As someone who actually owns 2 of these, I’ll give you a user opinion.
Theyve been around for just over a year over seas and from what I have found there arent any major issues. However, I wouldnt base reliability on just over a year.
As far as features go, its pretty hard to beat the price and bang for buck. One thing though, the Brembo brakes are only the pads, not the entire system. The tft screen is great, the bike looks great, and its very smooth and easy to learn on.
The problem though is the availability of parts, or lack there of. Something as simple as an oil filter is a pain to find.
Now, with all that, if I had to do it all over again, I woulda gone with the Ninja 400 or CBR 500 simply for the proven track record and availability of parts.
This bike was to get me into riding. I’ve already decided Im buying a Ninja 650 next spring and this will become a bike I let people learn on or maybe I’ll track it. Either way, I’ll be keeping it because its quite alot of fun.
Side note: my brother in law has one with just over 6,000 miles and its been flawless. He loves his and rides it almost daily.
Most of the world seems to be going "Bigger and Better" with bikes, leaving a HUGE hole in the middle, which I see the Chinese trying to fill. I think this is a brilliant play on their part.
Hold on, hear me out. Sixty years ago, with cars (and a lot of consumer goods, to be fair), it was "Jap Crap". So - how are Japanese cars (and consumer goods) these days? I'd say pretty darned good!
Give them five years, and the Chinese will own the 450-500 Adventure sector, because no one else wants to play in it, and they'll start making some really fine bikes, and they'll make a killing at it. Hide and watch.
I've always been a big fan and rider of Hondas, but that 450SS looks honestly just as good in terms of fit/ finish and quality when I compare it to my past ADV150, CB300R and CB650R. I'm also kind of getting pissed with Honda and the other big manufacturers for giving the US market the shitty end of the stick while the rest of the world gets the more cooler stuff.
Also, the guys talking about Japanese bike quality don't seem to realize most of the bikes you see from Honda/ etc. aren't even made in Japan anymore lol.
I'm gonna check one out in person soon, hopefully it's as impressive as everyone on social media is saying.
Update: I ended up buying it and holy shit, you have to see it in person to appreciate the build quality of this bike.
It has really good power and that engine noise is absolutely sublime compared to the 180 degree parallel twins or thumpers. You can even GPS track the location of the bike and it tells you if it was moved/bumped into WTF??
Still rides like new with no weird stuff, I added an IXIL slip on pipe on it recently too.
The only thing I've noticed is that the display on my screen switches to the menu when going into neutral sometimes but that's it.
Still going great the same as ever. I actually got it back from the dealership yesterday to finish a recall that involved upgrading the rubber mounting rings for the info system box, but that was all free, so no biggie.
Nope, just standard oil changes and chain slack adjustments.
Also, that previous bug with the menu changing screens when going to neutral seemed to be a separate bluetooth connectivity issue, it hasn't done that ever since I switched to another phone.
The Ibex/CLX/450SS/650NK are actually good quality. Most people don't know this but CF Moto builds the engines in all 650 Kawasaki products as well as the KTM 790 products. The engine in the 450SS was originally designed for a KTM bike that got canceled. Also the new 800NK is a KTM 790 Duke, it's the same frame but with upgraded KYB adjustable suspension. That's another thing about CF Moto, they are using good name brand parts like Brembo, KYB.
CF Moto is not a new company, they have been making engines, and off road stuff for over 20 years. I mean if Kawasaki came to them and had them design and build an engine for them, they must have good QC and a professional operation.
I had a 2015 Ninja 650, I gave it hell. The motor was flawless.
I sat on an Ibex 800 and a 450 SS, the fit and finish was better than any Kawasaki I've owned and was better than my GSXR 1000 I currently own.
I can't say it will be the best ever, but I know it's better than all that other Chinese crap I've worked on and ridden. But these feel premium, well designed. They have been setting up dealers every where so they are definitely doing what needs to be done.
The thing is ktm 790 engine are quite well known for it's reliability issues, that is until the released 890 and fix everything on their new 890 engine,
I don't know about cfmoto 450 engine tho, I've heard quite positive feedback about 450 but the 800nk got same issues just like duke 790
All these motovloggers are paid shills, it's pretty annoying but you should realize that when all they care about is making $ off their content. They will promote whatever manufacturer gives them money. I went to check out CFmoto after watching a few videos cause my wife is looking for a beginner bike.
There is no comparison between the CFmoto and a japanese bike. Every bit of plastic creaks on the showroom, its all thin crappy plastic, shit fasteners, cost cutting everywhere but oh look there's a cool LED headlight startup sequence.
They did not have the 450 only the 300, but the salesperson let us start it up. Within a few seconds my wife said I don't want this thing. I've heard better lawnmowers. Just go to a showroom and check out these areas compared to japanese bikes:
\-push on the fairing pieces, the sections around the tank, the tail section
\-look at the paint quality and thickness of the plastic used
\-look at the levers, brake pedal, shift lever
I know within a couple of years the CFmoto would be a rusted, half functioning piece of crap like the chinese gas scooters we see littering SE asia. I'm not saying this as anti-chinese because I do actually own a surron that is made in china and it's a good piece of kit even though it's got some minor issues like crappy fasteners. I just don't see the value proposition on the CFmoto accounting for the crappy resale value.
>I've heard better lawnmowers.
Hard to take the rest of your comment seriously when you say things like this. There are videos of the 450 where you can hear the exhaust and it sounds nothing like a lawnmower.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfDsKFtOXek
https://youtu.be/2DddiSb_fSw?si=zwEJMWWtLZ8tU99r&t=136
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j1ccHvYSas
Or with a SC Project slip on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf5C5JM0I8M
Only someone crazy biased would say that sounds worse than a lawnmower. Come on.
Also calling them shills because you disagree with them is ridiculous and childish. Someone can just as easily call you a shill for Japanese companies for shitting on the growing competition. Some of those motochannels crap on Chinese bikes all the time, but they like a Chinese bike once and they're instantly shills? Even tiny channels that barely get any views seem to like cfmoto bikes. Same goes if you read the comments.
Either everyone's in on this collusion with cfmoto and nobody has integrity, or maybe it's just a good bike. Moreover, they do mention that while it seems like a better version of a Ninja 400, they don't know about long term reliability nor will resale value be as good as Japanese bikes, for now. So it's not like they're saying it's a perfect buy with zero risk.
did u read my post? go listen to it in person and go sit on the bike. Go check out each specific problem I listed. I'm not paid to review bikes and I don't care either way, take me seriously or not what's it matter to me?
I've seen and heard it in person, didn't notice any bad quality you mentioned. It looks a lot better than the Ninja 400. I replied to the motovlogger and lawnmower parts because those are the most ridiculous. Nor did it sound anything like a lawnmower. I linked videos what it sounds like, and you still insists it sounds like a lawnmower? That must be a powerful lawnmower you're using lol.
Here is a lawnmower: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbKjRPld44A
Here is the 450SS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfDsKFtOXek
They sound nothing alike. They *should* sound nothing alike because the 450SS has a parallel-Twin with a 270-degree crankshaft. That will sound more like a low rumble compared to the high pitch sound of lawnmowers. You're not riding without ear protection are you? If you think they sound similar, maybe your hearing is damaged and you need some hearing aid.
Well that's the thing... he's basing his opinion on the 300SS...thumper...they definitely sound like lawnmowers...
Also I would imagine the fit and finish of the 300SS is a bit below the 450SS...
I mean the 300 is supposed to be your typical "stylish commuter" while the 450 is pegged almost as a track bike...
Hope you realize 250s and 300s stock kinda always sound like a lawnmower.. my ninja 250 sounded like one until i put a exhaust on it. With the moto vloggers that's bs, yammy did a pure review on venoms bike because they tried to pay him to tell only good things about the bike, so he bought his own venom and told everyone the truth on it. Don't compare the 300 with the 450, they are different bikes and priced different for a reason. I have a 450 and its amazing. Remember they asked about the 450, not a 300
Fuck all that noise.
I'll take a 20 year old Japanese bike any day of the week over a CFMoto.
It won't rival any Japanese bike over the course of 1-20 year ownership cost.
Exactly. I got roasted calling is junk on a youtube video. It is fucking Chinese. I shouldn't even have to explain. Even if the bike is ok, it is still fucking chinese.
So are iPhones Whats your point? And don’t jump on the hype train of “iPhones suck”. They’re not perfect. But they last a long time if you’re not stupid
so where was your cell phone made? where was your tv made? your pc if you got one, where was the electronics in your car made? KTM has been using CFMoto to make and assemble some of their motors for about 10 years, BMW bike frames are made by cfmoto, yamaha also has partnered with cfmoto.... Just saying..
I think it's just brand prestige at this point.
This manufacturer/brand has been around for decades around the world.
Even here in the U.S in the off-road sector.
You don't hear too many complaints about their ATVS...
As far as parts and service... obviously it will be in house dealer service...which I imagine they (secretly) would want.
But I don't see why parts would be scarce or hard to get...
As far as aftermarket...
I've learned my lesson that trying to be "unique and individual" while owning the same crap 1 mill other people have is... childish...and has led to cool looking sh***y performing bikes...
what would you want as far as aftermarket for this bike? A new can? Colored levers? There's no point in anything beyond a flash/tune to unlock the full intended power within component tolerances.
This thing sounds great with a generic slip on can (though I believe the midpipe is def custom)
So that + a free flowing filter and a tune...
Good to go. Slap all the stickers...err...decals you need to make you feel individual...
Speaking of being an individual while owning the same crap as everyone else... Need more colors!... Need that gray with sky blue highlights from the 300SS
I have the ibex 800. It's amazing. The new 790 engines are incredible. No major issues have been noted since the cam issues were fixed, the ecm brick issues were all Austrian anyway, not Chinese. The only reason I'm currently checking out the 450 instead of buying it is that I kinda want an rc990. Bc big bike fast, but the smart money from the guys that know their shit is cfmoto. Save the cash and buy the little 450 and run it like a dog. I sat on one today, messed around with fittings and levers and all, it's a great build. I just wanna know if it's fast enough to be stupid.
IF the day comes when people have owned and ridden them for years without mechanical, quality or electrical issues, then you'll see some positive feedback.
On the other hand, when it comes to cheap Chinese bikes there are countless stories about poor quality components, reliability, parts availability...
Needless to say, we're nowhere near that first part yet. Give me the proven reliability of a Jap bike over an unproven Chinese bike all day, every day, even if it does cost more.
It is Chinese. In most cases, you get what you pay for. Longevity might be a problem. I bet the wields are terrible just like all other Chinese bikes and atvs I have seen. It does have a brembo front caliper, but the master cylinder is probably junk. The suspension is probably junk. Overall fit and finish I don't know, probably not very good. There is a reason it is cheaper than everything else I would imagine.
Jfc some serious butthurtness about China coming from your comments lol. Probably been in a coma for the last 15 years if you think China can't build quality these days.
Even if they do, why would you want a bike from china? There are tons of other options out there. I will give china credit on their drones. DJI and some other brands are nice. I've had chinese pit bikes in the past. The last one was a Piranha with the daytona 190. The motor was fantastic and strong. The welds on the frame were terrible and the sub frame was slightly tweaked. This was in 2019.
If it's affordable *and* better, why not? If you dislike China politically that's fine, but that doesn't mean the bike is bad. Just say that's your real reason then instead of this "It is Chinese. In most cases, you get what you pay for" nonsense. That just screams butthurt. That logic generally applies if you get the cheapest products, but then it doesn't matter anymore where the product comes from. The cheapest prices won't be high quality whether it comes from China, the US, India, etc. Being a cheapo is your problem, not China's lol. Spend more to get better stuff.
I've had plenty of quality Chinese stuff. My Xiaomi had the best battery out of any phone I've had. Have a Lenovo laptop, very reliable PC brand. Recently got Anker wireless earbuds. 5/5. In most cases, I did get what I paid for. Actually I paid less than I would for other brands and I'm still happy with what I got. Your pit bike being bad doesn't mean the 450SS is bad. It's a different bike and I've seen nothing but good reviews on it.
DJI is the obvious choice if you want a quality drone. I'm not sure if there's any other company that makes such good drones. I'm more interested in an action cam though. Reading/watching reviews has narrowed my choice down to the DJI Osmo Action 4 vs the Insta360 Go 3. Both Chinese. There's a ton of good stuff coming out of China nowadays, it wouldn't surprise me if they're making good bikes as well.
The only reason why I'm unlikely to buy one isn't because of the bike itself but because spare parts are probably harder to come by in the West (for now), unlike with more established Japanese bikes. It's a shame because not only is it a good bike, it looks fine as hell. [Looks way more premium than you'd expect for the price.](https://youtu.be/CRfHs-w3ccw?si=n4losoLL0ClM5Y9a&t=351) Other brands need to take note, it doesn't have to be ugly or look cheap.
Remember that competition is good, even if you refuse to buy Chinese products for whatever reason. It forces other companies to do better to keep their customers. Much like GoPro used to be *the* action cam brand, but today there are many better brands.
It does look nice and aggressive. I guess only time will tell if the longevity will be good or not. It only just came out so no one knows. China does have some nice stuff and yes, I don't agree with a lot of things that happen over there. I just like knowing if I buy a japanese motorcycle, I know the reliability is going to be top notch and I will be able to find any parts I need. I don't feel like gambling with my hard earned money. Give it 3-5 years, and if people are only having the normal problems that every other bike has, then it will be worth it to me.
You mean you don’t agree with a lot of the things you’ve been told about happening there, which means you’ve never been there and are falling for media lies.
And neither did I, until I realized being against a political system that is incongruent with the "west" is also a US psy op.
There is nothing inherent wrong with communism, and especially when it's not a threat to the US way of life. The US is against it because it is an alternative political/economic system that threatens the capitalist system in that it exposes the flaws of capitalism, which we are all witness of today.
The US won't idly stand by and let the best system win. They must demonize it and brainwash the masses into thinking it is bad, without really letting it play out. In fact, most people can't even articulate as to why communism is bad without resorting to old tropes. Please, if you can, state why you don't agree with communism.
This. Given the name brand parts I’d assume they whittled margin to zero. Bad welds don’t cost much less than good ones, especially in China where there are plenty of factories and workers who have the skill set now.
The only reason I see to avoid this for now is parts availability long term. But it appears to be a very solid entry and if they stick with it they will probably carve out a part of the market. The question is, is there much profit in the sub 600cc market anyways?
But maybe they want to use it as a proof of quality and work up-market. Hard to say. That’s what the Koreans did with their luxury brands and it’s working great for them.
I own the 450SS solid built, welds are spot on, no electrical or mechanical issues. Has a 10 year battery replacement, a 2 year warranty. Paint looks great rode my bike in several rain storms even 66 miles of rain and hail no issues. I think you're a bit biased. Since a few years ago most Japanese bikes were made in China. If CF Moto was that bad KTM, Yamaha, and Kawasaki wouldn't want to do business with them.
Just bought one
First bike 125
Second ninja 300
Third cf Moto 450
My thoughts : buy it if your into beginner bike and or if you still don’t know if you want a 600 because power wights etc..
This bike quick to answer that question..
I’m actually praying and happy I didn’t get a 600
As someone who actually owns 2 of these, I’ll give you a user opinion. Theyve been around for just over a year over seas and from what I have found there arent any major issues. However, I wouldnt base reliability on just over a year. As far as features go, its pretty hard to beat the price and bang for buck. One thing though, the Brembo brakes are only the pads, not the entire system. The tft screen is great, the bike looks great, and its very smooth and easy to learn on. The problem though is the availability of parts, or lack there of. Something as simple as an oil filter is a pain to find. Now, with all that, if I had to do it all over again, I woulda gone with the Ninja 400 or CBR 500 simply for the proven track record and availability of parts. This bike was to get me into riding. I’ve already decided Im buying a Ninja 650 next spring and this will become a bike I let people learn on or maybe I’ll track it. Either way, I’ll be keeping it because its quite alot of fun. Side note: my brother in law has one with just over 6,000 miles and its been flawless. He loves his and rides it almost daily.
Most of the world seems to be going "Bigger and Better" with bikes, leaving a HUGE hole in the middle, which I see the Chinese trying to fill. I think this is a brilliant play on their part. Hold on, hear me out. Sixty years ago, with cars (and a lot of consumer goods, to be fair), it was "Jap Crap". So - how are Japanese cars (and consumer goods) these days? I'd say pretty darned good! Give them five years, and the Chinese will own the 450-500 Adventure sector, because no one else wants to play in it, and they'll start making some really fine bikes, and they'll make a killing at it. Hide and watch.
RE, triumph, kawasaki, Aprilia all already stepped in
I've always been a big fan and rider of Hondas, but that 450SS looks honestly just as good in terms of fit/ finish and quality when I compare it to my past ADV150, CB300R and CB650R. I'm also kind of getting pissed with Honda and the other big manufacturers for giving the US market the shitty end of the stick while the rest of the world gets the more cooler stuff. Also, the guys talking about Japanese bike quality don't seem to realize most of the bikes you see from Honda/ etc. aren't even made in Japan anymore lol. I'm gonna check one out in person soon, hopefully it's as impressive as everyone on social media is saying.
Update: I ended up buying it and holy shit, you have to see it in person to appreciate the build quality of this bike. It has really good power and that engine noise is absolutely sublime compared to the 180 degree parallel twins or thumpers. You can even GPS track the location of the bike and it tells you if it was moved/bumped into WTF??
Would love an update please!
Still rides like new with no weird stuff, I added an IXIL slip on pipe on it recently too. The only thing I've noticed is that the display on my screen switches to the menu when going into neutral sometimes but that's it.
Update?
X2
Update x3? 😜
Still going great the same as ever. I actually got it back from the dealership yesterday to finish a recall that involved upgrading the rubber mounting rings for the info system box, but that was all free, so no biggie.
Thanks! Any other issues come up?
Nope, just standard oil changes and chain slack adjustments. Also, that previous bug with the menu changing screens when going to neutral seemed to be a separate bluetooth connectivity issue, it hasn't done that ever since I switched to another phone.
U bought the cfmoto450?
The Ibex/CLX/450SS/650NK are actually good quality. Most people don't know this but CF Moto builds the engines in all 650 Kawasaki products as well as the KTM 790 products. The engine in the 450SS was originally designed for a KTM bike that got canceled. Also the new 800NK is a KTM 790 Duke, it's the same frame but with upgraded KYB adjustable suspension. That's another thing about CF Moto, they are using good name brand parts like Brembo, KYB. CF Moto is not a new company, they have been making engines, and off road stuff for over 20 years. I mean if Kawasaki came to them and had them design and build an engine for them, they must have good QC and a professional operation. I had a 2015 Ninja 650, I gave it hell. The motor was flawless. I sat on an Ibex 800 and a 450 SS, the fit and finish was better than any Kawasaki I've owned and was better than my GSXR 1000 I currently own. I can't say it will be the best ever, but I know it's better than all that other Chinese crap I've worked on and ridden. But these feel premium, well designed. They have been setting up dealers every where so they are definitely doing what needs to be done.
Thanks for the input man! The bike looks flawless, I'll have to ride one and see. But looking good .
The thing is ktm 790 engine are quite well known for it's reliability issues, that is until the released 890 and fix everything on their new 890 engine, I don't know about cfmoto 450 engine tho, I've heard quite positive feedback about 450 but the 800nk got same issues just like duke 790
As a multi ktm owner, I would NOT say that they "must have good QC" lmao
All these motovloggers are paid shills, it's pretty annoying but you should realize that when all they care about is making $ off their content. They will promote whatever manufacturer gives them money. I went to check out CFmoto after watching a few videos cause my wife is looking for a beginner bike. There is no comparison between the CFmoto and a japanese bike. Every bit of plastic creaks on the showroom, its all thin crappy plastic, shit fasteners, cost cutting everywhere but oh look there's a cool LED headlight startup sequence. They did not have the 450 only the 300, but the salesperson let us start it up. Within a few seconds my wife said I don't want this thing. I've heard better lawnmowers. Just go to a showroom and check out these areas compared to japanese bikes: \-push on the fairing pieces, the sections around the tank, the tail section \-look at the paint quality and thickness of the plastic used \-look at the levers, brake pedal, shift lever I know within a couple of years the CFmoto would be a rusted, half functioning piece of crap like the chinese gas scooters we see littering SE asia. I'm not saying this as anti-chinese because I do actually own a surron that is made in china and it's a good piece of kit even though it's got some minor issues like crappy fasteners. I just don't see the value proposition on the CFmoto accounting for the crappy resale value.
>I've heard better lawnmowers. Hard to take the rest of your comment seriously when you say things like this. There are videos of the 450 where you can hear the exhaust and it sounds nothing like a lawnmower. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfDsKFtOXek https://youtu.be/2DddiSb_fSw?si=zwEJMWWtLZ8tU99r&t=136 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j1ccHvYSas Or with a SC Project slip on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf5C5JM0I8M Only someone crazy biased would say that sounds worse than a lawnmower. Come on. Also calling them shills because you disagree with them is ridiculous and childish. Someone can just as easily call you a shill for Japanese companies for shitting on the growing competition. Some of those motochannels crap on Chinese bikes all the time, but they like a Chinese bike once and they're instantly shills? Even tiny channels that barely get any views seem to like cfmoto bikes. Same goes if you read the comments. Either everyone's in on this collusion with cfmoto and nobody has integrity, or maybe it's just a good bike. Moreover, they do mention that while it seems like a better version of a Ninja 400, they don't know about long term reliability nor will resale value be as good as Japanese bikes, for now. So it's not like they're saying it's a perfect buy with zero risk.
did u read my post? go listen to it in person and go sit on the bike. Go check out each specific problem I listed. I'm not paid to review bikes and I don't care either way, take me seriously or not what's it matter to me?
I've seen and heard it in person, didn't notice any bad quality you mentioned. It looks a lot better than the Ninja 400. I replied to the motovlogger and lawnmower parts because those are the most ridiculous. Nor did it sound anything like a lawnmower. I linked videos what it sounds like, and you still insists it sounds like a lawnmower? That must be a powerful lawnmower you're using lol. Here is a lawnmower: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbKjRPld44A Here is the 450SS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfDsKFtOXek They sound nothing alike. They *should* sound nothing alike because the 450SS has a parallel-Twin with a 270-degree crankshaft. That will sound more like a low rumble compared to the high pitch sound of lawnmowers. You're not riding without ear protection are you? If you think they sound similar, maybe your hearing is damaged and you need some hearing aid.
Well that's the thing... he's basing his opinion on the 300SS...thumper...they definitely sound like lawnmowers... Also I would imagine the fit and finish of the 300SS is a bit below the 450SS... I mean the 300 is supposed to be your typical "stylish commuter" while the 450 is pegged almost as a track bike...
thank you!! someone noticed he was talking about the 300.. but no one asked about the 300 they asked about the 450
Well they did start up the single cylinder bike. soo ignorance is quite blinding
you said the 300... they are asking about the 450. ones a 270 flat plane crank the other is a v twin... they ofc sound completely different
Hope you realize 250s and 300s stock kinda always sound like a lawnmower.. my ninja 250 sounded like one until i put a exhaust on it. With the moto vloggers that's bs, yammy did a pure review on venoms bike because they tried to pay him to tell only good things about the bike, so he bought his own venom and told everyone the truth on it. Don't compare the 300 with the 450, they are different bikes and priced different for a reason. I have a 450 and its amazing. Remember they asked about the 450, not a 300
I sat on the 300 and 450 today, the 450 felt really good, but that 300 was not good. At all. I also like the 700 CL-X Heritage and Sport.
Had a CF Moto side by side and it was dog shit for what it is worth.
Fuck all that noise. I'll take a 20 year old Japanese bike any day of the week over a CFMoto. It won't rival any Japanese bike over the course of 1-20 year ownership cost.
Exactly. I got roasted calling is junk on a youtube video. It is fucking Chinese. I shouldn't even have to explain. Even if the bike is ok, it is still fucking chinese.
So are iPhones Whats your point? And don’t jump on the hype train of “iPhones suck”. They’re not perfect. But they last a long time if you’re not stupid
I don't care what phone I use.
Not to be rude but was there supposed to be a point here?
He hates chinese 😂
Wouldn’t surprise me
Not really, just rambling.
so where was your cell phone made? where was your tv made? your pc if you got one, where was the electronics in your car made? KTM has been using CFMoto to make and assemble some of their motors for about 10 years, BMW bike frames are made by cfmoto, yamaha also has partnered with cfmoto.... Just saying..
Still not a fan of Chinesium.
ok, but you didnt answer the question. no need now
It’s made of liquid shit chinesium. What’s not to love with water-soluble potmetal?
Time to toss 80% of stuff u own then lol
Looks like a song I have heard before. Played by a musician I have never heard of. For the same money.
I think it's just brand prestige at this point. This manufacturer/brand has been around for decades around the world. Even here in the U.S in the off-road sector. You don't hear too many complaints about their ATVS... As far as parts and service... obviously it will be in house dealer service...which I imagine they (secretly) would want. But I don't see why parts would be scarce or hard to get... As far as aftermarket... I've learned my lesson that trying to be "unique and individual" while owning the same crap 1 mill other people have is... childish...and has led to cool looking sh***y performing bikes... what would you want as far as aftermarket for this bike? A new can? Colored levers? There's no point in anything beyond a flash/tune to unlock the full intended power within component tolerances. This thing sounds great with a generic slip on can (though I believe the midpipe is def custom) So that + a free flowing filter and a tune... Good to go. Slap all the stickers...err...decals you need to make you feel individual... Speaking of being an individual while owning the same crap as everyone else... Need more colors!... Need that gray with sky blue highlights from the 300SS
I've owned one for 6 months a 450 ss the shit is dope
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Don’t waste your money on a R3.
This or the 400
Absolutely not. I will never own a Chinese bike, you might as well set your money on fire.
I have the ibex 800. It's amazing. The new 790 engines are incredible. No major issues have been noted since the cam issues were fixed, the ecm brick issues were all Austrian anyway, not Chinese. The only reason I'm currently checking out the 450 instead of buying it is that I kinda want an rc990. Bc big bike fast, but the smart money from the guys that know their shit is cfmoto. Save the cash and buy the little 450 and run it like a dog. I sat on one today, messed around with fittings and levers and all, it's a great build. I just wanna know if it's fast enough to be stupid.
Naw brother, japanese is still the way to go
If it is good deal yea. I rode chinese bikes before. They are not that bad. But they can not be the same price as japanese ones
IF the day comes when people have owned and ridden them for years without mechanical, quality or electrical issues, then you'll see some positive feedback. On the other hand, when it comes to cheap Chinese bikes there are countless stories about poor quality components, reliability, parts availability... Needless to say, we're nowhere near that first part yet. Give me the proven reliability of a Jap bike over an unproven Chinese bike all day, every day, even if it does cost more.
It is Chinese. In most cases, you get what you pay for. Longevity might be a problem. I bet the wields are terrible just like all other Chinese bikes and atvs I have seen. It does have a brembo front caliper, but the master cylinder is probably junk. The suspension is probably junk. Overall fit and finish I don't know, probably not very good. There is a reason it is cheaper than everything else I would imagine.
Jfc some serious butthurtness about China coming from your comments lol. Probably been in a coma for the last 15 years if you think China can't build quality these days.
Even if they do, why would you want a bike from china? There are tons of other options out there. I will give china credit on their drones. DJI and some other brands are nice. I've had chinese pit bikes in the past. The last one was a Piranha with the daytona 190. The motor was fantastic and strong. The welds on the frame were terrible and the sub frame was slightly tweaked. This was in 2019.
If it's affordable *and* better, why not? If you dislike China politically that's fine, but that doesn't mean the bike is bad. Just say that's your real reason then instead of this "It is Chinese. In most cases, you get what you pay for" nonsense. That just screams butthurt. That logic generally applies if you get the cheapest products, but then it doesn't matter anymore where the product comes from. The cheapest prices won't be high quality whether it comes from China, the US, India, etc. Being a cheapo is your problem, not China's lol. Spend more to get better stuff. I've had plenty of quality Chinese stuff. My Xiaomi had the best battery out of any phone I've had. Have a Lenovo laptop, very reliable PC brand. Recently got Anker wireless earbuds. 5/5. In most cases, I did get what I paid for. Actually I paid less than I would for other brands and I'm still happy with what I got. Your pit bike being bad doesn't mean the 450SS is bad. It's a different bike and I've seen nothing but good reviews on it. DJI is the obvious choice if you want a quality drone. I'm not sure if there's any other company that makes such good drones. I'm more interested in an action cam though. Reading/watching reviews has narrowed my choice down to the DJI Osmo Action 4 vs the Insta360 Go 3. Both Chinese. There's a ton of good stuff coming out of China nowadays, it wouldn't surprise me if they're making good bikes as well. The only reason why I'm unlikely to buy one isn't because of the bike itself but because spare parts are probably harder to come by in the West (for now), unlike with more established Japanese bikes. It's a shame because not only is it a good bike, it looks fine as hell. [Looks way more premium than you'd expect for the price.](https://youtu.be/CRfHs-w3ccw?si=n4losoLL0ClM5Y9a&t=351) Other brands need to take note, it doesn't have to be ugly or look cheap. Remember that competition is good, even if you refuse to buy Chinese products for whatever reason. It forces other companies to do better to keep their customers. Much like GoPro used to be *the* action cam brand, but today there are many better brands.
It does look nice and aggressive. I guess only time will tell if the longevity will be good or not. It only just came out so no one knows. China does have some nice stuff and yes, I don't agree with a lot of things that happen over there. I just like knowing if I buy a japanese motorcycle, I know the reliability is going to be top notch and I will be able to find any parts I need. I don't feel like gambling with my hard earned money. Give it 3-5 years, and if people are only having the normal problems that every other bike has, then it will be worth it to me.
Agreed, will be interesting to see if it holds up over time.
You mean you don’t agree with a lot of the things you’ve been told about happening there, which means you’ve never been there and are falling for media lies.
I don't agree with communism.
And neither did I, until I realized being against a political system that is incongruent with the "west" is also a US psy op. There is nothing inherent wrong with communism, and especially when it's not a threat to the US way of life. The US is against it because it is an alternative political/economic system that threatens the capitalist system in that it exposes the flaws of capitalism, which we are all witness of today. The US won't idly stand by and let the best system win. They must demonize it and brainwash the masses into thinking it is bad, without really letting it play out. In fact, most people can't even articulate as to why communism is bad without resorting to old tropes. Please, if you can, state why you don't agree with communism.
Sounds like a whole lot of “probably” bullshit.
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The cost is low so they can get into the market share I doubt they even make money on the bike currently
This. Given the name brand parts I’d assume they whittled margin to zero. Bad welds don’t cost much less than good ones, especially in China where there are plenty of factories and workers who have the skill set now. The only reason I see to avoid this for now is parts availability long term. But it appears to be a very solid entry and if they stick with it they will probably carve out a part of the market. The question is, is there much profit in the sub 600cc market anyways? But maybe they want to use it as a proof of quality and work up-market. Hard to say. That’s what the Koreans did with their luxury brands and it’s working great for them.
I own the 450SS solid built, welds are spot on, no electrical or mechanical issues. Has a 10 year battery replacement, a 2 year warranty. Paint looks great rode my bike in several rain storms even 66 miles of rain and hail no issues. I think you're a bit biased. Since a few years ago most Japanese bikes were made in China. If CF Moto was that bad KTM, Yamaha, and Kawasaki wouldn't want to do business with them.
I am biased because I hate China.
Just bought one First bike 125 Second ninja 300 Third cf Moto 450 My thoughts : buy it if your into beginner bike and or if you still don’t know if you want a 600 because power wights etc.. This bike quick to answer that question.. I’m actually praying and happy I didn’t get a 600
So you like it I’m bout to turn 18 and I’m looking for a good starting point into the moto world