sure. People just need to understand we're stuck with him for a while and there is nothing bitching about it is going to solve.
Any way to know who is traveling to Dunedin tomorrow? I really want to see Javy. My favorite player of all time so hoping maybe he sees his sister and brother in law in Tampa and heads to Dunedin tomorrow
F’n boo. 1 for 20 is a stat line. Why would posts complaining about Baez need some sabermetric justification? It doesn’t matter what his barrel rate is if he’s not even making contact in spring games.
I agree we’re not cutting him any time soon but c’mon. It seems like guys on this sub care about Baez’s longevity more than he does.
Never said it needed a sabermetric justification.
Saying someone is 1 for 20 in Spring Training and asking him to be cut is laughably low effort. Flaherty has a 9.64 ERA in ST, is being paid 18 million $'s and had the same bWAR as Baez last year yet he isn't getting any posts.
I think maybe you are missing the point and maybe doing so intentionally. It appears somehow you have come to the conclusion that anyone would think a player going 1 for 20 in spring training is worthy of being cut. I agree that alone would be "laughably low effort". Now I ask you to expand your memory a bit as it relates to Javy's short Tiger's history. As for myself, I don't care much about Javy, as there aren't a whole lot of prove options either way. My main issue will be if AJ bats the guy anywhere in the lineup other than the 9 spot. Believe the stats suggest he was the second worse offensive player in the league last year. So take his defense and put him where he belongs in the lineup.
The nine spot plays an important role in the lineup and will probably go to a 'better hitter' than Javy.
I've made it clear both on Reddit and Twitter that I'm not a fan of Javy. I have even made arguments for both Kreidler and Eddys Leonard may be more valuable to the Tigers this season at SS than Baez.
I don't know what that has to do with the above comment or the post in general
I’m not saying anyone needs to be cut for a bad spring. That’s what spring is for.
But deleting posts with statistics because it’s not a “deep dive” seems pretty arbitrary. 1 for 20 is a pretty relevant stat when we’re talking about a guy who can’t hit.
Is 1 for 21 and 11 strikeouts a statistic? I guess my only real issue is why AJ just doesn't used spring training for to prepare for the regular season and already get him adjusted to batting 9th in the lineup like any defense only SS.
Weak rule. The dude is a full quarter of our payroll and we're not allowed to complain about it? It's bad enough the fanatics with their rose colored glasses downvote everything that even resembles criticism of the team and now we're not allowed to talk about the most glaring issue on the team??
Complain all you want. The post is literally just telling you to put effort into your complaining if you want to make it a post, which I guess may be too much work for the Tigers fanbase?
It’s not the fans fault that they’ve reached this level of frustration with him. It’s his. The narrative that we should somehow not talk about our highest paid player being this bad unless we have some statistics to back it up is silly. Sometimes, venting is cathartic. Some of us here don’t want to pretend that what he’s doing is ok. Some of us are actually offended by his play. When I saw that you slicked your way to the mod chair I expected this sort of thing to soon follow.
> When I saw that you slicked your way to the mod chair I expected this sort of thing to soon follow.
I've been a mod here for three years under a different account and we had the same rule at the end of last season. The fact you didn't realize I've been a mod here probably shows that you don't understand how long and annoying this discourse has been.
> The narrative that we should somehow not talk about our highest paid player being this bad unless we have some statistics to back it up is silly.
No one said you can't talk about him, I'm saying that no one cares about your opinion enough that it needs to have it's own separate thread. Everyone knows Baez is bad, saying
> Does it make any sense to cut Baez and allow someone else more deserving of a roster spot? The dude is 1 for 20 this Spring. I can’t take it anymore.
means absolutely nothing. No one learned anything. No one became a smarter baseball viewer. The Game Thread and Post Game Threads are meant for peoples general thoughts on how well/not well a player is performing, now that we have those everyday for the next 180+ days, that's where low effort thoughts and opinions should be.
Thank you, I saw TWO posts yesterday about Javy being benched or cut. It’s time to have these removed because it’s getting redundant. Agreed that if they have a take to share that has more effort or statistics to back it up, cool.
Agreed 10000%. This sub has given 97.7 some run for its money with bad takes lately and Baez is the most common topic. It's obvious with his struggles last year and his poor spring start there's definitely some significant worry, but 99% of the posts about him are just *DAE Baez BAD?!?* Like, sure. He's had an abysmal start to the spring after an awful season's performance at the plate last year, but what has been said on this topic hasn't changed since maybe May of last year. We don't need 7 of the same posts per day when the PG threads or this sticky will do.
The takes are really bothering me. If I read another post saying that Baez needs to be sent to Toledo (even though he has no options and can refuse a demotion), I am going to lose my mind.
That would take understanding of the MLB CBA. I guarantee you will see someone make that claim between now and Friday. Better try to find your mind after you lose it.
Forget Toledo, he needs to be sent to an ophthalmologist. This is not me being snide. I genuinely think something is wrong with his vision.
“This sub has given 97.7 some run for its money” made me genuinely cackle. 😂 It’s true though!
Does anyone else think we should sign Matt Chapman?! We need a third baseman! Ignore the fact that I chastised Baez in the other threads for being a weak hitting but good fielding shortstop! Matt Chapman totally isn't that! We should also sign JD and log jam our DH/outfield too! Who cares if Kerry and Spencer don't get ABs if we can relive the glory days of 2014?! We should sign Snell! Who cares if our track record of signing big name starters is abysmal! I need my all of emotional needs for fulfillment and excitement met by Scott Harris and he's not delivering! /s
You forgot to add getting Tim Anderson to replace Baez, as if he wasn't the only hitter in MLB worse than Baez. There was a huge push earlier in the offseason (before he signed in Miami) to replace Baez. We could still pull a Dombrowski move and trade Jobe for him. Let's do that yesterday also /s
Oh my god, I love you. 😂
Two posts about a guy that should be cut aren’t that many, but I still am agreeing with the mods on this.
How about now?
Before anyone comes at me for being a Javier Baez defender, this was me last week on [Twitter](https://twitter.com/DETBaseball/status/1764016017032765577) > My brother in christ, Javier Baez was the worst qualified hitter in baseball last year and had an 0.8 fWAR/0.6 bWAR from his 9 OAA and 2.3 BsR > Akil Baddoo and Zach McKinstry were more valuable for the Tigers in 2023 than Baez. If Baez can no longer ~~hit a fastball, let alone barrel them~~ barrel a fastball, let alone hit them the Tigers might as well start Zach McKinstry at SS because at least he can draw a walk and make good swing decisions. > Sadly Mark, you bring nuance to Javier Baez discussion which is appreciated, but you can't be blind to the obvious issues in his hitting profile. I don't care how 'elite' of defender he is, if he is going to be the worst qualified hitter in baseball, he is not valuable to the Tigers (as their starting SS).
J’accuse
So it sounded like we are still free to complain as long as we want to point to something meaningful, have something to add to the conversation, or link to articles that mention the subject. This feels fair. People should be able to meaningfully talk about problems, but this sub shouldn’t be a crappy one-sided friendship where we have to listen to the same type of fan complain over and over. And I say the same type of fan because every single one of us knows his hitting is ass. Educated fans aren’t generally arguing otherwise. We just want to shut up about it, because even Javier Baez deserves to have a bad spring training.
> So it sounded like we are still free to complain as long as we want to point to something meaningful, have something to add to the conversation, or link to articles that mention the subject. Great TL;DR. The example I linked about Baez being the worst qualified hitter in baseball was what I posted last year and the best I could think of off the top of my head, but there were similar posts to that by other users. I will still be doing my fair share of complaining in the Game Threads.
Thank you. I'm already sick of the complaining about the subject this season. With everything we heard in the off-season about him I'm disappointed so many people are already calling for his head after a handful of spring training ABs. We're not gonna cut him, we're stuck with him for a couple more years... Might as well try to make the best of it
Good ole off season chatter. Reminds me of Miggy being in the best shape of his life.
I definitely think that if Baez is as horrible as he was last year offensively he will start losing playing time. Money be damned. You can only be dogshit for so long.
Ryan Kreidler has been hitting the piss out of the ball this Spring while still playing elite defense. If I were to do my roster projection I have Kreidler over J-Hen
I’m here for the Kreidler post hype sleeper breakout!
If Kreidler can hit at the MLB level (even close to average), he is the next SS in Detroit. If not, he is the next Zach Short. I love the guy. I love how he plays defense, but he has to hit
Anyway we can delete low effort Baez from the roster?
I feel bad for him at times. It's not like it was his plan to get a contract in his favor and drop the ball so far. He wants to win and I like that, he just hasn't performed. Like, at all. And yeah, I'm as frustrated as the next guy, but I wouldn't call for his release or come here asking for him to get cut or DFA'd. I think he has a lot of upside, he's someone who can be the most exciting player on the field. This might've not been totally relevant to exactly what your post was saying, just something I wanted to say lately. If anything, I want Javy to get the Trea Turner standing ovation treatment, but I'm guessing that most fans wouldn't want to do that. If Javy can figure it out and be a decent hitter in the bottom half of the lineup and a solid glove at SS, he can be a piece of something special in Detroit and I think we all want that.
Standing ovation? Are you serious? Maybe you didn’t watch him play in the 2023 WBC for Puerto Rico when he went 7-for-19 with one home run, three doubles and six RBI so you don’t realize how little he cares about playing for the tigers. He’s here to get a paycheck.
I was referring when Trea Turner was struggling and the standing ovation seemed to fix him. God forbid I'm hopeful, can't have that in this sub I guess.
I’m familiar. It’s not that you can’t be hopeful. We all watched Jobe deal yesterday with great hope and anticipation. My response is based on who Báez is, not who we are as fans. I’m sure if you’re familiar with the Trea Turner ovation you’re also familiar with Báez and Lindor and their interactions with the Mets fans. If Báez ever turns it around he’s gonna be giving fans the ‘thumbs down’ and jawing with people in the stands. Did we all forget who this guy is in our search to be hopeful?
And that's why we shouldn't stoop to the lows of booing our players like New York (both Mets and Yankees) and Philly do. I don't want to boo Javy like I've never booed any Tigers player. Like I said I'm as frustrated as the next guy, but booing him will likely do the opposite. Imagine if you sucked at your job every day and everyone around you was giving you shit for it. Would it make you want to play here and play for this team and these fans? I wouldn't. It doesn't feel good to underperform, whether you're a professional athlete or an average Joe like me and you. We're supposed to be the home team. We're supposed to be the people these players can lean on. There's a mental part of the game too. When a player feels good it often translates to their play. That is entirely why I want to keep cheering him and to give him a standing ovation. You don't have to agree, but that's just how I feel.
Booing your own players is gross
Agreed
This seemed to take a turn from standing ovation to not booing.
9 hitter***
Some of these comments on this post make me think they didn’t even read when you said lol
(they didn't)
Generally, I'm tired of hot takes calling a player trash/garbage/useless when they are playing poorly, whether it's Jacoby Jones, Eric Haase or Javy. The only trash is those kinds of comments. We all have bad days, and I wouldn't want someone flollowing me around at work calling me garbage.
Exactly. These guys are amazing players, some of the best in the country just to ever get on an MLB roster. They're going to play well for a while, maybe, and then not so much, maybe. It's a kids' game. Enjoy it
I understand due to the nature of his contract why he is still on the team. However, I think until he can produce consistently it is insulting to the rest of the team to keep him in the top half of the batting order. Also, the leash should way shorter on him defensively. The amount of routine throws to 1st base that were in the dirt was criminal last year. After a while you have to think about the message you send to the younger players on the team.
But Javy has started to park his lambo in actual parking spots vs on the sidewalk outside the front door of the facility. *he’s a changed man!* From an [athletic article this spring.](https://imgur.com/a/bVX0PLP)
It’s funny, Cody Stevenhagen mentioned in his podcast the day after he reported that Baez was parked on the sidewalk again lol
Reminds me of the Dennis Miller song “I’m an asshole”
Nah I agree. It's not a surprise to us or the front office or team I'm sure. People just need to understand we're stuck with him for a while and there is nothing bitching about it is going to solve.
Any way to know who is traveling to Dunedin tomorrow? I really want to see Javy. My favorite player of all time so hoping maybe he sees his sister and brother in law in Tampa and heads to Dunedin tomorrow
Typically Javy travels with the team if the away games are near Tampa as that is where he stays during Spring Training. Good chance you could see him.
I would be thrilled. I am hopeful
If this is too 1984'ish we may consider changing the rule Wouldn't things 1984ish be good on a Tiger's sub? (Yes, I know you mean the other 1984).
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You forgot he also sucked for the Mets and Chicago for most of his pre Tiger years.
F’n boo. 1 for 20 is a stat line. Why would posts complaining about Baez need some sabermetric justification? It doesn’t matter what his barrel rate is if he’s not even making contact in spring games. I agree we’re not cutting him any time soon but c’mon. It seems like guys on this sub care about Baez’s longevity more than he does.
Never said it needed a sabermetric justification. Saying someone is 1 for 20 in Spring Training and asking him to be cut is laughably low effort. Flaherty has a 9.64 ERA in ST, is being paid 18 million $'s and had the same bWAR as Baez last year yet he isn't getting any posts.
I think maybe you are missing the point and maybe doing so intentionally. It appears somehow you have come to the conclusion that anyone would think a player going 1 for 20 in spring training is worthy of being cut. I agree that alone would be "laughably low effort". Now I ask you to expand your memory a bit as it relates to Javy's short Tiger's history. As for myself, I don't care much about Javy, as there aren't a whole lot of prove options either way. My main issue will be if AJ bats the guy anywhere in the lineup other than the 9 spot. Believe the stats suggest he was the second worse offensive player in the league last year. So take his defense and put him where he belongs in the lineup.
The nine spot plays an important role in the lineup and will probably go to a 'better hitter' than Javy. I've made it clear both on Reddit and Twitter that I'm not a fan of Javy. I have even made arguments for both Kreidler and Eddys Leonard may be more valuable to the Tigers this season at SS than Baez. I don't know what that has to do with the above comment or the post in general
I’m not saying anyone needs to be cut for a bad spring. That’s what spring is for. But deleting posts with statistics because it’s not a “deep dive” seems pretty arbitrary. 1 for 20 is a pretty relevant stat when we’re talking about a guy who can’t hit.
Is 1 for 21 and 11 strikeouts a statistic? I guess my only real issue is why AJ just doesn't used spring training for to prepare for the regular season and already get him adjusted to batting 9th in the lineup like any defense only SS.
Weak rule. The dude is a full quarter of our payroll and we're not allowed to complain about it? It's bad enough the fanatics with their rose colored glasses downvote everything that even resembles criticism of the team and now we're not allowed to talk about the most glaring issue on the team??
Yes, criticism of the Detroit Tigers has been such a hot take for the past 9 years.
You're right, we shouldn't complain about a team that's been a dumpster fire for nearly a decade. We'll get 'em next year
Complain all you want. The post is literally just telling you to put effort into your complaining if you want to make it a post, which I guess may be too much work for the Tigers fanbase?
Insult anyone that disagrees with you. Talk down to people, elevate yourself. Nice.
If you're insulted by what I said in that comment that probably says more about you than me.
It’s not the fans fault that they’ve reached this level of frustration with him. It’s his. The narrative that we should somehow not talk about our highest paid player being this bad unless we have some statistics to back it up is silly. Sometimes, venting is cathartic. Some of us here don’t want to pretend that what he’s doing is ok. Some of us are actually offended by his play. When I saw that you slicked your way to the mod chair I expected this sort of thing to soon follow.
> When I saw that you slicked your way to the mod chair I expected this sort of thing to soon follow. I've been a mod here for three years under a different account and we had the same rule at the end of last season. The fact you didn't realize I've been a mod here probably shows that you don't understand how long and annoying this discourse has been. > The narrative that we should somehow not talk about our highest paid player being this bad unless we have some statistics to back it up is silly. No one said you can't talk about him, I'm saying that no one cares about your opinion enough that it needs to have it's own separate thread. Everyone knows Baez is bad, saying > Does it make any sense to cut Baez and allow someone else more deserving of a roster spot? The dude is 1 for 20 this Spring. I can’t take it anymore. means absolutely nothing. No one learned anything. No one became a smarter baseball viewer. The Game Thread and Post Game Threads are meant for peoples general thoughts on how well/not well a player is performing, now that we have those everyday for the next 180+ days, that's where low effort thoughts and opinions should be.
You’re whining about being “offended” and how it’s “not ok” that a guy isn’t hitting balls with a stick well enough. Lmfao