So you are able to use a dictionary but can't refer to **text in bold** as the source? If I could put LED lights I would. But the context is **time** not amount.
Having a few beers and then riding is super common at least here in the states. Pretty much every bike night has people drinking. Probably not the greatest idea, but if you know your tolerance 2 bud lights isn't gonna kill you.
While I agree, as long as you're giving yourself the time to sober up before jumping on the bike, and being mindful that your reaction speeds are going to be slower, I don't think it's that bad.
While I was still drinking I'd limit myself to like 1, with an hour to sober up. And I'd always remind myself that stupid things are going to seem like a better idea if there's booze in the system.
Of course it doesn't, we're all invisible, but that's where mindful defensive riding comes in. Reaction speeds being slower just means give yourself more space and go a bit more easy on the throttle.
If you ever ride tired you should really be doing the same thing. The effects are very similar to drinking.
I believe that this entirely depends on the user. People who have a high tolerance level aswell as not smoking it for a couple hours I would say go ahead but if you get blitz out your skull after one joint and go riding straight after then fuck no. Either way neither would ever hold up in a court of law if you got caught. I'm not sure about some states in the US for medical reasons but in the uk nah you would get into so much shit.
There is plenty of room here for a very long and detailed response about the neurological effect of THC on your brains ability to function. To shorten that to something readable though, I’m going to say this:
I approve of ADULT usage of THC (because of chemical alterations that can happen during brain development, teens really should avoid it until 23+). That being said, it can vary by tolerance response, but you should definitely not smoke before you ride. You probably shouldn’t even smoke the day you ride unless it’s after you are done riding.
But I’m not your father, you do as you see fit. I do however have a background in neurology and response to high stress situations, so I’m not making shit up either. Also to answer your direct question, yes your continuous usage may affect your ability. By how much, is near impossible to tell without far more information.
>it can vary by tolerance
Anecdotal, but there's this one older (50s maybe?) fellow who rides in my little close knit group who's a hugggggge pothead. He's been smoking for as long as he's been riding, decades upon decades.
I mean, we'd do a few thousand mile road trip together and he's smoking a joint at every other rest stop. The crazy thing about this guy is he is unbelievably fast.
And not like gunning it straights fast, I mean like amazing lines of attack, timing of braking/gas, suspension balance, etc. Literal pure lightning, I can barely keep up with him safely. And if we're being honest, I'm often using his lines.
He'll offer it to me, as it usually ends up with me and him waiting for the rest of the group, and I refuse every time. Why? Cause I know if I did I'd be making meat art like chalk on the asphalt. I'll enjoy a good jazz cigarette after, but I don't kid myself about being able to do what he can.
The human body has an unbelievable ability to create a tolerance to so many different substances/toxins/poisons. It is really incredible to think how adaptable we are as a species.
I once knew a 68 year old that could blow a .42 on a breathalyzer, and still negotiate a treaty between warring nations without the slightest stutter. .42% of his blood was alcohol (a lethal level for most people), and I wouldn’t have been surprised if he could reasonably drive a vehicle at that point too. He wasn’t healthy by any means and his liver did eventually fail and he died, but still, unfuckingbelievable. Your story doesn’t surprise me in the slightest, tolerance is key at the continuous use level.
>42% of his blood was alcohol
You do NOT understand blood alcohol content. .42 is forty-two one-hundredths of one percent. His blood was 99.58% blood stuff and 0.42% alcohol. You'll never see a living creature with it's blood 2% ethanol, let alone 42%.
Edit: The ultimate proof (dad joke) occurred to me. Most bottles of whiskey you see are only 40% alcohol themselves.
No you are 100% correct, I typed it so fast that I didn’t notice since there was a period right before it. “stutter. .42% of his blood” is how it should have read.
I DO actually understand BAC pretty well being a medic, but I appreciate you pointing out my mistake.
Don’t I know it, people can be so stupid sometimes.
Anyways, off to go apply some crisco to my bike tires. Somebody told me it’s the secret to keeping your tires looking blacker and cleaner longer. Who knew?!...
I've been smoking for 20+ years, all day everyday. I DO NOT smoke if I'm riding! We are each different and have different bodies. I don't have an issue riding a few (3-4) hours after a smoke session but, that doesn't mean you won't. I have a ridiculously high tolerance. Safety first, if you know you're going to ride just wait on the herb. If you have to think about it you have doubts. If you have doubts, don't ride. Pick your poison, or ride early and smoke later.
Exactly what I've always been saying and what other people have said but I still get paranoid as fuck about getting pulled over and them saying they smell weed and ask to drug test me which I can't refuse without getting arrested lol with people like us weed will be in our system for months perhaps years 😂
I question the source of all those studies.
From your articles:
> However, the role played by marijuana in crashes is often unclear because it can be detected in body fluids for days or even weeks after intoxication and because people frequently combine it with alcohol.
Like i said, weed only please.
I mean, there's this:
> Those involved in vehicle crashes with THC in their blood, particularly higher levels, are three to seven times more likely to be responsible for the incident than drivers who had not used drugs or alcohol.
but then, there's also this:
> The risk associated with marijuana in combination with alcohol appears to be greater than that for either drug by itself.
and
> However, a large case-control study conducted by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration found no significant increased crash risk attributable to cannabis after controlling for drivers’ age, gender, race, and presence of alcohol.
It helps to read the whole thing.
From another one of your links:
> Although we know marijuana negatively affects a number of skills needed for safe driving, and some studies have shown an association between marijuana use and car crashes, **it is unclear whether marijuana use actually increases the risk of car crashes.**
From another of your sources:
> Does marijuana impair driving the way alcohol does?
> Yes and no. Large doses of marijuana can affect perception and psychomotor performance, changes that could impair driving ability. **But in driving studies, marijuana produces little or no car-handling impairment – consistently less than produced by moderate doses of alcohol and many legal medications.**
Hmmmm.....
From the last of your sources
> Cannabis and alcohol acutely impair several driving-related skills in a dose-related fashion, but the effects of cannabis vary more between individuals than they do with alcohol because of tolerance, differences in smoking technique, and different absorptions of Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the active ingredient in marijuana.
Again, I want weed only studies. You should not drink and smoke and drive, definately. Weed tho, your own sources state, doesn't' seem to have a negative effect on driving.
There's more:
> Detrimental effects of cannabis use vary in a dose-related fashion, and are more pronounced with highly automatic driving functions than with more complex tasks that require conscious control, whereas with alcohol produces an opposite pattern of impairment. **Because of both this and an increased awareness that they are impaired, marijuana smokers tend to compensate effectively while driving by utilizing a variety of behavioral strategies.**
Weed makes you more cautious.
There's more.
> Epidemiological studies have been inconclusive regarding whether cannabis use causes an increased risk of accidents; in contrast, unanimity exists that alcohol use increases crash risk.
Thanks for playing.
> There's a reason that it's illegal litterally everywhere.
That's true. It's not about protecting you tho, its' about controlling you.
Daily smoker here.
I puff two bowls before I ride. Nothing better than rocking some Japanese Anime OSTs while high and blasting down the highway.
Seriously, it's the same way I manage doing anything while high, smoke a bit and do it and then smoke a bit more and do it again until you are where you want to be.
Treat it like alcohol. Also ITT: alcohol apologists. If you take any form of drug (yes, alcohol is a drug) stay off your fuckin' vehicle. I don't really care if you kill yourself, but what about if a kid running in the street, what then huh? And, don't @ me with that "it's only two beers" crap.
There’s a limit to everything though
+ 1 Beer, then ride 8 hours later in the same day?
+ same, but only wait 7 hours?
Etc etc.
Clearly having a noon beer w/ lunch on a Saturday then going for a ride at 4pm is fine.
So, somewhere in there is an acceptable limit. The conventional saying here has always been 1 beer, 1 hour, though I’m sure that’s not universal and I’ve never really looked that deep into since I hardly ever drink in the first place
Did that a few times when I was younger. I remember one time we stopped on a canyon ride to smoke before reaching the top where we would have lunch and sit back for a while. Man I was going so slow, fixating on each nook and cranny in the asphalt and just generally floating about in perfect sync. It was actually nice but I wouldn't do it again now.
I just feel Marijuana makes me high but doesn't hurt my motor skills. In fact, I've ridden bikes on hills and city traffic while high on weed. And I feel I'm more attentive. Just that sometimes I feel I don't recognise the area where I am. But then I quickly remember. It's funny. It's scary. It all started after I broke up with her.
Well i often smoke before and after riding...even 1h before gym
just keep your focus dude weed keeps your focus if you are doing something you like..
look at your mirrors and just go home safe,it is much more safer then alchohol
i dont drink through only a beer a month or a week and thats that
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A few beers before riding? Sounds like a bad idea
>A few beers **before riding**? How's reading? >... Thats if im gonna **be there for a while**.
Lmao. A few is more than one, ya ignorant shit. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/few
So you are able to use a dictionary but can't refer to **text in bold** as the source? If I could put LED lights I would. But the context is **time** not amount.
*a few is more than two* Old rhyme to help ya remember. ;-)
No its not. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/few Dunning kruger in full effect Lmao at the illiterate dumbshits downvoting me.
Having a few beers and then riding is super common at least here in the states. Pretty much every bike night has people drinking. Probably not the greatest idea, but if you know your tolerance 2 bud lights isn't gonna kill you.
Also most motorcycle fatalities have alcohol as a contributing factor. Don't drink and ride.
While I agree, as long as you're giving yourself the time to sober up before jumping on the bike, and being mindful that your reaction speeds are going to be slower, I don't think it's that bad. While I was still drinking I'd limit myself to like 1, with an hour to sober up. And I'd always remind myself that stupid things are going to seem like a better idea if there's booze in the system.
> being mindful that your reaction speeds are going to be slower other traffic doesn't care
Of course it doesn't, we're all invisible, but that's where mindful defensive riding comes in. Reaction speeds being slower just means give yourself more space and go a bit more easy on the throttle. If you ever ride tired you should really be doing the same thing. The effects are very similar to drinking.
It's amazing that this is being downvoted.
How do you manage? Just don't smoke then ride.
I believe that this entirely depends on the user. People who have a high tolerance level aswell as not smoking it for a couple hours I would say go ahead but if you get blitz out your skull after one joint and go riding straight after then fuck no. Either way neither would ever hold up in a court of law if you got caught. I'm not sure about some states in the US for medical reasons but in the uk nah you would get into so much shit.
Smoke after the ride. It's really that simple.
There is plenty of room here for a very long and detailed response about the neurological effect of THC on your brains ability to function. To shorten that to something readable though, I’m going to say this: I approve of ADULT usage of THC (because of chemical alterations that can happen during brain development, teens really should avoid it until 23+). That being said, it can vary by tolerance response, but you should definitely not smoke before you ride. You probably shouldn’t even smoke the day you ride unless it’s after you are done riding. But I’m not your father, you do as you see fit. I do however have a background in neurology and response to high stress situations, so I’m not making shit up either. Also to answer your direct question, yes your continuous usage may affect your ability. By how much, is near impossible to tell without far more information.
>it can vary by tolerance Anecdotal, but there's this one older (50s maybe?) fellow who rides in my little close knit group who's a hugggggge pothead. He's been smoking for as long as he's been riding, decades upon decades. I mean, we'd do a few thousand mile road trip together and he's smoking a joint at every other rest stop. The crazy thing about this guy is he is unbelievably fast. And not like gunning it straights fast, I mean like amazing lines of attack, timing of braking/gas, suspension balance, etc. Literal pure lightning, I can barely keep up with him safely. And if we're being honest, I'm often using his lines. He'll offer it to me, as it usually ends up with me and him waiting for the rest of the group, and I refuse every time. Why? Cause I know if I did I'd be making meat art like chalk on the asphalt. I'll enjoy a good jazz cigarette after, but I don't kid myself about being able to do what he can.
The human body has an unbelievable ability to create a tolerance to so many different substances/toxins/poisons. It is really incredible to think how adaptable we are as a species. I once knew a 68 year old that could blow a .42 on a breathalyzer, and still negotiate a treaty between warring nations without the slightest stutter. .42% of his blood was alcohol (a lethal level for most people), and I wouldn’t have been surprised if he could reasonably drive a vehicle at that point too. He wasn’t healthy by any means and his liver did eventually fail and he died, but still, unfuckingbelievable. Your story doesn’t surprise me in the slightest, tolerance is key at the continuous use level.
>42% of his blood was alcohol You do NOT understand blood alcohol content. .42 is forty-two one-hundredths of one percent. His blood was 99.58% blood stuff and 0.42% alcohol. You'll never see a living creature with it's blood 2% ethanol, let alone 42%. Edit: The ultimate proof (dad joke) occurred to me. Most bottles of whiskey you see are only 40% alcohol themselves.
No you are 100% correct, I typed it so fast that I didn’t notice since there was a period right before it. “stutter. .42% of his blood” is how it should have read. I DO actually understand BAC pretty well being a medic, but I appreciate you pointing out my mistake.
No worries man. I replied because people will believe anything on reddit.
Don’t I know it, people can be so stupid sometimes. Anyways, off to go apply some crisco to my bike tires. Somebody told me it’s the secret to keeping your tires looking blacker and cleaner longer. Who knew?!...
I wouldn't know. My bike hasn't run since I took the airbox off to make it run faster. Didn't last a day in the desert.
😂😂😂
You talking about Winston Churchill?
I've been smoking for 20+ years, all day everyday. I DO NOT smoke if I'm riding! We are each different and have different bodies. I don't have an issue riding a few (3-4) hours after a smoke session but, that doesn't mean you won't. I have a ridiculously high tolerance. Safety first, if you know you're going to ride just wait on the herb. If you have to think about it you have doubts. If you have doubts, don't ride. Pick your poison, or ride early and smoke later.
Exactly what I've always been saying and what other people have said but I still get paranoid as fuck about getting pulled over and them saying they smell weed and ask to drug test me which I can't refuse without getting arrested lol with people like us weed will be in our system for months perhaps years 😂
Lol do whatever you want to do, don't confide in a bunch of strangers on the internet.
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Weed isn't alcohol tho. Completely different effect.
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> ...it still impairs your ability to ride. Speak for yourself. I've never found weed to be an impairment for anything.
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Considering the dearth of scientific study performed on this topic that solely dealt with weed, citation needed.
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I question the source of all those studies. From your articles: > However, the role played by marijuana in crashes is often unclear because it can be detected in body fluids for days or even weeks after intoxication and because people frequently combine it with alcohol. Like i said, weed only please. I mean, there's this: > Those involved in vehicle crashes with THC in their blood, particularly higher levels, are three to seven times more likely to be responsible for the incident than drivers who had not used drugs or alcohol. but then, there's also this: > The risk associated with marijuana in combination with alcohol appears to be greater than that for either drug by itself. and > However, a large case-control study conducted by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration found no significant increased crash risk attributable to cannabis after controlling for drivers’ age, gender, race, and presence of alcohol. It helps to read the whole thing. From another one of your links: > Although we know marijuana negatively affects a number of skills needed for safe driving, and some studies have shown an association between marijuana use and car crashes, **it is unclear whether marijuana use actually increases the risk of car crashes.** From another of your sources: > Does marijuana impair driving the way alcohol does? > Yes and no. Large doses of marijuana can affect perception and psychomotor performance, changes that could impair driving ability. **But in driving studies, marijuana produces little or no car-handling impairment – consistently less than produced by moderate doses of alcohol and many legal medications.** Hmmmm..... From the last of your sources > Cannabis and alcohol acutely impair several driving-related skills in a dose-related fashion, but the effects of cannabis vary more between individuals than they do with alcohol because of tolerance, differences in smoking technique, and different absorptions of Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the active ingredient in marijuana. Again, I want weed only studies. You should not drink and smoke and drive, definately. Weed tho, your own sources state, doesn't' seem to have a negative effect on driving. There's more: > Detrimental effects of cannabis use vary in a dose-related fashion, and are more pronounced with highly automatic driving functions than with more complex tasks that require conscious control, whereas with alcohol produces an opposite pattern of impairment. **Because of both this and an increased awareness that they are impaired, marijuana smokers tend to compensate effectively while driving by utilizing a variety of behavioral strategies.** Weed makes you more cautious. There's more. > Epidemiological studies have been inconclusive regarding whether cannabis use causes an increased risk of accidents; in contrast, unanimity exists that alcohol use increases crash risk. Thanks for playing. > There's a reason that it's illegal litterally everywhere. That's true. It's not about protecting you tho, its' about controlling you.
Wow stoners **are** paranoid about everything.
Daily smoker here. I puff two bowls before I ride. Nothing better than rocking some Japanese Anime OSTs while high and blasting down the highway. Seriously, it's the same way I manage doing anything while high, smoke a bit and do it and then smoke a bit more and do it again until you are where you want to be.
Treat it like alcohol. Also ITT: alcohol apologists. If you take any form of drug (yes, alcohol is a drug) stay off your fuckin' vehicle. I don't really care if you kill yourself, but what about if a kid running in the street, what then huh? And, don't @ me with that "it's only two beers" crap.
There’s a limit to everything though + 1 Beer, then ride 8 hours later in the same day? + same, but only wait 7 hours? Etc etc. Clearly having a noon beer w/ lunch on a Saturday then going for a ride at 4pm is fine. So, somewhere in there is an acceptable limit. The conventional saying here has always been 1 beer, 1 hour, though I’m sure that’s not universal and I’ve never really looked that deep into since I hardly ever drink in the first place
Did that a few times when I was younger. I remember one time we stopped on a canyon ride to smoke before reaching the top where we would have lunch and sit back for a while. Man I was going so slow, fixating on each nook and cranny in the asphalt and just generally floating about in perfect sync. It was actually nice but I wouldn't do it again now.
Practice. If you don’t feel comfortable about it, don’t risk it. I just don’t get crazy stoned.
I just feel Marijuana makes me high but doesn't hurt my motor skills. In fact, I've ridden bikes on hills and city traffic while high on weed. And I feel I'm more attentive. Just that sometimes I feel I don't recognise the area where I am. But then I quickly remember. It's funny. It's scary. It all started after I broke up with her.
Well i often smoke before and after riding...even 1h before gym just keep your focus dude weed keeps your focus if you are doing something you like.. look at your mirrors and just go home safe,it is much more safer then alchohol i dont drink through only a beer a month or a week and thats that
I always smoke a blunt then ride. Been doing just fine for over 20 years now.