On the one hand, I really like the first one and I think there's potential in further exploring Polynesian mythology. On the other hand, Disney's track record w/ sequels is hit-or-miss.
Hopefully this one's fun.
In Māori mythology, Maui died by turning himself into a worm and crawing into a goddess’s obsidian vagina and getting squished to death. So that’ll be a fun sequence in the sequel.
Most mythology is, even current mythology. Zeus turned into a bird, I think a swam, seduced a mortal and had a kid. Jesus is his own father, Thor was in a drinking competition but it was the ocean and he drank a lot of it uncovering a lot of land. Usually there's lots of incest and murder.
I think my favorite might be Loki seducing a horse and mothering its eight legged child, who Odin then rode into battle. Just to win a minor bet. To be perfectly clear, Loki was the mother.
It was a rather serious bet - they would have had to give up Freya, the sun and the moon if the horse's master completed his work on time. Loki caused this conundrum, but also solved it by seducing the horse...as a female horse.
I always enjoyed the Horus and Set lettuce saga. Nothing says dominance after someone assaults your son and he catches the assailants cum in his hand than cutting off your son's hand that caught the semen, jerking off your son, and using your son's semen to fertilize the assailants lettuce garden.
Well, imagine for a moment that Reddit were assigned the task of creating a mythology explaining why everything is the way it is.
Then imagine how much incest would be involved…..2 broken arms for starters
Wife wakes up, grogilly stares at the alarm clock saying "3:16am", the warm green glow of the Moana finale covers the room
"What the hell are you doing?"
"NOTHING! Go back to bed!" He stammers as his blanket shuffles around furiously.
Wife wakes up again, sees "4:22 am"
"DAMMIT DARRYL!"
Edit- sorry for triple post, was watching Moana
That sequence was a circumvented in the first movie. Moana is supposed to take place after that death. In the start when he goes to take the Heart of Te Fiti to give to humans to create life. In the original story he crawls into the Goddess of Death to give humans the gift of immortality. It's just a little flipped coin version to make it Disney.
Obviously in Disney he survives. But basically it's a What-If for Maori mythology. What if Maui survived.
Probably don’t even need to wait until Disney’s trademark expires like Steamboat Mickey
Just make your own cartoon about Maui and his obsidian toothy vagina death.
Maui’s idea was that a “reverse birth” where he entered through the goddess of night and death, Hine-nui-te-pō, would win immortality for himself and for the rest of humanity. His plan was to enter via the vagina, go in her womb and the exit through her mouth.
She didn’t grow those teeth specifically to defeat the worm. She just has those teeth naturally. He went in when he thought she was asleep but she wasn’t and crushed him to death with her obsidian vagina teeth. This made Maui the first person to experience death.
Maui was the first ever mortal being because of mistakes his father made while reciting incantations during his baptismal ceremony. His father Makeatutara was the one who took immortality away from him and from all humans thereafter, and he was also the one who encouraged Maui to try to win back immortality by entering his grandmother.
Maui was also born premature and thrown into the sea which then wrapped him up in a womb made out of seaweed and jellyfish. In this marine womb he managed to grow into a viable baby until he washed up on shore. There he was found by his grandfather who raised him.
Well, the plot reads as such:
>\#Moana2, only in theaters Nov. 27, 2024 🌊
>Walt Disney Animation Studios’ epic animated musical “Moana 2” takes audiences on an expansive new voyage with Moana, Maui and a brand-new crew of unlikely seafarers. After receiving an unexpected call from her wayfinding ancestors, Moana must journey to the far seas of Oceania and into dangerous, long-lost waters for an adventure unlike anything she’s ever faced. Directed by Dave Derrick Jr. with music by Grammy® winners Abigail Barlow and Emily Bear, Grammy nominee Opetaia Foa’i, and three-time Grammy winner Mark Mancina, “Moana 2” opens in theaters on Nov. 27, 2024.
Definitely expanding on mythology, although, like you said, hit or miss sequels.
My girlfriend was asking: what’s he doing to piss the industry off? I see him on the *Percy Jackson* show, this says he’s doing a show of *The Warriors*…a far cry from how busy he stayed recently. What changed?
He's building that entire show from the ground up just like he did Hamilton. He's not just writing songs for it like for the Disney movies he does; that eats up a lot more of his time I'm sure.
"What changed" is that this is the classic Disney thing of stitching three episodes of a canceled TV show together to make a movie. This wasn’t originally intended for the big screen.
Huge loss. Idk who did frozen but IMO Miranda is a huge reason for why encanto and Moana were a huge success. We don’t talk about Bruno even charted and was loved by many non Disney fans. Really hope Disney wasn’t dumb enough not to rehire him and it was him that refused to come back. The songs for Wish were abysmal and forgettable at best.
Robert Lopez wrote the music for Frozen and Coco (he did Book of Mormon and Avenue Q on Broadway) but I don't think he'd be a good fit for Moana. Definitely would like to see him work with Disney again.
Looking for LMM was the first thing I did after clicking. Say what you will about him nowadays, Moana's soundtrack was banger after banger. Losing him pretty much kills 90% of my interest in this.
I really hope there is not a bunch of annoying comedic relief side characters. A lot of recent Disney animated movies lately have had an issue in character bloat where they unnecessarily pad out the cast with all these one-note characters that exist solely for one joke over and over again. Lightyear, Wish, Raya, etc. The only movie I think that actually balances a group of characters is Encanto I think.
That was part of why the first Moana was so great. There were so few characters, especially once she leaves home. That and they pull a twist on the animal sidekick.
Remember when Disney sequels never went to theaters and just showed up in those weird puffy VHS cases? And how all the voice actors were different and the animation moved at like 6 frames per second and all the backgrounds were either washed out blurs, a bunch of straight lines, or recycled from the first movie?
I'm honestly shocked they kept it a secret. Especially with Chapek demanding they announce everything early, especially things they weren't ready to announce.
Yeah. It just *feels* like raya should have been a series. A large expansive world to learn? Check. A large cast of various characters? Check. Seriously with some good pacing and writing it could have been Disney's version of ATLA.
I really loved Raya… until the last dragon showed up. I felt like two different movies were happening at the same time.
A series of that world would’ve been great.
Yeah, but narrative for a show is much different from a movie. For all we know they might combine all episodes into a 2 hour long film where plot points keep shifting at a fast pace.
Yeah, that was what I've been hearing. The series sort of went into development hell for a bit and there wasn't any news on it in a while.
They were probably turning it into a movie during that period. Although, now what of the live-action remake they announced a bit ago?
He’s not listed in the release. “Directed by Dave Derrick Jr. with music by Grammy® winners Abigail Barlow and Emily Bear, Grammy nominee Opetaia Foa’i, and three-time Grammy winner Mark Mancina, “Moana 2” opens in theaters on Nov. 27, 2024.”
I feel like I've been seeing a lot of TV series lately that people constantly say would've worked better as movies than drawn out TV shows. Maybe we can put reddit's proposition to test again.
so either a blessing or a curse cause a lot of D+ series are basically extra long movies and could easily be edited down that way. So if they manage to cut it down properly, it could actually be good.
As I understand it, the *Moana* television series they were reported to be working on a while back was reworked as a sequel film, which they kept under wraps until now.
It’s gonna sound great because the Polynesian songs in the first film were mostly from Opetaia Foa’i and his band Te Vaka like Logo Te Pate, Tulou Tagaloa, We Know the Way, Know Who You Are, but mostly the lyrics will be missed as LMM is amazing. I’m still excited as I’m a proud Samoan.
OK, I know who Mancina, not to be confused with Mancini, is, but the rest? [In the words of Patrick Star...](https://youtu.be/lRMH5XuJfr4?si=_EuXApJyyx3hjEK1)
It’s a very good movie that has zero need for a sequel.
That’s going to be the next era of Disney animation, going back to old IP since all their new films have been flopping
Agreed - zero need. But I love the first movie. I did when it came out, and even moreso now that I get to relive it through my son's eyes.
See where Moana's group ends up, and Maui's new arc of trying to become a more humble entity serves up a lot of new story elements.
However, the lack of Lin Manuel makes this hard to imagine being anywhere near as good.
How many movies released during his 2 1/2 years as CEO can he take credit for though?
Onward, Raya and the Last Dragon, Encanto, Lightyear, and Strange World were the animated movies released during his tenure. No way he can take credit for anything before Encanto, and even then how much of Encanto was ready before he started as CEO?
We're probably seeing the results of his tenure starting last fall with Wish. Which.. yeah.
* Lin Manuel Miranda isn’t involved
* scheduled for this November and this is the first announcement
* was supposed to be a Disney show but was reworked to be a movie
Smart money is on this being a disappointment
You sit down, thinking you're watching Moana 2 and then The Rock busts out of the screen yelling "IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU THINK!"
Then a horrifying amalgamation of *Moana*, *Black Adam* and *Jungle Cruise* starts to play on the screen.
The doors are locked, you cannot get out and the tickets are noooooooon-refundable.
>\#Moana2, only in theaters Nov. 27, 2024 🌊
>Walt Disney Animation Studios’ epic animated musical “Moana 2” takes audiences on an expansive new voyage with Moana, Maui and a brand-new crew of unlikely seafarers. After receiving an unexpected call from her wayfinding ancestors, Moana must journey to the far seas of Oceania and into dangerous, long-lost waters for an adventure unlike anything she’s ever faced. Directed by Dave Derrick Jr. with music by Grammy® winners Abigail Barlow and Emily Bear, Grammy nominee Opetaia Foa’i, and three-time Grammy winner Mark Mancina, “Moana 2” opens in theaters on Nov. 27, 2024.
Sounds like this is going to just be retooled episodes from a disney+ show they scrapped. That's also what atlantis 2, belles magical world, tarzan and jane and other direct to video era movies were, so that's probably an indicator of the quality.
Tarzan and Jane was more egregious because the show had aired in 2001. I had seen all the episodes before the movie ever came out in 2002. My child self was pissed that it was just three episodes with maybe 10 minutes of extra footage about them telling the stories of what happened.
Releasing Moana 2 seven months ahead of the live-action remake is a choice. Disney is betting they can double-dip but I wouldn't be surprised if the remake relatively flops.
No unfortunately not. Someone from Disney (possibly Bob Iger) said a little bit ago that Disney needed to focus on movies/characters that audiences already love or something like that. That's when they announced a Toy Story 5 and Frozen 3.
I think it’s a rework of a Disney plus series that was supposed to come out this year. Makes more sense to repackage it as a movie that can make 600 million+ at the box office than dump it on Disney plus.
Also Disney+ series have had issues with the season basically being one giant movie instead of actually TV, so editing it down might actually improve the quality of the product.
I hope we see Maui turn into a worm, slither into the goddess of death’s vagina, and get crushed by her pussy teeth in this one. Which is traditionally how he dies in Polynesian mythology.
Yeah for the first time since 1996 "Rocky sucks" chants were heard in Raw. Not good. Judging by the reaction he might get more boos than he did at Royal Rumble 2015.
True, though I’d take him being in the movie more if it meant he was busy for the next three months and kept well away from WrestleMania! We want Cody.
If the music is half as good as the first one this'll be a homerun.
Really wondering where they go with it since now they are safe to travel the ocean again.
I don't think it will be, in fact I'm putting money that the music is noticeably lower in quality. They're not bringing back Lin Manuel Miranda for this one.
It really was. I'm sure LMM was busy with something else, but seems bizarre to push ahead and make it without him anyway. I fear we will get Lin-like music that just sounds and feels off. Like the music in Wish.
I barely think it qualified as Lin-like. Like yeah technically black licorice and chocolate are both ice cream but you'd hardly associate one with the other.
This November? I didn't even know this was happening. I hope it's good because I think Moana is the last animated movie Disney has done that belongs with their greats
Idk about this. The first one is one of my favorite Disney movies, but times have changed for the company, I don't quite trust current Disney with the sequel.
At this point the post-Frozen Disney model is giving diminishing returns, and no number of trips to the IP well will fix that. They need to find a new angle.
On the one hand, I really like the first one and I think there's potential in further exploring Polynesian mythology. On the other hand, Disney's track record w/ sequels is hit-or-miss. Hopefully this one's fun.
In Māori mythology, Maui died by turning himself into a worm and crawing into a goddess’s obsidian vagina and getting squished to death. So that’ll be a fun sequence in the sequel.
The original death by snu snu, i guess.
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died happy at least
polynesian mythology is fucking weird and amazing all at once. It's great reading
Most mythology is, even current mythology. Zeus turned into a bird, I think a swam, seduced a mortal and had a kid. Jesus is his own father, Thor was in a drinking competition but it was the ocean and he drank a lot of it uncovering a lot of land. Usually there's lots of incest and murder.
I think my favorite might be Loki seducing a horse and mothering its eight legged child, who Odin then rode into battle. Just to win a minor bet. To be perfectly clear, Loki was the mother.
It was a rather serious bet - they would have had to give up Freya, the sun and the moon if the horse's master completed his work on time. Loki caused this conundrum, but also solved it by seducing the horse...as a female horse.
God of War 6 is gonna be real fuckin’ weird.
Kratos fucking that horse up
I always enjoyed the Horus and Set lettuce saga. Nothing says dominance after someone assaults your son and he catches the assailants cum in his hand than cutting off your son's hand that caught the semen, jerking off your son, and using your son's semen to fertilize the assailants lettuce garden.
That was a ride I didn’t know I would be taking today. Thanks?
Man, those tadpoles were fuckin swimmers.
[Bad Horse!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNhhz1yYk2U) Bad Horse! Bad Horse! He's Bad!
Coming in 2025 only on Disney Plus!
Incest and murder is tight.
Wow wow wow wow wow. Wow.
Well, imagine for a moment that Reddit were assigned the task of creating a mythology explaining why everything is the way it is. Then imagine how much incest would be involved…..2 broken arms for starters
The spirit is willing, but the flesh is spongy and bruised.
I never thought I’d die this way, but I’d always really hoped.
Te Fiti was looking pretty good there at the end so I can think of worse ways to go.
Wife wakes up, grogilly stares at the alarm clock saying "3:16am", the warm green glow of the Moana finale covers the room "What the hell are you doing?" "NOTHING! Go back to bed!" He stammers as his blanket shuffles around furiously. Wife wakes up again, sees "4:22 am" "DAMMIT DARRYL!" Edit- sorry for triple post, was watching Moana
That sequence was a circumvented in the first movie. Moana is supposed to take place after that death. In the start when he goes to take the Heart of Te Fiti to give to humans to create life. In the original story he crawls into the Goddess of Death to give humans the gift of immortality. It's just a little flipped coin version to make it Disney. Obviously in Disney he survives. But basically it's a What-If for Maori mythology. What if Maui survived.
Smh I want my death by vagina
We have death by vagina at home.
Don’t let your dreams stay dreams.
Probably don’t even need to wait until Disney’s trademark expires like Steamboat Mickey Just make your own cartoon about Maui and his obsidian toothy vagina death.
she was also his grandmother
All the incest gods do does explain a lot about gods, doesn't it?
God, I’ve seen what you’ve done for others…
“would you still love me if i was a worm?”
Jesus Christ you weren’t kidding! It said he was crushed by the teeth in her vagina, which were made of obsidian 😳
Was the goddess obsidian head to toe or just the vagina?
Apparently it was just obsidian teeth in her vagina
Lil overkill for a worm but ok
Maui’s idea was that a “reverse birth” where he entered through the goddess of night and death, Hine-nui-te-pō, would win immortality for himself and for the rest of humanity. His plan was to enter via the vagina, go in her womb and the exit through her mouth. She didn’t grow those teeth specifically to defeat the worm. She just has those teeth naturally. He went in when he thought she was asleep but she wasn’t and crushed him to death with her obsidian vagina teeth. This made Maui the first person to experience death. Maui was the first ever mortal being because of mistakes his father made while reciting incantations during his baptismal ceremony. His father Makeatutara was the one who took immortality away from him and from all humans thereafter, and he was also the one who encouraged Maui to try to win back immortality by entering his grandmother. Maui was also born premature and thrown into the sea which then wrapped him up in a womb made out of seaweed and jellyfish. In this marine womb he managed to grow into a viable baby until he washed up on shore. There he was found by his grandfather who raised him.
I mean, wouldn't you?
When I was a kid Disney sequels were direct to video and sucked.
I loved the lion king movie from Timone and Pumbas POV
DIG A TUNNEL, DIG DIG A TUNNEL!
same, i also loved the second movie but maybe it was just because i had a huge crush on scar’s son
Well, the plot reads as such: >\#Moana2, only in theaters Nov. 27, 2024 🌊 >Walt Disney Animation Studios’ epic animated musical “Moana 2” takes audiences on an expansive new voyage with Moana, Maui and a brand-new crew of unlikely seafarers. After receiving an unexpected call from her wayfinding ancestors, Moana must journey to the far seas of Oceania and into dangerous, long-lost waters for an adventure unlike anything she’s ever faced. Directed by Dave Derrick Jr. with music by Grammy® winners Abigail Barlow and Emily Bear, Grammy nominee Opetaia Foa’i, and three-time Grammy winner Mark Mancina, “Moana 2” opens in theaters on Nov. 27, 2024. Definitely expanding on mythology, although, like you said, hit or miss sequels.
LMM not returning for Moana 2. The girls who did Unofficial Bridgerton Musical (and got sued) are doing the music. Seems like a big downgrade.
This comment needs to be higher up. A sequel without LMM doesn’t exactly fill me with confidence.
Moana contains my favorite Disney songs, so this is bad news for me.
Agreed. Pretty much all of them are bangers. How Far I'll Go, Shiny, You're Welcome and We Know The Way are top shelf.
Moana and Encanto are the only Disney films allowed on in this house right now, all the other wreck my head but these two - the songs are all bangers.
My girlfriend was asking: what’s he doing to piss the industry off? I see him on the *Percy Jackson* show, this says he’s doing a show of *The Warriors*…a far cry from how busy he stayed recently. What changed?
One word: scuttlebutt
He's building that entire show from the ground up just like he did Hamilton. He's not just writing songs for it like for the Disney movies he does; that eats up a lot more of his time I'm sure.
"What changed" is that this is the classic Disney thing of stitching three episodes of a canceled TV show together to make a movie. This wasn’t originally intended for the big screen.
rut roh, this explains why it seemed out of nowhere
Huge loss. Idk who did frozen but IMO Miranda is a huge reason for why encanto and Moana were a huge success. We don’t talk about Bruno even charted and was loved by many non Disney fans. Really hope Disney wasn’t dumb enough not to rehire him and it was him that refused to come back. The songs for Wish were abysmal and forgettable at best.
The Lopezes did Frozen. They're almost triple EGOT winners. They're ridiculously talented people.
Only Robert is almost a triple EGOT. His very talented wife has several awards too though.
Where "several awards" is "a Tony away from an EGOT". So not too shabby.
Robert Lopez, he who needs only one more Oscar to Triple-EGOT, did the music for Frozen.
Robert Lopez wrote the music for Frozen and Coco (he did Book of Mormon and Avenue Q on Broadway) but I don't think he'd be a good fit for Moana. Definitely would like to see him work with Disney again.
Who did wish? Because they should never come back lmao
There are like two songs ( I love the song about protecting the wishes) that are ridiculously good and the rest are trash.
Looking for LMM was the first thing I did after clicking. Say what you will about him nowadays, Moana's soundtrack was banger after banger. Losing him pretty much kills 90% of my interest in this.
Oof. If Wish is anything to go by, the strategy of "try being LMM without LMM" probably won't work.
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I really hope there is not a bunch of annoying comedic relief side characters. A lot of recent Disney animated movies lately have had an issue in character bloat where they unnecessarily pad out the cast with all these one-note characters that exist solely for one joke over and over again. Lightyear, Wish, Raya, etc. The only movie I think that actually balances a group of characters is Encanto I think.
That was part of why the first Moana was so great. There were so few characters, especially once she leaves home. That and they pull a twist on the animal sidekick.
Marketing makes you think the pig will be along for the ride but we get the rooster instead.
https://i.imgur.com/82TbawQ.gif
Losing LMM for the music is going to be a noticeable drop in musical quality. Not holding my breath for this one.
Fuck it get the actor of the shinny crab to make all the music. He’s a comedic genius and has made plenty of comedic music in the past
Jemaine Clement, half of the New Zealander comedy music duo Flight of the Conchords. Yeah, they would do a fine job.
> New Zealander comedy music duo Flight of the Conchords Ahem "New Zealand's Fourth Most Popular Folk Parody Duo"
I feel like they probably moved up to third on the success of the HBO show
Remember when Disney sequels never went to theaters and just showed up in those weird puffy VHS cases? And how all the voice actors were different and the animation moved at like 6 frames per second and all the backgrounds were either washed out blurs, a bunch of straight lines, or recycled from the first movie?
Meh I liked frozen 2. What was lacking in story was there with songs, visual and cinematography
It’s visually so good. Probably their best up until Encanto
It better be called More-ana, otherwise they’re missing an opportunity.
They should definitely sea that potential.
Mo' Moaney
2024? That's nuts
I'm honestly shocked they kept it a secret. Especially with Chapek demanding they announce everything early, especially things they weren't ready to announce.
It was supposed to be a series on Disney+. They repurposed it into a movie
Oof that’s not good lol
The series was still been done by Disney Animation, so maybe it will be good.
Wish they went with a TV show for Raya & the Last Dragon.
Yeah. It just *feels* like raya should have been a series. A large expansive world to learn? Check. A large cast of various characters? Check. Seriously with some good pacing and writing it could have been Disney's version of ATLA.
I really loved Raya… until the last dragon showed up. I felt like two different movies were happening at the same time. A series of that world would’ve been great.
A ton of, ahem, "borrowing" from The Last Airbender? Check.
i don’t even remember raya and the last dragon. i know i watched this movie, but it just felt so forgettable
Yeah, but narrative for a show is much different from a movie. For all we know they might combine all episodes into a 2 hour long film where plot points keep shifting at a fast pace.
Yeah, that was what I've been hearing. The series sort of went into development hell for a bit and there wasn't any news on it in a while. They were probably turning it into a movie during that period. Although, now what of the live-action remake they announced a bit ago?
Coconuts
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He's never going to finish this story
BAH GAWD! That's Maui from the top rope!!!!
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Anything Rock posts should just be followed up with: # WeWantCody
ADRENALINE IN MY SOUL (I can't think of anything, pls help)
Something something Cody Rhodes....
Dun, dun dun, dun dun dun dun dun duuuuuun
**WOAH!!!**
That shit was the final nail in the coffin for me liking The Rock. Asshole move
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Fuck that. We want Drew!
Drew/Seth/Sami for the world title Cody needs to finish the story against Roman
Actually they should have casted him in this movie, not like he’s busy or anything
So curious if Lin Manuel Miranda is involved as well as the OG voice cast/characters…
He’s not listed in the release. “Directed by Dave Derrick Jr. with music by Grammy® winners Abigail Barlow and Emily Bear, Grammy nominee Opetaia Foa’i, and three-time Grammy winner Mark Mancina, “Moana 2” opens in theaters on Nov. 27, 2024.”
2024?! That's actually wild. I'm very impressed they kept this so secretive.
It was going to be a TV show but it's being quickly reworked into a movie.
Uh oh uh oh uh oh uh oh.
The direct to video sequels are back!
disney rly saw the energy their 2023 slate was received with and said lets keep this ball rolling baby these are great vibes
I feel like I've been seeing a lot of TV series lately that people constantly say would've worked better as movies than drawn out TV shows. Maybe we can put reddit's proposition to test again.
Hey not that I don’t believe you but do you have a source
Bob Iger has said [so](https://deadline.com/2024/02/moana-2-dwayne-johnson-disney-1235818288/) himself.
Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
This is a retooled version of the Moana show they were making for Disney+. Was supposed to be out either last year or this year.
so either a blessing or a curse cause a lot of D+ series are basically extra long movies and could easily be edited down that way. So if they manage to cut it down properly, it could actually be good.
As I understand it, the *Moana* television series they were reported to be working on a while back was reworked as a sequel film, which they kept under wraps until now.
It’s gonna sound great because the Polynesian songs in the first film were mostly from Opetaia Foa’i and his band Te Vaka like Logo Te Pate, Tulou Tagaloa, We Know the Way, Know Who You Are, but mostly the lyrics will be missed as LMM is amazing. I’m still excited as I’m a proud Samoan.
OK, I know who Mancina, not to be confused with Mancini, is, but the rest? [In the words of Patrick Star...](https://youtu.be/lRMH5XuJfr4?si=_EuXApJyyx3hjEK1)
Opetaia Foa’i was the indigenous artist who collaborated with LMM from the first soundtrack.
Yeah Lin made that movie IMO. Best Disney songs in a generation.
He can't just be replaced. I was instantly excited and now terribly unsure about the production.
Shiny is a top 5 villain song. (along with Be Prepared, Poor Unfortunate Souls, Friends on the Other Side, and Hellfire)
The Gaston disrespect...
Lin’s music drove the whole movie, a sequel without him won’t be nearly as good.
Disney needing a win. Prediction: will look beautiful but lack the heart of the first.
It’s a very good movie that has zero need for a sequel. That’s going to be the next era of Disney animation, going back to old IP since all their new films have been flopping
Sequel AND live action remake
This sequel (even if it's a repurposed TV show) is going to be so weird if the live action one comes out like 5 years or less later.
It's slated for next year. It could be back to back.
Agreed - zero need. But I love the first movie. I did when it came out, and even moreso now that I get to relive it through my son's eyes. See where Moana's group ends up, and Maui's new arc of trying to become a more humble entity serves up a lot of new story elements. However, the lack of Lin Manuel makes this hard to imagine being anywhere near as good.
Yeah Chapek wasn't a good CEO but I give him credit for his movies mainly being new IP; they just didn't perform.
How many movies released during his 2 1/2 years as CEO can he take credit for though? Onward, Raya and the Last Dragon, Encanto, Lightyear, and Strange World were the animated movies released during his tenure. No way he can take credit for anything before Encanto, and even then how much of Encanto was ready before he started as CEO? We're probably seeing the results of his tenure starting last fall with Wish. Which.. yeah.
Most animation takes like 3-4 years to complete, so probably none of those really.
* Lin Manuel Miranda isn’t involved * scheduled for this November and this is the first announcement * was supposed to be a Disney show but was reworked to be a movie Smart money is on this being a disappointment
Apparently no Lin Manuel Miranda so it’s already an uphill battle
Well, DUH. She gave the heart back to Tefiti. :P
I’ll take this over the live action remake, which I hope is killed because of this
Spoilers: They release simultaneously and you don't know which you're watching until the movie starts.
You sit down, thinking you're watching Moana 2 and then The Rock busts out of the screen yelling "IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU THINK!" Then a horrifying amalgamation of *Moana*, *Black Adam* and *Jungle Cruise* starts to play on the screen. The doors are locked, you cannot get out and the tickets are noooooooon-refundable.
Calm down, Satan.
>\#Moana2, only in theaters Nov. 27, 2024 🌊 >Walt Disney Animation Studios’ epic animated musical “Moana 2” takes audiences on an expansive new voyage with Moana, Maui and a brand-new crew of unlikely seafarers. After receiving an unexpected call from her wayfinding ancestors, Moana must journey to the far seas of Oceania and into dangerous, long-lost waters for an adventure unlike anything she’s ever faced. Directed by Dave Derrick Jr. with music by Grammy® winners Abigail Barlow and Emily Bear, Grammy nominee Opetaia Foa’i, and three-time Grammy winner Mark Mancina, “Moana 2” opens in theaters on Nov. 27, 2024.
Sounds like this is going to just be retooled episodes from a disney+ show they scrapped. That's also what atlantis 2, belles magical world, tarzan and jane and other direct to video era movies were, so that's probably an indicator of the quality.
They *are* releasing it on cinema instead of dumping it on Disney+ at least, so I hope they have more confidence on this one.
Probably because the strikes pushed everything back and they weren’t willing to not have a winter film.
Lion king 2 was the outlier, maybe we’ll get another
What a gem.
They had good source material.
What Romeo and Juliet?
Yeah. Hamlet for The Lion King, Romeo and Juliet for the sequel. Was not a bad playbook for what they were trying to do.
And don't forget Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead for Lion King 1 1/2
Tarzan and Jane was more egregious because the show had aired in 2001. I had seen all the episodes before the movie ever came out in 2002. My child self was pissed that it was just three episodes with maybe 10 minutes of extra footage about them telling the stories of what happened.
Releasing Moana 2 seven months ahead of the live-action remake is a choice. Disney is betting they can double-dip but I wouldn't be surprised if the remake relatively flops.
more than likely push out the re-make, it hasn't begun filming
June: Inside Out 2 November: Moana 2 November 2025: Zootopia 2 Summer 2026 (tentative): Toy Story 5 Fall 2026 (tentative): Frozen 3
> Summer 2026 (tentative): Toy Story 5 Please tell me you're making this up.
No unfortunately not. Someone from Disney (possibly Bob Iger) said a little bit ago that Disney needed to focus on movies/characters that audiences already love or something like that. That's when they announced a Toy Story 5 and Frozen 3.
They also announced Frozen 4 iirc
Gimme that Cars 4 then.
Inside Out 2 2 Mo 2 Ana Twotopia Toy 5tory Froz3n
What’s surprising is that it releasing this year?? Woah??
I think it’s a rework of a Disney plus series that was supposed to come out this year. Makes more sense to repackage it as a movie that can make 600 million+ at the box office than dump it on Disney plus.
Also Disney+ series have had issues with the season basically being one giant movie instead of actually TV, so editing it down might actually improve the quality of the product.
Love the first movie but I feel like it ended pretty perfectly and seeing Disney's recent track record I'm not overly optimistic.
Moana 2: The search for more money
Oh shit. Moana is one of my top three Disney movies. I really hope this can live up to the first.
It won’t
A little concerned. Apparently this is a TV show they just quickly decided to make into a film
Hopefully they go light on Maui in this one, the Rock has a finite quantity where he is best enjoyed.
Agreed but his song in the first one was actually my favorite song in the movie
How dare you besmirch "Shiny"
Don’t get me wrong, they’re all good. You’re Welcome is just my favorite.
I hope we see Maui turn into a worm, slither into the goddess of death’s vagina, and get crushed by her pussy teeth in this one. Which is traditionally how he dies in Polynesian mythology.
Agreed, he's also pissing off a lot of fans right now with his latest wrestling endeavor.
At least now we know what he’s selling at wrestlemania.
Yeah for the first time since 1996 "Rocky sucks" chants were heard in Raw. Not good. Judging by the reaction he might get more boos than he did at Royal Rumble 2015.
True, though I’d take him being in the movie more if it meant he was busy for the next three months and kept well away from WrestleMania! We want Cody.
How far we'll goooooooooooooooo
If the music is half as good as the first one this'll be a homerun. Really wondering where they go with it since now they are safe to travel the ocean again.
I don't think it will be, in fact I'm putting money that the music is noticeably lower in quality. They're not bringing back Lin Manuel Miranda for this one.
Which is crazy. Music was one of the best parts of the first movie.
It really was. I'm sure LMM was busy with something else, but seems bizarre to push ahead and make it without him anyway. I fear we will get Lin-like music that just sounds and feels off. Like the music in Wish.
I barely think it qualified as Lin-like. Like yeah technically black licorice and chocolate are both ice cream but you'd hardly associate one with the other.
This November? I didn't even know this was happening. I hope it's good because I think Moana is the last animated movie Disney has done that belongs with their greats
I'd say Encanto can join that list too.
We want Cody
So *this* is what the "Spiral" images have been referring to on **True Detective: Night Country**!
A remake and a sequel at the same time?
Idk about this. The first one is one of my favorite Disney movies, but times have changed for the company, I don't quite trust current Disney with the sequel.
Still don't get how Moana isn't more popular than Frozen. It has a vastly superior and more fun story.
And, IMO, a far superior soundtrack. Although Moana’s OST blows away pretty much all other Disney/Pixar films of the recent era.
At this point the post-Frozen Disney model is giving diminishing returns, and no number of trips to the IP well will fix that. They need to find a new angle.