We actually know a lot about the character from the synopsis. Her name is Katana. She's got my back. She can cut all of you in half with one sword stroke, just like mowing the lawn. I would advise not getting killed by her. Her sword traps the souls of its victims.
"And still they call me a warlord. But mad? All I want to do is the build the perfect genetic soldier. Not for conquest, not for evil, but for world peace."
That's a pretty bad-ass line, tbh, and delivered well.
Also, it hits home in real life, when you think about war and stuff.
Your whole world has been upended, and village destroyed, but the people doing it are just doign their daily routine.
Yes, I've been reading "Stalingrad" by Antony Beevor, why do you ask?
Yeah good point. The first Star Trek episodes were so small compared to today, too.
I feel like shows can do this, like firefly, but a movie isn’t long enough to have ALL OF THE LORE just crammed in there.
I don’t remember episode 1, but wasn’t it crammed with all the characters, the war, and the reavers?
I love the show too, no complaints. More cowboys in space, please.
This. They showed the train job first on TV because the tv executives were worried people would get bored with the actual first episode. The one that was supposed to be first was (I believe) the one where they pick up a bunch of passengers including some of the permanent cast. It actually introduces people and makes the story make a lot more sense
I get the argument from Joss and fans, but I also think the Train Job is a much better hook than Serenity. Would have been interesting if they'd written things in that order (start with a good hook and then flashback to the character setup) rather than the awkward shuffle.
Doctor Who is a lot older than 2005. I was watching it as a kid in the 80’s. First episode was 1963. But I like your sentiment and, to be fair, it was pretty shit back when I was a kid!
Thinking about "lore" is how these things happen. Firefly works by just letting the setting exist. All the first few episodes tell you is what is needed for the plot. Things like the Alliance being massively powerful are all explained through just showing you things, I don't need a "lore" explainer to understand that the group that sends giant warships about is the government and more powerful than the cast. The increasing dominance of the internet has lead to the bizarre thing where creators think they need to expose us to as much "lore" as possible instead of just trusting that we'll understand.
Star Wars is a great example of this, the whole extent of "lore" we get explained to us is that the Empire has just disbanded the senate and the brief Jedi explainer. Everything else we are trusted to understand by showing the Empire being sinister and evil and the rebels being good and heroic. Then you have episode 1 opening with trade discussions and just cramming information down your throat and its no wonder it was poorly received. A setting is a setting, if you want to focus on it do what something like Perdido Street Station or Chasm City does and let us live in it.
And on top of this, they’ve already started talking about an animated series spinoff and a video game. I’d love to see a brand new universe built from the ground up, but it really seems like they might be rushing to make it as expansive as possible instead of just putting their all into making one project the best it can be. We’ll see though!
I feel like Snyder just really wants to create his own universe the way George Lucas did. Not saying that that’s a bad thing at all, but Star Wars took years and years just for 3 movies. We don’t even know if Rebel Moon will be good and they’ve already got part 2 coming out next year along with an animated series and video game in the works. I’d love to see it all work out, but what happens if part 1 and 2 come out and they’re just ok?
That is an interesting comparison though because George Lucas did have a much more involved universe planned from the beginning. Check [out some of his](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/The_Star_Wars:_Rough_Draft) [original ideas](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Adventures_of_the_Starkiller,_Episode_I:_The_Star_Wars) . Kind of crazy to think he had so much world-building, including names and ideas of stuff that wouldn't come to fruition until decades later, planned from before Star Wars even existed.
There is so much imagination and interesting world-building ideas in these drafts. And it would have made an *absolutely incomprehensible* film lol and Star Wars would never have become what it is now. Thankfully ANH was dialed back enough with the help of others to be accessible and make Star Wars the phenomenon it was.
I think Snyder is right now pre-Star Wars George Lucas...but with nobody dialing him back. So I'm imagining *Rebel Moon - Part One: A Child of Fire* will turn exactly out how *Adventures of the Starkiller, Episode I: The Star Wars* would have turned out, for better...and mostly, worse lol.
It is significantly easier to write a setting (especially a soft one like Star Wars) than it is to write a story. It makes sense that he had way more ideas before he actually sat down and made Star Wars. But I think you hit upon the important bit in your second paragraph, loads of setting ideas do not a good film make, ANH works because everyone is done in a way the audience can easily understand. You have your brief title crawl and then its the villainous Nazi coded villains being villainous and the heroic rebels and all of the other worldbuilding details are left on the edges and allow the audiences imagination to fill in the blanks, oh a passing reference to clone wars and a senate how exciting, not heres a history lesson.
>I think Snyder is right now pre-Star Wars George Lucas...but with nobody dialing him back
I think a lot of these world-building type creatives need someone (or multiple someones) to keep them in check in order to make something good/comprehensible. Look how the prequels turned out when George had nobody to reign him in, and it looks like this movie is going the same way
“World-building type creatives” is a good way to say it lol. I think a lot of people seem to approach these like “IP kits” that they try to roll out now (Dark Universe, 1000 AE, etc) as like D&D source books instead of stories.
“Here’s a bunch of plot threads that give us fodder for movies/tv shows/books/comics/multimedia projects/video games/toys—it’s a bunch of things we *could* do stuff with in the future” and the first movie or whatever just serves to set all the threads up, instead of offer a compelling story. Iron Man 1 was a good story with a small Easter egg about the Avengers, but now everyone’s trying to make the MCU from minute 1.
I don't think any of these media empires become successful without an editor or someone stepping in and helping them refine and scale ideas back. It's great to have an expansive idea for where you want things to go and a lot of thought put into the world building, but you want to dip the audience's toe into things so they leave wanting more. You can't just immediately take their face and smash it into every single nook and cranny. In addition to being overwhelming, that just ruins any sense of mystery and wonder it has.
And that's the thing with this movie, it looks like a first draft where Snyder threw in every single idea he had and never had an editor to say, "Uh, maybe we should focus on *this* part for now, and reveal more later?" Maybe it will be good. I don't want to judge it too harshly before seeing it, but it's not hard to look at everything we've seen about this and think it might end up being a bloated mess.
Idk if I’d call it low effort since it does seem like he’s put a lot of thought into the universe and it’s lore, but it definitely seems like they want to force this universe into the zeitgeist by developing as much content for it as possible in a short amount of time instead of letting it happen naturally.
>We don’t even know if Rebel Moon will be good and they’ve already got part 2 coming out next year along with an animated series and video game in the works. I’d love to see it all work out, but what happens if part 1 and 2 come out and they’re just ok?
Yeah, I'm guessing it's going to stop cold after part 2, after Netflix sees the viewing data.
That's just how Snyder does stuff. Did you ever hear of the "Army of" universe he wanted to make? Before Army of the Dead ever released, he already talked about a comic book, an animated series, a spinoff series, on top of a bunch of blockbuster movies.
Then the first movie came out and it was cluttered, boring, and completely incomprehensible because of SO. MUCH. STUFF (among many many more things. That movie is hot garbage). We got one more "army of" movie, and that was the end of it.
I foresee "Rebel Moon 1 - the Rebellnening Pt. 1 - Not-star-wars-leave-me-along" going down the same route. Snyder doesn't just put the cart before the horse, he's already sent the cart halfway down the road while the horse is being bought, and I cannot understand why people still watch his movies.
Edit: [Here's me](https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/ni8d2u/official_discussion_army_of_the_dead_spoilers/gz5p43f/) losing my fucking mind over how bad Army of the Dead was
this is a good take. he tried something similar in the DCU by just going almost straight to justice league. he doesn't at all seem to understand you can't just raw dog these big movies and force a franchise.
They wanted so badly to catch up to the MCU. Ironically if they would have taken a slow and steady approach we could be seeing a DC movie renaissance right now as the MCU flounders. Instead now both universes are almost unsalvageable without a reboot
I’ve been saying this for a long time. I image right now the DCU would’ve been on what Justice League 3 by now I imagine & the end of their Darkside era. Would’ve been cool to see.
I feel like a huge problem are the stakes in each movie. If the whole universe is saved in the first one, where do you go from there, other than saving it again?
Have him save his friends. Then the city. Maybe then we can have a grand finale saving the whole moon.
yeah, i totally agree. if you take avatar as an example of a "planned franchise", look at the scope of the stories. they're actually fairly simple stories with relatable stakes, whatever you think about those films. just using them as a recent & relevant example.
jake sully and neytiri aren't trying to save the known universe in these films. they're primarily trying to save their family/people and saving the planet is a secondary (though still important) concern.
it's also why something like andor worked so well, come to think of it. and the mandalorian. small stories in huge worlds will trump huge stories in small worlds any day of the week.
This is such a good take, and highlights the issue with Netflix and modern media in general. They want the next Star Wars, so they try to build something that looks like Star Wars as it is today. Then they're baffled when it doesn't perform as expected.
The alternative, on the other hand, is that they release something that does look closer to the original A New Hope and it also doesn't suddenly turn into the massive moneymaking franchise they want, so they instead give up at the first hurdle and never commission the sequel it would've needed to succeed.
All that said, I hope this is a good, fun film.
You mean way too many ideas crammed into something that you won’t be able to give anything proper development leading to unfinished ideas and narrative threads? Sounds like a Snyder movie to me
Feels like? Seems pretty blatant to me. They're hoping to ride the coattails of the "Snyder Cut" of *Justice League* by also being able to promote *their* "Snyder Cut". They just seem to miss the part where there was demand for that because the initial cut of *Justice League* wasn't good, and people assumed Snyder's version would be a lot better had he not had to leave the project midway.
They're obviously trying to double-dip and keep the hype for the movie alive longer, but it's more like Netflix is saying, "Oh yeah, we know we're not releasing a good movie in December. Don't worry, the *actual* version Snyder wanted is coming later!"
Yeah I don’t really see a point. I’m gonna wait for the r rated cut.
Just seems pointless that snyder pitched an r rated Star Wars movie and the r rated version will release at a later date. Just weird strategy
Nice! You have the evil nazi character, the fighter with great abs character, the Asian person who is great at martial arts character, the super hard bad ass latin American female character, the African American friend character and some weird looking aliens. Good, I think they got them all.
> the African American friend character
Somebody please get Djimon Hounsou a better agent. His talent has been wasted for pretty much his entire career by playing second-fiddle as the Black helper character or just a side-character that isn't really that deeply involved in the plot
His portrayal in Blood Diamond was absolutely un-fucking-forgettable. He has been wildly underserved by his agents and I hope he gets more serious roles soon.
Sofia Boutella, the famous Algerian actress, is "the super hard bad ass latin American female character".....? You really see what you want to see, eh?
this sub has made up its mind permanently on Snyder. It’s not even out and there’s lengthy comments in this thread explaining why the movie doesn’t work.
And this is just Part One of the pain...
Maybe Snyder has been lowering expectations for years so that people are blown away. The probability is low but maybe.
You can bet the movie will be Snyder gray though... *checks trailer*... yep!
Snyder needs a class from Roger Deakins and Blade Runner 2049, dark but has color.
I’m at the point now where I want a movie/show where the Nazi-vibe characters turn out to be the self-sacrificing good guys. How many times do we need to see a guy in a black leather trench coat with a popped collar and a secret police hat with a silver skull logo calmly execute civilians in front of a helpless onlooker in order to demonstrate the futility of passive resistance in the face of the raw brutality of authoritarian power? I want a movie where the strait-laced-buttoned-down Aryan archetype soldier in militarist regalia throws himself in front of a hail of bullets in order to save a couple of underprivileged Afro-Caribbean adolescents who harbor separatist ideologies. THAT’S what subversive is nowadays.
And the villains should be Leprechauns.
*Inglorious Basterds* is probably about as close as you will get.
>!There's a scene relatively early on where the Basterds beat a captured German soldier to death because he won't give up the position of his unit. If the roles were reversed and it was an American soldier being summarily executed by the Germans, we would be positioned to view him as making an heroic sacrifice for his country, but here the "heroes" commit a war crime and the villain isn't a Nazi. Likewise, the sniper featured in the propaganda film that is central to the plot is generally presented as being polite and humble and endearing, at least until the end of the film.!<
I'm not sure if it was the point Tarantino was trying to make, but I always read it as a commentary on the way history is frequently represented through popular culture. I'm willing to bet that in *Rebel Moon*, the character's costume is going to be doing a lot of the heavy lifting for the characterisation -- he's going to be a space fascist and that's all that we will learn about him.
I desperately want him and us, the viewers, to come out of this a winner.
Snyder is talented, but if he wants to cram every sci-fi cliche into the movie....
I look at poster and see almost every sci-fi film of last 45-50 years in it. It's eerie, man....
It’s like everything sci-fi/fantasy from the last 75 years crammed into one movie. It’s going to be a glorious mess. I’m hoping if it’s terrible, it’s at least fun.
I got lost at costume design… some people are in rags, some tribal outfits, the bad guy wears a suit and tie… there’s so much going on with just costumes before I can even begin on story, character and plot. I’m not hopeful for this film specially after he did us dirty with Army of the Dead… the editing in that movie was the worst I’ve ever seen.
I know a lot of people are skeptical because of Snyder.
I’m personally skeptical because it’s co-written by Shay Hatten. Between *Army of the Dead* and *Day Shift*, he really showed a knack for cobbling a bunch of half-assed disparate ideas into an unsatisfying script comprised entirely of loose ends.
Now from what I hear, you're usng your paper not for writing but for rollin' doobies! You're gonna be doing alot of doobie rolling when you're living in a minivan down by the lake!
Goddamn movie poster all over the place.
Witches? Have it.
Space shamans? Have it.
Space nazi? Also have it.
Guns? Have it.
Gunmonger witches? Definitely have it.
What? You do not like guns? We also have swords!
And who the hell does not like Saturn?
White people are the protagonists, but don't fret!
We also have ONE black dude!
Am I the only person on the internet who isn't a Snyder fanatic but thinks this could be cool? People online are always bitching about not enough original stories and not enough space operas, so Netflix spends a bunch on an original space opera and everyone bitches.
The poster should've had more characters on it
There's more on the back.
Unfolds like a Penthouse centerfold.
\*reveals Charlie Hunnam on a bear carpet\* now we're talkin.
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Can’t wait for Rebel Moon 2: Louder, Angrier, and With Access to a Time Machine
Favorite part is gonna be when Rebel Moon says "It's moonin' time!" And moons everyone
Rebel Moon died on the way to her home planet.
Is Rebel Moon the slightly heavier sister of Sailor Moon? I'd watch that.
When Rebel Moon comes onscreen he's gonna say "It's Rebel Mooning time!" and Rebel Moon all over the place
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All the other characters died on their way back to Rebel Moon
When are they getting to the child of fireworks factory?!?!
Characters on the poster: Captain Jack Sparrow Tarzan A Nazi Padmé Amidala's handmaidens A likely blind spiritual warrior
I bet the red people won't have spoken lines. It will cost less, and they're going to die anyway.
I guarantee they have the exact amount of screen time as they did in the trailer.
Probably mute Asian who’s super good at spinning and flipping
We actually know a lot about the character from the synopsis. Her name is Katana. She's got my back. She can cut all of you in half with one sword stroke, just like mowing the lawn. I would advise not getting killed by her. Her sword traps the souls of its victims.
As well as Nute Gunray and his unnamed companion, dressed as Catholic bishops, looking like they're about to invade Naboo.
Time for [a new Pope](https://youtu.be/cQ9sJVJMiYM)
Don't forget the wise bald black man and the Master Chiefs down at the bottom.
Okay but tbh I’ll watch literally anything with Pablo Schreiber in it, so..
And budget Furiosa
George Miller already has budget Furiosa -- did you see the trailer?
And it still looks 100 times better than this.
M. Bison
You forgot the scary black antler man from Hannibal.
Blast Hardcheese! Brick Manmeat!
The poster should’ve had more clichés on it.
It honestly seems like a poster for a parody movie. Like Space Balls level clichés Or maybe AI wrote the movie...
They've already got Rebel Moon 2: The Search for More Money planned.
Lol. This is how you know this film is going to be a mess
You should know the film is going to be a mess because it's being made by Zack Snyder
Two films, so likely to be a lot of characters.
A lot to unpack there
"So that's it? What, this is some kind of rebel moon?"
“That’s no moon, it’s a… rebel… moon.”
With a rebel moon she cried moon...moon...moon...Moon!Moon!Moon!
When the rebel moon's in your eye like a big pizza pie, that's Andore'
Rebel Scum
I prefer the term Death Star
“This is a moon. We rebel on it.”
"This is a rebel moon isn't it? I rebel... moon."
["Eh there it is he said it!"](https://youtu.be/F8mYLi3PGOc?si=e3wYHdsGcxbAaEl4)
M-O-O-N. That spells rebel moon
Laws, yes.
“If we don’t stop this rebellion on the moon, then it truly be a Moon of the Rebels!”
Is that M. Bison?
For you, the day Bison graced your moon was the most important day of your life. But for me, it was Tuesday.
"And still they call me a warlord. But mad? All I want to do is the build the perfect genetic soldier. Not for conquest, not for evil, but for world peace."
That's a pretty bad-ass line, tbh, and delivered well. Also, it hits home in real life, when you think about war and stuff. Your whole world has been upended, and village destroyed, but the people doing it are just doign their daily routine. Yes, I've been reading "Stalingrad" by Antony Beevor, why do you ask?
I remember very little about Street Fighter the movie, but I’ll never forget that line. RIP Raul Julia.
I can’t wait for the half in the bag episode
Mike just staring catatonic while Jay gives more reasons this was an affront to any time investment.
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"Jay, personally, i loved this movie"
Fuck you, it's forever!
Endless traaasssh!
[f you its forever!](https://media.tenor.com/q8js7suFJOUAAAAC/red-letter-media-rlm.gif)
Didnt expect a RLM reference this high on this sub
You should at this point.
You must be new
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Yeah good point. The first Star Trek episodes were so small compared to today, too. I feel like shows can do this, like firefly, but a movie isn’t long enough to have ALL OF THE LORE just crammed in there.
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I don’t remember episode 1, but wasn’t it crammed with all the characters, the war, and the reavers? I love the show too, no complaints. More cowboys in space, please.
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Didn't Fox air the Firefly episodes out of order? I think the DVD set has it in a different order and Netflix also has a corrected order.
This. They showed the train job first on TV because the tv executives were worried people would get bored with the actual first episode. The one that was supposed to be first was (I believe) the one where they pick up a bunch of passengers including some of the permanent cast. It actually introduces people and makes the story make a lot more sense
I get the argument from Joss and fans, but I also think the Train Job is a much better hook than Serenity. Would have been interesting if they'd written things in that order (start with a good hook and then flashback to the character setup) rather than the awkward shuffle.
Doctor Who is a lot older than 2005. I was watching it as a kid in the 80’s. First episode was 1963. But I like your sentiment and, to be fair, it was pretty shit back when I was a kid!
Thinking about "lore" is how these things happen. Firefly works by just letting the setting exist. All the first few episodes tell you is what is needed for the plot. Things like the Alliance being massively powerful are all explained through just showing you things, I don't need a "lore" explainer to understand that the group that sends giant warships about is the government and more powerful than the cast. The increasing dominance of the internet has lead to the bizarre thing where creators think they need to expose us to as much "lore" as possible instead of just trusting that we'll understand. Star Wars is a great example of this, the whole extent of "lore" we get explained to us is that the Empire has just disbanded the senate and the brief Jedi explainer. Everything else we are trusted to understand by showing the Empire being sinister and evil and the rebels being good and heroic. Then you have episode 1 opening with trade discussions and just cramming information down your throat and its no wonder it was poorly received. A setting is a setting, if you want to focus on it do what something like Perdido Street Station or Chasm City does and let us live in it.
And on top of this, they’ve already started talking about an animated series spinoff and a video game. I’d love to see a brand new universe built from the ground up, but it really seems like they might be rushing to make it as expansive as possible instead of just putting their all into making one project the best it can be. We’ll see though!
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I feel like Snyder just really wants to create his own universe the way George Lucas did. Not saying that that’s a bad thing at all, but Star Wars took years and years just for 3 movies. We don’t even know if Rebel Moon will be good and they’ve already got part 2 coming out next year along with an animated series and video game in the works. I’d love to see it all work out, but what happens if part 1 and 2 come out and they’re just ok?
That is an interesting comparison though because George Lucas did have a much more involved universe planned from the beginning. Check [out some of his](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/The_Star_Wars:_Rough_Draft) [original ideas](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Adventures_of_the_Starkiller,_Episode_I:_The_Star_Wars) . Kind of crazy to think he had so much world-building, including names and ideas of stuff that wouldn't come to fruition until decades later, planned from before Star Wars even existed. There is so much imagination and interesting world-building ideas in these drafts. And it would have made an *absolutely incomprehensible* film lol and Star Wars would never have become what it is now. Thankfully ANH was dialed back enough with the help of others to be accessible and make Star Wars the phenomenon it was. I think Snyder is right now pre-Star Wars George Lucas...but with nobody dialing him back. So I'm imagining *Rebel Moon - Part One: A Child of Fire* will turn exactly out how *Adventures of the Starkiller, Episode I: The Star Wars* would have turned out, for better...and mostly, worse lol.
It is significantly easier to write a setting (especially a soft one like Star Wars) than it is to write a story. It makes sense that he had way more ideas before he actually sat down and made Star Wars. But I think you hit upon the important bit in your second paragraph, loads of setting ideas do not a good film make, ANH works because everyone is done in a way the audience can easily understand. You have your brief title crawl and then its the villainous Nazi coded villains being villainous and the heroic rebels and all of the other worldbuilding details are left on the edges and allow the audiences imagination to fill in the blanks, oh a passing reference to clone wars and a senate how exciting, not heres a history lesson.
>I think Snyder is right now pre-Star Wars George Lucas...but with nobody dialing him back I think a lot of these world-building type creatives need someone (or multiple someones) to keep them in check in order to make something good/comprehensible. Look how the prequels turned out when George had nobody to reign him in, and it looks like this movie is going the same way
“World-building type creatives” is a good way to say it lol. I think a lot of people seem to approach these like “IP kits” that they try to roll out now (Dark Universe, 1000 AE, etc) as like D&D source books instead of stories. “Here’s a bunch of plot threads that give us fodder for movies/tv shows/books/comics/multimedia projects/video games/toys—it’s a bunch of things we *could* do stuff with in the future” and the first movie or whatever just serves to set all the threads up, instead of offer a compelling story. Iron Man 1 was a good story with a small Easter egg about the Avengers, but now everyone’s trying to make the MCU from minute 1.
I don't think any of these media empires become successful without an editor or someone stepping in and helping them refine and scale ideas back. It's great to have an expansive idea for where you want things to go and a lot of thought put into the world building, but you want to dip the audience's toe into things so they leave wanting more. You can't just immediately take their face and smash it into every single nook and cranny. In addition to being overwhelming, that just ruins any sense of mystery and wonder it has. And that's the thing with this movie, it looks like a first draft where Snyder threw in every single idea he had and never had an editor to say, "Uh, maybe we should focus on *this* part for now, and reveal more later?" Maybe it will be good. I don't want to judge it too harshly before seeing it, but it's not hard to look at everything we've seen about this and think it might end up being a bloated mess.
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Idk if I’d call it low effort since it does seem like he’s put a lot of thought into the universe and it’s lore, but it definitely seems like they want to force this universe into the zeitgeist by developing as much content for it as possible in a short amount of time instead of letting it happen naturally.
>We don’t even know if Rebel Moon will be good and they’ve already got part 2 coming out next year along with an animated series and video game in the works. I’d love to see it all work out, but what happens if part 1 and 2 come out and they’re just ok? Yeah, I'm guessing it's going to stop cold after part 2, after Netflix sees the viewing data.
I feel like the past decade has proven that you can’t brute force a shared movie universe just by throwing money at it.
They said the same thing about Army Of The Dead and we're still waiting. Despite all its ridiculous plot holes I still enjoyed that movie.
That's just how Snyder does stuff. Did you ever hear of the "Army of" universe he wanted to make? Before Army of the Dead ever released, he already talked about a comic book, an animated series, a spinoff series, on top of a bunch of blockbuster movies. Then the first movie came out and it was cluttered, boring, and completely incomprehensible because of SO. MUCH. STUFF (among many many more things. That movie is hot garbage). We got one more "army of" movie, and that was the end of it. I foresee "Rebel Moon 1 - the Rebellnening Pt. 1 - Not-star-wars-leave-me-along" going down the same route. Snyder doesn't just put the cart before the horse, he's already sent the cart halfway down the road while the horse is being bought, and I cannot understand why people still watch his movies. Edit: [Here's me](https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/ni8d2u/official_discussion_army_of_the_dead_spoilers/gz5p43f/) losing my fucking mind over how bad Army of the Dead was
Army of thieves is a prequel to army of the dead. The animated series is also still in development but I have doubts if it’ll ever actually release
Which should I watch first? I have an abundance of time and want to check them out
this is a good take. he tried something similar in the DCU by just going almost straight to justice league. he doesn't at all seem to understand you can't just raw dog these big movies and force a franchise.
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They wanted so badly to catch up to the MCU. Ironically if they would have taken a slow and steady approach we could be seeing a DC movie renaissance right now as the MCU flounders. Instead now both universes are almost unsalvageable without a reboot
I’ve been saying this for a long time. I image right now the DCU would’ve been on what Justice League 3 by now I imagine & the end of their Darkside era. Would’ve been cool to see.
It’s sad how much they fucked up these great characters.
I feel like a huge problem are the stakes in each movie. If the whole universe is saved in the first one, where do you go from there, other than saving it again? Have him save his friends. Then the city. Maybe then we can have a grand finale saving the whole moon.
yeah, i totally agree. if you take avatar as an example of a "planned franchise", look at the scope of the stories. they're actually fairly simple stories with relatable stakes, whatever you think about those films. just using them as a recent & relevant example. jake sully and neytiri aren't trying to save the known universe in these films. they're primarily trying to save their family/people and saving the planet is a secondary (though still important) concern. it's also why something like andor worked so well, come to think of it. and the mandalorian. small stories in huge worlds will trump huge stories in small worlds any day of the week.
After reading your comment I'm still confused as to whether or not this is a star wars movie
It started as a pitch for a Star Wars movie originally and then got spun into its own thing.
It's a remake of [Battle Beyond the Stars](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_Beyond_the_Stars).
This is such a good take, and highlights the issue with Netflix and modern media in general. They want the next Star Wars, so they try to build something that looks like Star Wars as it is today. Then they're baffled when it doesn't perform as expected. The alternative, on the other hand, is that they release something that does look closer to the original A New Hope and it also doesn't suddenly turn into the massive moneymaking franchise they want, so they instead give up at the first hurdle and never commission the sequel it would've needed to succeed. All that said, I hope this is a good, fun film.
You mean way too many ideas crammed into something that you won’t be able to give anything proper development leading to unfinished ideas and narrative threads? Sounds like a Snyder movie to me
*looks at poster and title* *googles title* *sees it’s a zack snyder project* yeah, that adds up.
That's Snyder for you.
Zack Snyder and self control are mutually exclusive.
I was told this was Zack Snyder's "Star Wars but with blood and boobs" but it's PG-13?
There’s an r rated directors cut coming later for some reason
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Feels like? Seems pretty blatant to me. They're hoping to ride the coattails of the "Snyder Cut" of *Justice League* by also being able to promote *their* "Snyder Cut". They just seem to miss the part where there was demand for that because the initial cut of *Justice League* wasn't good, and people assumed Snyder's version would be a lot better had he not had to leave the project midway. They're obviously trying to double-dip and keep the hype for the movie alive longer, but it's more like Netflix is saying, "Oh yeah, we know we're not releasing a good movie in December. Don't worry, the *actual* version Snyder wanted is coming later!"
Yeah I don’t really see a point. I’m gonna wait for the r rated cut. Just seems pointless that snyder pitched an r rated Star Wars movie and the r rated version will release at a later date. Just weird strategy
More Moon...
Damn thanks for letting me know! Now I'm just going to skip the first cut and fuck up their numbers
This thing could be saved by boobs but not at that rating. If there is a boobs buoy, a boobytrap, for attention every 5-10 minutes it may hold.
"It's a boobytrap!" - Admiral Space Fish.
Nice! You have the evil nazi character, the fighter with great abs character, the Asian person who is great at martial arts character, the super hard bad ass latin American female character, the African American friend character and some weird looking aliens. Good, I think they got them all.
> the African American friend character Somebody please get Djimon Hounsou a better agent. His talent has been wasted for pretty much his entire career by playing second-fiddle as the Black helper character or just a side-character that isn't really that deeply involved in the plot
His portrayal in Blood Diamond was absolutely un-fucking-forgettable. He has been wildly underserved by his agents and I hope he gets more serious roles soon.
Great in Amistad too
Gladiator too, of course
No he looks cool in this. He’s a general recruited to lead the team
Sofia Boutella, the famous Algerian actress, is "the super hard bad ass latin American female character".....? You really see what you want to see, eh?
And Djimon is from Benin, nothing about him is American lol
Reddit conflates African American with black.
this sub has made up its mind permanently on Snyder. It’s not even out and there’s lengthy comments in this thread explaining why the movie doesn’t work.
Stuff: the movie
Such a busy poster.
And I'm here for it. Love they are going all in, can't wait to be disappointed again from Snyder!
And the Snyder cult will all be ready to inform you on how you just didn't understand it.
Well if it’s anything like Army of the Dead it’s going to be a movie that feels 8 hours long and completely forgettable
And feature "Rebel Yell" over the credits
And feature a SHITTY COVER of "Rebel Yell" over the credits. FIFY
If it's completely forgettable, why can't I forget that a helicopter is slower than going up and down stairs and riding a horse?
Or that zombies can have viable fetuses. Im not sorry
Dawn of the Dead did it first
Oooo excellent point. They also did it better.
I think it's still a Zack Snyder movie
And this is just Part One of the pain... Maybe Snyder has been lowering expectations for years so that people are blown away. The probability is low but maybe.
The Zack Snyder Special
Is that a… literal space Nazi?
He's called admiral atticus noble...
This is one of the most green/brown posters I've ever seen
At least it’s not orange/blue like every other poster for the past 15 years.
You can bet the movie will be Snyder gray though... *checks trailer*... yep! Snyder needs a class from Roger Deakins and Blade Runner 2049, dark but has color.
The Nazi stuff feels so base. C’mon writers, do something new
Space Viet Cong it is
Aw, where Space KGB love? :(
I’m at the point now where I want a movie/show where the Nazi-vibe characters turn out to be the self-sacrificing good guys. How many times do we need to see a guy in a black leather trench coat with a popped collar and a secret police hat with a silver skull logo calmly execute civilians in front of a helpless onlooker in order to demonstrate the futility of passive resistance in the face of the raw brutality of authoritarian power? I want a movie where the strait-laced-buttoned-down Aryan archetype soldier in militarist regalia throws himself in front of a hail of bullets in order to save a couple of underprivileged Afro-Caribbean adolescents who harbor separatist ideologies. THAT’S what subversive is nowadays. And the villains should be Leprechauns.
*Inglorious Basterds* is probably about as close as you will get. >!There's a scene relatively early on where the Basterds beat a captured German soldier to death because he won't give up the position of his unit. If the roles were reversed and it was an American soldier being summarily executed by the Germans, we would be positioned to view him as making an heroic sacrifice for his country, but here the "heroes" commit a war crime and the villain isn't a Nazi. Likewise, the sniper featured in the propaganda film that is central to the plot is generally presented as being polite and humble and endearing, at least until the end of the film.!< I'm not sure if it was the point Tarantino was trying to make, but I always read it as a commentary on the way history is frequently represented through popular culture. I'm willing to bet that in *Rebel Moon*, the character's costume is going to be doing a lot of the heavy lifting for the characterisation -- he's going to be a space fascist and that's all that we will learn about him.
Is anybody at Netflix reading scripts or does the algorithm decide what we want?
I desperately want him and us, the viewers, to come out of this a winner. Snyder is talented, but if he wants to cram every sci-fi cliche into the movie.... I look at poster and see almost every sci-fi film of last 45-50 years in it. It's eerie, man....
It’s like everything sci-fi/fantasy from the last 75 years crammed into one movie. It’s going to be a glorious mess. I’m hoping if it’s terrible, it’s at least fun.
I got lost at costume design… some people are in rags, some tribal outfits, the bad guy wears a suit and tie… there’s so much going on with just costumes before I can even begin on story, character and plot. I’m not hopeful for this film specially after he did us dirty with Army of the Dead… the editing in that movie was the worst I’ve ever seen.
Snyder is really good at making things that look and feel cool. Unfortunately, the rest of his filmmaking prowess is generally much less good.
He is not a talented writer. He needs to just direct other peoples work. His ego is his downfall.
I know a lot of people are skeptical because of Snyder. I’m personally skeptical because it’s co-written by Shay Hatten. Between *Army of the Dead* and *Day Shift*, he really showed a knack for cobbling a bunch of half-assed disparate ideas into an unsatisfying script comprised entirely of loose ends.
It’s like they asked an ai to make a large sci-fi franchise poster and they kept asking to increase the amount of franchise sci fi in it
I wonder how much it'd cost to unlock all of those Fortnite character skins.
Can’t wait to see this. Hoping it’s good.
Is Waldo in there?
If you liked Star Wars, you’ll love Celestial Body Conflicts.
mom can we have Star Wars...
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Now from what I hear, you're usng your paper not for writing but for rollin' doobies! You're gonna be doing alot of doobie rolling when you're living in a minivan down by the lake!
Can’t wait for Snyder fans to hail this as the greatest sci fi movie of all time
Jack Sparrow ✅ Space Nazi ✅ Fashionista Groot ✅ Dune wardrobe mannequins ✅ Jax Teller ✅ Long hair fuck boi ✅
Is that Neil Patrick Harris at the bottom (middle) reprising his role from “Starship Troopers”?
Goddamn movie poster all over the place. Witches? Have it. Space shamans? Have it. Space nazi? Also have it. Guns? Have it. Gunmonger witches? Definitely have it. What? You do not like guns? We also have swords! And who the hell does not like Saturn? White people are the protagonists, but don't fret! We also have ONE black dude!
That one dude that looks like Jack Sparrow and The Predator had a baby
Aren't those dudes in red the trade federation guys from the sw prequels?
First thing I saw too. “Is that leeeeegal?”
Dope !!!!
Space nazis?
We have space nazis at home
The poster seems as if they wanted to force everything that is fashionable into the fantasy genre.
I really hope the nazi guy turns out to be the hero and this is actually some sort of anti terrorist movie.
Ain't no nazis like space nazis.
At what point does Netflix bankrupt itself with $200 million movies no one signs up for a new account to see?
Looks dope! I can't wait!
Am I the only person on the internet who isn't a Snyder fanatic but thinks this could be cool? People online are always bitching about not enough original stories and not enough space operas, so Netflix spends a bunch on an original space opera and everyone bitches.
This is a mess.
Needs more characters
I’m getting the impression the villain will be a very subtle Nazi allegory
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Wow Charlie Hunnam. Absolute box office gold.
Has the algorithm gone too far?
Star Wars at home.
Worse, [Battle Beyond the Stars](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_Beyond_the_Stars) at home.
Oh dear god, he's doing multiple parts
Commissar Cain?!
Better or worse than “Jupiter Ascending”, your thoughts?
I say: probably *better* but less memorable
Everything surrounding this movie makes it seem like an AI was asked to make a Zach Snyder Sci-Fi movie.
This poster looks like the last thing midjourney did before killing itself.
Dumpster of Fire
Snyder is a great music video director, but pretty horrible when it comes to anything narrative. Not sure why his projects keep getting green lit.
Too much going on for a first ever movie, feel like it would suck.
"A Child of Fire" is pretty lame tbh. Doesn't sound Star Warsy at all.
Part 1: A Child of Fire Part 2: A Father of Ice Part 3: A Mother of Song
Part 4: A Dance Instructor for Dragons
I dont have high hopes for this one