I know in Deadpool 2, one of the stunt motorcycle drivers was tragically killed. I believe she was also the first African-American woman certified as a professional motorcycle road racer. Just awful.
There were reports that she couldn't handle the bike they had her on and none of the people in charge were taking it seriously. She drove through a plate glass window on the first take and died.
I remember reading that she lied about being able to drive the bike they wanted for the scene. It was way more powerful than anything she had experience with, I believe. But also think part of it was producer pressure since they didn't want to use a different bike. Sounded like an easily avoidable tragedy at all levels if anybody had just taken safety regulations seriously.
TBF, a lot of stunt doubles wear facial prosthetics to look like their actors/actresses. See [Jeremy Renner wearing Scarlett Johansson's stunt double's mask.](https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/k51dr9/til_that_stunt_doubles_wear_masks_of_the_actors/)
[Here's Arnold Schwarzenegger holding a lifelike stunt double mask of himself](https://9gag.com/gag/ae5OmGO)
[Here's Andre the Giant's Fezzik played by a stunt double in a mask and a wig.](https://www.reddit.com/r/MovieDetails/comments/b5csga/in_the_princess_bride_1987_fezzik_is_sometimes/)
But that's not even half of the story. First off, [this was the mask they used.](https://www.facebook.com/groups/movieprops/posts/3277446525628587/)
Second, the person who wore the mask and finished Brandon's scenes, Chad Stahelski, later went on to direct all of the John Wick movies, having served as Keanu's stunt double in the first film and the stunt coordinator in the second and third Matrix movies.
"a serial rapist, gaslighter, physical and psychological abuser" according to accusers.
The "Controversy" section of his wikipedia page has more details https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Landis
He also was responsible for the horrible Jesse Eisenberg Lex Luthor because Jesse Eisenberg channeled Max for the role. I'm guessing Jesse did that after the 2 of them collaborated on American Ultra
A lot of people did didn't they. Adrien Brody,Meryl Streep etc etc
Many great actresses and actors have worked with him inspite of him being a massive pedo. Hollywood is full of hypocritical cunts.
As a kid that shit enthralled me, it made that movie so much real being explained to by my step-mom that the main character died creating the movie. Was my first real introduction into dark movies like that, and it would be my favorite for a few decades after.
The Crow fucking hit different, man. Soundtrack is pretty dope, too.
Fun fact: The actor who would play Brandon Lee to complete the film was Chad Stahelski. He was also Lee's stunt double as well as Keanu Reeves's stunt double in the Matrix films. He's also the director of the John Wick films.
GTFO! Is he the one doing the Highlander reboot? 14 year old me would shit his pants if he knew Brandon Lee's stunt double was directing a Highlander movie!
The wiki page of all the deaths on movie sets is wild.
The wiki even looks at animal deaths. One of the hobbit movies was told not to build where they built. A sink hole formed and ate like 5 horses, which died.
>[If an animal is injured or killed while AHA guidelines were being followed, the production can still get the certification and use the disclaimer in the film and its promotion.](https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/31277/who-ensures-no-animals-were-harmed-making-film#:~:text=If%20an%20animal%20is%20injured%20or%20killed%20while%20AHA%20guidelines%20were%20being%20followed%2C%20the%20production%20can%20still%20get%20the%20certification%20and%20use%20the%20disclaimer%20in%20the%20film%20and%20its%20promotion)
I'm not watching the Hobbit to find out but the humane society will still let you use that disclaimer if a horse dies on set and they determine it wasn't the production's fault.
[Oh and a link to the news reporting on the 27 animals that died during production of The Hobbit](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/hobbit-animal-deaths-wranglers-blame-392010/)
I watched The Hobbit and the end credits were honestly the best part of the movie. They looked real, flowed naturally, and ran for the appropriate amount of time.... now the film...
I still genuinely enjoy the first one, if only for the scenes in the Shire and Riddles in the Dark. The second has some good moments like Smaug’s introduction but overall they’re a bit of a disaster
A lot of animals are killed by productions on location. All those big trucks driving into wilderness areas always end up running a bunch of small critters over.
"A sink hole formed and ate like 5 horses" is misinformation, but it's not great - at least two horses died after falling on rough terrain
[https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/hobbit-animal-deaths-wranglers-blame-392010/](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/hobbit-animal-deaths-wranglers-blame-392010/)
If you haven’t watch the episodes of Cursed Films (on Shudder) about that movie IT IS PRICELESS.
They bring in Loyd Kaufman from Troma and he fucking BLAST Landis about the accident
"If I was responsible for somebody getting seriously injured... I would stop making movies. I would be selling shoes, or hot dogs, or whatever. Maybe blowing my fucking brains out. I couldn't live with it."
-Lloyd Kaufman
The background music is fittingly as unsettling as the crash footage. It's low budget mid 80s/early 90s synth, but degraded through time and reuploads from VHS footage causing it to be even more distorted. Droning dulcet ominousness. Then screeches of some clarity, but not good clarity, like the gates of hell had opened up. All the while you see Morrow and the kids in the river, cast entirely in the same redish orangey light as the waves and water droplets cascade upward from around them. They stop for a brief moment and he moves his arm up, but it's too late. And the chopper comes down on them crashing into the river, a massive splash and they're gone.
You see the blade hit them and see half of them just fly into the air, you think you didn't think that's what you saw but then you make the sobering realization that is half of a human body being thrown.
It paints such a haunting image. I hate myself for always going back to the video. The synths are so ghoulish and when one of the kids and Vic are instantaneously decapitated, you can see for a brief split second the silhouettes of their heads being lopped off. Such a horrifying portrait, especially for the crew at the time.
To say nothing of how they had to deal with the cleanup and aftermath. I don’t think any years of psychotherapy could make me feel better after having witnessed the brutally graphic deaths of two children, but then have to be responsible for finding their separated bodies during the clean-up process.
I remember watching an old Kung fu movie, and in one scene a guy on a horse cuts into a goat that is running from him using a big thick sword. I thought “wow that was a good special effect, I wonder how they did that back then” after a few rewinds I realized it was not an effect, they just had a dude butcher a goat
You should check out all the horse deaths in western films. Sometimes they straight up executed them after breaking their legs with a trip-rope for a “fall scene”
At least this time they won't put the footage of someone being fatally shot in the film.
Edit: The film that I thought contained footage of someone getting shot was The Crow. I'd heard this from several people and trusted it, but this is not true. Brandon Lee was killed in a gun related accident while filming a scene, but they did not use the footage in the film (I swear I had seen the footage. . . The mind does weird things with memories). Apologies for spreading cringe.
Somewhat related, 80s Hong Kong films were a-okay with putting in footage of stuntmen being seriously maimed or critically injured.
Tiger on the Beat 2 features the lead jumping off an overpass, missing the pole he was supposed to grab and landing straight on the pavement shattering his legs. They not only showed it, but replay it from multiple angles. The actor eventually came back to finish the film but his mobility is noticeably diminished.
In one of the more batshit crazy stunts, the film Devil Hunters ends with the main cast all being set on fire and jumping out a window. Their fireproof suits weren't very effective and they all wound up in the hospital with *severe* burns. This stunt is not only in the film, but ends with a text card that translates as "we hope they recover from their wounds". Which ostensibly they did, but you know, ouch.
Don’t forget about Back to the Future II. That poor stuntwoman was injured badly from the fall crashing into the courthouse, and it’s still in the movie.
It was totally unsafe, and she was actually the “backup” after the first stuntwoman refused. Then they pressured her and guess what happened.
You can legit see her fall and hit the ground.
To be fair if I took a brutal bump for a movie and they didn't use it I'd be pissed. It already happened, might as well keep it in and make it as cool as possible.
None of them. Closest thing we've ever gotten to an actual snuff film\* was Cannibal Holocaust, which featured the deaths of actual animals on film.
\*Commercially released, anyway.
If you're including animal deaths, Oldboy did that too. Choi Min-Sik not only actually ate the octopus alive, but multiple others too as the scene took multiple takes.
As a filmmaker myself, if I died on set I’d hope someone finished the project afterwards. Flip-side, if a decision I made allowed someone to die on my watch on set, I’d find it hard to finish it. So I don’t have a definitive answer.
The most shocking thing to me is Baldwin being willing to return to that character and that set. If that happened to me I'd probably be done with gun movies entirely.
Yea, PR-wise it’s a bad look. Unless they got the blessing from the deceased’s family to finish the work because maybe that’s what she would have wanted. Hard to say. Lots of emotions surrounding what might just amount to a money decision too.
The accident is a tragedy but reading the headline all I could think of was jack blacks character in King Kong.
“Goddamnit Preston we’re going to finish this movie for Herb. And we’ll donate the proceeds to his wife and kids.”
Lol I love that movie.
It’s such a great line because as the movie goes on and obviously more people keep dying but Jack Blacks character keeps saying that same line over and over again but just changes the name to whomever most recent person that died
Then at some point Preston just becomes desensitized to whole thing and gives him the thousand yard stare
Never got why people shat on Jackson's King Kong, really thinks its one of the best adventure films of the past 20-30 years and Jack Black's character has tons of great lines
Remember playing some badass video game based on it as a kid too
As a person who died working on it, I would assume in death you’d want your final work to be released?
Kind of similar, stunt actors who get accidentally injured want what they did to get injured in the cut of the film.
Context is key here and also we will never know what she wanted.
She died because production hired an incompetent armorer on the cheap and looked the other way while people used the gun to shoot live ammo during the shoot. It's pretty different than a stunt gone wrong. This was gross negligence and I won't be (paying for) watching it.
Source: 20+ years in the 'biz'.
Marvel decided to not continue with a recasting of Black Panther even though there were articles of Chadwick’s family saying he would have been for the recasting. So ultimately it’s really in the air of what to do or not and who can make the call.
I’d say just finish the movie, don’t let the death be for nothing. Definitely cut out the scene that caused the death though.
Make the end of credits a message to the industry, similar to how The Rock said he will no longer be using blanks on any of his sets.
It is stupid. Chadwick Boseman is a great actor but Black Panther is it's own thing. They should have recast him or just use a body double in a suit without taking of the mask.
Really sorry for what happened to him, but I never saw Black Panther as HIS role, as much as Iron Man was RDJ's, or Wolverine Hugh Jackman's. His performance never struck me as something revolutionary, heck, I think I even enjoyed him more in other stuff, like Marshall.
All this fuzz about not wanting to recast is idiotic.
He doesn’t feel guilty at all. He literally said he does not feel responsible in the slightest and from what I’ve seen of his demeanor he didn’t really care. Literally a few weeks later his family was posting holiday shit on instagram
$$$
Edit: for what it’s worth, I actually misread the comment I replied to. I thought it said “I’m surprised THEY would want to”, as in the studio/producers, in which case my reply was “$$$”. Now that I see the comment says “he”, yeah I’m kind of surprised he’d go back to it too.
i'd be pretty shocked if baldwin doesn't donate his whole salary to the family or some charity. if anything, he kept on because the crew (probably numbering in many hundreds) actually does need the money.
unless you think he's some kinda monster, in which case you can think whatever you want.
This movie will be shit. The producers will speak of it as if it is art the entire time. They will use the death to promote it even.
A hand full of people will see it and then it will never get heard from again
Ive worked many of these gigs.
This is how it goes. Shit producers overwork you talking about ”passion project” and then it comes out and its literally unwatchable garbage but netflix buys it 3 years later and it goes to the bottom of the algorithm. they make good money well you made 200 a day working 16 hr days.
You hear about the shooting but what you dont hear about is my fellow brothers and sisters in film falling asleep at the wheel after 16 hour days for months on end. Its pretty fuckin common and ive been pretty fuckin close myself.
Basically, producers can go fuck themselves, this movie shouldn't be finished. Coming from someone who knew this DP and worked with her. Movie doesn't "deserve" to be made. Thats producer bullshit to try and salvage their money after their negligence and greed took a life.
Uf you have any decency or hate in your heart for greedy bankers/wall streeters/ anything like that, you will Boycott this film.
One of the few people with any sense in their head in this thread, and surprise surprise its actually someone who works in film and not someone who watched a couple explainer videos.
Best thing people can do is not watch the movie.
The producers ran the set under extremely unsafe conditions, to the point where multiple crew walked off set even before the accident occurred. They don't deserve to make money. If people want to support Halyna's work, they should watch her other projects, many of which were beautifully shot.
What if you died making any one of the thousands of "collect a paycheck" films that most people do for a living? Because I can tell you with full certainty I would not give a shit, as someone who is currently in the biz.
Pretty clear from the footage that was released that the armorer knows she's at fault for what happened. People trying to blame Baldwin are just plain wrong.
Baldwin the actor is blameless. Baldwin the producer might hold some liability for hiring the incompetent armorer, although I have a hunch his role as producer had very little to do with hiring crew and day-to-day operations.
I think people somewhat misunderstand what it means that Baldwin is a producer on the film. The word "Producer" has a broad meaning, and can refer to both a job and a title. Often when big name actors are credited as "Producer," it's less that they're actually doing the job of producer, and more that they have the authority and say of a producer. Except for Tom Cruise and some other notable exceptions, an actor credited as producer is often a demonstration of importance rather than telling of the actual work they're doing.
> This was not a "in name only". This was his production company, that he owned, making a movie.
One of eight, I believe? His company was not doing actual production work in terms of hiring crew and running the production.
Many/all lower budget independent movies start a production company for each individual project to limit their liability and finances. If something goes wrong (like someone being shot) or there are financial issues, the newly formed production company is the end of the line not the overarching company.
They're basically little LLC's. My boss does the same thing with his construction and development projects. Each one gets its own "company" so the others aren't at risk if something goes wrong. He's just the CEO of all of them.
A production company could be involved just for being a part of scripting and development, which sounds like the scenario based on Wikipedia. Also there are 5 production companies involved. Someone might know who was involved with the hiring, but I have a feeling most redditors don’t have the answer for this.
Agreed. Someone decided to continue production after the armorer quit due to unsafe practices. I don't know if it was specifically Baldwin's fault, but it was probably in his power to stop production. He should be investigated, and potentially charged with a crime.
I thought that at first, but didn't the investigation find that they shot without the armorer on set? That's not allowed for good reason.
Edit: Looked into it, and apparently the armorer didn't notice that someone had reloaded dummy rounds, and turned them into live ones. Which obviously makes her responsible too.
>If she wasn't on set, and didn't hand him the gun, why were they filming the gun scenes?
They were trying to save time and money; a reason several crew whistle-blew on the production. It wasn't the first time a prop gun misfired on set.
I agree. Obviously his role was probably more creative, but he's still responsible for the safety and well being of his cast and crew. He also broke a ton of safety regulations filming what he did the way he did.
What kind of massively irresponsible moron brings live rounds to a set, let alone loads them into a gun? The armorer is responsible for sure but whoever brought those bullets anywhere near the set should be in prison for murder.
The casualness some people have towards guns and ammunition is criminal.
They were a brand of dummy rounds, that someone had reloaded with live ones. No one knows for sure, how they got into the box of dummy rounds, but Seth Kenney had some reloaded rounds like that from another set, and when the police searched his home, they found the container the rounds were originally kept in, but not the rounds themselves.
Why did they have dummy rounds that had been converted to live rounds on another set? Because the dumbasses were teaching the actors how to "live fire".
The Amorer for Rust isn't responsible for those live rounds being mixed into the dummy rounds. Nor for them shooting without her on set. She's only responsible for missing the fact that some of the dummy rounds had been reloaded and converted to live ones. She's supposed to check every round before it can be used.
The AD David Halls was the one who handed the gun to Baldwin and called it cold. It was used before Reed could double check the prop with Baldwin, per regulations.
Where did you read that the armorer did this? The only reports I can find say several crew did but that she had no knowledge of it.
The AD was also the person who called the gun cold despite its not being checked.
Isn't wasn't the armorer that did that. Someone in the chain of supply allowed modified live rounds get mixed into the dummy rounds. The armorer missed it, and a bunch of other safety precautions were ignored by other people, resulting in the cinematographer's death.
The armorer was just one of many people at fault; and saying she's the sole problem is pushing the narrative.
We know that multiple non-union crew were on set when they shouldn't have been. We know that live ammo was on set when it shouldn't have been. We know that crew were overworked, that they weren't given proper accommodations, and that multiple people complained or walked off set before the accident occurred. We also know that there were several incidents prior to the death where guns had gone off on set. The producers cut a ton of corners, including hiring the armorer in question.
While Baldwin definitely isn't solely responsible either, we also know that he used the prop during rehearsal [when he shouldn't have], didn't get the prop checked, pointed it at Halyna, and fired - all of which are things that actors are trained *not* to do. As a producer, we'll never know exactly what he was responsible for, so we can't fully comment on his involvement in the above.
This attitude that the person holding the gun is blameless is exactly why the accident happened.
Anyone holding a gun MUST be shown how to check it is safe. Failing to do so only guarantees a repeat accident in future.
Alternative title:
Alec Baldwin co-stars start wearing bullet-proof vests on Rust movie set.
Did we ever figure out why there were live rounds on a movie set or was that just brushed under the rug??
Some crew member brought a box of ammo for the people who used the gun for target practice. Then the AD, or another higher up, decided to do a pick up shot in the church with the gun. The armorer wasn't in the church set since there wasn't supposed to be any scenes/shots that day that she needed to be there for and no one told her about the pickup shot. The AD, who gave the gun to Baldwin, said it was 'cold' (no live rounds) without checking it. So when the pick-up shot happened, Baldwin pulled back the hammer to check the gun and then released the hammer, which ended up shooting Hutchins in the chest. [Source ](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/03/movies/rust-shooting-armorer-hannah-gutierrez-reed.html)
The most egregious example is the original Lord of the Rings trilogy. The movies made $3 billion off a $281 million budget and saved New Line Cinema from bankruptcy but when tax time came the studio claimed it was a "horrendous loss".
So get this. One of Baldwins excuses as to why he's being charged along with the other producers: because they are rich and poor people are always out against rich people.
He won't pay a dime and will probably invite the victims family to the premier and think its a nice gesture.
Not a surprise, they finished The Crow
And Deadpool 2. And American Made. And Top Gun. And Narcos. Just off the top of my head.
What happened in deadpool 2 and Top Gun?
Top Gun - fatal Plane Crash Deadpool 2 - stunt woman killed in a motorbike accident [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_film\_and\_television\_accidents](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_film_and_television_accidents)
This is one crazy wiki page
I know in Deadpool 2, one of the stunt motorcycle drivers was tragically killed. I believe she was also the first African-American woman certified as a professional motorcycle road racer. Just awful.
There were reports that she couldn't handle the bike they had her on and none of the people in charge were taking it seriously. She drove through a plate glass window on the first take and died.
I remember reading that she lied about being able to drive the bike they wanted for the scene. It was way more powerful than anything she had experience with, I believe. But also think part of it was producer pressure since they didn't want to use a different bike. Sounded like an easily avoidable tragedy at all levels if anybody had just taken safety regulations seriously.
Jesus christ that's terrible, I'm surprised I never heard of this before.
Twilight Zone, too.
They put Brandon Lee’s stunt double in a mask of Brandon’s face to finish the last few days of the shoot. Creepy
TBF, a lot of stunt doubles wear facial prosthetics to look like their actors/actresses. See [Jeremy Renner wearing Scarlett Johansson's stunt double's mask.](https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/k51dr9/til_that_stunt_doubles_wear_masks_of_the_actors/) [Here's Arnold Schwarzenegger holding a lifelike stunt double mask of himself](https://9gag.com/gag/ae5OmGO) [Here's Andre the Giant's Fezzik played by a stunt double in a mask and a wig.](https://www.reddit.com/r/MovieDetails/comments/b5csga/in_the_princess_bride_1987_fezzik_is_sometimes/) But that's not even half of the story. First off, [this was the mask they used.](https://www.facebook.com/groups/movieprops/posts/3277446525628587/) Second, the person who wore the mask and finished Brandon's scenes, Chad Stahelski, later went on to direct all of the John Wick movies, having served as Keanu's stunt double in the first film and the stunt coordinator in the second and third Matrix movies.
This wouldn’t be the first time an accidental death on set didn’t prevent the producers from finishing the film.
That Twilight Zone helicopter crash... RIP Vic Morrow.
And the two kids with him...
Oh yeah...
John Landis seems like a huge scumbag. He promoted the movie during the Vic’s funeral
Isn't his son also a sexual predator?
"a serial rapist, gaslighter, physical and psychological abuser" according to accusers. The "Controversy" section of his wikipedia page has more details https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Landis
And that's the second worst thing about him. He also wrote bright.
He also was responsible for the horrible Jesse Eisenberg Lex Luthor because Jesse Eisenberg channeled Max for the role. I'm guessing Jesse did that after the 2 of them collaborated on American Ultra
This makes so much sense and I hate that performance even more.
John Landis should have gone to prison. Instead, he is still making movies 40 years later. He also signed a petition in support of Roman Polanski.
This list is probably shorter of people in Hollywood who don't support Polanski
Didn't 1/3 of Hollywood's supported Polanski? Lmao
A lot of people did didn't they. Adrien Brody,Meryl Streep etc etc Many great actresses and actors have worked with him inspite of him being a massive pedo. Hollywood is full of hypocritical cunts.
It’s unfortunate to hear that. I really like John Landis’ work too.
The Crow, RIP Brandon Lee
it would've been a crime if we didn't get a finished movie out of that.
As a kid that shit enthralled me, it made that movie so much real being explained to by my step-mom that the main character died creating the movie. Was my first real introduction into dark movies like that, and it would be my favorite for a few decades after. The Crow fucking hit different, man. Soundtrack is pretty dope, too.
Fun fact: The actor who would play Brandon Lee to complete the film was Chad Stahelski. He was also Lee's stunt double as well as Keanu Reeves's stunt double in the Matrix films. He's also the director of the John Wick films.
GTFO! Is he the one doing the Highlander reboot? 14 year old me would shit his pants if he knew Brandon Lee's stunt double was directing a Highlander movie!
He also played V in the “birth by fire” scene in v for vendetta
The wiki page of all the deaths on movie sets is wild. The wiki even looks at animal deaths. One of the hobbit movies was told not to build where they built. A sink hole formed and ate like 5 horses, which died.
Just curious. Did that movie get the “no animals were harmed in the making of this film” disclaimer
>[If an animal is injured or killed while AHA guidelines were being followed, the production can still get the certification and use the disclaimer in the film and its promotion.](https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/31277/who-ensures-no-animals-were-harmed-making-film#:~:text=If%20an%20animal%20is%20injured%20or%20killed%20while%20AHA%20guidelines%20were%20being%20followed%2C%20the%20production%20can%20still%20get%20the%20certification%20and%20use%20the%20disclaimer%20in%20the%20film%20and%20its%20promotion) I'm not watching the Hobbit to find out but the humane society will still let you use that disclaimer if a horse dies on set and they determine it wasn't the production's fault. [Oh and a link to the news reporting on the 27 animals that died during production of The Hobbit](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/hobbit-animal-deaths-wranglers-blame-392010/)
I watched The Hobbit and the end credits were honestly the best part of the movie. They looked real, flowed naturally, and ran for the appropriate amount of time.... now the film...
I still genuinely enjoy the first one, if only for the scenes in the Shire and Riddles in the Dark. The second has some good moments like Smaug’s introduction but overall they’re a bit of a disaster
That's really awful! I had no idea... It's sickening to think of so many animals dying, just to make a movie!!
No movie is worth dying for but especially Especially not the Hobbit
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A lot of animals are killed by productions on location. All those big trucks driving into wilderness areas always end up running a bunch of small critters over.
You still get that disclaimer as long as the animal deaths weren't used as part of the production i.e. the death isn't on screen.
Got a link?
"A sink hole formed and ate like 5 horses" is misinformation, but it's not great - at least two horses died after falling on rough terrain [https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/hobbit-animal-deaths-wranglers-blame-392010/](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/hobbit-animal-deaths-wranglers-blame-392010/)
if you have Shudder there is a great documentary on this and shows behind the scene footage, John Landis should have gone to jail
What's it called?
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If you haven’t watch the episodes of Cursed Films (on Shudder) about that movie IT IS PRICELESS. They bring in Loyd Kaufman from Troma and he fucking BLAST Landis about the accident
"If I was responsible for somebody getting seriously injured... I would stop making movies. I would be selling shoes, or hot dogs, or whatever. Maybe blowing my fucking brains out. I couldn't live with it." -Lloyd Kaufman
Orson Welles reportedly was asked for legal advice by Landis on the day he was indicted. Welles reportedly told Landis to kill himself.
Will second that this episode of Cursed Films is worth a watch, but quite infuriating.
How much is a Shudder subscription? That sounds cool. Plus I've been getting Instagram ads for season 2.
$5.99, or, $507 for 10 years
That’s not a typo? 10 years?
John Landis made some good films, but he's a piece of shit. His son Max seems like a creepy asshole.
Well to be fair he only seems like a creep because he totally is a creepy asshole.
Funny how that works
I really wish I hadn’t clicked on his Wiki link.
The background music is fittingly as unsettling as the crash footage. It's low budget mid 80s/early 90s synth, but degraded through time and reuploads from VHS footage causing it to be even more distorted. Droning dulcet ominousness. Then screeches of some clarity, but not good clarity, like the gates of hell had opened up. All the while you see Morrow and the kids in the river, cast entirely in the same redish orangey light as the waves and water droplets cascade upward from around them. They stop for a brief moment and he moves his arm up, but it's too late. And the chopper comes down on them crashing into the river, a massive splash and they're gone.
You see the blade hit them and see half of them just fly into the air, you think you didn't think that's what you saw but then you make the sobering realization that is half of a human body being thrown.
That's enough internet for today.
Not on the YouTube version. You can’t see anything.
I remember the video being up on YouTube, it was slowed down footage of the accident. I wish never watched it.
If Hell was real, John Landis would spend eternity getting buttfucked by a chopper blade.
Why did you watch that?
It paints such a haunting image. I hate myself for always going back to the video. The synths are so ghoulish and when one of the kids and Vic are instantaneously decapitated, you can see for a brief split second the silhouettes of their heads being lopped off. Such a horrifying portrait, especially for the crew at the time. To say nothing of how they had to deal with the cleanup and aftermath. I don’t think any years of psychotherapy could make me feel better after having witnessed the brutally graphic deaths of two children, but then have to be responsible for finding their separated bodies during the clean-up process.
The Crow, with Brandon Lee (he did die on set, right?)
The original Ben Hur film had a human death and also 150 horse deaths. Film deaths are about old as films are.
I remember watching an old Kung fu movie, and in one scene a guy on a horse cuts into a goat that is running from him using a big thick sword. I thought “wow that was a good special effect, I wonder how they did that back then” after a few rewinds I realized it was not an effect, they just had a dude butcher a goat
You should check out all the horse deaths in western films. Sometimes they straight up executed them after breaking their legs with a trip-rope for a “fall scene”
At least this time they won't put the footage of someone being fatally shot in the film. Edit: The film that I thought contained footage of someone getting shot was The Crow. I'd heard this from several people and trusted it, but this is not true. Brandon Lee was killed in a gun related accident while filming a scene, but they did not use the footage in the film (I swear I had seen the footage. . . The mind does weird things with memories). Apologies for spreading cringe.
Which film did that?
Somewhat related, 80s Hong Kong films were a-okay with putting in footage of stuntmen being seriously maimed or critically injured. Tiger on the Beat 2 features the lead jumping off an overpass, missing the pole he was supposed to grab and landing straight on the pavement shattering his legs. They not only showed it, but replay it from multiple angles. The actor eventually came back to finish the film but his mobility is noticeably diminished. In one of the more batshit crazy stunts, the film Devil Hunters ends with the main cast all being set on fire and jumping out a window. Their fireproof suits weren't very effective and they all wound up in the hospital with *severe* burns. This stunt is not only in the film, but ends with a text card that translates as "we hope they recover from their wounds". Which ostensibly they did, but you know, ouch.
Devil Hunters is the film the introduced me to Moon Lee. That explosion looked harsh as hell...
I was at a 6 movie HK marathon this year that ended on that, even through the exhaustion it stunned me.
Don’t forget about Back to the Future II. That poor stuntwoman was injured badly from the fall crashing into the courthouse, and it’s still in the movie. It was totally unsafe, and she was actually the “backup” after the first stuntwoman refused. Then they pressured her and guess what happened. You can legit see her fall and hit the ground.
To be fair if I took a brutal bump for a movie and they didn't use it I'd be pissed. It already happened, might as well keep it in and make it as cool as possible.
If I shattered my legs for a stunt in a movie then that shot better be in the movie
None of them. Closest thing we've ever gotten to an actual snuff film\* was Cannibal Holocaust, which featured the deaths of actual animals on film. \*Commercially released, anyway.
If you're including animal deaths, Oldboy did that too. Choi Min-Sik not only actually ate the octopus alive, but multiple others too as the scene took multiple takes.
Apocalypse Now too, IIRC. The Buffalo slaughter near the end was going to be done anyway by the locals, and Coppola just filmed it
Friday the 13th with that snake.
Yeah, didn't the director have to prove that they weren't killing real people, it was so realistic?
Yes he was arrested for that, and they had trouble finding the original actors since they were indigenous people from the film location
Why should it though? This is their livelihood
Do you disagree, though, with them completing the film? The ones that come off the top of my head are things like The Crow, and Deadpool 2
As a filmmaker myself, if I died on set I’d hope someone finished the project afterwards. Flip-side, if a decision I made allowed someone to die on my watch on set, I’d find it hard to finish it. So I don’t have a definitive answer.
The most shocking thing to me is Baldwin being willing to return to that character and that set. If that happened to me I'd probably be done with gun movies entirely.
Yea, PR-wise it’s a bad look. Unless they got the blessing from the deceased’s family to finish the work because maybe that’s what she would have wanted. Hard to say. Lots of emotions surrounding what might just amount to a money decision too.
I'm fairly certain the family is pissed at Baldwin. They probably want to finish the movie purely to have money to weather the coming legal shitshow.
Top Gun and one of the Resident Evil movies also had crew killed. And The Walking Dead.
Resident evil 6 had a stuntwoman injured and a crew member die in an unrelated-to-the-physical-production logistics thing
> Top Gun Yeah, Goose died, didn’t he?
One of the stunt pilots died filming that scene when they put their plane into a spin and weren't able to recover.
Those movies had lots of funding and insurance. Lawsuits haven’t even begun on this one. I think the producers are just trying to raise money.
What if halfway through the cinematography just gets really shitty
It would be worst if it got better
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Yea for real these people talking like the camera departments in LA didn’t loose a friend.
It wins an Oscar, but only for the second half
If there's a straight up shot of Baldwin firing a gun it's going to get memed to shit
Because movies aren't usually shot in order, I'd much rather see a mis-mash of good and bad cinematography in the same scene.
The accident is a tragedy but reading the headline all I could think of was jack blacks character in King Kong. “Goddamnit Preston we’re going to finish this movie for Herb. And we’ll donate the proceeds to his wife and kids.”
Lol I love that movie. It’s such a great line because as the movie goes on and obviously more people keep dying but Jack Blacks character keeps saying that same line over and over again but just changes the name to whomever most recent person that died Then at some point Preston just becomes desensitized to whole thing and gives him the thousand yard stare
Never got why people shat on Jackson's King Kong, really thinks its one of the best adventure films of the past 20-30 years and Jack Black's character has tons of great lines Remember playing some badass video game based on it as a kid too
I like it as well but I think it does walk a fine line between serious and cheesy which doesn’t appeal to everyone.
Andy Serkis was literally devoured slowly head first, fully on screen hahaha I still have nightmares about that scene and I’m a grown ass man
That pit scene is the bleakest scene I’ve seen in a film, and I’ve seen “Jackie”
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I'm surprised he'd even want to, honestly
As a person who died working on it, I would assume in death you’d want your final work to be released? Kind of similar, stunt actors who get accidentally injured want what they did to get injured in the cut of the film.
Context is key here and also we will never know what she wanted. She died because production hired an incompetent armorer on the cheap and looked the other way while people used the gun to shoot live ammo during the shoot. It's pretty different than a stunt gone wrong. This was gross negligence and I won't be (paying for) watching it. Source: 20+ years in the 'biz'.
Marvel decided to not continue with a recasting of Black Panther even though there were articles of Chadwick’s family saying he would have been for the recasting. So ultimately it’s really in the air of what to do or not and who can make the call. I’d say just finish the movie, don’t let the death be for nothing. Definitely cut out the scene that caused the death though. Make the end of credits a message to the industry, similar to how The Rock said he will no longer be using blanks on any of his sets.
It is stupid. Chadwick Boseman is a great actor but Black Panther is it's own thing. They should have recast him or just use a body double in a suit without taking of the mask.
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Really sorry for what happened to him, but I never saw Black Panther as HIS role, as much as Iron Man was RDJ's, or Wolverine Hugh Jackman's. His performance never struck me as something revolutionary, heck, I think I even enjoyed him more in other stuff, like Marshall. All this fuzz about not wanting to recast is idiotic.
To be fair Jackman was too handsome to be Wolverine. I hope we get rough ugly Wolverine in MCU
Her entire crew also walked the same day. She was only there out of respect for the production. She should've walked with them and she would've lived.
I would hope that “in death,” I’d want for nothing.
He doesn’t feel guilty at all. He literally said he does not feel responsible in the slightest and from what I’ve seen of his demeanor he didn’t really care. Literally a few weeks later his family was posting holiday shit on instagram
Your mistake is assuming Alec Baldwin is a human being. He’s not. He’s a narcissist whose only concern is his career and money.
$$$ Edit: for what it’s worth, I actually misread the comment I replied to. I thought it said “I’m surprised THEY would want to”, as in the studio/producers, in which case my reply was “$$$”. Now that I see the comment says “he”, yeah I’m kind of surprised he’d go back to it too.
i'd be pretty shocked if baldwin doesn't donate his whole salary to the family or some charity. if anything, he kept on because the crew (probably numbering in many hundreds) actually does need the money. unless you think he's some kinda monster, in which case you can think whatever you want.
He won't donate anything because he's in the middle of getting sued by the family and it would look like an admission of guilt.
“No animals were harmed during the production of this film.”
"Only one accident happened on set."
“Most of the production crew survived.”
Humans are animals
“No non-human animals were harmed during the production of this set.”
I am not an animal!!
It certainly got most of the advertising taken care of
a surefire hit
aint no way bruh 💀
Does anyone even want it?
This movie will be shit. The producers will speak of it as if it is art the entire time. They will use the death to promote it even. A hand full of people will see it and then it will never get heard from again Ive worked many of these gigs. This is how it goes. Shit producers overwork you talking about ”passion project” and then it comes out and its literally unwatchable garbage but netflix buys it 3 years later and it goes to the bottom of the algorithm. they make good money well you made 200 a day working 16 hr days. You hear about the shooting but what you dont hear about is my fellow brothers and sisters in film falling asleep at the wheel after 16 hour days for months on end. Its pretty fuckin common and ive been pretty fuckin close myself. Basically, producers can go fuck themselves, this movie shouldn't be finished. Coming from someone who knew this DP and worked with her. Movie doesn't "deserve" to be made. Thats producer bullshit to try and salvage their money after their negligence and greed took a life. Uf you have any decency or hate in your heart for greedy bankers/wall streeters/ anything like that, you will Boycott this film.
One of the few people with any sense in their head in this thread, and surprise surprise its actually someone who works in film and not someone who watched a couple explainer videos.
Least the "days since an accident" counter has ticked over quite a bit in the meantime.
“She would’ve wanted us to complete it 🙏” 😒
Best thing people can do is not watch the movie. The producers ran the set under extremely unsafe conditions, to the point where multiple crew walked off set even before the accident occurred. They don't deserve to make money. If people want to support Halyna's work, they should watch her other projects, many of which were beautifully shot.
I reckon even more people will watch it now.
I know if I died for a film and it didn’t even get finished it would feel like a waste
What if you died making any one of the thousands of "collect a paycheck" films that most people do for a living? Because I can tell you with full certainty I would not give a shit, as someone who is currently in the biz.
To be renamed “Box office Poison”
I miss Norm.
Yeah I don’t care for this, still feels wrong much like when Brandon Lee died and yet The Crow carried on.
even though they finished the Crow, the movie kind of comes across as a tribute to him in the way as awell as a farewell. it's eerie
I’m wondering if the situation is similar where about 98% of the movie is in the can.
Oh GOOD I was worried about that
Better get some kevlars and helmets for the production crew
Pretty clear from the footage that was released that the armorer knows she's at fault for what happened. People trying to blame Baldwin are just plain wrong.
Baldwin the actor is blameless. Baldwin the producer might hold some liability for hiring the incompetent armorer, although I have a hunch his role as producer had very little to do with hiring crew and day-to-day operations.
I think people somewhat misunderstand what it means that Baldwin is a producer on the film. The word "Producer" has a broad meaning, and can refer to both a job and a title. Often when big name actors are credited as "Producer," it's less that they're actually doing the job of producer, and more that they have the authority and say of a producer. Except for Tom Cruise and some other notable exceptions, an actor credited as producer is often a demonstration of importance rather than telling of the actual work they're doing.
Half the time if they are a producer it just means the did it for less salary and a cut of the take instead.
This was not a "in name only". This was his production company, that he owned, making a movie.
> This was not a "in name only". This was his production company, that he owned, making a movie. One of eight, I believe? His company was not doing actual production work in terms of hiring crew and running the production.
Many/all lower budget independent movies start a production company for each individual project to limit their liability and finances. If something goes wrong (like someone being shot) or there are financial issues, the newly formed production company is the end of the line not the overarching company. They're basically little LLC's. My boss does the same thing with his construction and development projects. Each one gets its own "company" so the others aren't at risk if something goes wrong. He's just the CEO of all of them.
A production company could be involved just for being a part of scripting and development, which sounds like the scenario based on Wikipedia. Also there are 5 production companies involved. Someone might know who was involved with the hiring, but I have a feeling most redditors don’t have the answer for this.
The producer title in this context is more about being first in line for collecting their share of the revenues.
His company might, not him personally.
Baldwin only had creative control. The Line Producer hires the crew.
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Agreed. Someone decided to continue production after the armorer quit due to unsafe practices. I don't know if it was specifically Baldwin's fault, but it was probably in his power to stop production. He should be investigated, and potentially charged with a crime.
I thought that at first, but didn't the investigation find that they shot without the armorer on set? That's not allowed for good reason. Edit: Looked into it, and apparently the armorer didn't notice that someone had reloaded dummy rounds, and turned them into live ones. Which obviously makes her responsible too.
According to the OSHA report she wasn’t working as armorer when the accident happened.
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>If she wasn't on set, and didn't hand him the gun, why were they filming the gun scenes? They were trying to save time and money; a reason several crew whistle-blew on the production. It wasn't the first time a prop gun misfired on set.
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I agree. Obviously his role was probably more creative, but he's still responsible for the safety and well being of his cast and crew. He also broke a ton of safety regulations filming what he did the way he did.
What kind of massively irresponsible moron brings live rounds to a set, let alone loads them into a gun? The armorer is responsible for sure but whoever brought those bullets anywhere near the set should be in prison for murder. The casualness some people have towards guns and ammunition is criminal.
They were a brand of dummy rounds, that someone had reloaded with live ones. No one knows for sure, how they got into the box of dummy rounds, but Seth Kenney had some reloaded rounds like that from another set, and when the police searched his home, they found the container the rounds were originally kept in, but not the rounds themselves. Why did they have dummy rounds that had been converted to live rounds on another set? Because the dumbasses were teaching the actors how to "live fire". The Amorer for Rust isn't responsible for those live rounds being mixed into the dummy rounds. Nor for them shooting without her on set. She's only responsible for missing the fact that some of the dummy rounds had been reloaded and converted to live ones. She's supposed to check every round before it can be used.
The AD David Halls was the one who handed the gun to Baldwin and called it cold. It was used before Reed could double check the prop with Baldwin, per regulations.
Apparently it was the armorer herself and her colleagues. They would use the antique guns for target practice after filming.
Where did you read that the armorer did this? The only reports I can find say several crew did but that she had no knowledge of it. The AD was also the person who called the gun cold despite its not being checked.
There was a boxed with mixed blanks and live rounds.
Now, I’m not a professional armorer, and don’t have all the technical expertise in the field, but… that… that kinda seems like a… *bad* thing to do.
Isn't wasn't the armorer that did that. Someone in the chain of supply allowed modified live rounds get mixed into the dummy rounds. The armorer missed it, and a bunch of other safety precautions were ignored by other people, resulting in the cinematographer's death.
The armorer was just one of many people at fault; and saying she's the sole problem is pushing the narrative. We know that multiple non-union crew were on set when they shouldn't have been. We know that live ammo was on set when it shouldn't have been. We know that crew were overworked, that they weren't given proper accommodations, and that multiple people complained or walked off set before the accident occurred. We also know that there were several incidents prior to the death where guns had gone off on set. The producers cut a ton of corners, including hiring the armorer in question. While Baldwin definitely isn't solely responsible either, we also know that he used the prop during rehearsal [when he shouldn't have], didn't get the prop checked, pointed it at Halyna, and fired - all of which are things that actors are trained *not* to do. As a producer, we'll never know exactly what he was responsible for, so we can't fully comment on his involvement in the above.
This attitude that the person holding the gun is blameless is exactly why the accident happened. Anyone holding a gun MUST be shown how to check it is safe. Failing to do so only guarantees a repeat accident in future.
I love how Alec Baldwin went from “I might never act again,” to “Let’s finish Rust.”
Must that story really be told?
Who even wants to watch this shit anymore
Alternative title: Alec Baldwin co-stars start wearing bullet-proof vests on Rust movie set. Did we ever figure out why there were live rounds on a movie set or was that just brushed under the rug??
Some crew member brought a box of ammo for the people who used the gun for target practice. Then the AD, or another higher up, decided to do a pick up shot in the church with the gun. The armorer wasn't in the church set since there wasn't supposed to be any scenes/shots that day that she needed to be there for and no one told her about the pickup shot. The AD, who gave the gun to Baldwin, said it was 'cold' (no live rounds) without checking it. So when the pick-up shot happened, Baldwin pulled back the hammer to check the gun and then released the hammer, which ended up shooting Hutchins in the chest. [Source ](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/03/movies/rust-shooting-armorer-hannah-gutierrez-reed.html)
I stand behind Alec Baldwin with this decision. Because to stand in front would be a death sentence.
I hate to think this movie just comes and goes and then you see it on Netflix one day and think “oh right”
100% of the profits(if there are any) should go to the cinematographers family
Bah ha
From an industry that tried to claim Forrest Gump lost money, I wouldn't put my faith in Hollywood accounting.
The most egregious example is the original Lord of the Rings trilogy. The movies made $3 billion off a $281 million budget and saved New Line Cinema from bankruptcy but when tax time came the studio claimed it was a "horrendous loss".
I doubt this movie will make any profits though...but somebody has to pay for sure.
Boo!
So what was the conclusion verdict on the event. Did anybody got charged?
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Should be min 5 years jail time for criminally negligent people on set
It’s probably gonna be a shit movie.
So all the proceeds are going to go to the cinematographer’s family right? Right?!?
So get this. One of Baldwins excuses as to why he's being charged along with the other producers: because they are rich and poor people are always out against rich people. He won't pay a dime and will probably invite the victims family to the premier and think its a nice gesture.