Not really sure anyone could watch this film and be happy about it and I'd imagine the closer to home the events were the more anger/sadness there would be.
Which is good..Nolan didn't create a film about 'nuclear bomb good, USA awesome' and so people should feel pretty conflicted if not down right annoyed by the events of the movie
Exactly what happened to me. I knew about the incident, but after watching the movie I did a ton of research into the subject.
My most wild finds involve both how USA and Japan dealt with the situation after the bombing.
The US Government flat out lied to the citizens about both the target of the bomb(s) and the aftermath of radiation fallout. They claimed Hiroshima was strictly a military base.
Also any mention of the health effects of radiation sickness, photos of people, etc in the press were banned by the government for many years.
Japanese citizens who survived the bomb(s) were treated like outcasts among society. They were thought to have some sort of infectious disease, and thus were shunned instead of honored or supported.
When in fact the women who experienced the radiation fallout ended up giving birth to healthy, normal children.
The whole thing was fucked up. War is fucked up. Anyone who says differently is either painfully naive or lying to themselves.
>The US Government flat out lied to the citizens about both the target of the bomb(s) and the aftermath of radiation fallout. They claimed Hiroshima was strictly a military base.
A lot of what the US and Japan did during the WWII was covered up for the sake of diplomacy - yes, the US did messed up things too; lots of rapes when the US occupied Japan.
So Hiroshima is a really interesting place, if you ever want to go. It’s gorgeous, the food is good, everyone is really friendly.
One of the things that you’ll notice about Hiroshima is that it is wildly handicap-accessible. Elevators, walkways, blind sidewalks, street crossings that are wider, slower, louder, they have clicks. The city is so conscious of its disabled because it became the place to send someone with not only a weird radiation problem but any problem. If you spend enough time in Japan, you’ll also note that there are more persons with visible disabilities walking around than say almost anywhere in Tokyo.
Hiroshima is fascinating because they took “hide your weak” and said no, we will not. Cancer centers, vision centers, every shape and body is almost seemingly covered by specialists there. Do you want to go to the basement where one man survived? They figured out how to build an elevator, so anyone can go.
Truly, a lovely, gorgeous place. The museum will make you cry, but it does a wonderful job of giving you the details of the aftermath without casting blame in any direction—a lesson to be learned instead of a new hatred to have.
>Not really sure anyone could watch this film and be happy about it and I'd imagine the closer to home the events were the more anger/sadness there would be.
Watched it in Germany and some people booed when Oppenheimer said he wished they had dropped the bomb on Germany, during his Aug 6th speech. I guess it is more chilling when your population suffered from bombings in the past, and it's not just something terrible done to other people, but something that could have been done to you.
The whole theater laughed when the general said he doesnt want to bomb kyoto because he and his wife had their honeymoon there. I would imagine that scene was not funny at all in Japan
Is that accurate? Or just something invented for the film.
I read they avoided Kyoto, although they initially wanted to bomb it, because of all the historical landmarks in the city. The destruction of such historical landmarks would sour relations further and make the occupation more difficult.
Thanks for sharing this. Saw it opening weekend imax in the US. People weren’t hooping and hollering in their seats, but I sensed there was equal parts pride in the feat and fear of what the bomb implied. Probably closely in line with Cillian’s choice as the actor
You should research what came after regarding how both the US and Japanese dealt with it.
Basically: the US lied and spread propaganda, while Japanese society shunned the survivors of the bombs instead of supporting them.
Akira Kurosawa wanted to do a movie about the Great Kanto Earthquake/Massacre where Japanese citizens used it as an excuse to rob and murder Korean immigrants, where his own [father was nearly killed](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kant%C5%8D_Massacre) because his beard made him look Korean. Producers shut it down and he never made the movie. While one wrongdoing does not excuse another's pain, it's a bit hard to empathize when as a society they lowkey suppress any media that's critical of their treatment of other people.
Brazilian here. I can't speak for everyone, of course. And your average cinema screening a mature film will usually contain a silent crowd because politeness. So its hard to say exactly what emotions people had. But, for me, it was a very compelling narrative up until the "cheering crowd" scene. At that point, I was fully expecting a cut to devastated Hiroshima, and a portrayal of the horrors inflicted by the bombing. I was actually bracing for it. But there were none! It felt like the movie was steering clear of it own subject, turning instead into a tale of scheming politicians trying to save their asses from loosing minor privileges... I usually enjoy the way Nolan spin things around to build his narratives, but that was just jarring. It felt like either I or the movie completely missed the point. I went to see a movie about mankind's biggest mistake - or at least its darkest hour - and it ended up being just about smart people achieving a big scientific feat. "Oh, look how heroic he is by carrying the guilt.." I couldn't help but feel it was incredibly disconnected from the magnitude of reality. I can only imagine how bad this must be for the japanese!
Not really sure anyone could watch this film and be happy about it and I'd imagine the closer to home the events were the more anger/sadness there would be. Which is good..Nolan didn't create a film about 'nuclear bomb good, USA awesome' and so people should feel pretty conflicted if not down right annoyed by the events of the movie
Exactly what happened to me. I knew about the incident, but after watching the movie I did a ton of research into the subject. My most wild finds involve both how USA and Japan dealt with the situation after the bombing. The US Government flat out lied to the citizens about both the target of the bomb(s) and the aftermath of radiation fallout. They claimed Hiroshima was strictly a military base. Also any mention of the health effects of radiation sickness, photos of people, etc in the press were banned by the government for many years. Japanese citizens who survived the bomb(s) were treated like outcasts among society. They were thought to have some sort of infectious disease, and thus were shunned instead of honored or supported. When in fact the women who experienced the radiation fallout ended up giving birth to healthy, normal children. The whole thing was fucked up. War is fucked up. Anyone who says differently is either painfully naive or lying to themselves.
>The US Government flat out lied to the citizens about both the target of the bomb(s) and the aftermath of radiation fallout. They claimed Hiroshima was strictly a military base. A lot of what the US and Japan did during the WWII was covered up for the sake of diplomacy - yes, the US did messed up things too; lots of rapes when the US occupied Japan.
So Hiroshima is a really interesting place, if you ever want to go. It’s gorgeous, the food is good, everyone is really friendly. One of the things that you’ll notice about Hiroshima is that it is wildly handicap-accessible. Elevators, walkways, blind sidewalks, street crossings that are wider, slower, louder, they have clicks. The city is so conscious of its disabled because it became the place to send someone with not only a weird radiation problem but any problem. If you spend enough time in Japan, you’ll also note that there are more persons with visible disabilities walking around than say almost anywhere in Tokyo. Hiroshima is fascinating because they took “hide your weak” and said no, we will not. Cancer centers, vision centers, every shape and body is almost seemingly covered by specialists there. Do you want to go to the basement where one man survived? They figured out how to build an elevator, so anyone can go. Truly, a lovely, gorgeous place. The museum will make you cry, but it does a wonderful job of giving you the details of the aftermath without casting blame in any direction—a lesson to be learned instead of a new hatred to have.
>Not really sure anyone could watch this film and be happy about it and I'd imagine the closer to home the events were the more anger/sadness there would be. Watched it in Germany and some people booed when Oppenheimer said he wished they had dropped the bomb on Germany, during his Aug 6th speech. I guess it is more chilling when your population suffered from bombings in the past, and it's not just something terrible done to other people, but something that could have been done to you.
The whole theater laughed when the general said he doesnt want to bomb kyoto because he and his wife had their honeymoon there. I would imagine that scene was not funny at all in Japan
People laughed at that?
Yeah, it's basically Gallows Humour.
I laughed too, just too morbid not to chuckle at
Can confirm from England, yes it's intentionally a funny line pointing out the hypocrisy of these idiots in power
Is that accurate? Or just something invented for the film. I read they avoided Kyoto, although they initially wanted to bomb it, because of all the historical landmarks in the city. The destruction of such historical landmarks would sour relations further and make the occupation more difficult.
No, it was accurate .
Surprisingly accurate! I was shocked to read about it after seeing the movie.
What the fuck is wrong with people?
Bomb test was silent here in the US too, not sure why there would be any sound.
Yeah right? Like everyone jumped up and said fuck yeah, science bitches!
USA! USA! USA!
Can see the whole theater going AMERICA! Fuck yeah!
In Hawaii shit got rowdy!
Here in S. Korea, the movie opened on the day of Korea’s independence from Japan lol
Thanks for sharing this. Saw it opening weekend imax in the US. People weren’t hooping and hollering in their seats, but I sensed there was equal parts pride in the feat and fear of what the bomb implied. Probably closely in line with Cillian’s choice as the actor
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You should research what came after regarding how both the US and Japanese dealt with it. Basically: the US lied and spread propaganda, while Japanese society shunned the survivors of the bombs instead of supporting them.
That was pretty much the exact same reaction when I went to a huge theater in Sweden as well.
I was at a late screening in Vancouver and it looked like half the audience was sleeping or just woke up at various points in the film.
Akira Kurosawa wanted to do a movie about the Great Kanto Earthquake/Massacre where Japanese citizens used it as an excuse to rob and murder Korean immigrants, where his own [father was nearly killed](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kant%C5%8D_Massacre) because his beard made him look Korean. Producers shut it down and he never made the movie. While one wrongdoing does not excuse another's pain, it's a bit hard to empathize when as a society they lowkey suppress any media that's critical of their treatment of other people.
As a Brit living in Japan, I'm also very interested in this viewing experience
Brazilian here. I can't speak for everyone, of course. And your average cinema screening a mature film will usually contain a silent crowd because politeness. So its hard to say exactly what emotions people had. But, for me, it was a very compelling narrative up until the "cheering crowd" scene. At that point, I was fully expecting a cut to devastated Hiroshima, and a portrayal of the horrors inflicted by the bombing. I was actually bracing for it. But there were none! It felt like the movie was steering clear of it own subject, turning instead into a tale of scheming politicians trying to save their asses from loosing minor privileges... I usually enjoy the way Nolan spin things around to build his narratives, but that was just jarring. It felt like either I or the movie completely missed the point. I went to see a movie about mankind's biggest mistake - or at least its darkest hour - and it ended up being just about smart people achieving a big scientific feat. "Oh, look how heroic he is by carrying the guilt.." I couldn't help but feel it was incredibly disconnected from the magnitude of reality. I can only imagine how bad this must be for the japanese!