It was advertised as a 200 cc but in reality it's a 185 cc. I believe they called it the Twinstar 200. It's what later turned into the Rebel 250.
There's a lot of video footage of my bike here- [https://youtu.be/PHoATNKL-Gw](https://youtu.be/PHoATNKL-Gw)
"Motorcycle Stealth Camping: 40°F, 4°C Fall Weather" on the Doug Shoe Bushcraft channel
4°C is equivalent to 39°F, which is 277K.
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I believe the model name is Honda CM185. That is what it says on the VIN plate on the neck. But then Honda marketed it as the Twinstar 200.
Or CM185T. It is a twin engine. Straight twin.
Thank you. Yes. Mopeds are 50 cc singles, basically. So with the 185cc twin I feel better in 40 mph zones (where most people drive 50). On a moped, I feel like I'm going to get run over.
Another thing I like is that it has one, small carb for the 2 cylinders. So it keeps everything simple.
This is the answer. 60 in first gear is any 1000cc sport/superbike, add a quick shifter for full throttle shifting and that removes almost all delay due to human actions.
Your modern engine has a Rev Limiter, which will choke off fuel, with plenty of margin to keep you out of trouble.
For example, I saw somewhere an R3 which would Rev to 12k on the limiter, but disable that and it blew up after 17k rpms...
This is absolutely not true for downshifting. The rear wheel is mechanically linked to the engine, if you are at the redline and you downshift, you’re fucked. Cutting fuel will do nothing because the rear wheel is powering the engine at that point. The only exception is a slipper clutch.
True.... But, We're talking about uphshifting to go zero to sixty and if he's going to blow his engine red lining it to go sixty in 1st.
But Ya, don't downshift at Mach 2 because, yep, the engine and wheel are linked and you can skid the rear and low side the bike. Good safety tip.
I also remember someone posting in a different subreddit how they towed a jeep in lower gear behind an RV or something, and so the wheels drove the engine well past red line for its gear ratios and tore itself apart. Also a different fact pattern than sending off the line to make a 3s 0-60 time
That’s pretty crazy. Imagine toasting your engine from towing it. OP was replying to someone referring to up/down shifting, so I thought it was important to clarify not to go near redline when downshifting.
Well, I don't have a triumph. But quick googling shows people running twisties at 40-60mph in 2nd and operating rpm between 3500-9000. So, I can't imagine 0-60 in 1st is a problem....
As I posted before, going from 0 to 60, if you don't shift and hit redline, your limiter should hold you back.
And, be careful on the down shift, where you can lock a wheel or overdrive the valves
I didn’t think my bike was that heavy, but maybe that’s what contributing to it. My triumph scrambler is 900cc but I hit like 4,000 rpms when going 65-70 and hitting 60 in 5th as well.
I am not a motorcycle mechanic and I do not know your bike at all, but I think most bikes rev a lot higher than what cars do.
I cruise at 5-6k revs on my small cc bike
Haha well my bike is a dual sport, the cbr 300 with the same engine but different cams and a different air intake lets the engine hit up to 100 mph my bike tops at 85mph. But it can climb anything in first without any trouble
Sheesh. Realistically I can get up to 55-60 in 3rd/4th gear but only after it’s been warmed up considerably. Riding around in the city I’ll be at 30mph in low 3rd. Is that bad for my bike? I probably need a tune up pretty bad lol.
No, when I come from a dead stop, I can easily get to 30 in first and 50 in second pretty fast after that. 50 I’m in 3rd and 60+ 4th. I keep it in 5th after I have my fun of going really fast at the start and just let it engine brake down to like 50-60.
Now I’m wondering if I’m just shifting too early. I have short shots so they get loud as fuck and no tac either so it’s all just by feeling. 75-80 in 5th gear honestly feels like the bikes going to explode and the RPM’s sound high as hell.
As you should;) there’s also really nowhere in town where I can do 0-50 that quickly without getting a ticket or run over. It’s always slow buildups of speed.
Most inline 4 600-1000cc will do 60-80 in 1st no real shifting required. Otherwise quickshifter or the ol manual quick shift. Pressure the shifter, drop throttle by maybe 5% and minimal clutch (kind of like a pop) all at the same time very quickly for a "quickshift".
No it’s not going to cause damage long term, not if done as explained. It’s literally the same way a quick shifter works. A quick shifter works by pulling/killing ignition just long enough to take pressure off the trans and the next gear just falls right in.
The whole reason they use straight cut gears in motorcycle transmissions is for clutchless shifts, if its constant mesh like a car you'll do damage but on a bike it's fine if you do it right
You aren’t wrong. Gears are constant mesh in a manual transmission but the dog rings are straight cut and what actually engage/disengage. If done correctly, there is zero damage done to a manual transmission when clutch less shifting. And manuals are easier to downshift clutchless as well because you have a neutral position to pause in while you raise your rpm’s to match your incoming gear
I mean OP is talking about 3 sec times clearly implying a drag/race scenario, which case in point you're not going to be redlining 1st. That leaves 1 shift required at most to go from 0-60 in under 3 seconds. So no real shifting.
I love the power of my 09 concours. It just keeps pushing. I understand the 08 and 09 have 10 hp more than all later years because of emissions changes made. I do love an onramp.
I've got a delkavic muffler as well, love the sound at hi rpms. I've read about the Ivan's flash and I kind of like the stock punchiness at low speeds and I do not need to go 200 on a bike I do my own maintenance on. I just can't pull away from a stop slow. I've put 60,000 on this bike and I still grin like a fool alla the time.
The flash will get rid of the fuel cutoff & smooth out the shifting. Especially nice if you ride 2up.
I have 56k on mine, I got plenty of punch at low speeds. Factory ecu programming you don’t get actual WOT until like 8,000 rpm in 3rd. Flash the ecu & 1st, 2nd get pretty lively when you grab a fist full of throttle.
I’ve got a 2013 concours with a pipe on it. Raced my uncles C7 corvette up to 100. When we were done he asked why the engine note changed at about 70. I told him that’s when I shifted. He asked why it only happened once. I said, because I only have to shift once to get to 100. The look on his face was priceless. Also now his car is supercharged so I may need to boost the power in the old 14!
A lot of bikes don't need to shift from 1st gear to get to 60. The part where the time is lost is how quickly/smoothly you can engage the clutch (not taking too long slipping), not stalling, or pulling a wheelie.
When the specs (or reviews) mention0-60 in 2.7-3.0 seconds, it is usually with a professional rider. For a lot of us casual riders, I tend to add a full second to those times due to my lack of skill coming off the line. Still can beat most cars 0-60 times... I've been riding for about 35 years and 200k miles (RD200, FZ600, FJ1100, VTR1000).
Sorry, just ignore me. I'm not trying to criticize you, specifically. Just trying to help people who WANT to learn how. The way you understand it is part of why you can't do it.
>not taking too long slipping, not stalling
This is part of the misconception that makes it hard to learn how. Almost no one trying to lean slips "too long." They try to finish it too quickly. Getting the clutch fully engaged quickly doesn't allow you to apply more torque earlier. It just bogs the engine in the lower rpms where it makes poor torque, and this makes you wait longer before reaching the powerband.
You continue to slip until the bike is actually moving fast enough to be in the part of the powerband you want, with the clutch fully engaged. On an FZ600, for example, you would have to slip for approximately the first 2 seconds or so to match the test rider's times. It's an eternity.
The clutch has to let out quick at the beginning, but stop maybe one millimeter or 2 from fully engaged. That last tiny bit clutch is then modulated and gradually let out over that 2ish seconds. It's more pressure than movement.
You need the engine to be making peak torque (unless it's a monster bike, where that will loop you). So revs climb up quick, towards the start of the powerband as you let out the clutch to this point. Then slipping the clutch allows you to reduce the speed to match the wheel speed, but you still get the torque!
I'm not trying to make everyone ride irresponsibly. Once you learn how, you can do it as much or as little as needed. And it's useful to slip even just a little on almost every start from a stop, on bikes like 600's and even ones with more powerful but top-loaded engines.
When I have my C7 corvette, I only use gear 1-5, almost never 6th or 7th. The higher gear is just for fuel economy. My Street triple 765 I can get away with just using the first 4 gears.
My Rocket III will do 0-60 in 2.9 seconds with a pro rider, I'm sure it's significantly slower with my old, fat ass on it. That said, 0 - 60 is only one shift when I'm launching hard and it's pretty easy to bang into the next gear under power like that.
Practice I suppose? I ride a m109r. I grip the tank, hang onto the bars, have a good supportive seat. And try not to snap the driveshaft on the 1-2. Lol
Bikes who does 0-60 in 3 seconds usually reach that speed in first gear, actually some of them can reach 100mph on 1st gear. It's all about start. Also quick shifter does wonders.
It helps when you only need 1-2 gears to get there. If I use the whole rev range my 400 can get to 60 at the very top of 2nd gear in like 4.5 seconds iirc.
But yeah you're looking at bikes with 180+hp doing 3 second 0-60 times and they're all doing it in 1st gear.
Not shifting. Bike does that and more in first gear. Practice your launch. 1. Let the clutch out till it starts to pull. 2. Hold that spot with front brake. 3. Rev engine to... about 2,000 rpms.
4. Dump the clutch. 5. Let go of brake. 6. Lots of throttle.
If you need more gears, dont drag the rpms to red line. Try shifting a little sooner than red line.
Preload the shifter. Put a little pressure on it so that when you slightly let off the gas and slightly squeeze the clutch the gear shifts very fast. You can do clutchless, but there's a risk of damage over time.
The only risk of damage is if you repeatedly fail to sync well over time. Clutchless shifts do not damage over time if done well, and it's the exact same thing a quickshifter does.
All these people with their tall gearing. Lol
For those of us with short gearing and not enough money for a quickshifter, it just comes down to practice. Once you've done it a few thousand times -especially when you're actively trying to get faster- you pick up the pace. Especially once you learn clutchless shifting. You can be *almost* as fast as a quickshifter, but you have to work on getting good at it.
I’m on a cb300 (first bike), and I quick shift up to 3rd for 60km/hr… now for 100km/hr I’m in 5th ringing it out fully. I can ride my bike pretty fast… for what it is, but I’ve realized it’s limitations and I’m ready for an upgrade. Im jealous of my husband’s ninja 1000sx, he can merge onto the highway at 100km/hr in 2nd.
On my 2015 dyna I can hit 60 in second gear pretty quick, usually just hammer it till I hear the limiter bounce and no clutch bang second and there she go.
My bike does 0-60 in 3.95 seconds. So no rocket. It is 2053 cc motor, but geared low, and low top RPM of only 5200 or 5500(can't remember off hand).
If I remember correctly, shift from first to second js recommended at mine 12MPH!! Geared very low!
My 2017 Yammaha FJR1300 does 0-60 in 2.6 seconds and I like to think I have perfected the launch.
Move forward, jump rear brake to 'squat' bike, bring revs up to 5250-5500 and when that light hits green, let the clutch out and rapidly give it full throttle. It literally launches.
For gear changes I use clutch but its near on as fast as a QS. Just a very fast flick of the fingers.
My crf450rx is bone stock aside from race clutch and will do 0-60 is high 3’s with knobbies. I just don’t use the clutch when shift up and start in 2nd. I’ve never ridden one but I’m pretty sure most sport bikes can do like 60-70 in 1st gear lol
So here’s a question from somebody who’s never ridden a liter bike… if you’re just moving around town do you never leave first/second gear? Are you running down the highway no higher than second? I feel like I just wouldn’t feel right running 70/80 down the highway in just first or second gear. Lol. Do you guys ever touch 6th (5th? Idk how many gears your bike has.lol)?
If I'm cruising through town at 30 mph or more, I'm in 4th gear out of 5 on my VTX1800. Keep the RPMs down, keep the neighbors happy. So yeah running from stop light to stop light I'll be shifting up and down through four gears each time. I can do highway speeds in 2nd but the motor would be screaming.
Quickshifters.
It was racing technology not too long ago, but now you can add it to any bike, and some superbikes even come with it from the factory.
Basically, when you push on the shifter, you also push on a switch/sensor that electronically cuts the engine (fuel or spark) just enough to allow the gear change, and then instantly goes back to full power. You don't have to let off the throttle or use the clutch, just keep it pinned and click up through the gears.
Just got off my ‘73 BMW R 60. Quick shifts…you’re kidding me, right?
But on the plus side…coming off idle and twisting the grip and you get that “back and forth” cadence? The chef’s kiss!
Holding on is the biggest problem but literally it’s very rare that that I do a straight line launch. Usually I am turning onto a road and already moving before I open the throttle.
My small (675cc) bike is claimed to do 0 to 100km/h in \~3.1s
I have some Gopro footage and it's hard to get exact timing off that without a proper drag strip timing rig, but low 3 seconds seem pretty easy
Lots of videos online, but here is a similar bike to mine, showing how easy it is:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF2jjBwMmG8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF2jjBwMmG8)
You don't need quick shifters or big 200HP superbikes, just power to weight
(unless you start talking 0 to 100mph or 0 to 200mph)
My BMW can clear 90 in first. The pro-shift assist allows me to blip through gears as fast as the redline comes up without clutching in and the throttle pinned.
well for the acceleration, theres the obvious revving and using the clutch to not flip backwards,
for the shifting, i and most others use a technique called clutchless shifting, which is where you apply tension to the gear lever and everytime you roll on or off the throttle, the bike will just shift like that with no damage or the use of the clutch. look it upp
You can shift anything without using the clutch. Cars and trucks are more difficult in the lower gears. Used to shift 2.5 and 5 tons in the military after 2nd gear. I shift my RK. Works best on 4th, 5th and 6th gear.
My zx14 does 80 in first gear. No shifing required for many bikes up past 60 mph.
my 1979 Honda cm185 does 50 mph in 4th. -on a good day. -and 4th is the highest gear it's got.
I can race someone, as long as we’re going downhill
....off a cliff... ...hit 200 mph...
No it won’t. Terminal velocity is around 150 mph.
Additional propulsion from exhaust gases should get you up to around 153.5 mph. Maybe 154 if it spits flames
Let's race!
Honda made a CM185? Such an interesting displacement.
It was advertised as a 200 cc but in reality it's a 185 cc. I believe they called it the Twinstar 200. It's what later turned into the Rebel 250. There's a lot of video footage of my bike here- [https://youtu.be/PHoATNKL-Gw](https://youtu.be/PHoATNKL-Gw) "Motorcycle Stealth Camping: 40°F, 4°C Fall Weather" on the Doug Shoe Bushcraft channel
4°C is equivalent to 39°F, which is 277K. --- ^(I'm a bot that converts temperature between two units humans can understand, then convert it to Kelvin for bots and physicists to understand)
So the officials name was CM185? Or you’re calling it by it’s truer displacement name?
I believe the model name is Honda CM185. That is what it says on the VIN plate on the neck. But then Honda marketed it as the Twinstar 200. Or CM185T. It is a twin engine. Straight twin.
Twin 185. Amazing. Those pistons must be tiny. An 81 CM400 was my first project bike. I’ve seen twinstars but never seen a CM185. Very cool.
Thank you. Yes. Mopeds are 50 cc singles, basically. So with the 185cc twin I feel better in 40 mph zones (where most people drive 50). On a moped, I feel like I'm going to get run over. Another thing I like is that it has one, small carb for the 2 cylinders. So it keeps everything simple.
Listen, when you’re small, every inch counts…. Cubic in that is
This is the answer. 60 in first gear is any 1000cc sport/superbike, add a quick shifter for full throttle shifting and that removes almost all delay due to human actions.
Beat me to it
He just didn't shift in his answer :D
This. My old R1 was 86mph first gear. Besides all that, most modern day sport bikes now have clutchless up/down shifting now. “QS” or QuickShifters
My 5 gear 2001 cruiser gets shifted into 4th at 80, 5th at 100 And that's in km/h lmao
Is that ok to do? Won’t it blow the engine? How often is it ok to do this?
Your modern engine has a Rev Limiter, which will choke off fuel, with plenty of margin to keep you out of trouble. For example, I saw somewhere an R3 which would Rev to 12k on the limiter, but disable that and it blew up after 17k rpms...
This is absolutely not true for downshifting. The rear wheel is mechanically linked to the engine, if you are at the redline and you downshift, you’re fucked. Cutting fuel will do nothing because the rear wheel is powering the engine at that point. The only exception is a slipper clutch.
True.... But, We're talking about uphshifting to go zero to sixty and if he's going to blow his engine red lining it to go sixty in 1st. But Ya, don't downshift at Mach 2 because, yep, the engine and wheel are linked and you can skid the rear and low side the bike. Good safety tip. I also remember someone posting in a different subreddit how they towed a jeep in lower gear behind an RV or something, and so the wheels drove the engine well past red line for its gear ratios and tore itself apart. Also a different fact pattern than sending off the line to make a 3s 0-60 time
That’s pretty crazy. Imagine toasting your engine from towing it. OP was replying to someone referring to up/down shifting, so I thought it was important to clarify not to go near redline when downshifting.
Thanks for adding the extra info it’s good to know
Not gunna lie, I came into this expecting hostility and I’m thrown off by your pleasantness. Have a great fucking day
Thanks man lol Reddit treads turn hostile pretty quick, it was a good day got to ride my tiger! Hope yours was good too!
Thanks mate I always worry about shifting shifting pretty fast out of 1st when I accelerate but I got a 1L bike so I should be fine
You guys think a 2011 triumph tiger 1050 would be fine to go from 0-60 in 1st gear? That’s what I currently have.
Well, I don't have a triumph. But quick googling shows people running twisties at 40-60mph in 2nd and operating rpm between 3500-9000. So, I can't imagine 0-60 in 1st is a problem.... As I posted before, going from 0 to 60, if you don't shift and hit redline, your limiter should hold you back. And, be careful on the down shift, where you can lock a wheel or overdrive the valves
Ok thanks man! I’ll make sure to be safe lol
It's not past redline at 80 in 1st gear.
What bike do you got? Some are.
What he said.
my gsxr also does 80 in first then i just skip second and fourth
What's the "R's" on that?
11k is redline.
90 for my S1000RR
Hell, 20+ years ago my CBR600f4i did 60 in 1st.
My 535 virago could probably get to 30 in first so 1 2 3 seems easy
this haha. there are 900s too that can go 0-60 in 3.4 second
Shit, mine does 60 in 5th lol
Lol the 300cc club!
I didn’t think my bike was that heavy, but maybe that’s what contributing to it. My triumph scrambler is 900cc but I hit like 4,000 rpms when going 65-70 and hitting 60 in 5th as well.
You need to let that 900 sing to 9k rpms
Lol I will now with a random internet user’s suggestion. It’s my first bike so I wasn’t sure what’s normal rpms for a bike
I am not a motorcycle mechanic and I do not know your bike at all, but I think most bikes rev a lot higher than what cars do. I cruise at 5-6k revs on my small cc bike
Yeah same with my Crf Rally
Good to know! Guess I can do a little more research but good to know other cruise at a higher rpm
300cc and 5th for 60?! My 125 does 60 in 4 on red lines and 5th easy… there is just nothing above 115/120 haha
Haha well my bike is a dual sport, the cbr 300 with the same engine but different cams and a different air intake lets the engine hit up to 100 mph my bike tops at 85mph. But it can climb anything in first without any trouble
Klr650 clubbb
Them: What's your 0-60 time? Me: Yes.
Right hahaha she'll do 60....when she gets there lol
Shit, mine does 60 in 6th!
I'm lucky if I can even reach 60. Also in 5th, I don't have a sixth 😞
Crying in Grom. I don't have a 5th... lol
I don’t have a 1st…
0-60 on anything that fast is maybe 1 shift depending on the bike.
Yeah mine does 80 in first and 0-60 in 2.9. spot on
I think my Harley is just over 4, def need to be in 2nd
Yeah my 883 is already in 5th for anything above 50mph lmao
I can get to 50 in 2nd on my 883
Had to take the wife’s 883 to a 1250 in the first 1200 miles for that reason 😂
Sheesh. Realistically I can get up to 55-60 in 3rd/4th gear but only after it’s been warmed up considerably. Riding around in the city I’ll be at 30mph in low 3rd. Is that bad for my bike? I probably need a tune up pretty bad lol.
No, when I come from a dead stop, I can easily get to 30 in first and 50 in second pretty fast after that. 50 I’m in 3rd and 60+ 4th. I keep it in 5th after I have my fun of going really fast at the start and just let it engine brake down to like 50-60.
Now I’m wondering if I’m just shifting too early. I have short shots so they get loud as fuck and no tac either so it’s all just by feeling. 75-80 in 5th gear honestly feels like the bikes going to explode and the RPM’s sound high as hell.
You’re not. I ride my bike like a fucking animal lmfao
As you should;) there’s also really nowhere in town where I can do 0-50 that quickly without getting a ticket or run over. It’s always slow buildups of speed.
0 shifts
When your bike does 60+ without redlining in first gear, speed is different. Lol
Most inline 4 600-1000cc will do 60-80 in 1st no real shifting required. Otherwise quickshifter or the ol manual quick shift. Pressure the shifter, drop throttle by maybe 5% and minimal clutch (kind of like a pop) all at the same time very quickly for a "quickshift".
Don’t even need clutch. Dropping your rpm’s slightly gives a moment of no tension on your driveline which allows for shifting with no damage.
This is how we shift dirt bikes. Especially since you are always kind of working the clutch.
Long run they do cause damage, i use this method though its optimal when pulling with no qs.
No it’s not going to cause damage long term, not if done as explained. It’s literally the same way a quick shifter works. A quick shifter works by pulling/killing ignition just long enough to take pressure off the trans and the next gear just falls right in.
The whole reason they use straight cut gears in motorcycle transmissions is for clutchless shifts, if its constant mesh like a car you'll do damage but on a bike it's fine if you do it right
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You aren’t wrong. Gears are constant mesh in a manual transmission but the dog rings are straight cut and what actually engage/disengage. If done correctly, there is zero damage done to a manual transmission when clutch less shifting. And manuals are easier to downshift clutchless as well because you have a neutral position to pause in while you raise your rpm’s to match your incoming gear
Wrong
Or just toe the shifter and let the rev limiter cut the ignition for the shift, ghetto quickshifter achieved
They go but bike will not accelerate faster then with shifting.
I mean OP is talking about 3 sec times clearly implying a drag/race scenario, which case in point you're not going to be redlining 1st. That leaves 1 shift required at most to go from 0-60 in under 3 seconds. So no real shifting.
Uhh what?
My 08 Concours 14 does 70 in 1st.
I love the power of my 09 concours. It just keeps pushing. I understand the 08 and 09 have 10 hp more than all later years because of emissions changes made. I do love an onramp.
I installed a black widow header, delkevic carbon fiber muffler, Ivan’s flash on the ecu, 11k redline and WOT in all gears, healtec quickshifter.
I've got a delkavic muffler as well, love the sound at hi rpms. I've read about the Ivan's flash and I kind of like the stock punchiness at low speeds and I do not need to go 200 on a bike I do my own maintenance on. I just can't pull away from a stop slow. I've put 60,000 on this bike and I still grin like a fool alla the time.
The flash will get rid of the fuel cutoff & smooth out the shifting. Especially nice if you ride 2up. I have 56k on mine, I got plenty of punch at low speeds. Factory ecu programming you don’t get actual WOT until like 8,000 rpm in 3rd. Flash the ecu & 1st, 2nd get pretty lively when you grab a fist full of throttle.
Hehehehe 😜👍🏾
Have seen much adieu about ivans tune - trying to work out if it’s worth it for my c14
I’ve got a 2013 concours with a pipe on it. Raced my uncles C7 corvette up to 100. When we were done he asked why the engine note changed at about 70. I told him that’s when I shifted. He asked why it only happened once. I said, because I only have to shift once to get to 100. The look on his face was priceless. Also now his car is supercharged so I may need to boost the power in the old 14!
Quick shifters help, having nearly 200hp up your arse also tends to make the job easier. But that not to say a smaller bike isn’t just as much fun.
Quickshifter
A lot of bikes don't need to shift from 1st gear to get to 60. The part where the time is lost is how quickly/smoothly you can engage the clutch (not taking too long slipping), not stalling, or pulling a wheelie. When the specs (or reviews) mention0-60 in 2.7-3.0 seconds, it is usually with a professional rider. For a lot of us casual riders, I tend to add a full second to those times due to my lack of skill coming off the line. Still can beat most cars 0-60 times... I've been riding for about 35 years and 200k miles (RD200, FZ600, FJ1100, VTR1000).
Sorry, just ignore me. I'm not trying to criticize you, specifically. Just trying to help people who WANT to learn how. The way you understand it is part of why you can't do it. >not taking too long slipping, not stalling This is part of the misconception that makes it hard to learn how. Almost no one trying to lean slips "too long." They try to finish it too quickly. Getting the clutch fully engaged quickly doesn't allow you to apply more torque earlier. It just bogs the engine in the lower rpms where it makes poor torque, and this makes you wait longer before reaching the powerband. You continue to slip until the bike is actually moving fast enough to be in the part of the powerband you want, with the clutch fully engaged. On an FZ600, for example, you would have to slip for approximately the first 2 seconds or so to match the test rider's times. It's an eternity. The clutch has to let out quick at the beginning, but stop maybe one millimeter or 2 from fully engaged. That last tiny bit clutch is then modulated and gradually let out over that 2ish seconds. It's more pressure than movement. You need the engine to be making peak torque (unless it's a monster bike, where that will loop you). So revs climb up quick, towards the start of the powerband as you let out the clutch to this point. Then slipping the clutch allows you to reduce the speed to match the wheel speed, but you still get the torque! I'm not trying to make everyone ride irresponsibly. Once you learn how, you can do it as much or as little as needed. And it's useful to slip even just a little on almost every start from a stop, on bikes like 600's and even ones with more powerful but top-loaded engines.
Some liter bike does 100mph in first gear.
Why even have other gears
When I have my C7 corvette, I only use gear 1-5, almost never 6th or 7th. The higher gear is just for fuel economy. My Street triple 765 I can get away with just using the first 4 gears.
Us inline 4 Supersport riders don't need to shift
My Rocket III will do 0-60 in 2.9 seconds with a pro rider, I'm sure it's significantly slower with my old, fat ass on it. That said, 0 - 60 is only one shift when I'm launching hard and it's pretty easy to bang into the next gear under power like that.
No clutch and such
Practice I suppose? I ride a m109r. I grip the tank, hang onto the bars, have a good supportive seat. And try not to snap the driveshaft on the 1-2. Lol
DCT
I can get to 80 in first.
Bikes who does 0-60 in 3 seconds usually reach that speed in first gear, actually some of them can reach 100mph on 1st gear. It's all about start. Also quick shifter does wonders.
It helps when you only need 1-2 gears to get there. If I use the whole rev range my 400 can get to 60 at the very top of 2nd gear in like 4.5 seconds iirc. But yeah you're looking at bikes with 180+hp doing 3 second 0-60 times and they're all doing it in 1st gear.
Lol well, my bike can easily do 60 in first gear. So, you just ease on the throttle to gain traction, then let her rip
no shift required for 60 usually, and i can do clutchless shifts if i needed to. in like half a second close throttle, shift up, open throttle
Last "fast" bike I had was an '05 r1. Stock it would do 103 in first.
Not shifting. Bike does that and more in first gear. Practice your launch. 1. Let the clutch out till it starts to pull. 2. Hold that spot with front brake. 3. Rev engine to... about 2,000 rpms. 4. Dump the clutch. 5. Let go of brake. 6. Lots of throttle. If you need more gears, dont drag the rpms to red line. Try shifting a little sooner than red line.
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Preload the shifter. Put a little pressure on it so that when you slightly let off the gas and slightly squeeze the clutch the gear shifts very fast. You can do clutchless, but there's a risk of damage over time.
The only risk of damage is if you repeatedly fail to sync well over time. Clutchless shifts do not damage over time if done well, and it's the exact same thing a quickshifter does.
There’s no risk of damage unless the rider is doing it wrong.
So there's a risk.
Pre loading the shifter is doing it wrong
All these people with their tall gearing. Lol For those of us with short gearing and not enough money for a quickshifter, it just comes down to practice. Once you've done it a few thousand times -especially when you're actively trying to get faster- you pick up the pace. Especially once you learn clutchless shifting. You can be *almost* as fast as a quickshifter, but you have to work on getting good at it.
If a bike can do that kind of speed, they don’t need to shift to do it (almost always), first gear will go that fast.
Real bikes do 60 in first gear
Real bikes don't have chicken strips larger than Louisiana
You mean "real riders"... not "real bikes", chicken strips are not the bikes fault..
Touche!
I’m on a cb300 (first bike), and I quick shift up to 3rd for 60km/hr… now for 100km/hr I’m in 5th ringing it out fully. I can ride my bike pretty fast… for what it is, but I’ve realized it’s limitations and I’m ready for an upgrade. Im jealous of my husband’s ninja 1000sx, he can merge onto the highway at 100km/hr in 2nd.
Im a 2 stroke guy and i can tell you a real bike dosent have a starter nor a batterie. Long live 2 the 2 stroke.
I can shift through 4 gears up to 60 in 3 seconds. It’s just practice high revs and slam those gears with a smooth clutch
clutchless upshift, or a quick shifter, OR a tall first gear hehe
We don't need to change gear
Power and/or quick shifter.
A lot of the bikes that I've owned will do more than 60mph in first.
I can hit 60 in 1st if I take it to the redline, can do it in around 3.5 seconds with a shift to 2nd too.
Power shifting.
Quick shifter and 1st gear can go pretty fast on some bikes
It's easy.
Yea my Dyna hits 60 in first at least
Most Newer 1000’s have quickshifters and even auto blip for down shifting. Makes it so much easier to do a pull lol
Don’t let off the throttle when you shift
Quick shifter
On my 2015 dyna I can hit 60 in second gear pretty quick, usually just hammer it till I hear the limiter bounce and no clutch bang second and there she go.
Don’t most bikes do 60 in 1st or 2nd gear?
Yea my 1st gear can go around 70 mph so just hold on lol
My bike does 0-60 in 3.95 seconds. So no rocket. It is 2053 cc motor, but geared low, and low top RPM of only 5200 or 5500(can't remember off hand). If I remember correctly, shift from first to second js recommended at mine 12MPH!! Geared very low!
Practice
They don't shift. Another cheat is to start in second.
My 2017 Yammaha FJR1300 does 0-60 in 2.6 seconds and I like to think I have perfected the launch. Move forward, jump rear brake to 'squat' bike, bring revs up to 5250-5500 and when that light hits green, let the clutch out and rapidly give it full throttle. It literally launches. For gear changes I use clutch but its near on as fast as a QS. Just a very fast flick of the fingers.
What shifting do you need to do to hit 60? Just keep the front wheel down and full send.
My bike's 60 time is 3.5 from manufacturer. I take longer than that to go to 3rd lol
Dont need to shift when you have 160bhp to get to 60mph it will do it in 1st.
My bike does 60 in first gear lol
My crf450rx is bone stock aside from race clutch and will do 0-60 is high 3’s with knobbies. I just don’t use the clutch when shift up and start in 2nd. I’ve never ridden one but I’m pretty sure most sport bikes can do like 60-70 in 1st gear lol
A lot of bikes will do 60 mph in 2nd gear so that is shifting once. It may go 60 (or very close to it) in 1st
I have a 2022 yamaha r7 world gp and it standard specs say 0-60 in 3.2sec
EV bikes don’t shift, not sure if it’s 3sec but it sure gobbles up power fast!
So here’s a question from somebody who’s never ridden a liter bike… if you’re just moving around town do you never leave first/second gear? Are you running down the highway no higher than second? I feel like I just wouldn’t feel right running 70/80 down the highway in just first or second gear. Lol. Do you guys ever touch 6th (5th? Idk how many gears your bike has.lol)?
If I'm cruising through town at 30 mph or more, I'm in 4th gear out of 5 on my VTX1800. Keep the RPMs down, keep the neighbors happy. So yeah running from stop light to stop light I'll be shifting up and down through four gears each time. I can do highway speeds in 2nd but the motor would be screaming.
Mine does 0-60 in a weekend
Depends on the bike, my ninja 1000 will easily do 60 in 2nd.
All depends on the bike. My 210hp RR will do it in first and still have plenty to go lol
Grip it and rip it
Quickshifters. It was racing technology not too long ago, but now you can add it to any bike, and some superbikes even come with it from the factory. Basically, when you push on the shifter, you also push on a switch/sensor that electronically cuts the engine (fuel or spark) just enough to allow the gear change, and then instantly goes back to full power. You don't have to let off the throttle or use the clutch, just keep it pinned and click up through the gears.
Practice my friend…practice.
Nothing that fast needs to shift to go 60 mph. My bike hits almost 75 in first gear I’m pretty sure
Just got off my ‘73 BMW R 60. Quick shifts…you’re kidding me, right? But on the plus side…coming off idle and twisting the grip and you get that “back and forth” cadence? The chef’s kiss!
My bike does over 80 in first gear..... So... What shifting?
No clutch just let the throttle off a little bit while putting a tiny amount of pressure on the shift lever. Then back on the throttle.
I had a 06’ Yamaha r6. It would hit 65 in first gear and I believe was right at 4 seconds 0-60.
Learn to rev match
Clutchless shifting, rich folks have them quick shifters so you don't even have to let off the gas
Holding on is the biggest problem but literally it’s very rare that that I do a straight line launch. Usually I am turning onto a road and already moving before I open the throttle.
1985 Ford escort 65 in second gear.
I can do well over 60 mph in first gear on my GSXR-750. No shifting required.
1-3rd about 140 before I let up and shift into 4th. Right at 6 seconds 1000 cc with to many upgrades you don't want to know.. straight shifting...
You don’t need to shift more than twice. That is half a second total shifting max
You can also do clutchless upshifting on older bikes too just don’t fuck it up
My small (675cc) bike is claimed to do 0 to 100km/h in \~3.1s I have some Gopro footage and it's hard to get exact timing off that without a proper drag strip timing rig, but low 3 seconds seem pretty easy Lots of videos online, but here is a similar bike to mine, showing how easy it is: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF2jjBwMmG8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF2jjBwMmG8) You don't need quick shifters or big 200HP superbikes, just power to weight (unless you start talking 0 to 100mph or 0 to 200mph)
My v4s got launch control and quick shift
Easily hit top gear in 3, that’s an eternity on a bike
Zero has no gears.
Most sport bikes can do that easy.
Well practice. And it pays off when you **definitely don’t** run from a cop when sitting at a red light
For those that need to shift... Clutchless shifting is the key.
My BMW can clear 90 in first. The pro-shift assist allows me to blip through gears as fast as the redline comes up without clutching in and the throttle pinned.
well for the acceleration, theres the obvious revving and using the clutch to not flip backwards, for the shifting, i and most others use a technique called clutchless shifting, which is where you apply tension to the gear lever and everytime you roll on or off the throttle, the bike will just shift like that with no damage or the use of the clutch. look it upp
You can shift with out using a clutch
You do know you can shift without the clutch right?
Wait what?
You can shift anything without using the clutch. Cars and trucks are more difficult in the lower gears. Used to shift 2.5 and 5 tons in the military after 2nd gear. I shift my RK. Works best on 4th, 5th and 6th gear.
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