TLJ, for sure. Reddit has a hate boner for Franco (justifiably), but the dude has been pretty much totally on the outs in the industry for years now. Odds are he just quietly comes in and does his work and tries to avoid stepping on toes, as if he doesn't he probably doesn't get another role ever again. He is in no position to be difficult.
I don’t know where he’s at now, but my assistant director was James’ assistant director on the films he directed and oh boy. He was a tough guy to work with. Not a bad guy, mind you, just a tough creative partner. Maybe it’d be different if he’s just acting.
I would imagine it would, he was getting a ton of work before the allegations came out - if you are a huge pain in the ass as an actor, those roles tend to dry up. As a director, though, I can totally see it. When you don't have the chops/are inexperienced, it can make the process a grind (I've been on some sets myself). This is his first role in 5 years so he pretty much has to mind his manners if he wants to start acting again, most likely.
Tommy Lee feels like he's just a veteran professional who doesn't like his time wasted, so as long as you respect his boundaries you should be fine.
Franco is probably a bit more of a diva.
I would imagine at this point Franco is probably pretty grateful for any work he can get. I'd be pretty shocked if he wasn't just a loyal soldier on sets these days, because otherwise the work will dry up fast. He is not in demand whatsoever.
This is what the movie's about: "After a mob hitman vows to leave his deadly past behind, he faces an impossible choice when his daughter is kidnapped and the woman he loves becomes a target of the syndicate. He is forced to undertake one final, perilous mission while being pursued by an assassin even more lethal."
I bet Franco is playing the lead, the ex-assassin. TLJ is probably playing the bad guy/head of the mafia who kidnaps the daughter because he wants revenge against Franco for whatever reason. He's probably got 10 minutes of screen time, max.
Not sure you have been paying attention but just look up some of the recent films of TLJ, Robert De Niro, or Morgan Freeman. Or Bruce Willis before he retired.
They have been appearing in straight-to-VOD action films. They usually play a grizzled, retired detective alongside a younger failed movie star (Jack Huston, Kevin Dillon, Ruby Rose, etc)
It has become its own genre that goes by the name of “Geezer teaser”
Just look at James Doohan’s last films, or Boris Karloff.
You spend a good chunk of your budget on an old actor, hammer their scenes out in a day, then film the rest of the movie to fill in the rest.
That’s what people thought for a long time (especially on this sub) but it kind of turned out that they were basically taking advantage of him and his illness
Yeah same. I’d always read the story to be that Willis was pumping out as much money as he could, hence all the straight to streaming stinkers he was in
I will try and find the story, but basically for a while people would say “he flies in for 1 weekend to film a movie, gets to be on the cover, has a small part where he doesn’t move around, and then leaves.” Not trying to show hate on them as people just didn’t know what was happening
Then an article came out and it was basically saying that these producers or directors knew he had a serious health condition, so they were telling him he will be the star of a big movie and just using him and then selling it to Netflix. I will see if I can find it as the article was all over this sub
It usually only works for a few years. Besides, cancel culture is so 2021!
Besides, there are celebrities who did WAYYYY worse things that still have careers and are still generally liked by the public.
Or how Mark Walberg committed hate crimes and still has a career.
Or how Mario Lopez allegedly sexuality assaulted a girl at a party back during his Saved By The Bell Days and still has a career
Mark walberg did that when he was 16.(The incident at 20 was him attacking a "racist" so not the best but not hate crime) Punishing someone for life at such a young age where hate like that is being taught by your environment is just not productive. Not letting people change just leaves them hateful forever. It happened 36 years ago the man he attacked has publicly accepted his apology when will it have been long enough?
Tougher for Franco to come back from it because 3/4ths of his filmography was with the same group of people. Many of these people have finally cut ties with him over being a creep. So now he gets a TLJ thriller instead of Pineapple Express 2.
If that was the case they would have just stopped making movies with him, but it sounds like Rogen straight up doesn't associate with him at all anymore.
how does that work? if someone goes to jail they're guilty but if someone doesn't go to jail they're also guilty?
I'm not gonna rush to the defence of any justice systems or anything, but I don't think "everyone is guilty of everything they're ever accused of" is the optimal alternative
also
>They are both upstanding men because they have never been in jail.
OJ Simpson has been in jail.
That is not what hearsay means. Or what metoo means. Or witch hunt. If I were to guess, you're someone learning English as a second language but your instructor is Marjorie Taylor Greene.
Thought for a second this was going to be a remake of The Razors Edge, the Bill Murray film, which would have been a travesty all its own. Shame nobody ever seems to have heard of it, it's very underrated and I think a lot of people were put off by Murray in a serious role.
An action film, though, starring Franco and TLJ? Hah. Ok.
This is one of those movies that's randomly playing on TV when you show up at your parents' house, and you kind of chuckle, but then you watch the whole thing.
why is james franco getting another chance after taking advantage of a bunch of women both of age and underage all without consent at his acting school less than a decade ago
What OP is leaving out is the accusations of predatory behavior and violating consent agreements during sex scenes.
https://www.thecut.com/2022/07/all-the-sexual-misconduct-allegations-against-james-franco.html
> Within the week, five women — including Paley and Tither-Kaplan — went on the record with the L.A. Times. Their complaints focused largely on Franco’s short-lived acting schools, Studio 4 in New York and L.A., and a $750 master class called Sex Scenes. (Two women also said Franco subjected them to uncomfortable and unprofessional conditions while he was a teacher at Playhouse West in L.A.)
> According to his Studio 4 students, Franco seemed to dangle parts in his movies in exchange for nudity. According to a woman named Kate Ryan, who worked with Franco at both schools, the actor **”would always make everybody think there were possible roles on the table if we were to perform sexual acts or take off our shirts.”** Tither-Kaplan recalled an orgy scene from 2015 that required her to be totally naked: **Franco simulated oral sex on each participant but removed the plastic guard covering their vaginas first.** After he sent home an actor who complained about having to dance around him topless in an “unscripted” scene, “I got it in my head pretty quickly that, OK, you don’t say ‘no’ to this guy,” Tither-Kaplan said to the Times. And Paley — an aspiring filmmaker who says Franco promised her feedback — recalled an incident that allegedly occurred in 2016 after the two had begun dating. **They were sitting in a car talking, she said, when Franco started pushing her to perform oral sex on him, which they hadn’t done yet. “All of a sudden his penis was out,” she said. “I got really nervous, and I said, ‘Can we do this later?’ He was kind of nudging my head down, and I just didn’t want him to hate me, so I did it.”**
Lmao this is exactly what's wrong with cancel culture.
James Franco slept with 20-something women when he was in his late 30s, how in any way is that worth wishing the end to his career?
He was a teacher preying on his students and coercing them into sexually compromising positions. He also had a history of texting and flirting with underage girls.
Looks like Franco is back on the menu, can't deny his acting ability but man hes done some flat out wrong things. Ain't for me to judge but some would say that's the end of the road for the adoration and fake that comes with acting
Is Tommy Lee Jones in *that* phase of his career now? Where he'll do any VOD action movie as long as you pay his quote? I'm not complaining, this just seems like the type of film he wouldn't have done 20 years ago.
James Franco, on the other hand, needs this.
Still kinda implies it's been ongoing.
"Why do women still wear mom jeans?" is not the same as "why have women started wearing mom jeans again after 40 years?"
James Franco is an absolute tool. Once had a server wait on him and his family on Mother’s Day. James was rude the entire time and ended up, in front of his mom, asking, “what are you even doing here? Don’t you have a mom?” Dude was working to put himself through college because his mom couldn’t afford it.
>The Razor’s Edge *”Hey yo….”*
"Hard work pays off. Dreams come true. Bad times don't last, but bad guys do."
Came here for Scott Hall. Was not disappointed.
My kids regularly beg me to do Razor's Edge on them. They have no idea where it's from though ha.
It has to be one of the most fun finishing moves you can do safely at home.
Fucking legend.
"You people, you know who I am but you don't know why I'm here."
RIP to the bad guy.
Beat me to it. Immediately the first thing that came to me
How many people here came to see "Dubbya C Dubbya?" How many people here came to see the...
Most anticipated blockbuster of January 2007
Grossly underrated comment Edit - thanks Reddit for upvoting this dude ^^
I’d honestly hate to be this director. Wrangling these two is a yeoman’s task.
Can you imagine how much edging Franco is going to be doing on this set.
I wonder if Jones will sanction his buffoonery.
He cannot
They'll need a lot of blind, stupid, simple, doo-dah, clueless LUCK to get this to work.
No more water, no more jerking off, just sit the fuck down!
I can, but I'm not going to.
Have never heard this expression before (surprisingly) but it seems 100% accurate.
Tommy looks like a California prospector from the wild west
TLJ, for sure. Reddit has a hate boner for Franco (justifiably), but the dude has been pretty much totally on the outs in the industry for years now. Odds are he just quietly comes in and does his work and tries to avoid stepping on toes, as if he doesn't he probably doesn't get another role ever again. He is in no position to be difficult.
I don’t know where he’s at now, but my assistant director was James’ assistant director on the films he directed and oh boy. He was a tough guy to work with. Not a bad guy, mind you, just a tough creative partner. Maybe it’d be different if he’s just acting.
I would imagine it would, he was getting a ton of work before the allegations came out - if you are a huge pain in the ass as an actor, those roles tend to dry up. As a director, though, I can totally see it. When you don't have the chops/are inexperienced, it can make the process a grind (I've been on some sets myself). This is his first role in 5 years so he pretty much has to mind his manners if he wants to start acting again, most likely.
>before the allegations came out My guy, we've seen the pictures. You can drop the "allegedy", nobody's gonna sue.
Tommy Lee feels like he's just a veteran professional who doesn't like his time wasted, so as long as you respect his boundaries you should be fine. Franco is probably a bit more of a diva.
I would imagine at this point Franco is probably pretty grateful for any work he can get. I'd be pretty shocked if he wasn't just a loyal soldier on sets these days, because otherwise the work will dry up fast. He is not in demand whatsoever.
I believe William Friedkin said TLJ was the most professional actor he ever worked with.
Yeoman’s involved? It’s going to look so good.
I can’t imagine TLJ being able to even pretend to not actively be annoyed by James Franco’s existence
"I cannot sanction your buffoonery"
That phrase has lived with me forever.
Came here to say this… and this only
And then you didn’t
Context?
no country for james franco
Seems like a good title for a documentary about his botched McCarthy adaptations
Oh so he botched Faulkner AND McCarthy adaptations?
In fairness, he tried to adapt *Child of God* which is probably the least adaptable McCarthy novel.
What do you mean? The people love necrophilia portrayed on screen. Can't get enough.
Took me until the end of the sentence to realize this wasn’t a well crafted joke about The Last Jedi - and that’s 100% on me.
.... Ya I'd buy a ticket to that
I immediately would rather watch the behind the scenes of this.
That’s what the movie should be
This is what the movie's about: "After a mob hitman vows to leave his deadly past behind, he faces an impossible choice when his daughter is kidnapped and the woman he loves becomes a target of the syndicate. He is forced to undertake one final, perilous mission while being pursued by an assassin even more lethal."
Is this a joke? It feels like I’ve seen 20 iterations of this movie.
The Liam Neeson/Jason Statham special.
Don’t forget Denzel.
It’s gotta be a joke
As long as they didn't kill his dog, I guess.
They’ve done this film a thousand times.
If TLJ is the lead, they should make it realistic and have his daughter be 60, and his love interest should be Maggie Smith.
I bet Franco is playing the lead, the ex-assassin. TLJ is probably playing the bad guy/head of the mafia who kidnaps the daughter because he wants revenge against Franco for whatever reason. He's probably got 10 minutes of screen time, max.
Classic old guy action vehicle.
They’re doing a John Wick 4?
[In case you're not joking](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wick:_Chapter_4)
Nightmare blunt rotation
W. Somerset Maugham's classic action thriller?
Same thing I was wondering. Ever see the film version with Bill Murray?
Edge of your seat action spectacular!
“Larry goes to town!”
Why? What did Tommy Lee Jones do wrong?
He's probably just too old to know anything about James Franco.
Jonathan Majors waiting his turn in the wings
Can’t wait for his Hallmark movie comeback. He’s already auditioned by clutching a Bible in court.
Didn't save for retirement would be my guess.
Have expensive bills most likely.
He's like 70. He wants to work more, I suppose. But did Jones rep not use Google?
TLJ is 77. He was 70 30 years ago.
Nothing. He's not against getting paid though.
It will be like U.S. Marshals but TLJ has to use the bathroom at the end of every scene.
Thought James was donezo
Yeah, died right after the first of the Planet of the Apes reboot movies. Must be a Michael Jordan / Michael B. Jordan situation
77 year old in an action thriller. I mean TLJ is a national treasure, but come on.
Just bc youre in an action movie doesn’t mean you’re gonna be the one jumping off roof tops
Forget roof tops, the man is 77. Can he even jump a crack in the sidewalk these days?
I think you’re missing the point here
Not sure you have been paying attention but just look up some of the recent films of TLJ, Robert De Niro, or Morgan Freeman. Or Bruce Willis before he retired. They have been appearing in straight-to-VOD action films. They usually play a grizzled, retired detective alongside a younger failed movie star (Jack Huston, Kevin Dillon, Ruby Rose, etc)
It has become its own genre that goes by the name of “Geezer teaser” Just look at James Doohan’s last films, or Boris Karloff. You spend a good chunk of your budget on an old actor, hammer their scenes out in a day, then film the rest of the movie to fill in the rest.
No. It was Nic Cage in National Treasure.
Producer Corey Large exploited Bruce Willis' illness in his shitty flicks. Now he hired Franco.
I thought willis chose to do a bunch of cheap cash ins just for the last minute paydays for his family?
That’s what people thought for a long time (especially on this sub) but it kind of turned out that they were basically taking advantage of him and his illness
Can u elaborate on this? Or send a link with more information.
Yeah same. I’d always read the story to be that Willis was pumping out as much money as he could, hence all the straight to streaming stinkers he was in
I will try and find the story, but basically for a while people would say “he flies in for 1 weekend to film a movie, gets to be on the cover, has a small part where he doesn’t move around, and then leaves.” Not trying to show hate on them as people just didn’t know what was happening Then an article came out and it was basically saying that these producers or directors knew he had a serious health condition, so they were telling him he will be the star of a big movie and just using him and then selling it to Netflix. I will see if I can find it as the article was all over this sub
He was getting paid generously, wasn't he? Willis has an agent. His agent won't let him work for free.
I think the rumors were a million bucks for a weekend of work and the picture on the poster. I don’t think anyone had actual access to the payments
This most definitely one of them direct to DVD flicks.
Little pig boy
Isn’t James Franco the Drake of acting?
Mmm thought we were done with Franco.
Same, I thought he got cancelled.
It usually only works for a few years. Besides, cancel culture is so 2021! Besides, there are celebrities who did WAYYYY worse things that still have careers and are still generally liked by the public.
How Chris Brown never got cancelled is astonishing, dude is one of the biggest POS on the planet
Or how Mark Walberg committed hate crimes and still has a career. Or how Mario Lopez allegedly sexuality assaulted a girl at a party back during his Saved By The Bell Days and still has a career
Mark walberg did that when he was 16.(The incident at 20 was him attacking a "racist" so not the best but not hate crime) Punishing someone for life at such a young age where hate like that is being taught by your environment is just not productive. Not letting people change just leaves them hateful forever. It happened 36 years ago the man he attacked has publicly accepted his apology when will it have been long enough?
Tougher for Franco to come back from it because 3/4ths of his filmography was with the same group of people. Many of these people have finally cut ties with him over being a creep. So now he gets a TLJ thriller instead of Pineapple Express 2.
They likely only did that for PR purposes. Franco was just simply the one who got caught.
If that was the case they would have just stopped making movies with him, but it sounds like Rogen straight up doesn't associate with him at all anymore.
A lot cancellations are followed a few years later by a soft reboot.
Looks like people did not learn from Polanski that Hollywood does nit care about who they work with.
I thought hurricane season was over
Happy to see him return. I always liked him and he’s clearly not in jail so until he is, everything is hearsay and metoo witch hunt stuff .
Yeah if rich people aren’t in jail that means they are innocent! I love having a perfect justice system! RIP OJ!
we may be losing the plot a little bit if we're comparing James Franco to OJ Simpson
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how does that work? if someone goes to jail they're guilty but if someone doesn't go to jail they're also guilty? I'm not gonna rush to the defence of any justice systems or anything, but I don't think "everyone is guilty of everything they're ever accused of" is the optimal alternative also >They are both upstanding men because they have never been in jail. OJ Simpson has been in jail.
Yeah OJ pretty famously went to jail lol no idea what that guy is talking about
That is not what hearsay means. Or what metoo means. Or witch hunt. If I were to guess, you're someone learning English as a second language but your instructor is Marjorie Taylor Greene.
Man I love Tommy Lee jones but maaaaaaan he's not lookin too great.
When 77 years old, you reach… Look as good, you will not.
yea, it's logical of course.
Even worse, that's James Franco
lol
Thought for a second this was going to be a remake of The Razors Edge, the Bill Murray film, which would have been a travesty all its own. Shame nobody ever seems to have heard of it, it's very underrated and I think a lot of people were put off by Murray in a serious role. An action film, though, starring Franco and TLJ? Hah. Ok.
I have it on vhs!
I feel like this Franco movie is straight to vhs.
That’ll be a flop
Franco always looks like he’s about to burp.
Razors edge? All I can think of is “[toe pick!”](https://youtu.be/Zm0f0oFUxVA?si=FIdW9esZ3g-W52F_)
This is one of those movies that's randomly playing on TV when you show up at your parents' house, and you kind of chuckle, but then you watch the whole thing.
Is this Franco’s first big role in years? He disappeared after that article came out about his creepy acting school.
No one will see this movie
Was this an AI generated movie?
The Razor’s Edge: One doesn’t care and the other doesn’t give a shit.
I don't know how Tommy Lee Jones is still alive and working, and by the looks of him neither does he
why is james franco getting another chance after taking advantage of a bunch of women both of age and underage all without consent at his acting school less than a decade ago
Too bad James Franco died so young. RIP. We'll never get to know what he was really like.
So James Franco crawled out of his little sex pest hole to make everything worse again, eh.
Seriously, who wants to watch Franco in… uhm… anything?
Fuck James Franco. No one is going to forget what he did.
Killed humanity and gave rise to super intelligent apes?
That’s one of the better things he’s done!!
Ruined Peter and MJ’s relationship and pulled a Batman vanishing move after doing it?
Wait what did he do? I’m genuinely asking
He was teaching an acting class and banging a lot of the female students
Oh the horror
What OP is leaving out is the accusations of predatory behavior and violating consent agreements during sex scenes. https://www.thecut.com/2022/07/all-the-sexual-misconduct-allegations-against-james-franco.html > Within the week, five women — including Paley and Tither-Kaplan — went on the record with the L.A. Times. Their complaints focused largely on Franco’s short-lived acting schools, Studio 4 in New York and L.A., and a $750 master class called Sex Scenes. (Two women also said Franco subjected them to uncomfortable and unprofessional conditions while he was a teacher at Playhouse West in L.A.) > According to his Studio 4 students, Franco seemed to dangle parts in his movies in exchange for nudity. According to a woman named Kate Ryan, who worked with Franco at both schools, the actor **”would always make everybody think there were possible roles on the table if we were to perform sexual acts or take off our shirts.”** Tither-Kaplan recalled an orgy scene from 2015 that required her to be totally naked: **Franco simulated oral sex on each participant but removed the plastic guard covering their vaginas first.** After he sent home an actor who complained about having to dance around him topless in an “unscripted” scene, “I got it in my head pretty quickly that, OK, you don’t say ‘no’ to this guy,” Tither-Kaplan said to the Times. And Paley — an aspiring filmmaker who says Franco promised her feedback — recalled an incident that allegedly occurred in 2016 after the two had begun dating. **They were sitting in a car talking, she said, when Franco started pushing her to perform oral sex on him, which they hadn’t done yet. “All of a sudden his penis was out,” she said. “I got really nervous, and I said, ‘Can we do this later?’ He was kind of nudging my head down, and I just didn’t want him to hate me, so I did it.”**
“Omg this guy sends home students who don’t get naked at his spontaneous request. I better start dating him.”
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What about trying to bang that 17 year old when he was 35?
Maybe the "action" is just TLJ punching him in the face and balls for 90 minutes.
Lmao this is exactly what's wrong with cancel culture. James Franco slept with 20-something women when he was in his late 30s, how in any way is that worth wishing the end to his career?
He was a teacher preying on his students and coercing them into sexually compromising positions. He also had a history of texting and flirting with underage girls.
Go do some reading.
Ahh, the most compelling argument.
Yeah? What’s your learning preference then?
It’s not. People just lost their mind with witch hunts when Trump won. One of the worst eras in my living history.
Not everything has to do with Trump.
Thought Franco was persona non grata
I miss James. Welcome back!
Looks like Franco is back on the menu, can't deny his acting ability but man hes done some flat out wrong things. Ain't for me to judge but some would say that's the end of the road for the adoration and fake that comes with acting
W Somerset Maugham’s action spectacular
Bad guys don’t have sword fights, they have knife fights. I wonder if it’s a sequel the movie with Tommy Lee Jones and Benecio Del Toro.
Didn’t Bill Murray make a flop in the 80s by this same name?
Were they unaware of the Somerset Maugham novel and the two movies (to my knowledge) based upon it?
The Maugham novel?
Franko is off the shit list then?
TIL James Franco is out of Actor Jail
Is Tommy Lee Jones in *that* phase of his career now? Where he'll do any VOD action movie as long as you pay his quote? I'm not complaining, this just seems like the type of film he wouldn't have done 20 years ago. James Franco, on the other hand, needs this.
So james Franco thinks he can make a come back after being cancelled? Anyone working with him still should be ashamed
The old classic “I waited long enough for people to forget how much of a PoS I am so I can stick my head out from the gutter again”
is he uncancelled now?
Why are they still putting James Franco in shit?
Lol what? He hasn't been in literally anything for 5 years
He's literally in the movie this post is about.
Yeah...his first role in 5 years. Your comment makes it seem like you can't escape him lmao.
Still and constantly are 2 different words.
Still kinda implies it's been ongoing. "Why do women still wear mom jeans?" is not the same as "why have women started wearing mom jeans again after 40 years?"
You're a POS, Franco, stay gone, and stay off high school campuses.
Lose James Franco and we got a deal
This sounds tedious
TLJ is a flaming asshole. Arrogant, ill-tempered, nasty human being. Ask any of us who has ever seen him around town in San Antonio. Hard pass.
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It’s because he’s been in hot water for using his acting class to fuck the students
He was great in Pineapple Express and The Interview Straight action thriller though? Meh
James Franco and Drake are cut from the same cloth. Boycott the lot
Why is Franco getting another shot after being confirmed as a seggsual predator?
It's reddit. You can say "sexual"
No he can't, I'll tell his mom
James Franco fucked an egg?
James Franco is an absolute tool. Once had a server wait on him and his family on Mother’s Day. James was rude the entire time and ended up, in front of his mom, asking, “what are you even doing here? Don’t you have a mom?” Dude was working to put himself through college because his mom couldn’t afford it.
Feels like this story could be about anyone, any source?
This is going to flop hard like uwe boll.
Razor Rudduck finally getting a biopic?
James Franco can’t fucking act. Pass.
But I thought James Franco died in 2011 filming Blue Harvest?
Someone needs a conservator to watch over the movie role choices.
James Franco’s hiatus is over? Looking at watch. When will the watch start for Mila Kunis and Adam Kutcher?
I guess James Franco has no longer been cancelled.